Why do ROH fans hate TNA so much?

[Chicago1989]

Well ROH has all the right in the world to hate TNA for that, but would they pass up an opportunity to have a world known wrestler on their roster? They can hate TNA all they want but the facts remain -- if you landed a big TV deal you BETTER do anything in your power to make your product have a little something for everybody. That's why ECW failed. They never went to the next level, whereas TNA has. ROH will be forced to sign other names, change their product and turn it into a shell of what it used to be, because while there are a lot of fans like me who enjoy that type of programming, the rest of the wrestling world was never used to it, and as every idiot does -- they ridicule the unknown because they're too used to WWE styles and they pander to the idea that if WWE's not doing it it's automatically shit.

Personally, I'd love it if the two companies worked together in a way. Fuck the hating, it could be beneficial for both. OR at least if ROH got a TV deal. To be honest, we won't have Monday Night Wars - TNA vs WWE style in the next five years. TNA's only 8 years old, NO company gets that big that quickly. But they're still tiny compared to WWE. We won't get Monday Night Wars, but we COULD get Thursday Night Wars. ROH vs TNA. I'm a firm believer that these two companies have the best wrestlers in the world, they have all the tools to "make it". My personal dream is a ROH vs TNA war at any day of the week. It could attract people's attention and competition's always good, even though they have that already with WWE.

I suppose ROH wouldn't pass up on signing a world-known wrestler, but you don't see them hiring every former WWE star that's gotten released like TNA has. I'm pretty sure they learn from TNA's decisions and are smart enough to only sign the free agents that can work, which I mean WRESTLE.

As far as ROH changing the direction of the company on a big network, at this day and age, yes you would have to change the direction of the company but not to the point where it has sold out to it's fans. You call getting rid of the X-Division "taking it to the next level"?.

People want to see more wrestling again; Sports-Entertainment has gotten stale. If ROH had a big TV deal, they would start a revolution and make a much-needed change in the wrestling business. MMA is what Boxing used to be: A successful, legitimate, competitive combat sport, while Wrestling is still over-the-top, cartoony, and soap opera after all these years. WRESTLING is making a comeback!

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I suppose ROH wouldn't pass up on signing a world-known wrestler, but you don't see them hiring every former WWE star that's gotten released like TNA has. I'm pretty sure they learn from TNA's decisions and are smart enough to only sign the free agents that can work, which I mean WRESTLE.

Mr.Anderson, Jeff Hardy, Elijah Burke, Tara, Mickie James, Kurt Angle the list goes on. The only people who can't wrestle full-time are Flair and Foley. Hogan and Bischoff hold management positions and they're clearly helping the company.

ROH doesn't sign ex-WWE guys because TNA gets them first and makes something out of them. The only way for ROH to get ex-WWE guys is for them to CHOOSE to go there. It's not like ROH told Anderson "yeah we don't want you". If Anderson wanted ROH, ROH would take him. Trust me, once ROH gets a TV deal, and that'll be soon I hope, you'll see them go through the same stuff TNA goes. The ROH you know will NOT work on TV. They'll have to change it, they'll need big names, they'll need to hire ex-WWE guys ( the good ones ) because they're the most known wrestlers on the planet and it gives your company credibility. AJ Styles is the best wrestler in the world, but not many people know of him. TNA would NEVER make it without the Hogans, Bischoffs, Hardys, Andersons and Angles. It's just how it is.

Even McMahon signed big stars back in the day. Flair didn't start in WWF did he? HBK and Janetty didn't either. It's just how the business works. It's like a team. If there's a good player out there and he's a free agent, you'd be an idiot not to sign him.

People want to see more wrestling again; Sports-Entertainment has gotten stale. If ROH had a big TV deal, they would start a revolution and make a much-needed change in the wrestling business. MMA is what Boxing used to be: A successful, legitimate, competitive combat sport, while Wrestling is still over-the-top, cartoony, and soap opera after all these years. WRESTLING is making a comeback!

Bullshit. Biggest load of crap I've read on these forums. Saying that people want more WRESTLING now is like saying that people want more HARDCORE MATCHES back when ECW was in their prime. TNA did a LOT of wrestling, did it better than ROH ever could, and it never got them anywhere. I think that people don't want to see more wrestling, they just want a well done product with interesting storylines, compelling characters, and good wrestling. That's it. It's that simple. Wrestling IS a soap opera whether you like it or not. It's always been that way, and it works every time [ when done right ]. There's a reason why ROH doesn't have a TV deal. There's a reason why ECW never ammounted to anything. And there's also a reason why TNA has 3 hours of programming every Thursday and continiously gets bigger. They're not all about the wrestling - they're having a little bit of everything and trying to mix it into one. WWE is all about the entertainment and they neglect the wrestling. ROH is all about the wrestling and they neglect the entertainment. TNA is both.

 

[Uncle Chester]

Mr.Anderson, Jeff Hardy, Elijah Burke, Tara, Mickie James, Kurt Angle the list goes on. The only people who can't wrestle full-time are Flair and Foley. Hogan and Bischoff hold management positions and they're clearly helping the company.

Jut to address this point, the standard of ROH wrestling quality is much higher TNA. It's just how it is, different styles, different purpose. ROH fans have higher standards which they hold ROH accountable for. Anderson, Hardy, Burke and many others TNA have signed are good but not a level that ROH fans deem it necessary to be a major player. If you look at someone like a Haas or Benjamin, they're considered by many a great tag team that can hold their own against the standard ROH fans but a Mr. Anderson or Hardy? Probably not.

 

[Chicago1989]

Mr.Anderson, Jeff Hardy, Elijah Burke, Tara, Mickie James, Kurt Angle the list goes on. The only people who can't wrestle full-time are Flair and Foley. Hogan and Bischoff hold management positions and they're clearly helping the company.

ROH doesn't sign ex-WWE guys because TNA gets them first and makes something out of them. The only way for ROH to get ex-WWE guys is for them to CHOOSE to go there. It's not like ROH told Anderson "yeah we don't want you". If Anderson wanted ROH, ROH would take him. Trust me, once ROH gets a TV deal, and that'll be soon I hope, you'll see them go through the same stuff TNA goes. The ROH you know will NOT work on TV. They'll have to change it, they'll need big names, they'll need to hire ex-WWE guys ( the good ones ) because they're the most known wrestlers on the planet and it gives your company credibility. AJ Styles is the best wrestler in the world, but not many people know of him. TNA would NEVER make it without the Hogans, Bischoffs, Hardys, Andersons and Angles. It's just how it is.

Even McMahon signed big stars back in the day. Flair didn't start in WWF did he? HBK and Janetty didn't either. It's just how the business works. It's like a team. If there's a good player out there and he's a free agent, you'd be an idiot not to sign him.



Bullshit. Biggest load of crap I've read on these forums. Saying that people want more WRESTLING now is like saying that people want more HARDCORE MATCHES back when ECW was in their prime. TNA did a LOT of wrestling, did it better than ROH ever could, and it never got them anywhere. I think that people don't want to see more wrestling, they just want a well done product with interesting storylines, compelling characters, and good wrestling. That's it. It's that simple. Wrestling IS a soap opera whether you like it or not. It's always been that way, and it works every time [ when done right ]. There's a reason why ROH doesn't have a TV deal. There's a reason why ECW never ammounted to anything. And there's also a reason why TNA has 3 hours of programming every Thursday and continiously gets bigger. They're not all about the wrestling - they're having a little bit of everything and trying to mix it into one. WWE is all about the entertainment and they neglect the wrestling. ROH is all about the wrestling and they neglect the entertainment. TNA is both.

TNA signs former WWE talent so they can rub it on Vince's face. That's all it is. Anyone who became a former WWE Champion is instantly a World Champion in TNA. Their doing what WCW used to do: recycle former WWE wrestlers on their show just to get a hard-on against the WWE. You just don't see it. You buy into anything TNA does which makes you a sheep.

Sports-Entertainment ratings have gone down over the years for a reason: People are tired of watching soap opera. Guys like Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff made fans like you to say: "A viagra on a pole match is better than anything ROH does...". Give me a break...

And when ROH gets a big TV deal, they don't need to be another TNA or WWE. They'll draw on whatever the fans have been hungry for and that's more wrestling. I heard there was about 30-45 minutes of talking and no wrestling on 2-hour show for the past few weeks. Balance? You do the math.

TNA: Total Nonstop Action? Hell no!
TNA: Talking, No Action? Thank you, Mark Madden.

 

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

I personally am a Fan of Both ROH and TNA. I enjoy the ROH product for It is and consistently gives Good wrestling matches each week so I don't hate ROH I enjoy the product and I don't hate TNA either. I enjoy both products.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

TNA signs former WWE talent so they can rub it on Vince's face. That's all it is. Anyone who became a former WWE Champion is instantly a World Champion in TNA. Their doing what WCW used to do: recycle former WWE wrestlers on their show just to get a hard-on against the WWE. You just don't see it. You buy into anything TNA does which makes you a sheep.

Sports-Entertainment ratings have gone down over the years for a reason: People are tired of watching soap opera. Guys like Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff made fans like you to say: "A viagra on a pole match is better than anything ROH does...". Give me a break...

And when ROH gets a big TV deal, they don't need to be another TNA or WWE. They'll draw on whatever the fans have been hungry for and that's more wrestling. I heard there was about 30-45 minutes of talking and no wrestling on 2-hour show for the past few weeks. Balance? You do the math.

TNA: Total Nonstop Action? Hell no!
TNA: Talking, No Action? Thank you, Mark Madden.

If people were so DAMN fed up with "Sports Entertainment" and just wanted to watch plain old wrestling -- how come ROH has no TV deal? How come ROH makes no money? How come ROH is just a glorified indy company? You'd figure that if the demand for good old wrestling was so good, people would look it up, watch it and DEMAND it on their TV.

Explain why ROH is not a successfull, prosperous company with tons of potential of making it huge. They have good wrestlers, I love a good portion of their guys and I enjoy the wrestling, but being one-dimensional will NEVER get any company anywhere. So why is ROH in the gutter? Because of sheep like me, or sheep like you?

 

[Chicago1989]

If people were so DAMN fed up with "Sports Entertainment" and just wanted to watch plain old wrestling -- how come ROH has no TV deal? How come ROH makes no money? How come ROH is just a glorified indy company? You'd figure that if the demand for good old wrestling was so good, people would look it up, watch it and DEMAND it on their TV.

Explain why ROH is not a successfull, prosperous company with tons of potential of making it huge. They have good wrestlers, I love a good portion of their guys and I enjoy the wrestling, but being one-dimensional will NEVER get any company anywhere. So why is ROH in the gutter? Because of sheep like me, or sheep like you?

Oh Jesus Christ!...

ROH DOES NOT have the financial backing like TNA has. Of course that's how TNA signs all these former WWE talents by overpaying them and having good production. They shoot for the moon and crash most of the time. ROH has been selling out on their biggest house shows and iPPV's; How is that they don't make any money from that?. And ROH being a "glorified Indy promotion"? Man, Bischoff's got you like a brainwashed sex slave. First of all, they produce the best matches anywhere with the best talent. You're saying Davey Richards Vs. Tyler Black is Indy? or The Kings of Wrestling Vs. Haas & Benjamin is Indy? When was the last time TNA got you talking about an awesome match(es)? I would've heard about any on here...

You're not coming up with any intelligent stuff here. You're just typing away like you're getting paid by TNA. But then again, there's no such thing as reasoning with you "Impact Players" sometimes.

 

[Kitten Cutter]

What channels are Ring of Honor on? I live in New Jersey and would love to check it out. I can't make a comparison yet because I've never even seen a match from RoH. I'll make my judgement once I've seen a program. If I don't get the channels I'll look for stuff online.

 

[Reddannihilation]

Oh Jesus Christ!...

ROH DOES NOT have the financial backing like TNA has.

Yeah because their original owner was a pedohpile. Not TNA's fault.

Of course that's how TNA signs all these former WWE talents by overpaying them and having good production. They shoot for the moon and crash most of the time.

And yet these supposed crashes are still far superior in terms of success than ROH's best moments.

ROH has been selling out on their biggest house shows and iPPV's; How is that they don't make any money from that?.

It's rather obvious that when you cut half your roster and stop signing new talent that finances aren't at their best.

And ROH being a "glorified Indy promotion"? Man, Bischoff's got you like a brainwashed sex slave. First of all, they produce the best matches anywhere with the best talent. You're saying Davey Richards Vs. Tyler Black is Indy? or The Kings of Wrestling Vs. Haas & Benjamin is Indy? When was the last time TNA got you talking about an awesome match(es)? I would've heard about any on here...

So your argument is..."ROH has good matches so they can't be independent". Fun fact your whole argument about ROH not having the financial backing that TNA has, that's what makes them independent, just like indie rock, indie film etc. If it doesn't have a major financial backer it's indie. And ROH is indie, they're a feeding ground for the majors.

Also TNA has plenty of good matches, Hardy vs Angle from No Surrender, Hardy vs Angle from iMPACT, the Best of 5 series between the MCMG and Beer Money, the match at BFG between the MCMG and GenME, Anderson vs. Angle at Lockdown, Pope vs Styles at Lockdown, Hardy vs Angle vs Anderson at BFG, plenty of good matches.

You're not coming up with any intelligent stuff here. You're just typing away like you're getting paid by TNA. But then again, there's no such thing as reasoning with you "Impact Players" sometimes.

I find it hilarious you're criticising Zeven for being "paid by TNA" when you're here saying sports entertainment is over and in-ring wrestling is the future, ROH is a billion times better than everything else in the world, you're a ROHbot, you're a sheep, yo go BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Seriosuly, fucking ROHbots are half the reason it's a pain to watch ROH, you guys went from "next world champ" to "fuck you" regarding Tyler Black, as if anything you say about TNA is actually true.

 

[Chicago1989]

Yeah because their original owner was a pedohpile. Not TNA's fault.


And yet these supposed crashes are still far superior in terms of success than ROH's best moments.


It's rather obvious that when you cut half your roster and stop signing new talent that finances aren't at their best.


So your argument is..."ROH has good matches so they can't be independent". Fun fact your whole argument about ROH not having the financial backing that TNA has, that's what makes them independent, just like indie rock, indie film etc. If it doesn't have a major financial backer it's indie. And ROH is indie, they're a feeding ground for the majors.

Also TNA has plenty of good matches, Hardy vs Angle from No Surrender, Hardy vs Angle from iMPACT, the Best of 5 series between the MCMG and Beer Money, the match at BFG between the MCMG and GenME, Anderson vs. Angle at Lockdown, Pope vs Styles at Lockdown, Hardy vs Angle vs Anderson at BFG, plenty of good matches.



I find it hilarious you're criticising Zeven for being "paid by TNA" when you're here saying sports entertainment is over and in-ring wrestling is the future, ROH is a billion times better than everything else in the world, you're a ROHbot, you're a sheep, yo go BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Seriosuly, fucking ROHbots are half the reason it's a pain to watch ROH, you guys went from "next world champ" to "fuck you" regarding Tyler Black, as if anything you say about TNA is actually true.

Hey, hey, let's get some things straight here Red. I know how you like to come out here and do your damndest to defend TNA. We've been through this before...

First of all, ROH didn't cut "half their roster". They actually resigned current talents as well as sign new talent recently. Just check out the roster page...

I'll admit, TNA does have good wrestling most of time, but to me, the booking and the length of the matches overshadow the quality of their matches MOST of the time. That's the difference between ROH and TNA. At times, ROH is still Indy, I'll give you that, but their biggest shows make them different from just Indy. There's always a great, unique atmosphere where everyone has fun. You don't get that in most Indy shows.

And FYI, I ain't no "sheep" or "ROH Bot". I used to be a TNA fan and I think they're better than WWE but wrestling-wise, I'm not interested in seeing old bags of wind hobble down to the ring or The Shore garbage. You can keep all that...

BTW, I always thought Tyler Black was a great wrestler. Not once have I ever thought he sucked. If I was The Rock on these forums, I'd tell you to know your role and shut your mouth but I guess saying "I rest my case" is good enough...

 

[Uncle Chester]

It's rather obvious that when you cut half your roster and stop signing new talent that finances aren't at their best.

Consider the guys they cut were waste. Aries, Butcher, Stevens weren't doing anything and the fans were disinterested. They weren't cut because of a bad financial position, they just served little purpose to the company and unlike TNA ROH cuts the excess fat.

 

[Uncle Chester]

Seriosuly, fucking ROHbots are half the reason it's a pain to watch ROH, you guys went from "next world champ" to "fuck you" regarding Tyler Black, as if anything you say about TNA is actually true.

The atmosphere ROH fans create is great but it's mainly the NY crowd who just want to get themselves over, the rest of the country are fine. I find it hilarious how you criticize the ROH crowd while defending the TNA crowd who chant 'you've still got it' when Sting hits 3 punches and a Stinger drop. You TNA fanboys are half the reason it's a hastle tuning into IMPACT every week.

 

[shattered dreams]

Since ROH has been cut down to one thread, I'll ask this question here. We hear a lot about ROH having superior wrestling to many others. My question is do people feel that ROH matches on average have enough "beyond the moves" to justify this lofty idea? Is there enough psychology? Crowd interaction? Background story? In their better matches it is definitely there but saying ROH consistently has the best matches IMO ignores everything beyond the physicality which we use to judge matches in other companies.

On match length I think people can get carried away with what is and is not important. Simply just going long does not make a match special by itself. It can certainly be a "cheap" way to create a theoretical match opposed to putting more into the storytelling and booking, both before and during the match. If the material within the match, and the pace, does not justify a longer match then I tend to find it actually detracts from my enjoyment. In some longer ROH matches I watched they seem to work these really uneven paces, with the downtime serving almost no purpose. If you have people plenty capable of strong workrates I do not understand pointlessly drawing it out for a cheap effect.

I have nothing against ROH. In fact I have tried to get fully into it a few times but it usually dies when the ppvs are not something I can find "free" and I am not into it enough to buy them. What do people feel about the so called superiority of ROH wrestling? How do people feel about the TNA style of solid workrate but shorter matches vs ROH style of longer matches but uneven workrate?

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

And despite the fact that TNA has in so many people's mind deteriorated and yet become more orientated towards and catered for entertainment purposes, it's audience has actually grown, gradually but if the inverse were true about pure wrestling being a bigger draw this wouldn't be the case. And what does this tell you. The sad fact of the matter is that so many wrestling fans are aware of ROH and don't watch because they dont swing far enough towards the entertainment side of the business, or at least in the form that we are aquainted with, as the two bigger companies do.

What this unfortunately means is that pure wrestling may not be a big enough attraction to draw enough fans in to make it main stream, and I don't just mean right now but ever. It just might be that ROH fans are so inhospitable to TNA because they occupy the number two spot despite hvaing a 'worse' product while ROH fans may silently acknowledge that what they have isn't what the majority wants to see. People may want to see a company on the same pretences as WWE, but different and that can incorporate not being PG and make that successful, and TNA is most peoples only hope as the number two company.

I'm not saying thats the case, but it may prove to be. Next five or so will determine if there is any truth to that. Like I said not my opinion but it is worse considering.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

On the other hand despite what I just said, ROH may be the way that the market IS swinging what with it's company naturally growing constantly and the height of popularity that things like UFC and strikeforce are currently recieving. It may actually be the case that new fans to wrestling want to see a more realistic product to go along with this trend. If that is the case, then it isn't TNA that WWE have to watch out for, it's ROH. Once gain next five years, we will know more

 

[TheStar]

Once again we are all trying to beat a dead horse. Look at the facts ROH and TNA both started in 2002, on the debut show of ROH the main event was Daniels vs. Low Ki vs. Danielson and the main event for TNAs debut was a tournament to give Ken Shamrock who was already washed up the NWA title.

Let's also be realistically honest ROH is PRODUCING stars in wrestling while TNA are only pan handling and skimming what WWE lets go. The up and coming top stars in the WWE and TNA right now have all cut their teeth in ROH and became ROH champions before they became "Impact" players or WWE branded. We can run the list can't we;

AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, Chris Daniels, Low Ki, Evan Bourne, Desmond Wolfe, Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin, Amazing Red, Brian Kendrick, Generation Me, Jay Lethal, Douglas Williams, MVP, Shawn Daivari, Sonjay Dutt, and soon to be Seth Rollins (Tyler Black)

Now out of all those names WWE and TNA didn't create them to the point they can brand them except AJ Styles(TNA) but, ROH did and because of their display of talent in ROH they were picked up by TNA and WWE. So yeah some of that hatred ECW fans felt when they saw one of their guys move on to the bigger companies but remember WWE secretly was funding ECW and due to the double cross TNA did to ROH a few years back I can wager when the pins fall in the end WWE will be on ROHs side and even though some may hate to hear this TNA is a sinking ship barely trying to keep it's head above water. Sorry but we all know sooner or later the bow is going to break and we will no longer be hearing about TNA!

 

[perucho1990]

The reason its because of the amount of Wrestling TNA gives to the viewers, and also because a lof of ROH fans dislike Russo. A lot of ROH fans liked TNA went Joe, Daniels and AJ were the ones carrying the company in 2005-2006, what they didnt realize is that they werent drawing a penny at all, the casual fans didnt give a shit about them.

What I dislike alot about the ROH fans is the love toward the overrated Bryan Danielson, while he is a damn good wrestler, he has the look of a jabronie and little charisma, he looks like a geek and a guy who hasnt drew a dime at all.

 

[Reddannihilation]

Once again we are all trying to beat a dead horse. Look at the facts ROH and TNA both started in 2002, on the debut show of ROH the main event was Daniels vs. Low Ki vs. Danielson and the main event for TNAs debut was a tournament to give Ken Shamrock who was already washed up the NWA title.

This has what to do with anything?

Let's also be realistically honest ROH is PRODUCING stars in wrestling

What stars did they produce? Last I checked every ROH guy who's moved to WWE or TNA had to be rebuilt as no one knew who the fuck they were.

while TNA are only pan handling and skimming what WWE lets go.

Yeah man, picking up guys who've already had a shot in the big leagues is terrible, it's not like Pope Dinero is 800x better in TNA than he was as the bland New Breeder Elijah Burke And apparently AJ, MCMG, BMI, Kaz, Lethal, etc. are all terrible and were all picked up from the WWE.

The up and coming top stars in the WWE and TNA right now have all cut their teeth in ROH and became ROH champions before they became "Impact" players or WWE branded. We can run the list can't we;

Really? Ken Anderson? Matt Morgan? Beer Money? Cut their teeth in ROH aye?

AJ Styles

Pretty sure he was at the first TNA show. Of course if we want to get technical he's ex-NWA wildside and ex-WCW.

Samoa Joe

UPW, Noah and Zero1.

CM Punk,

Wasn't a star prior to his heel turn in the WWE. Was in TNA as early as 2003 and had worked in indie feds long before ROH.

Bryan Danielson,

Was working in WWE developmental before ROH existed.

Chris Daniels

had time in WWE developmental territories, WCW, XPW and ECW long before Ring of Honor and considering he was in TNA and ROH in 2002 neither company can lay claim to him.

Low Ki

Wrestled the first ever TNA event. Was in ROH and TNA during 2002, so once again neither company created him.

Evan Bourne

Indies, joined both ROH and TNA in 2004.

Desmond Wolfe

HWA.

Alex Shelley

No, just no. You want to know who made Alex Shelley, KEVIN NASH made Alex Shelley. Once again he worked the indies and joined TNA a year after he joined ROH, the Alex Shelley who talks and makes people cheer for him? Yeah that's a TNA product courtesy of one Big Daddy Cool.

Chris Sabin

Was in TNA and the X-division champion before he was in ROH.

Amazing Red

lol, beyond flips what does this guy do? Besides, he was in TNA before ROH.

Brian Kendrick

Another guy who started out in the indies prior to ROH.

Generation Me, Jay Lethal, Douglas Williams, MVP, Shawn Daivari, Sonjay Dutt, and soon to be Seth Rollins (Tyler Black)

And more of the same, not a single one of these wrestlers is a product of ROH, they're a product of themselves and the people around them who helped them develop.

Now out of all those names WWE and TNA didn't create them to the point they can brand them except AJ Styles(TNA) but, ROH did and because of their display of talent in ROH they were picked up by TNA and WWE.

A ton of the guys you listed had worked in TNA or the WWE prior to ROH so good job.

So yeah some of that hatred ECW fans felt when they saw one of their guys move on to the bigger companies but remember WWE secretly was funding ECW and due to the double cross TNA did to ROH a few years back I can wager when the pins fall in the end WWE will be on ROHs side and even though some may hate to hear this TNA is a sinking ship barely trying to keep it's head above water. Sorry but we all know sooner or later the bow is going to break and we will no longer be hearing about TNA!

LOL, WWE was secretly funding ECW, yeah man they were secretly funding a company so that it could purposely run out of business. TNA never double-crossed ROH, Feinstein was a child molester, no one in their right mind would support a company fronted by a child molester. And lololololol, another person claiming they have some inside scoop on TNA's finances, seriously you idiots are hilarious.

 

[Belladonna29]

This is a good thread. I used to wonder about this too, especially since it seemed like ROH fans actually liked the WWE over TNA, but it's not so surprising when you think about it.

1.) The easy answer to TNA has or had or elements or people that IWC fans hate, practically by rule. And since to be a fan of ROH pretty much makes you a smark, it follows that logic.
a.) TNA has Russo. Smarks hate Russo
b.) TNA has Hogan. Smarks hate Hogan
c.) TNA has Bischoff. Smarks ( for the most part ), hate Bishchoff.
d.) TNA has Dixie. Smarks ( for the most part ), hate Dixie.
You see what I mean here?
I'm going to generalize here, but I feel I can safely do this and it will make sense.

Smarks don't like convoluted storylines with shades of grey ( which is more 'real' ). They want simple good verse evil, you know where everyone stands, kind of stuff. That's obviously not TNA.

They want longer matches with no interference, Impact doesn't have enough of these things for the ROH fans taste.

They want matches that aren't gimmicky. TNA was going too far with this a few years ago, but they've backed off of it recently.
It's been a long time since there was a 'something-on-a-pole' match in TNA, and most of the gimmick matches do provide something to the storyline ( like the Ultimate X match from the last Impact ), but I bet TNA would still be accused of overdoing this before they would.
Ironically, the WWE has been putting on gimmick ppvs for the majority of the year, but I don't see a ton of complaining about that. Go figure.

2.) As someone said before, ROH fans don't expect WWE to live up to their purist expectations, but they still do for TNA. Both companies started out and in a similar fashion as they did, and to see TNA move from having a greater emphasis on wrestling to being more storyline-drama based is a "sell-out" move to them.

It doesn't matter that this was a logical step towards TNA expanding their viewship, mainly because TNA spent a long time still trying to sell themselves as a product that cared more about in-ring work than than drama ( Remember they're "We ARE wrestling" campaign?).

But let's be real here. Without changing their product and 'mainstreaming' themselves to an extent, TNA probably wouldn't have lasted this long on Spike tv.
It's not like I want this to be true, but it is.
But ROH fans have to realize that the average pro wrestling fans isn't the 'in-ring purist/elitist they are. Hell, the most popular eras of wrestling haven't been because in the in-ring product was stellar.
They WCW undercard/midcard might have been during the late 90's boom, but the average NWO/WCW era main event, along with WWF Attitude was a bunch of 'punch/kick/finisher/run-in', under 10 minute style matches.

Would TNA fans like to see longer matches on Impact? In general, yes.
But TNA gets a ton of crap for not building up feuds properly with promos and such, and when they do, that gets complained about as well.
I think they need to strike a balance between wrestling and promos, and no sacrifice one over the other.

3.) Because a decent amount of TNA 'Originals' have spent time in ROH, their fans bet offended if they're not getting pushed ( or pushed a certain way ).
I can totally understand where ROH might be coming from with someone like Samoa Joe. He come into the company with a ton of momentum, and was doing awesome for some time, but then it's like he got lost in the shuffle and TNA kept trying to restart his push, but was inept in doing it more than once.

Someone as talented as him shouldn't be going to so much crap to be in a decent storyline and basically stay in the main event picture, but he has.
For the first time in a while now, TNA appears to know what their going with him in this "Immortal/Fortune vs everyone else who can't get along"; and that's good. But it took awhile for this to happen, and if you're a ROH fan, your sitting back thinking, 'Wow, if Joe was with US he wouldn't be buried right now".

However, let's take a look at AJ Styles as a counterexample.
Has TNA given him some silly storylines and goofy characters in the past?
Yes. But as of right now, AJ Styles has the longest World Title reign in TNA history. He's improves his promo work with Flair's help; he's the leader of Fourtune ( you can say Flair is the 'figurehead', but Styles is the leader out of the wrestlers in this group ); and more than anything, he's playing a convincing heel--something the IWC damn near universally claimed would be impossible for him. I guess what I'm saying is, even if you hate TNA, you gotta give them credit for all of that.

My point here is that ROH fans get pissed at TNA for not pushing former ROH talent high enough, but this is a split decision here, because sometimes TNA gets it right, and other times, they get it wrong.