Why is everyone so eager to move on?

[zozman]

As I have been reading hundreds of posts in these forums I cant help but see a widely common and extremely popular trend. That trend being the eagerness of us to move on to the future and leave the present with the past behind us. What I mean by moving on is the inability to fully enjoy what we have now before it is gone. We never take a moment to appreciate what we have in the WWE. Why is everyone so eager to reach the days when there is no more Mr.Mcmahon, HHH, HBK, DX, Undertaker, Batista, Jericho, Edge and other wrestlers who are not likely to be around near the end of this decade. Don't we always look back at the days of The Rock,SCSA and the attitude era and pray that we could go back in time to enjoy these times again? Don't you think that we will look back at our present time in the future and hope we could have these superstars back for one more night? Of course the future is not to be neglected but neither is the dying present.

After all my rambling I want you to take a moment to look at what you have right now and remember that you could lose it within years or mere months.So, in conclusion my questions:
1-Why can't we enjoy WWE (in its current form) right now while it lasts?
2-Will we ever look back at this era and hope we could have it back?
3-Do you think you are living the present to its fullest extent?

 

[Junior]

im all for the remembering the past, thats one reason why i have been watching TNA more then raw ever since it moved to mondays....im 22 and i grew up with nwo wolfpac and original ECW attitude era...so watching TNA and seeing team 3d and wolfpac sting and watcing wrestling where there a chance of blood adn them saying bitch n ass on tv is alot more exciting then this pg crap wwe has going on. lately i have been watching old scsa and rock videos from back in the attitude era and makes me miss it and seeing tna now makes wrestling exciting again altho hogan n flair should not be wrestling anymore lol but i say dont get rid of dx n mcmahon n wolfpac n all the old guys if they still draw then let em go!

 

[TheLegendKiller777]

i could not agree more im so sick and tired of seeing people talk about elevating a star or bull shit like thats its so anoying, ok so we do that then they bitch about elevating someone else, in case they havent realized noone asked for stone cold or the the rock to be elevated and i just really cant take it everyone makes me want to puke, everyone thinks they know whats best but they dont, anywyas im enjoyin the build up to mania like i did when i was a kid again as it will probably be the last time i get to do so as hbk is my favourite and always has been and this will probably be the last time i get to share a big match situation with him anxious nervous and excited s im goin to enjoy it

 

[zozman]

im all for the remembering the past, thats one reason why i have been watching TNA more then raw ever since it moved to mondays....im 22 and i grew up with nwo wolfpac and original ECW attitude era...so watching TNA and seeing team 3d and wolfpac sting and watcing wrestling where there a chance of blood adn them saying bitch n ass on tv is alot more exciting then this pg crap wwe has going on. lately i have been watching old scsa and rock videos from back in the attitude era and makes me miss it and seeing tna now makes wrestling exciting again altho hogan n flair should not be wrestling anymore lol but i say dont get rid of dx n mcmahon n wolfpac n all the old guys if they still draw then let em go!

Ok I agree with you for the most part except for the pg part which is kind of not affecting the product anymore as in the last raw we had blood and we had hell yeah and woop ass. Furthermore you said that you dont want mcmahon and DX to go away, they are here now so watch em before that's no longer an option and you have to check out 2010 episodes of RAW in 2015 to see what you missed because of a pg rating.

 

[zozman]

i could not agree more im so sick and tired of seeing people talk about elevating a star or bull shit like thats its so anoying, ok so we do that then they bitch about elevating someone else, in case they havent realized noone asked for stone cold or the the rock to be elevated and i just really cant take it everyone makes me want to puke, everyone thinks they know whats best but they dont, anywyas im enjoyin the build up to mania like i did when i was a kid again as it will probably be the last time i get to do so as hbk is my favourite and always has been and this will probably be the last time i get to share a big match situation with him anxious nervous and excited s im goin to enjoy it

Good for you enjoy it while it lasts. Always be positive. The future is important so don't get annoyed because everyone wants to make sure that when the old wrestlers move on there will be cover. But the key is to enjoy the present as yo clearly are.

 

[Tyler44]

Just to let you know, about 2 years after Triple H is gone, everyone who bitches about him now will be the ones begging for a return.

And since I have already thought about this so many times, I'm going to answer number 2 and say 100% fully I will never look back at the WWE PG era and want to have it back. It's hard to watch WWE now and I rarely do, so no I will never look back at this era and say I wish we could go back.

 

[Marko Markovic]

People generaly enjoy the curent product whether it is WWE or TNA.The problem with IWC is that most of us dont want HHH,HBK,Undertaker and the rest to retire as much as we want them to create some new star or somebody we apreciate to be push

I guess answer to you question is that most people enjoy product but can you blaim us to think that the product can be better?In attitude era people didnt nag about product because it was awesome and they didnt wanted 80s back.We today do nag abou present and glorify attitude era.It was golden era to wrestling and it probably never will be again like that.I guess in like 10 years we would talk about today and remember todays stars and probably ask the same questions we ask now about attitude era and by that time new people will be on the forum and we would argue with them why Edge is better than Cena(you know couse todays kids will be growing up by then)

 

[shockman]

I couldn't agree more with you zozman.

I too have noticed this popular trend, and, admittedly, i have found myself starting to think towards the future too. But in doing this I have not been embracing the present circumstances, and enjoying the current state of the WWE.

I am 22 and started watching during 1999, thought i was so hooked that i also watched all the wrestling i could, dating back to around the first Wrestlemania. and though i noticed it was different from the wrestling i was watching in the present, i still enjoyed it as i seen it as an evolution of the business.

It wasn't untill recently that i noticed some simularities between the WWE in the PG rating and the WWF i watched from the late eighties/early ninties. And I realised that its just another stage of evolution of the business. Although i am eager and interested to see what the future will bring us in the WWE, I'm also currently enjoying being part of this continuing evolution of the wrestling company that has grown up with me.

 

[wbuqed]

its an interesting question u being up zozman. Personally I find myself more interested in watching old WWF on jtv because I like to understand how a wrestler got from where they were to where they are. I mean understanding the evolution (no pun) of careers like HHH, HBK, the Rock, etc is pretty deep. Having said that I'm not looking past what's going on right now and looking into the future all the time, and when I do think of it it's not with a smile.

 

[beso mi culo]

Personally, I'm not eager to move-on from the current WWE product. However, I am eager to move-on from the current TNA product. I've been watching since around '94 and all I want is to be entertained and not watch a ton of washed up, past their prime, or even senior citizens wrestle. That being said, I do feel that someone like the Undertaker who has had one or both of his hips replaced and can barely work a match like he used to, should retire from the ring. It not entertaining. All he is in today's WWE is his entrance and then his finishers, everything in-between feels like I have scissors in my eyes (just like when I watch TNA). I will admit that the PG rating is killing the WWE however it is definately more entertaining to me than any of the alternatives no matter who is wrestling.

 

[mdaldridge78]

I have been a wrestling fan since I was little kid. I'm 32 now and I will always be looking back at the past ara's. I first started watching wrestling back the WWE was the WWF. Watching all the hall of famers(and future ones) will always be memorable to see over and over again. I switched to the WCW when the WWE(WWF)went attitude ara. Why you ask? I didn't care for the language or sexual situations. I watched WCW until it went off the air. I then switched back to the WWE.
You see, there is no need for wrestling to have a tone of language. Maybe a little bit here and there,but that's it. I do wish the WWE would allow some blood again. I'm ok with the PG ara. Now, it will get to tame when Vince decides to quit using weapens all together. He's already stoped chair shots to the head, what next no more using a title belt to head?

My point is this, if you care about the wrestlers entertianing you now, then you better start watching more. Why? because someone might just drop dead. Let's just say you don't care about the PG ara, and one of the top superstars like John Morrison was to have passed away. Would you look back and watch matches he was in again? Or would you just say, forget him and move on.

Take the time and enjoy the WWE and TNA while you still have the current stars or ara's right now. I even watch TNA every once awile. Why? So I could see wrestlers like, Sting, Hogan, Flair, Nash, Hall, RVD and more. TNA Reminds me of WCW. But, I'm sorry to say I watch WWE.

Thank you!

 

[markmeout]

To be honest I do enjoy the current product but I don't love love it. Wrestling has its downpoints anyone that looks at the past will know this. Is anyone looking at 93/94/95 and wanting that era back, I don't think so. I think you are getting in such a defense that the current product isnt that bad and thats understandable. But you can't put it in a class with all the greatest wrestling has ever produced. I do think guys like jericho, edge, and cena are worthwile of being admired and be realistic you do need to groom people because the 40 plus year olds don't have that much more left in them. Mysterio has 2 or 3 years left, batista the same, hbk has 4 at the most, taker should already be retired due to all his injuries and the fact his health isn't that good, hhh has less then five years left in him. I'm all for keeping these guys at the top but in 5 years the industry will be shit because who is left to be the top dogs, just cena and orton and punk and jeff hardy and aj styles. Five men will be left over 2 companies that are currently main event tallent I think you need to appreciate the past but you still need to prepare for a future since not all good things last forever. I will create a list to prove it



main eventers
big show (38)
cena (32)
orton (29)
hbk (44)
hhh(40)
batista (41)
jericho (39)
punk (27)
edge (36)(often injured which adds on at least 5 years to his age to equal somewhere in his 40's)
mysterio (35 and a spot monkey)
taker (44)
aj styles (31)
JEFF HARDY (32 but we all know his body is far older then this due to all the abuse)jeff jaret (42)
angle (41)
mick folley (44)
sting (51)

upper mid card
christan (36)
kofi (possibly not anymore but at one time)(28)
miz (29)sheamus (32)ted diabiasse jr (27)
cody rhodes (24)
drew mcentye (? since he might be out of money and the bank)(24)
morrison (30)
r truth (38)
kane (42)ziggler (29) (only if he wins money and the bank and right now hes the only one other then christan getting a build to win it)matt hardy (35)
samoa joe (32)
mr anderson (34)
matt morgan (33)
hernandez (37)
abyss (35)
desmond wolfe (32)
eric young (30)
pope (31)


green means in the prime of their career in 5 years
purple means finishing up in 5 years close to retiring or quite possible retired also accounting for ones high risk style
red means retired at this time in 5 years

Now that you see the futue of this buisness really is questionable. In five years who will be left. Two thirds of the upper mid guys i listed will stay mid card or be out of the company by retirement or being fired. Now lets be realistic about the main event im curious who you think will still be around in 4 years. You need to account for injuries as well you also need to account for a guy like cena leaving for movies early. While it is great to appreciate the past but to be realistic a fued of HHH vs HBK for a title will be great but will do nothing for the future and will hurt more then it will help. As much as I respect your opinion to appreciate the present and don't push for the future I need to disagree because what will the future be if no new guys are pushed, I am currious who you think will be around in to main event in five years if nothing changes, please tell me I'm curious because right now if more of the upper mid card makes the main event things will look better in the near future. Notice how TNA is in major trouble with its main eventers aged like crypt keepers and the upper mid card is all over 30 and all have dangerous career threatning styles.

 

[zozman]

To be honest I do enjoy the current product but I don't love love it. Wrestling has its downpoints anyone that looks at the past will know this. Is anyone looking at 93/94/95 and wanting that era back, I don't think so. I think you are getting in such a defense that the current product isnt that bad and thats understandable. But you can't put it in a class with all the greatest wrestling has ever produced. I do think guys like jericho, edge, and cena are worthwile of being admired and be realistic you do need to groom people because the 40 plus year olds don't have that much more left in them. Mysterio has 2 or 3 years left, batista the same, hbk has 4 at the most, taker should already be retired due to all his injuries and the fact his health isn't that good, hhh has less then five years left in him. I'm all for keeping these guys at the top but in 5 years the industry will be shit because who is left to be the top dogs, just cena and orton and punk and jeff hardy and aj styles. Five men will be left over 2 companies that are currently main event tallent I think you need to appreciate the past but you still need to prepare for a future since not all good things last forever. I will create a list to prove it



main eventers
big show (38)
cena (32)
orton (29)
hbk (44)
hhh(40)
batista (41)
jericho (39)
punk (27)
edge (36)(often injured which adds on at least 5 years to his age to equal somewhere in his 40's)
mysterio (35 and a spot monkey)
taker (44)
aj styles (31)
JEFF HARDY (32 but we all know his body is far older then this due to all the abuse)jeff jaret (42)
angle (41)
mick folley (44)
sting (51)

upper mid card
christan (36)
kofi (possibly not anymore but at one time)(28)
miz (29)sheamus (32)ted diabiasse jr (27)
cody rhodes (24)
drew mcentye (? since he might be out of money and the bank)(24)
morrison (30)
r truth (38)
kane (42)ziggler (29) (only if he wins money and the bank and right now hes the only one other then christan getting a build to win it)matt hardy (35)
samoa joe (32)
mr anderson (34)
matt morgan (33)
hernandez (37)
abyss (35)
desmond wolfe (32)
eric young (30)
pope (31)


green means in the prime of their career in 5 years
purple means finishing up in 5 years close to retiring or quite possible retired also accounting for ones high risk style
red means retired at this time in 5 years

Now that you see the futue of this buisness really is questionable. In five years who will be left. Two thirds of the upper mid guys i listed will stay mid card or be out of the company by retirement or being fired. Now lets be realistic about the main event im curious who you think will still be around in 4 years. You need to account for injuries as well you also need to account for a guy like cena leaving for movies early. While it is great to appreciate the past but to be realistic a fued of HHH vs HBK for a title will be great but will do nothing for the future and will hurt more then it will help. As much as I respect your opinion to appreciate the present and don't push for the future I need to disagree because what will the future be if no new guys are pushed, I am currious who you think will be around in to main event in five years if nothing changes, please tell me I'm curious because right now if more of the upper mid card makes the main event things will look better in the near future. Notice how TNA is in major trouble with its main eventers aged like crypt keepers and the upper mid card is all over 30 and all have dangerous career threatning styles.

You are right all of these great wrestlers (red colored ones) will probably not be on TV after 5 years, maybe less. That's why we have to enjoy the present product as much as we can so that when they are gone we won't be extremely sad that we didn't enjoy them to the fullest extent when they were competing.

As for the future I also agree with you it should of course be built up but that's not for us to worry about, that's for the two companies to take care of. We shouldn't always be only looking towards the future. That's why I said it is not to be neglected but not to be valued higher than the present either.

 

[Suneeboy]

Moving on doesn’t mean getting rid of the current roster, and pushing the young guys to carry the company. The constant “complaining” about moving on refers to the staleness of professional wrestling as a whole, and we need something fresh. We don’t necessarily know how to make that fresh, so we throw ideas around on forums as the end user to the wrestling product.

One of the most popular ideas as of late is to get rid of the old guys, because they are all we know, since we are basically for the most part products of the same era, and the top guys then, are more or less the tops guys now…..STILL.

When we started watching wrestling, we saw a cleansing of the main event scene. We saw Stone Cold, The Rock, Jericho, Edge, HHH, Angle, Lesnar, Benoit, and so many others climb the mountain from obscurity to one of the faces of the business. We saw the end of Hogan, Flair, Macho Man, Ultimate Warrior, Sid, Bret Hart, Yokozuna, Lex Luger, and so on. We haven’t seen that yet, because the main eventers of yesterday are still running the show.

We no longer have the underdog struggle, and phenomenal climb to the top. Yeah Cena, Batista, Orton, and Punk have come into their own, but in the age of World Title hot potato, they have failed to keep those characters fresh for extended periods of time. This in turn causes us to want something completely different.

Everyone is eager to move on because they love wrestling, and they feel that they aren’t getting a full serving of entertainment with today’s wrestling product….and you can’t blame them. We are approaching an era in pro wrestling where the torch must get passed and/or some fresh legs get thrown into the mix, or a lot of people will start getting hurt (literally) due to them not being able to keep up. They are starting to do this now, but some feel like its taken too long for us to get here as the product has been stale for a couple of years now.

 

[Blade]

It's pretty simple. Firstly, wrestling fans these have the attention spans of 6 year old kids on sugar rushes. Then cannot keep their eyes on one thing for very long without getting bored with it, without letting their mind wander. So naturally they're just going to keep hoping for the future. If the fans booked WWE, we'd have a new first time world champion every other month, it's pretty simple. The vast majority of the IWC love their flavours of the month. It just comes down to a short attention span.

And secondly, why people bitch about the current era of wrestling is pretty obvious. It's just because older generations who grew up in older areas will bitch about newer generations in their newer era. It's not just wrestling, it's in music and movies and pretty much everything else you can think of. People who grew up in the Hogan era hated the New Gen era because they were all so small and most people found the likes of Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon etc boring compared to their Hulk Hogans and Roddy Pipers and Randy Savages. People who grew up with the New Gen hated the attitude era because it was so smutty and didn't display technical wrestling as much as they liked. People who grew up with the attitude era hated the post attitude era from 2002-2008 because... Well, because they were used to crazy angles and top guys who swore and beat up their bosses all the time. And rest assured kids who are growing up with the PG era will hate the next era.

Basically, 90% of people who grew up with past eras pretty much hate the current one. That other 10%... Well, we're not blinded by the past and we can see what's good about the current era rather than being pessimistic and cynical.

 

[Jeffingb3oh3]

I think this is a really good topic. It got me thinking, and I couldn't agree with you more, zozbro. The way that WWE is now, with PG makes it really hard to even consider them the big dogs, anymore. Although, the superstars that WWE still has, is the reason why I tune in to watch Raw every monday night, and Smackdown every Friday night. After, all of the legends from this generation retire, we are all going to remember them for what they stood for, and what they truly meant to the wrestling business. Sure, I like seeing the new wrestlers of tomorrow's era being pushed, and getting the proper spotlight, but at the end of the day, those wrestlers wouldn't be here, if stars like Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, and Chris Jericho hadn't paved the way for them in the first place.