Where have all the Submission finishers gone?

[ashe draven]

the lack of submissions in wwe is apparent. who gets tap outs other than cena or masters? arguments wether its the PG programming or benoit tragedy are both valid points. its a shame to me. i love the excitement of a submission finish. my top two favs used sub finishers. bret & benoit. their were so many wrestlers during the monday night wars that used sub finishers so the argument that it makes wrestlers look weak or damages fueds i dont think holds alot of water. only vince & the bookers can explain the lack of sub finishes. maybe bret returning can bring a change in the culture..hopefully.

 

[CanellisMVMaker]

I can't notice it.. WWE has never really done a HUGE amount of submissions unless it is the gimmick of the match or the superstar is known as a submission specialist (a.k.a Benoit).. or unless its a big guy vs small guy thing with it used to make the big guy look really powerful but other then that, it hasn't been hugely based on submission moves at all.. and besides, does anyone remember "Breaking Point", a whole PPV based on Submissions.. so therefore, i dont think you can blame it on the PG Era.....

 

[The Ultimate]

Yea, submissions are really fun to watch, especially when they tap, because the few submissions there are nowadays the victim always makes it to the rope and it has to be broken. In fact the latest (legitimate) submission victory I remember was Edge using the Sharpshooter on Kofi, the other recent ones don't count because it was no disqualifications...

 

[maar130]

Well, thing is that in wrestling you got o believe that most guys don't tap, or it was an old belief. The more you hang on the more the people got behind you, it is like this, when Steve Austin was turn into a tweener and not only a Heel at WM 13, one big factor was that he didn't tapped, The resiliance of the Undertaker was well known because in all his carreer he only tapped once and it was in controversial fashion againts Kurt Angle (even if he was subbmited by Mankind and the Mandible Claw at the 1996 KOTR), How may times has HHH tapped as a face? None, he always tapped out as a heel, never as a face. Edge stopped literally to use the Edgecator because every Main eventer refused to tap to it, even if ti looked like it hurt like Hell. Most people is more driven by a sudden impact than some complicated hold, personally I love submission holds but I guess most people feel it made Wrestlers look weak.

It is different than in MMA, a simple Arm bar can cause serious damage and most fighters will tap on behalf of the personal well-being and you can't blame them for that at all.

In Wrestling, guys are supposed to be almost unbreakable and mostly even if they get hurt their will is what matters. Perfect example is how many people hated when Randy tapped at Bragging Rights with only 5 seconds left. If it would have been MMA as soon as Cena snapped the STF none would have blamed Randy, but in wrestling, at least in my view, it made me feel like Randy shouldn't have tapped with so little time left, it made him look like a b*tch, which is wrong for me because he is supposed to be one o the toughest guy in the world.

 

[creepylildud]

i read a few posts and you guys seem to forget the instances where both shawn michaels and triple h used the crippler crossface. but yeah, we need more submisson moves utilized in wrestling. my favorites of the best have been submission artists. and my character on thewrestlinggame.com......haha cheap plug, is a submission character. but submission moves made matches exciting and entertaining but the little kiddies like short matches, i remember watching matches that last over 15 minutes and they were undercard matches. and nowadays the main events have been boring due to the lack of excitement. and cena's finisher, is just lame and not very innovative, please shut down his character pronto!!