Whos better Rey Mysterio or Amazing Red?

[Thomasrko]

In my personal thought I like Rey Mysterio (back in the day) but Amazing Red is better then Rey. Amazing Red is doing shit I've never seen before. I know Rey has bad knees, and thats why it's slowing him down now. But if you watched Superstars last Thursday, Rey went against Tyson Kid, and it was the best match I've seen from Rey in a long time. He was doing some crazy stuff in that match. I think that's a sign the old Rey is coming back. But for right now Amazing Red is better.
Who do you think is better?
Share your thoughts.

 

[TellMeWhy]

Amazing Red is better. Rey is still good but he's older now. He's not what he used to be. Amazing Red is just much smoother imo. Of course, the Jack-Hammers and all the WWE fanboys will come in here and say Rey Jr though.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

This is Rey Mysterio in a walk. I guess you didn't watch the great matches Rey had with Jericho, Ziggler, and Morrison last year. When is the last time Red had a great match? Rey can get the fans to care about him and he is more over than Red can ever dream of being. Red came back and all he's done was have one forgettable X-Division title reign and had to get Don West to help him because he couldn't get over by himself. We all saw how much West helped him, didn't he?

 

[TLC]

It obvious who is better. Its Rey Mysterio and its not even close. Rey has been having fantastic matches for years with numerous different superstars and although he has slowed down, he is still fantastic to watch and can still do some amazing things in the ring.

Amazing Red is one of the best X Division wrestlers I have ever seen. He makes some of the moves he does look easy. He is so entertaining and one of my favourites but he isn't even in the same league as Mysterio. As much as it hurts me to say this, Red will never be anything more than a Spot Monkey whilst Mysterio will go down in history.

 

[Depakote]

Amazing Red is a talented in-ring performer but he has no personality. The only thing interesting about him is his ability as a super smooth spot monkey. In-ring action is just one part of the business. If you cant entertain as a character and get people to emotionally invest in your character, youre just another guy in his underwear getting sweaty with a bunch of other guys, which is enough to make Orlando Jordan jealous, I'm sure.

Rey Mysterio is a great wrestler on top of a great character that has had memorable moments in both WCW and WWF/E. He's stolen the spotlight on many occasions. He's the sole reason that lucha libre is alive and well in the American wrestling market. And he's a real luchador, mask and all. If it wasnt for the ground that Rey Mysterio broke, there would be no X Division today.

Amazing Red is really good in the ring but if he doesnt give me a reason to care about his character, then he will always be just another spot monkey, and those guys are a dime a dozen. Nothing special. Whats special is when you can deliver in the ring AND have a character people can care about. Red cant do that. Rey can. Rey wins.

 

[#hamler]

Amazing red. Mysterio in his old hour long matches with Eddie Guerrero, juventud guerrera, psycosis, or dean malinko in WCW and ECW days was better than red is now. but right now, red is better, think about it, mysterio was doing stuff we've never seen those days like red is now, but what mysterio, in those days, did, is considered normal today. so in ten years or so we'll be discussing "is ______ or Amazing Red better"?

 

[Scotty]

Easily Rey Mysterio. Red may do more crazy flippy moves, but Rey Mysterio is the reason that Red even has a job today. Red is good in-ring, but even Rey could school him on the mic. Not to mention that Rey has a thing called story telling ability. His matches are stories. All Red does is flip and fly. Rey takes this match-up in a cakewalk.

 

[Platypus Palsy]

Better flippy floppy: Red

Better everything else: Rey

Rey is a wrestler. Red is a spot monkey. Rey can give you something to work with in a storyline while Red just gives you an Ultimate X match or a 1080 corkscrew flippy magic McTwist. Look at these last few month to months and you'll see. Rey is in a great story with Punk right now while Red is off doing flips. The answer is obvious.

 

[#hamler]

on the other hand, rey is better at everything else... Promos etc... but why not compare aj to rey...

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Amazing Red is better. Rey is still good but he's older now. He's not what he used to be. Amazing Red is just much smoother imo. Of course, the Jack-Hammers and all the WWE fanboys will come in here and say Rey Jr though.

Mysterio is better and with good reason. Unlike most TNA smarks that simply want to hype everything about TNA to the moon without any degree of explanation or even logic at times, I actually have reasons for feeling Mysterio is better.

Rey Mysterio brought something to wrestling that most American audiences didn't get a chance to see. He's been an innovative worker with a great work ethic that, despite his size, has been able to become a major star in wrestling with your average fan. No one of Mysterio's size has achieved as much success as he has among American audiences. Many of Rey Mysterio's matches have been showstealers and were among the best reasons to watch WCW Nitro during the 1990s. The nWo may have been the draw, but Mysterio and a few others like him in WCW were the show. Mysterio's matches not only include some high flying and fast paced offense, but his matches tell a story, they have a purpose and they have some psychology to them.

To me, Amazing Red is a glorified spotmonkey that can only dream about accomplishing what Mysterio has over the course of his career. TNA will bring him out once in a blue moon, stick him into a spotfest that will remain memorable for about five minutes, then he'll disappear for another 6 weeks back into the little room where TNA stores him.

 

[gd]

Obviously Rey. He can produce good matches without 4 other guys, 8 ladders, and a fresh supply of narcotics. Sure, some of the moves Red can do are absolutely astounding, but he's just way too over the top. He acts like he's been shot every time someone touches him. It's fun to watch, but you can only take so much.

Rey has been able to harness all of this high flying and flippy stuff and been able to tone it down enough to give us great matches they are just flips and shit everywhere. In just the last year he's had really good matches with Jericho, Punk, Gallows, and I'm sure there have been some others. Plus, he has a cool mask.

 

[shattered dreams]

I really hate how people use the term spot monkey. Maybe it means something different to them than it does to me but I think it is crazy to call many of the guys in the x-division spot monkeys with Red being exhibit A. To me spot monkey means the guy can ONLY hit spots. Red does a lot more than that in the ring IMO, in fact within his physical limitations there is little he cannot do, but his spots are so big that they are all people remember. I think people confuse spot monkey with having no in-ring psychology. To me that is two different things. Red is guilty of that and having zero mic skills, which can be a lethal combination for ones career.

Rey is definitely better though because he is an all around performer at this point in his career. At the same time it is an unfair comparison because they are at different stages of their careers. Recently, I have seen Red occasionally being able to do a little story telling in his matches. If he could build on that and find a gimmick that limits his mic work he could be pretty good although his legacy will likely never come anywhere near mysterio's.

 

[Twiztid Rodimus]

Without a shadow of doubt, Rey wins this.

Without Rey there would be no Red. We all know this and point this out.

The matches that Red has had in his career, tell NO story. Rey on the other hand does this with almost every match.

His feuds with Eddie, Batista, Chavo, Psicosis, and even his time against Kurt told stories in the ring. Red is just not capable of doing so, Or if he can, Tna never shows this.

But even if Red was in more in depth meaningful feuds, He STILL would not match the quality of a Mysterio

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I really hate how people use the term spot monkey. Maybe it means something different to them than it does to me but I think it is crazy to call many of the guys in the x-division spot monkeys with Red being exhibit A. To me spot monkey means the guy can ONLY hit spots. Red does a lot more than that in the ring IMO, in fact within his physical limitations there is little he cannot do, but his spots are so big that they are all people remember. I think people confuse spot monkey with having no in-ring psychology. To me that is two different things. Red is guilty of that and having zero mic skills, which can be a lethal combination for ones career.

I don't see anything the least in ring psychology from Amazing Red. He does his flips and flying around, acts as though he's been hit by a car whenever anyone lands the slightest blow on him, TNA almost only puts him in matches filled with 6, 7 or 8 guys in which some sort of gimmick is the central theme of the match, and on the few occassions TNA does have him work a one on one match on television or a ppv, they're not the least bit memorable or entertaining. It's hard for a wrestler to tell a story when the company he works for just puts him on television or ppv now and again with virtually no build up for a match and tells him to go to it. I'm just not seeing what you're seeing and I never have out of this guy. Now, me personally, I've got nothing in particular against a spot monkey. Everybody has their niche and that's all well and good. However, when statements are made in which such wrestlers are said to be better than other wrestlers that have proven to be much more well rounded in virtually every area, then I feel the limitations of spot monkeys need to be pointed out and pointed out firmly.

 

[shattered dreams]

I agree that spotfests most definitely have a place on a good card. After that I think your point gets convoluted. You talk about Red not being able to tell a story and then talk about him being booked so he cannot tell a story. Which one is it? I am sure one is related to the other but one of the points I was making earlier is that just because they book the guys in such matches does not mean that is all they can do. It seems to be because the premise of this thread is crazy that you feel justified in exaggerating Red's limitations. What I was disagreeing with most is that Red can ONLY do flips and flying moves. If that is all you see out of Red in the ring then I think your selective eyesight might make you a great prowrestling referee. I just want to know what it is that non-spot monkeys can do in the ring that he cannot? Not having mic skills or psychology has little to do with if someone is a spot monkey or not in my book.

 

[WWE Manster03]

Mysterio hands down. I like Amazing Red as I feel he puts on the best spots currently in the United States. However, if you were to put him in AAA/ROH/New Japan he would just be average because they all tell stories with their spotfest type matches. Just watch Rey vs Juvie in WCW or Rey vs Psychosis in ECW. Both fueds were nothing but spotfests, but both ALSO told a story that was in depth and easy to follow. I'm not sure if Red CAN'T tell a story or if TNA won't book him to do so. But until they prove me otherwise, I would take Rey Mysterio RIGHT NOW over Amazing Red currently. If we were comparing young Rey, then this question isn't even fair. lol

 

[Hulkamaniac]

As a TNA fan, I don't see how anyone at all could argue that Amazing Red is better then Rey Rey. Mysterio is a legend in this business, and is much more versatile a performer then someone his size has any right to be. The man has psychology and storytelling in his matches that Red could only dream about. Red is the definition of a spot monkey. Sure, it's fun to watch in bursts, but Rey provides more consistent, exciting entertainment.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I agree that spotfests most definitely have a place on a good card. After that I think your point gets convoluted. You talk about Red not being able to tell a story and then talk about him being booked so he cannot tell a story. Which one is it?

Both actually. In a rare instance in which Red isn't booked in some sort of gimmick style match, he's simply not able to tell a story. When Amazing Red defeated Samoa Joe for the X Division title months back, Red was dominated throughout the extremely short match. His best offense didn't even effect Joe. He wins the match via interference and the title despite being booked to look ineffectual and weak throughout the entire contest and throughout much of his title reign thereafter. The only potential story I saw in that match was the creation of a weak champion for a meaningless run with a title.

I am sure one is related to the other but one of the points I was making earlier is that just because they book the guys in such matches does not mean that is all they can do.

It seems to be because the premise of this thread is crazy that you feel justified in exaggerating Red's limitations.[/QUOTE]

Not exaggerating them at all, just pointing them out. Red's place in wrestling history is going to be hindured in large part due to his size. I know that he can't help the fact that he wasn't born a big strapping athletic buck and all that, but the fact that he's about the same size as Seth Green means that he's had to become a spot monkey in order to even have a place in pro wrestling. Now, the fact that Red didn't really have much of an option, considering his physical stature, in becoming a spot monkey if he wanted to be a wrestler doesn't negate the fact that he's still a spot monkey. It's not the fault of a leper if he/she contracts leprosy, but it doesn't change the fact that that person's got it. Red has adopted a style in which he's not expected to develop any character depth, little to no mic skills and use a number of high spots, flips and flops and whatever in order to get over. I'm not saying that Red couldn't do more as a wrestler if he wanted to. I'm quite sure that he could, but the fact of the matter is that he doesn't. And when someone says that such a wrestler is superior to one that's a much more well rounded pro wrestler, then that's when I have to speak up. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with being a spot monkey unless you try to say said spot monkey is better than one of the best of his generation. Not being able to tell a story, not having ring psychology, almost only competing in gimmick matches and using high spots to try and cover a lack of storytelling and ring psychology is the definition of a spot monkey in my view.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I like Amazing Red more but Rey Mysterio is better in the ring. Red can do insane spots in the ring and always entertains, but the same can be said to a much larger extent about Mysterio when he was in his prime. However, even the current version of Rey is better because he is believable against bigger guys whereas Red against a heavyweight will automatically be predicted as Red getting squashed before the match even begins.

 

[MozRKO]

I'd say Rey if those were the only two choices given...

But what if we added more choices...

Rey
Red
Evan Bourne
AJ Styles
Morrison
Kofi
Yoshi Tatsu
Tyson Kidd

...now what???

 

[Gerald Brisco]

I'd say Rey if those were the only two choices given...

But what if we added more choices...

Rey
Red
Evan Bourne
AJ Styles
Morrison
Kofi
Yoshi Tatsu
Tyson Kidd

...now what???

Rey is an absolute wrestling Legand, that list i see 2 guys who have the slightest chance of being remembered 10 years after they retire and a bunch of decent wrestlers with potential

Red is a terrific athlete, dont get me wrong, but whats a memorable match he's had which has lasted more then 10 minutes? All you filter out is "Code Red" and "springboard *Insert type of aerial move* from his matches.

 

[bretfan316]

This comparison is so ludacris, amazing red is not even close to rey mysterio, not even close at all. Rey is a former world champion, something amazing red will never, EVER be. Amazing red sucks as a character, we know nothing about him, he just does fancy flips like a circus performer. He doesn't even talk for god sakes, he will never be connected emotionally to the audience when we know nothing about him. You need to have the people care about you to be over, and Red does not make you care about him. His x-title run was abysmal, no storylines, no promos, no real engaging feuds, never a real threat to anyone, need don west to get him over and that failed horribly. Red is a cheap imitation of Rey, I remember him doing the 619 move in his first tna run. Amazing red as he is right now will never ever, ever, ever be anything more than a bland cruiserweight who will never be remembered having any real significant storylines or feuds. As the great vince mcmahon once said, there is NO CHANCE IN HELL that Red will ever come close to being in the same breath as rey mysterio.

 

[Attitude_Raven]

if we talk about Rey on his WCW days, its obvious, but as now Red is by far better

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Rey is so much better it's not even funny. Rey Mysterio has tranisitioned his tyle from high flyer to more mat-based sue to knee injuries and overall is still a much better wrestler. Red can do flips and that's about it. Rey can WRESTLE! That's my opinion.

 

[Remix]

Honestly, I'm not fond of either. I loath, abhore and detest the 619 and its followup moves (especially the seated senton. which is appearently a counter to a powerbomb too. who knew?), however given the choice, it's Rey by a country mile.

Red has some amazing moves, but thats it. He's all flash and no substance. However, Rey can actually have a good match, and he does. Frequently. Over the last year Rey's consistently been one of WWE's best performers and had good to great matches against wrestlers with a vide variety of styles, from the grounded style of Ziggler to the aerial style of Morrison, Rey's had good matches with both. I have yet to think that Red the ragdoll can have a good match where he isn't tossing himself around the ring like Undertaker facing The Great Khali.