Who Would You Send Down to OVW?

[Clem]

With Jesse Neal of Ink Inc leaving TNA after being asked to relocate to OVW, I thought it might make for an interesting debate as to who is and should relocate.

Just off the top of my head, I'd send Garett Bischoff, Magnus, Jesse Sorensen, Rob Terry, Zema Ion, Anthony Neese, Mark Haskins, Brian Kendrick and Matt Morgan. Some for repackaging, some for training, others just for a wakeup call.

Who would you send down to OVW?

 

[Just2Sweet]

How are you going to send down Matt Morgan? He is one of your upper card studs. If anything, he needs to be taken off tv for a month or 2 with some sort of injury angle and then bring him back with a strong main event push. Other than him, I agree with most of your other guys. I don't know if they need to send guys down or just do a little housecleaning to get rid of some of the useless guys that they have.

 

[JWGunslinger]

Agree with everyone but Matt Morgan and Jesse Sorenson, those guys do not deserve to be relocated at all. Morgan is a TNA mainstay and even though he isn't in the main event scene he's still a very big name in the company and he's got a good fanbase, the man is too big for that. Sorenson may be new but I see alot of potential for him in X-Division and I see a good feud with Austin Aries coming for that young man. In the short time he's been on Impact he's been impressive, he reminds me alot of Cody Rhodes and I think that he could be big one day. Now for people I would send to OVW it would be everyone on that list plus Shannon Moore, the guy isn't going to do much as a singles competitor at this level so send him on down.

 

[Clem]

How are you going to send down Matt Morgan? He is one of your upper card studs. If anything, he needs to be taken off tv for a month or 2 with some sort of injury angle and then bring him back with a strong main event push. Other than him, I agree with most of your other guys. I don't know if they need to send guys down or just do a little housecleaning to get rid of some of the useless guys that they have.

I think Matt Morgan is in desperate need of repackaging.

His last few feuds have been dire, he's been beating the same "Blueprint" drum for years and his move set has grown stagnant. He needs to go away and reinvent himself.

You even highlighted his problem. He's a perpetual upper card stud. Everyone seems to rate him, yet he never breaks through the glass ceiling into the main event. Even when they handed a couple of World Title shots to him on a platter, he blew it and went straight back to the midcard.

I'm not saying he needs to be in OVW for long, just get a new look, some new moves and a new moniker, maybe then people will take him seriously.

 

[Con T.]

Can I seriously send Mr. Anderson to OVW?

Ok, I'm aware that I can't. That said, if I can send somebody to OVW, it's actually Anderson. I hate, hate, hate this man's work in the ring. Sure, he doesn't get blown up all too often, but something about his ring work just looks absolutely sloppy. He's always doing something stupid like dead-weighting his opponent, kicking his legs when going up for slams, and just looking like he's potatoing fuckers in the ring like he's from Idaho. I'm sending him because I see potential for the guy, I really do. His promos bore me, but I can see why someone would like them. He has athleticism, and he has a certain charisma in the ring. But he's always doing some wacky shit that makes him dangerous in the ring, and one day, he's going to really hurt somebody.He always tries to make it look like what he's doing in the ring is real, and what he doesn't seem to realize is that if you're a good enough worker, it will look real, anyway. I know, he's a main eventer, and is a former champion for all of a month, but seriously, send him for some extra training, get him to stop doing the stupid shit he does in the ring, and let him come back when he's ready

 

[silverbullet]

Matt morgan has already been through OVW's developmental program, sending him back would totally suck for his career, he was in ovw's developmental program when he went to wwe as the speech impediment guy, theres nothing left that can be taught to him in OVW atm, I would like to see the trainer of ovw nick dinsmore have a run in TNA though.

anderson was also, already in OVWs developmental program.

 

[BK Styles]

Hmmm.........from that list, I'd say Magnus and Terry definitely. They're both okay with the right gimmick, but they've both been around for a while now with not much success (Terry's title reigns aside, but even then they haven't done him that much good) but a trip to development could do them wonders.

Disagree with Kendrick and Morgan A LOT. Both are fine the way they are, if they need anything they just need a good feud each to get them going again.

The others I'm not sure about. I think we need to give them a bit more time to grow before deciding they need more time to grow in a smaller environment.

Also, with regards to Matt Morgan (I may rant here)...not everyone needs to win the world title. Should he win the belt? Sure, I think so. Should he have won it already? Yeah, I'll go along with that. But just because he hasn't won it doesn't mean he needs to go to fucking OVW. If anything, its tribute to him that he's still upper card without holding it. And why would you send someone as high up the card as him to developmental? That's like sending John Morrison to FCW. The guys a name in the company; he would be missed.

Also, all the times that Morgan has 'wasted' shots at the title...you do know they aren't ACTUALLY competing? He's booked how he's booked, and he's booked as a threat who hasn't quite got there yet; a TNA mainstay who doesnt need the world title to be relevant. His time will come. But to suggest he needs to go to OVW is laughable.

 

[kokoBawesome]

I know this is going to offend a lot of TNA fans... but Samoa Joe needs to go down to OVW.

In the early 2000s WWE sent the Big Show down to OVW to get in shape and overall, get his shit together. At this point he was a two or three time world champion and a main event regular. It took balls to send one of the faces of the company down to OVW, but he came out of it in shape and better off than he was. Nobody is above a wake up call.

 

[Brother Love]

why is everyone saying Matt Morgan shouldn't be sent to OVW? Yes he is one of their biggest stars, but he was pushed into that position before he was really ready. He could use some fine tuning IMO, but it might be to late since he's been in the limelight for some time and might not take to kindly to being sent down.

As for who else, several come to mind.
Robbie E first and foremost. It's probably my bias for Jersey Shore, but this guy needs to be repackaged. He definately has the skill sets but needs a makeover.

Next would be Rob Terry. Unlike Matt Morgan, he came in somewhat raw and hasn't had that much success. Some time off tv, a little training and a makeover could do wonders for him.
For the same reason I would send Gunner. I think he has the talent but needs something personality wise to get him over. He needs to shake the tna security guard image that everyone knows him for and some time off tv and a new name could do that.

As far as Samoa Joe goes as someone mentioned, I don't think he needs to go to OVW. All he needs is for creative to pull their collective heads out of their asses and figure out what to do with him. I've always been a joe fan and in the early years of tna he was a beast. Now it seems like they just don't know what to do with him and Chrimson is getting the kind of push that he Joe deserves.

There might be a few x division guys that deserve to be sent there as well, but I would start with Robbie E, Gunner and Rob Terry as far as established guys guy. These three have either the tallent or unique enough look that they could all be at the very least mid-card stars for the future but need something to give them that extra push.

 

[SpecialFNK]

can you send someone to OVW as a way to get them off TNA for awhile to be repackaged?
OVW is development wrestling?
someone like Robbie E IMO could use a new look/gimmick, but I don't think he needs developmental work in wrestling.
wrestlers under contract not wrestling, do they still get paid? maybe a way of having them off TV and still getting paid is to have them in OVW?

 

[kokoBawesome]

I think specialFNK makes a great point, having a developmental relationship with OVW is going to give TNA the ability to bring in new guys and develop characters while they polish their skills. Once they're already up to the main roster there's no point in sending them down to retool their character. Their character can be fooled around with during dark matches and house shows.

OVW has been used best in the past as part of rehabbing establishing stars. A guy goes out with a bum knee, let him spend a month in OVW to get him back in ring shape. Once someone is established, there's no point in keeping good wrestling off the air. Characters should generally, but not always, transition from gimmick to gimmick over time.

With that said, poor Robbie E. The jersey shore television show ends next year so his gimmick is going to be officially outdated. If he and Zack Ryder were smart they'ed start thinking about their next move now, that way they could slowly transition out of this Staten Island D-bag thing into something more social relevant over the next year. If TNA thinks like I do, they aren't going to send him to OVW to create a new character, they're just gonna keep him in dark matches until they figure out what to do with him.

 

[Papa Pillman]

can you send someone to OVW as a way to get them off TNA for awhile to be repackaged?
OVW is development wrestling?
someone like Robbie E IMO could use a new look/gimmick, but I don't think he needs developmental work in wrestling.

I actually think that this Robbie E/Robbie T. thing is finding its footing for both guys. Atleast it works better than when it was him and Cookie(Becky Bayless is really hot, but "Cookie" was annoying).

As for the point about his ring work... overall the guy is solid, but he does need to learn to sell without looking like a jackass.

As for who I'd send down... First- I think Garret Bischoff is an obvious choice.
I'd like to see either Neese or Ion find their way into the currently shallow X-division, the odd man out, along with Haskins, should get some ring time in Louisville.
Magnus is an interesting case, I think he has the look and charisma for a singles push, but lacks the ring skills- so developmental may be perfect for him if TNA sees him as a potential future player. I could also see him and Haskins being sent to OVW for the short term to work on developing a new British Invasion-style Tag Team. The one issue with sending Magnus to OVW is I think it spells the end for Douglas Williams in TNA, there is no way you could justify sending Williams to "developmental", and I just can't see him getting yet another mid-card singles push on Impact Wrestling(this may be for the best though, as it would really be nice to see him back with ROH).

I would hope TNA would use the strategy of looking to form tag teams at the OVW level to try and replenish that division. Perhaps target a couple underutilized roster members and give them a stint in OVW to test their chemistry. For example, I wouldn't mind seeing Kendrick return to tag team wrestling if the right partner could be identified.

Also, if TNA plans to use OVW in a very broad manner, perhaps this could be a way to really shrink the roster and actually use all of their top talent to load each division. For example, send all of the young generation X-talent to Louisville(including Sorenson), then put guys like Kaz and Daniels back into that division to join the likes of Aries and Kash. I mean what the hell has Kazarian done since exiting the X-division title picture?? I like Sorenson's upside, but I'd much rather see a fued between Aries and Kazarian.

 

[GameOver]

said this over in the Tweet thread, send almost everyone including management
There are few people on the TNA roster who don't need alot of work.

Same could be said for WWE too, there's so many people who are just scraping by and they have little choice, since those in FCW aren't any good either.

 

[Viggo]

I agree with all of Clem's picks except Morgan. I agree, just work a kayfabe injury angle and get him off of tv for a couple of months. Give him a new look or turn him heel perhaps. Of course, he's a tag team champ for now, so he and Crimson would have to drop the belts first. He could turn on Crimson and cost them the belts, then repackage him.

 

[conici]

Im going to go with crimson the guy needs work on his personality and brush up on his in ring skills if TNA are really going forth with his push and his undefeated streak

 

[HollywoodLuthias]

Rob Terry - Needs to work on wrestling skills, then reintroduce him. I'd like to see TNA give Terry a heel push similar to what WWE is doing with Wade Barrett.

Abyss - He just needs to get in better shape and get repackaged

D-von - since he is a veteran and could actually help with the young guys in OVW.

Gunner - needs to be sent down because honestly, right now I see nothing in this guy...He needs to create a persona

 

[This Is My Name Thank You]

I would say Jesse Soreson if he wasn't being pushed down our throats and trying to develop in front of our eyes week in and week out. He is good but man he is as bland as bland can be. He is someone I would send there if I was given power to do so.

I would send Rob Terry also to OVW since this guy could be something big if he could actually wrestle. He can't so this is why he would be going to OVW to learn everything he needs to one day become something more then a big headed muscle bound waste of space.

Gunner is another guy I would send to OVW since he is on jobbing duty to Bischoff junior. He has the look to be a star whether people like him or not he does. He is just stuck with a shitty name in which not to develop a real character with. Gunner could spend some time there to be repackaged with a new name and some personallity and he will become a star.

Velvet Sky can go to OVW because she is still not doing it in the ring and it has been noticed since she lost the title to the arriving former WWE diva Gail Kim. So if she lost it this quick then it seems to be she isn't developed enough. In which she really isn't which is sad since she can truly be the face of the knouckouts. Winter also fits this case very well since she seems scared to even hit someone while she botches a lot of her moves.

Abyss is someone who can go to OVW and maybe try out being his real self down there without his mask and see if it would work or not. Other than that this guy is a huge waste of space and needs help in a million ways.

The other people I am thinking of should go to OVW too but I think they should just be let go since I think TNA's rooster is way too big. The people I picked are the ones I see who could turn out to be something big. Key word in being "could" so that is all I would send to OVW.

 

[CenaSux4Life78]

Actually, I would send Jeff Jarrett. Not because of inability, but because of his ability. He is one of the guys who, IMO, defyed the odds and became a legend in this business. Sending him to OVW would definitly be helpfull to those guys on the roster. Also, maybe it would get Karen off TV.

But for guys on the roster that could use more developement. Robbie E. I know he has somewhat of a fanbase, but I just dont think he has the talent to be where he is right now. He has the potential to be more, but needs more work.

Chris Sabin. Not because he isnt good enough, but more for the fact he is just coming off injury and needs time to adjust, and work out any kinks he may have.

Devon I like Devon but his ring skills as a singles star are not up to par, imo. He has the ability, but I think he needs more development.

 

[He's Phenomenal]

I can't believe the OP suggested Matt Morgan. I thought the idea of TNA sending wrestlers to OVW was because they have nothing for them or they're not quite at the right level to be a part of the show? Matt Morgan is a huge part of iMPACT and it would be ridiculous to remove him from TV. Looking at TNA's roster, and seeing who isn't used, my picks to be sent to OVW are:

Samoa Joe - Unless TNA can come up with a regular and interesting way to use Samoa Joe, then I see no harm with him heading down there. He's not really a big part of the show and nothing would be altered if he wasn't there. I can't see a natural or interesting feud involving Samoa Joe at this point either.

Alex Shelley - Just until Chris Sabin is fit and ready to return. Shelley's collecting dust at the minute and he needs to be ready for when Sabin does return. I can't really see Shelley becoming vital to the show without Sabin, as TNA gave him a go on his own and it didn't really take off.

Shannon Moore - If Jesse Neal is leaving, then I don't see where Shannon Moore fits in. The X-Division is interesting for the first time (since I started watching anyway) with the Aries/Kash/Sorensen feud so I can't see Shannon getting much time there because that feud is rightfully the division's big story.

Zema Ion, Mark Haskins and Anthony Nese - These guys just simply don't get used, and are all young, so could probably do with some time in OVW.

British Invasion - Why these guys aren't featured, I do not know. With TNA's Tag Division looking a little short lately, it really surprises me that these two aren't a focal point of the division. But if there are no plans in the immediate future for these two then why not let them go to OVW?

 

[Clem]

I can't believe the OP suggested Matt Morgan. I thought the idea of TNA sending wrestlers to OVW was because they have nothing for them or they're not quite at the right level to be a part of the show? Matt Morgan is a huge part of iMPACT and it would be ridiculous to remove him from TV.

When was the last GOOD Matt Morgan promo? When was the last GOOD Matt Morgan match? A year ago...maybe two?

I'll admit he's established himself as the local big man, but he's been happy to coast on that reputation for a long while.

The last time I was actually entertained by him was during his last Tag Title run, when he was a one man tag team and started talking to himself. But how long ago was that?

I say send him down to OVW and give him a reality check. Think of some new moves, a new angle, just something that's fresh.

 

[He's Phenomenal]

When was the last GOOD Matt Morgan promo? When was the last GOOD Matt Morgan match? A year ago...maybe two?

I'll admit he's established himself as the local big man, but he's been happy to coast on that reputation for a long while.

The last time I was actually entertained by him was during his last Tag Title run, when he was a one man tag team and started talking to himself. But how long ago was that?

I say send him down to OVW and give him a reality check. Think of some new moves, a new angle, just something that's fresh.

His last good promo would've been with Crimson prior to Turning Point, it wasn't spectacular but it was good. His last good match would've been just over a week ago, at Turning Point, against Crimson. That match was probably the best of the night.

I understand that you're not a great fan of Matt Morgan, and that's fair enough, but I just thought it was a little silly to suggest removing one of the biggest stars from the TV show.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Based off merit?

Devon. Has about reached his total potential int he company. The 3D split gave way to a good singles wrestler in Bully Ray, but Devon just doesn't have what it takes to last as a singles wrestler who is relevant very long. He would be, however, a fantastic mentor for a number of young stars in OVW that TNA is likely looking to groom.

Pope. As much of a fan of his as I am, he's doing very little in TNA right now and there doesn't seem to be much focus on him or willingness to give him a spot light of any kind, so why not let him stay sharp in OVW until something actually comes up where he can be used properly again?

Doug Williams. Similar to Devon, Williams has always been one of those guys who seems to have reached his total potential in the company. He's held titles here and there and done a good job as a member of the British Invasion stable, but he's simply lost in the shuffle right now and it doesn't seem as though there's any plans in the near future to get him into a spot, so why not get him working consistently in OVW also playing mentor to the guys TNA is looking to groom?

Mark Haskins. He has the potential to be entertaining but is still very young and very green. Work in developmental should really help to patch up the holes in his game so he can actually be a consistent (and safe) wrestler for the company in the future.

Based off personal opinion?

Velvet Sky. I know, I know… ratings. But this isn't based off ratings. It's based off her actual wrestling skill, which is severely lacking. Vel-vel takes bumps about as well as Jenna Morasca, and considering she's a 7-year veteran, that's sad. Her timing is off on every aspect of selling.

 

[Lowdown]

1. Rob Terry- He has the look to be a potential future champion. But he's stale in the ring and has the charisma of a gnat. Would definitely be beneficial to go to OVW.

2. Robbie E- The man has a bad gimmick, but that's where the negatives end with me. It really means nothing being that he's the current TV champ in my view. Yes its a good start, but yet at the same time he's not being presented to where I would want to watch a match of his.

3. Garrett Bischoff- Based on his matches with Gunner, Garrett needs to have a good while in OVW. Right now he reminds me of Shane McMahon in the ring. Again there might be potential, but far from ready. Which leads me to....

4. Gunner- The problem with Gunner is he has zero mic skills. If anything I believe he would improve greatly in OVW to present his personality better. He definitely fits the enforcer type role.

5. Miss Tessmacher- She's come along alright for the year, possibly even surpassed Velvet in terms of in ring ability. But Tara is the strength of their tag team, and if and when she goes solo, she could be dead in the water. She is over with the male audience, so there's the plus.

6. Velvet Sky- While its cool she finally won her first KO title, she needs more work on her craft in order to be a serious contender again. Mind you, the fellas pop big time for her entrance, but that only can get her so far.

 

[Clem]

His last good promo would've been with Crimson prior to Turning Point, it wasn't spectacular but it was good. His last good match would've been just over a week ago, at Turning Point, against Crimson. That match was probably the best of the night.

I understand that you're not a great fan of Matt Morgan, and that's fair enough, but I just thought it was a little silly to suggest removing one of the biggest stars from the TV show.

His promo prior to Turning Point was delusional. "People keep asking me can I beat up Crimson"? "It's a dream match"? Pleeeease. The only ones saying that were the voices in Matt Morgan's head!

And as for the match itself...it was TERRIBLE! They're a couple of slow lumbering douchebags that haven't learnt a new move in years. Not to mention the cr*ppy ending where they got double DQ'd and started throwing "punches" weaker than my grandma!

 

[Remy LaCroix]

I'd send Crimson in a heartbeat. It's not that I don't like him, which I don't, it's just so he can learn a little showmanship, which he lacks severely.

No one else comes to mind at the moment.