Who is going to miss out on the Mania 30 card?

rge2010

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Brock Lesnar, Batista, Undertaker, Triple H and Hulk Hogan are just 5 'part timers' that will be returning in some capacity and taking up air time at Mania 30. Other part timers like RVD and Chris Jericho will also probably be around for the event.

WWE usually only has about 8/9 matches and the gentlemen above me will be involved along with the main event guys like Punk, Bryna, Orton and of course Cena. Moving down a notch, we then get to people like Sheamus, Big Show, Kane, Del Rio, Mysterio, Henry. I expect all of these to be involved as well.

As we move further down the card I have to worry for Superstars like Ryback, Ziggler, Sandow, Christian and the like. I honestly see the pre show really getting utilised and a PPV quality match will probably take place to draw people into that last minute buy.

I am going to put my neck on the line and say Ryback and Ziggler will probably be the biggest names to be left off the card this year. I also think Kane could be as well...
 
With WM30 being such a big deal, I expect we'll have a lot of participation from part timers as well. But it's not like WWE can't get a good amount of mid carders on the card, or more likely pre show, as well. If so many matches really are filled up with part timers, it's easy enough for them to set up a battle royal on the pre show for a shot at one of the mid card belts. Yeah, most people would complain that that's not exactly the most exciting way to set up a title match. These are also the same people who would complain that not enough mid carders get on the card. It's one or the other, and it's easily the better option to have the battle royal.

Another way they get a good amount of participation from mid carders is tag team matches. I expect the Wyatt's will have the Tag Team titles, so I expect at least a tag team title match. And I wouldn't be surprised to see another thrown together tag team match in there somewhere. If they have time, maybe that on the pre show as well.

I guess as far as names, Ryback, Ziggler and Sandow would probably be the most notable if the battle royal doesn't happen. Most of them are stuck in the lower card right now. Kane wouldn't surprise me at all. He's not in a wrestling capacity currently.
 
I really don't see Ryback and Ziggler being left off the card, no matter how far they've fallen. They're still pretty relevant on RAW each week.

Hogan if and when he comes back, IF he's in a match at WrestleMania it won't be a singles match, it'll be a tag, and from what the rumors are saying, his partner will most likely be Cena. They'll face two guys, whether it be Piper and someone, or the Real Americans. So that's one match.

I expect to see, and there probably will be a huge tag-team match just to fill out the card. Similar to maybe what we saw at... I believe it was WrestleMania 20? We could see four to five teams going at it and that would fill up ten spots.

Even if Ryback and Ziggler are forced to the pre-show of Mania... that's still pretty good.

Kane could be left off, but I see him getting involved in something within the next month or two.

I think we're more likely to see the Axel's and the Kofi's left off the card.
 
With WM30 being such a big deal, I expect we'll have a lot of participation from part timers as well. But it's not like WWE can't get a good amount of mid carders on the card, or more likely pre show, as well. If so many matches really are filled up with part timers, it's easy enough for them to set up a battle royal on the pre show for a shot at one of the mid card belts. Yeah, most people would complain that that's not exactly the most exciting way to set up a title match. These are also the same people who would complain that not enough mid carders get on the card. It's one or the other, and it's easily the better option to have the battle royal.

Another way they get a good amount of participation from mid carders is tag team matches. I expect the Wyatt's will have the Tag Team titles, so I expect at least a tag team title match. And I wouldn't be surprised to see another thrown together tag team match in there somewhere. If they have time, maybe that on the pre show as well.

I guess as far as names, Ryback, Ziggler and Sandow would probably be the most notable if the battle royal doesn't happen. Most of them are stuck in the lower card right now. Kane wouldn't surprise me at all. He's not in a wrestling capacity currently.

Yes I agree a Tag Match is the way. I would love to a Team Vince vs a Team Triple H. You can get up to 10 people on the card that way.

I think it is a lock that The Wyatts, The Shield, Goldust/Cody will be involved in some capacity. The latter two possibly against each other.
 
Good post.

As Mania is only a few months away and with anticipation of time for potential feuds/builds we can pretty much confirm that WrestleMania 30 will be without: Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Sting (to have "the match" with Undertaker) or Goldberg

Then there's the potentials who will not wrestle but might appear the main two being HBK and Flair

I think with it being Mania you will get alot of talented mid carders not make the cut. But of course this is the case this is the GRAND DADDY OF THEM ALL!
 
You also gotta account for a possible Money In The Bank Ladder match. With only one briefcase necessary, I don't think it needs its own PPV. I'd have it at Mania again. That's an easy way to get 10 more guys on the card. Guys like Kofi, Miz, Christian, RVD, Y2J, Del Rio, etc. guys who might not have a true program to work. Also we can have a multi-man tag title match. WWE knows how to get guys on the card.
 
You also gotta account for a possible Money In The Bank Ladder match. With only one briefcase necessary, I don't think it needs its own PPV. I'd have it at Mania again. That's an easy way to get 10 more guys on the card. Guys like Kofi, Miz, Christian, RVD, Y2J, Del Rio, etc. guys who might not have a true program to work. Also we can have a multi-man tag title match. WWE knows how to get guys on the card.

Sorry my friend but MITB 2014 is already confirmed for June 29th according to Sky Sports. MITB has been one of the stronger B PPV's and only having 1 briefcase will make it even more prestigious!!!

It should stay IMO as the last few have been very good.
 
I think maybe Shemus, Del Rio or even Daniel depending upon old timers coming back in.

Yeah Axel R Truth might also miss out but think they are big enough anyways.
 
It depends on how many multi-man matches they will have. I expect maybe one tag-team match featuring 3/4 teams as well as perhaps a ladder match or battle royal.

There are a group of decent mid-carders that don't have much going for them that could easily be left of the card. Ziggler, Barrett, Miz, Sandow, Fandango, Axel, Ryback, Kofi, Kidd are all in danger. I'd say that Ziggler, Miz and Rybaxel will feature. Maybe Sandow as well.

As for the others, I think there is a chance that some very talented names don't feature - which is a shame. However, there is so much talent on this roster that someone has to miss out. If this was '99 or 2000 then some of these names would be one of the top guys on the roster nevermind struggling to make the biggest show of the year.

If there isn't a Battle Royal on the main card then I will predict that: Prime Time Players, 3MB, Fandango, Kofi Kingston, Tyson Kidd and possibly Wade Barrett will miss out. Not disastrous by any means but still a real shame. If someone like Ziggler or Sandow miss out then it is extremely disappointing.
 
Sorry my friend but MITB 2014 is already confirmed for June 29th according to Sky Sports. MITB has been one of the stronger B PPV's and only having 1 briefcase will make it even more prestigious!!!

It should stay IMO as the last few have been very good.

It is far from confirmed, it is currently scheduled, but nothing can stop WWE from simply changing the name of the scheduled PPV.

I'd prefer it return to Mania, at least for the this year. It's a great way to get talented guys on the card. The match can be a show stealer.
 
Alberto Del Rio, Christian and Ryback will be left off the card guaranteed IMO. You have many part timers as well as returning WWE Superstars in the form of Brock Lesnar, Batista, Triple H, The Undertaker, Rob Van Dam, Sheamus (hopefully heel) and Chris Jericho. I'd say Big E and Mark Henry are a lock for having a match at WrestleMania as well as a possible Shield vs Wyatt family match this is going to be HUGE! You also your full time top stars in John Cena, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton etc....it's going to be tough for a good number of mid carders to get on the card.

This is just business. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
This just means the traditional Battle Royale will be on the show and will have bigger names than usual in it- Probably for a shot at the IC title on the show. It can easily be 30 man if needed to accomodate some legends and big names.

Guys like Ziggler, ADR will be in it while RyBaxel will likely be in some kind of Tag Fatal Fourway.

How I see it breaking down is that the guys missing the show are gonna be the ones who would normally only be in that Battle Royale to make up the numbers... Los Matadores, 3MB, Zack Ryder and the like...

Your big 6 are the guys mentioned by HHH in his Cole interview this week - Punk, Bryan, Cena, Orton, Brock and Batista - Those will be the main show (one will face Taker). The undercard guys might suffer a bit more than usual but Hogan teams with Warrior and Sheamus against Wyatts or Shield, that then with a Fourway Tag anu us scramble match takes care of a lot of the names.
 
When you say 'miss out' do you mean in a wrestling capacity, or all together? There's always time and space for some backstage cameos.

If you mean all together, then there's the obvious ones like JTG, Yoshi Tatsu and so forth.

If you mean JUST wrestling, then I can imagine there being a Bad News Barrett somewhere. Hornswoggle will do something mildly funny and Santino will do something similar
 
Since you didn't specify if you're including the pre-show in this discussion, I will assume you are. But unless they bring back the MITB ladder match back to WrestleMania, or they have some type of battle royal, there's a lot of guys who will be left out.

The ones who might surprise some people are: Kane, Del Rio, Brodus Clay, Prime Time Players, Real Americans, The Usos, Ryback, Curtis Axel, AJ Lee, Dolph Ziggler, Fandango, Damien Sandow, Kofi Kingston, Sin Cara, and The Miz.

Then there's the ones who would usually get a spot, even if it's just in a filler spot like a battle royal, but there may not be time for this year: Tyson Kidd, Wade Barrett, Christian, Justin Gabriel, Zack Ryder, Evan Bourne, Great Khali, Santino, and the rest of the divas roster.

I have to say, I'm against the Cruiserweight Title being brought back, but if they were going to do it...this would be the time. Have an 8-10 man ladder match to determine the first champion. Whatever it takes to see guys like Kidd, Gabriel, and Kofi (who I would turn heel) get their time to shine.

Also to save time, I would have a fatal 4-way for the tag team titles. Cody and Goldust are likely going to be opponents, so I'd make The Real Americans the next champs and have them defend against The Usos, PTP, and Rowan & Harper.

I do have to say I think this year, we'll see more than the usual amount of matches. I think anywhere between 10 and 13 will be the number (including the pre-show) with all the part-timers likely to be a part of the show. We'll see a couple squash matches to get everthing fit in. Something like Ryback issuing an open challenge and The Ultimate Warrior running out to decimate him in a matter of seconds doesn't sound very far-fetched at all.
 
I've made a rough draft of a WrestleMania XXX card and the order I see the matches happening in.

* = Winner

Pre Show 20-Man Battle Royal:

Maybe the winner receives some sort of a title shot the following night on Raw or even later in the night.

Alberto Del Rio, Brodus Clay*, Damien Sandow, Curtis Axel, Dolph Ziggler, Fandango, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, Bad News Barrett, Christian, Great Khali, Santino, Tyson Kidd, Heath Slater, Drew McIntyre, Jinder Mahal, Los Matadores, R-Truth, Xavier Woods

Main Card:

1. Rey Mysterio* vs. Sin Cara
2. Tag Team Titles: Real Americans (c) vs. The Usos* vs. Rowan & Harper vs. Prime Time Players
3. Big Show vs. Kane*
4. Cody Rhodes* vs. Goldust
5. Intercontinental Title: Big E Langston* (c) vs. Mark Henry
6. Chris Jericho vs. RVD*
7. Ultimate Warrior* vs Ryback
8. Intercontiental Title: Dean Ambrose* (c) vs. Roman Reigns vs. Seth Rollins
9. The Undertaker* vs. Sheamus
10. Daniel Bryan* vs. Bray Wyatt
11. CM Punk* vs. Triple H
12. Hulk Hogan & John Cena* vs. Roddy Piper & Randy Orton
13. WWE World Title: Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Batista*

I'm not saying this is the card I want to see, but it does look like what's shaping up, in my opinion. I'm sure they find some way to incorporate the Divas into the show, whether AJ defends the title or they just have a backstage segment that ends in an all-out brawl.
 
To be honest, I'm not at all invested in WM 30 this year, at least not atm.

I hate that we dont have "moments" anymore, meaning seeing a win that actually really really maters, like a past IC title match or a past US title match or past WHC match.Everything just feels like a robotic point A - > point B kinda thing.Have match - > win title - > get buried after some time cause WWE lost interest.

Like,people say we might have US and IC title matches.That's just great, but does anyone really give a damn after so many years of constant trashing of these titles by the WWE brass.Like Big E winning the IC title, it felt like just another title run given to somebody cause they like him hoping the title makes the guy and not vice versa.

Ambrose has barely defended the US title.Hell I kinda liked that he threw it on the ground like trash ( even tho it was part of the "tension" angle ) cause that's what is really is.They can cut promos and speak at the announcer desk all they want about prestige and stuff but we all know they dont mean jack.

As far as who will miss WM 30. I guess Kane would be a sure-in since he is a empty suit now.Ziggler and Sandow might have a match together on the pre-show.

But the list of people missing is entirely dependent on whether or not they have MITB now since they can do it and/or have tag team matches + a battleroyale or something.

I still hate the idea of a battle royale to be named #1 contender for US/IC title, since it means u have 0 build-up and people will care even less about the match.

I don't miss Batista, he's a star sure but I really didnt feel like we needed a comeback.Obviously he feels different but he's just gonna take the spot in the main event of someone else that could benefit.

I know, I know, its WM30 we need big names.What about WM 40?is WWE even gonna make it there?What about WM 35 when all important guys are gonna be 40 and over or pushing 40.WWE needs to have faith and stop thinking that because they put a guy in the main event he instantly must put butts in the seats like crazy after Cena and Orton and even Del Rio have been shoved down our throats for so long, especially Cena.

Ofc nobody is gonna buy a PPV with DB on it and people are gonna be less interested to see RAW, when all you do is to screwy finishes, then leave him out of the storyline and get Big show to fill in, and we saw how that went, Big show is now a bubbly , diaper-wearing jolly-giant.

People are conditioned to think Cena is the shit, that doesnt just take 1 month of main event pushing to undo.

I'm a little bit confused with WWE's decisions.They want someone to put butts in the seats, but when that someone is climbing and climbing and actually getting somewhere near Cena, they are automatically depushed so that they dont get to that level.So which is it?
Do they want another star or dont they?

People thought Bryan would have his moment at WM.Well with Brock Batista Cena Orton in the main event, I highly, highly doubt that is possible especially now that he has joined the Wyatt family.Sure people will go crazy if he turns on Bray and then have a match at Wrestlemania, sure that's all good, but the diserves much more than this.

And I'm sorry but the idea of Sheamus vs Undertaker is just stupid.Everyone can have their opinion obviously but Sheamus is nowhere near the level of someone who should be facing the Undertaker.
 
Sheamus is an awful pick for Taker's opponent. But he's Levesque's guy, so that's that. With Taker likely only having 3 Mania matches left in him, you'd think they'd put him against the biggest names possible. Cena, Lesnar, Bryan, even Wyatt or Reigns (not this year, but next if they reach the level they're expected to). I wouldn't even mind Orton again if he isn't champ going into WM. All of these are better options than Sheamus.
 
I've made a rough draft of a WrestleMania XXX card and the order I see the matches happening in.

* = Winner

Pre Show 20-Man Battle Royal:

Maybe the winner receives some sort of a title shot the following night on Raw or even later in the night.

Alberto Del Rio, Brodus Clay*, Damien Sandow, Curtis Axel, Dolph Ziggler, Fandango, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, Bad News Barrett, Christian, Great Khali, Santino, Tyson Kidd, Heath Slater, Drew McIntyre, Jinder Mahal, Los Matadores, R-Truth, Xavier Woods

Main Card:

1. Rey Mysterio* vs. Sin Cara
2. Tag Team Titles: Real Americans (c) vs. The Usos* vs. Rowan & Harper vs. Prime Time Players
3. Big Show vs. Kane*
4. Cody Rhodes* vs. Goldust
5. Intercontinental Title: Big E Langston* (c) vs. Mark Henry
6. Chris Jericho vs. RVD*
7. Ultimate Warrior* vs Ryback
8. Intercontiental Title: Dean Ambrose* (c) vs. Roman Reigns vs. Seth Rollins
9. The Undertaker* vs. Sheamus
10. Daniel Bryan* vs. Bray Wyatt
11. CM Punk* vs. Triple H
12. Hulk Hogan & John Cena* vs. Roddy Piper & Randy Orton
13. WWE World Title: Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Batista*

I'm not saying this is the card I want to see, but it does look like what's shaping up, in my opinion. I'm sure they find some way to incorporate the Divas into the show, whether AJ defends the title or they just have a backstage segment that ends in an all-out brawl.
i agree with some of these matches, but i would change matches 3,5,7.9 for sure.
5) big e vs ryback title match
7) warrior in a squash vs main event playa brodus clay
9)undertaker vs kane in a streak vs retirement match
scrap match number 3 totally and replace it with a mitb match featuring
adr
bad news barrett
christian
dolph
fandago
kofi
miz
sheamus
tyson kidd
sin cara
curtis axel
and one other person making it the biggest mitb ever featuring 12 stars
and perhaps aj vs a nxt with a roster spot on the line if the nxt girl wins
 
This is just my balls on your chin, nothing more nothing less.

So yeah, the card might be lopsided in the direction of absolute stupidity. Is it what's "Best For Business"? First, I'd want to know why anyone else is rehashing that garbage. Best for business? Business can mean a lot of things. Fans will buy tickets and tune in and buy useless merchandise even if those that you mentioned were on the card.

If HHH crashes his car into a tree tomorrow, that wouldn't be very good for business. If a meteor hits Titan Sports, that wouldn't be very good for business. Counting the ways in which a business can suffer is a fools errand, validating a baseless opinion with "Best For Business" is proof that stupidity is truly limitless.
 
It's too early to tell in my opinion. Depends on what storylines they have in mind to sell the card. I've noticed they typically have a match where they stick midcarders in. Worst case, they may use them in segments.
 
To be honest, I'm not at all invested in WM 30 this year, at least not atm.

I hate that we dont have "moments" anymore, meaning seeing a win that actually really really maters, like a past IC title match or a past US title match or past WHC match.Everything just feels like a robotic point A - > point B kinda thing.Have match - > win title - > get buried after some time cause WWE lost interest.

Like,people say we might have US and IC title matches.That's just great, but does anyone really give a damn after so many years of constant trashing of these titles by the WWE brass.Like Big E winning the IC title, it felt like just another title run given to somebody cause they like him hoping the title makes the guy and not vice versa.

Ambrose has barely defended the US title.Hell I kinda liked that he threw it on the ground like trash ( even tho it was part of the "tension" angle ) cause that's what is really is.They can cut promos and speak at the announcer desk all they want about prestige and stuff but we all know they dont mean jack.

As far as who will miss WM 30. I guess Kane would be a sure-in since he is a empty suit now.Ziggler and Sandow might have a match together on the pre-show.

But the list of people missing is entirely dependent on whether or not they have MITB now since they can do it and/or have tag team matches + a battleroyale or something.

I still hate the idea of a battle royale to be named #1 contender for US/IC title, since it means u have 0 build-up and people will care even less about the match.

I don't miss Batista, he's a star sure but I really didnt feel like we needed a comeback.Obviously he feels different but he's just gonna take the spot in the main event of someone else that could benefit.

I know, I know, its WM30 we need big names.What about WM 40?is WWE even gonna make it there?What about WM 35 when all important guys are gonna be 40 and over or pushing 40.WWE needs to have faith and stop thinking that because they put a guy in the main event he instantly must put butts in the seats like crazy after Cena and Orton and even Del Rio have been shoved down our throats for so long, especially Cena.

Ofc nobody is gonna buy a PPV with DB on it and people are gonna be less interested to see RAW, when all you do is to screwy finishes, then leave him out of the storyline and get Big show to fill in, and we saw how that went, Big show is now a bubbly , diaper-wearing jolly-giant.

People are conditioned to think Cena is the shit, that doesnt just take 1 month of main event pushing to undo.

I'm a little bit confused with WWE's decisions.They want someone to put butts in the seats, but when that someone is climbing and climbing and actually getting somewhere near Cena, they are automatically depushed so that they dont get to that level.So which is it?
Do they want another star or dont they?

People thought Bryan would have his moment at WM.Well with Brock Batista Cena Orton in the main event, I highly, highly doubt that is possible especially now that he has joined the Wyatt family.Sure people will go crazy if he turns on Bray and then have a match at Wrestlemania, sure that's all good, but the diserves much more than this.

And I'm sorry but the idea of Sheamus vs Undertaker is just stupid.Everyone can have their opinion obviously but Sheamus is nowhere near the level of someone who should be facing the Undertaker.


There are 11 other PPV's and countless episodes of Raw and Smackdown for other superstars to make a name for themselves and become 'the man'. They either have it or they don't and if they do WWE will let them run with it.

You talk about Mania 40. Well go back 10 years to Mania 20. John Cena, Batista and Randy Orton were all on the undercard and are now main event. Everyone back then was bitching about Triple H hogging the limelight. 10 years from now we will probably see the same.

As for Mania 30, I want to see the biggest stars of the industry in the best matches. I dont want to watch a glorified episode of Raw! If this means Ryback, Ziggler and the like miss out then so be it.
 
Rumors of a Ziggler concussion may just have taken him out of the running... Once is bad luck, twice you are facing serious problems as I myself have learned to my detriment.

The Battle Royale is the way they normally do it because it gets the most names involved for the shortest time. MITB is a possibility but I doubt they'll sacrifice the PPV unless they are gonna bring back King Of The Ring.

AJ vs Paige would be a very interesting thing, making her debut at Mania and winning the title would be a great way to get her over quickly.

Basically the way to sum it up is if you are not on Main Event, Superstars regularly winning matches - you are at risk of missing Mania.
 
-The Rock: I know he is more of a "part-timer" but he is still on the WWE roster & I simply don't see him being present at Mania in any fashion this year.
-Shawn Michaels: HBK will more likely than not appear on screen at Mania in some fashion but not in a wrestling capacity.
-Kane: I think Kane will be present as part of The Authority but I see this being the first year in a long time that Kane doesn't actually wrestle at Mania.
-Dolph Ziggler: Ziggler just apparently suffered a concussion & his chances of being on the card weren't that good to start off, so I say no Ziggy at Mania at all this year.
-Kofi Kingston: Unless WWE brings the MitB Ladder match back to Mania this year (which I don't see happening), I don't possibly see where Kofi would fit into the card.
-Fandango with Summer Rae: The Dancing man that made his in-ring debut at last year's Mania just hasn't had that much momentum lately & I only see him appearing to dance briefly at the very most.
-Christian: Same deal as Kofi.
-The Miz: Might be on the pre-show panel or a segment host of some kind but that's it.
-Bad News Barrett: Same deal as Miz.
-Santino Marella: He might make an appearance backstage with some Legends in a comedic fashion but that's it.
-WWE Personnel: William Regal, Booker T, Brad Maddox, Vicki Guerreo, etc.: Same deal as Santino.
-The Extremely Obvious: Brodus, Clay, Zack Ryder, Aksana, Alex Riley, Alicia Fox, Camacho, Cameron & Naomi, Curt Hawkins, David Otunga, 3MB, Evan Bourne, Big Zeke, The Great Khali, Hornswoggle, JTG, Justin Gabriel, Tensai, Tyson Kidd, Yoshi Tatsu, NXT Superstars, etc.: Some might get lucky & be lumberjacks/lumberjills on the pre-show to showcase as much talent as possible.

& Even though WWE has shed a lot of light on the tag team division this past year I see The Real Americans with Zeb Colter, The Usos, Rybaxel, R-Truth & Xavier Woods & really any other tag teams being left to the pre-show this year. Same for the Divas division. Even though WWE has promoted the ladies even more this year with stuff like Total Divas on E!, besides some key players like AJ Lee & The Bella Twins, I could only see a select few Total Divas girls like Eva Marie making the show of all shows this year & most likely just in cameos backstage to promote the "reality" show.
 
I see Kane and Brad Maddox having some sort of programme going onto Wrestlemania. There has been tension between the 2. It can't be coincidence that the Mask of Kane is always shown next to Brad Maddox, can it?

Maybe Maddox has someone fight for him vs Kane, or someone saves him after he is booked in a match at Wrestlemania with the Big Red Machine. It is a possibility,lMO. It could result in the termination of either man's role.
 
they could very well have a Wrestlemania battle royal on the card with the winner getting an Intercontinental Title shot dwon the tracjk, and sitting ringside could be all of the still living former IC Champions, to make the title prestigious and gives the entire mid card air time, just like Mania 20 when they had 2 absurd 4 corner tag matches and a 10 man cruiserweight match. Theres 26 guys in 3 matches who got airtime
 

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