When did we start hating Christian & Sheamus?

[Trill Co$by]

So I'm confused here. It would seem as if over the past few weeks, guys like Sheamus and Christian have been given the ultimate cold shoulder by a big chunk of the wrestling fans. Specifically, that moronic crowd in Chicago and even a few people here on WZ. And considering how genuinely over these two have been in the past with that same group, I have to ask... When did we start hating them?

So Christian is a heel, and I can see why you'd boo him in the ring. But believe it or not, his One More Match movement was there before the Yes Movement. Sure, Daniel Bryan might be getting the Media attention, but Christian was nearly impossible to keep out of the main event picture for months without people badgering about how he's been misused since his return from TNA.

And Sheamus... I could've sworn he was everyone's answer to John Cena by the way the fans on here seemed to gravitate towards him for nearly the entire time he was on Smackdown. Now he comes back from an injury, and like with Christian, he's put back into the middle of the pack.

Have they just worn out their welcome? Or have the Smarky Marks decided that they just want to be their normal selves and switched their opinions?

 

[ASKane]

We started hating when we got bored of seeing this match over and over again. This match has been over used since Sheamus' return and people are just not interested in seeing them wrestle so they start hating

 

[Danger Burger]

I like Christian, and I like Sheamus, but these two have been wrestling week in week out since before the chamber. Worse than that, Christian hasn't won any of the encounters. Last night had a twist no doubt, but it was still the same matchup from last week. If this feud is set to lead into a Mania match, i'd put money on seeing them wrestle six more times before then as well. Both guys could do better with a little change.

I would also say that the upper midcard tier of these guys is a little lacking in charisma, Sheamus is a goof, Christian never really won me over (I missed his best years), ADR is as interesting as a cactus. When these guys fight (and they fight often) it gets harder and harder to care.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

It's hard to get interested in a feud when it's obviously portrayed as one-sided. I don't think anybody wants to see two people face off for a month without some kind of change in the winning pattern. So what if Christian attacked him that one time backstage? It doesn't mean anything if he can't pull off a win here or there. You can't expect to give us this matchup with the same outcome every week and expect us to enjoy it.

That and there has been no real change in either one of their characters in a while. Yeah, Christian is heel now but that doesn't make him any more interesting. Sheamus has been the same kind of face he always settles with. If they gave us more of a reason to care about either one of them, then I'd be sold.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

A former mid-card match on a 'B' show now looks like it's going to be a mid-card match at WrestleMania. Just what is the point.

Both are in dire need of character overhauls. Sheamus just doesn't work as a face and Christian has lost so much momentum over the last two and a half years you just can't see him ever getting it back.

 

[The Butcher]

People forgot who Christian was while he was M.I.A., and Sheamus has been steadily circling the drain since he turned face. It's certainly nothing new for smark crowds to give Sheamus the business; New Jersey took a fat ol' dump on him just about a year ago now.

The feud is lame, there was never such a thing as a "One More Match movement," and Sheamus' ghostly pallor is unnatural and unholy.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I haven't exactly seen a ton of signs of people hating either Christian or Sheamus. For the most part, the live crowd was really into their match last night. I think I heard one CM Punk chant during the match, but it was over quickly. In fact, it was the only CM Punk chant of the night.

Christian & Sheamus have been putting on some good matches, the problem is that there seems to be no real reason for them to keep happening. I'm all for good wrestling matches on television, but they're going into overkill for Sheamus vs. Christian; that's especially true when you consider that Christian has yet to beat Sheamus in any of them, barring him pinning Sheamus at Elimination Chamber. After last night's street fight, it's time to pee on the camp fire and call in the dogs as far as this program goes. If they'd going with something like a "best of" series of matches culminating at WrestleMania with some popular gimmick match, then MAYBE the program could have been worthwhile.

 

[Pedigree1]

I like christian and Sheamus! But in reality wrestling each other over and over again since the chamber is getting boring even for me.. Christian is interesting to say the least,hes better as a heel than a face. Christian IMO operates better,as a smarky sarcastic individual. His One More Match thing he had going a few years ago,was brilliant it truly was.

It gave him the much needed life into his character. I dont necessarily think the peeps hate christian,im not slamming him for this but he doesn't stay healthy long enough anymore for us to care about him.

Sheamus on the other hand since his face turn,is the same ol schtick. Happy Ol Gosh,jolly irishman. This character just doesn't fit Sheamus it doesn't. He drinks,fights at the drop of a hat but is happy and friendly and such? Those qualities just dont work together.

I like sheamus and christian. I think the people like them as well,were just sick of seeing them compete against each other week in and week out is all,especially if the feud is one sided. Feuds cant be one sided,its not a feud its called an ass-whooping!

 

[chicagokmc]

Agree with the consensus here. Tired of same crap every week. Here is a thought, turn Sheamus heel, tag team them, get rid off Dogg & Gunn, and this new team of Sheamus/Christian can take place of NAO, Ryback/Axel and soon to be broken up Real Americans as #1 heel tag team (and pray that Christian stays healthy!)

 

[shafe_41]

People forgot who Christian was while he was M.I.A., and Sheamus has been steadily circling the drain since he turned face. It's certainly nothing new for smark crowds to give Sheamus the business; New Jersey took a fat ol' dump on him just about a year ago now.

The feud is lame, there was never such a thing as a "One More Match movement," and Sheamus' ghostly pallor is unnatural and unholy.

This ^^^

We're bored with them. I've personally never really been into Sheamus. He doesn't connect with me at all. I was intrigued when he took the title off Cena at TLC... 4 years ago. That was about where it started and ended. Sheamus is deserving of his spot, but he's not a guy that can carry the title. He has good matches with everybody. He has great matches with NOBODY. Some above average, not many... if any of them are great. He's stale. His moveset has no evolved whatsoever. He's come out yelling "FELLA" for the last 3 years. He has no mic skills at all. He's amongst some of the most boring on the mic. He's up there with RVD and Ryback in terms of mic skills. Sheamus is a classic example of how a great build and great look DOES NOT translate into interesting or successful. He's not going to gain any more momentum in terms of fanfare by hitting his chest having the kids chant "brogue." That's all he's got.

Christian... god where do I start. I like the guy. I really do. I have no clue why. I know he's not deserving of carrying the big one. But he's millenniums ahead of Sheamus on the mic. When given a little freedom (similar to what he had in TNA), Christian can shine and be a damn good mid-card champion. He was fantastic in TNA. I think the 6-sided ring did him some good and he benefitted from it. He's good in the ring. Christian isn't powerful. He's not a high flyer. He won't blow you away with his moves.

Putting these two together is going to be filled with booing. They'll boo Christian because he's the heel. Like Butcher said, he'll also garner the heat because his whole "One More Match" thing is now 2-3 years old and was something that never caught on. If I wasn't watching his feud with Orton, I wouldn't even have any idea what "One More Match" even referred to. So it just sounds stupid when he's on Raw two weeks in a row in matches. The regular fan that doesn't remember something from 2-3 years ago is thinking "Ok, you got one more match, I don't understand." So they'll feel disconnected from him and not care. Then proceed to boo someone they don't care about.

Sheamus will garner the boos because we're tired of his schtick. He appeals to kids because he looks like a giant cartoon. We only loved Sheamus when he was beating John Cena... because it was fresh and surprising to us. It is no longer fresh.

 

[enviousdominous]

So I'm confused here. It would seem as if over the past few weeks, guys like Sheamus and Christian have been given the ultimate cold shoulder by a big chunk of the wrestling fans. Specifically, that moronic crowd in Chicago and even a few people here on WZ. And considering how genuinely over these two have been in the past with that same group, I have to ask... When did we start hating them?

You do seem very confused, there's definitely no confusion regarding something as certain as that. That particular crowd in Chicago had something else on their mind, whether or not it made them moronic for letting it distract them from Sheamus and Christian is a different debate.

Giving the cold shoulder means that I hate someone? I don't hate telemarketers, but I'll still not answer the phone if their company pops up on the caller ID.

I think what you're trying to ask is: Why are you no longer excited to see a Sheamus and Christian feud? Because it's been done before and because it's yet another desperate attempt to market Sheamus. I really don't feel empathetic toward him if Christian beat him up backstage, I really don't feel upset with Christian for employing stale heel tactics.

So Christian is a heel, and I can see why you'd boo him in the ring. But believe it or not, his One More Match movement was there before the Yes Movement. Sure, Daniel Bryan might be getting the Media attention, but Christian was nearly impossible to keep out of the main event picture for months without people badgering about how he's been misused since his return from TNA.

Here's the thing. Nobody hates Christian. Back then, he was our favorite underdog. We were still reeling from Edge's retirement, and it was special to see Christian win the belt with Edge's blessing. He dropped the belt to Orton abruptly, and as you probably remember the fans freaked out and flooded Orton's twitter. Christian did a good job of complimenting Orton in the ring, so nobody had a problem with turning it into a prolonged feud. The effect wore off because the WWE stopped putting the Christian character into sympathetic angles, not because we just spontaneously became apathetic.

And Sheamus... I could've sworn he was everyone's answer to John Cena by the way the fans on here seemed to gravitate towards him for nearly the entire time he was on Smackdown. Now he comes back from an injury, and like with Christian, he's put back into the middle of the pack.

Whoa whoa whoa. Sheamus was everyone's answer to John Cena? Umm. There was this guy named CM Punk who exemplified the term "anti-Cena", you obviously never heard of him. I might be speaking for myself (you should try it sometime) but I've always disliked Sheamus when I didn't fucking hate the douche. I wouldn't ever call Sheamus an answer to the problem that is John Cena, I would call him a horribly botched clone of Cena. When he left because of his injury, he was pushing that fucking stupid hotline so you can call him to save your cat from a tree and watch an old lady try to seduce him. 1-800-FELLA was just as stupid as calling yourself a doctor of "Thuganomics".

Have they just worn out their welcome? Or have the Smarky Marks decided that they just want to be their normal selves and switched their opinions?

Consider the idea that some of us never welcomed Sheamus, and some of us still cheer for Christian. I realize that a lot of assholes on here and abroad assume that being a compulsive contrarian is a valid excuse for acting smarter than everyone else, they're not the majority.

 

[James]

White dot became boring when they turned him face.


I don't hate Blue Dot at all though, I hate how he's booked but Vince is showing him that you never double cross him.

Lord I miss WWECW

 

[closet_fan]

You would think that if they were going to wrestle this much, why not make it a best of 5 falls with both guys going into wrestlemania tied at 2 wins a piece?

it would make such a terrible storyline at least somewhat interesting.

 

[MCMG]

I certainly don't hate either. I'm a fan of Sheamus and Christian is ok too. I think Sheamus has got a lot of talent and is a useful top guy. Christian has had a wonderful career but there is little he can do.

My problem is that these two aren't stealing the show each week. Their matches are solid but not enough to be on once a week and a prominent feud. It seems like this could all end at Wrestlemania but I'm not all that keen. Again, it will be solid but not that appealing to have them wrestle a 10 + minute match at Mania. This is the road to Wrestlemania 30 and this doesn't feel like a feud befitting of this grand event. Sheamus and Christian are fine but the circumstances don't suit the feud.

 

[jeffrey9800]

I'm not sure what to think,

Christian was way WAY more relevant in TNA and when he was dominating the tag team division with Edge,

Sheamus, I honestly don't think he was ever that relevant, and he never will be, he was forced down our throaths as main-eventer if you ask me and I find him awkward to look at. I've never seen someone as pale and red headed on top of it, when he hits his chest with his fist all I can think of is : "God damn, how come his skin isn't more bruised than it is!"

I wouldn't know what to do with them, Vince clearly doesn't, they don't sell, people are bored by them, I prefer Christian and he's the loosing heel, pisses me off.

Yup, nothing good there!

 

[LSN80]

It has nothing to do with the "smarky marks", as you put it, it has to do with a lack of character development, and wrestling one another week after week. Sure, they've tried to play up Christian's sense of desperation since his return, and how this could truly be one more match...for his career. But the problem with what they've done is that they've matched them up week after week, and expected us to appreciate them simply because they've put on good matches. It takes more then that, it takes a feud, and simply throwing two men together and have one dominate the other in every match, and expected people to care. Hopefully last night was it for them, and they'll both be in the Andre Battle Royal, or there are other plans for them, but right now, I don't want to see them face one another again, ever. It's beyond tiresome at this point.

As for Sheamus individually, what have they done to make him stand out since his return? Where has his promo time been, speaking on being back, wanting gold, or wanting to settle the score with Christian? Other than a soundbite here or there, he's done and said nothing other then fight, and when you're fighting the same opponent over and over again, it's tough to care. It's not turning one's shoulder to them, it's being tired of a random pairing that started out of nowhere, unless you want to count picking up where they left off in 2011. It's moronic of you to call crowds or people moronic when all they've done is have matches or fights week after week, and truly expect there to be interest in a non-title, no stipulation feud. Even if it was CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan, if they were wrestling for no reason and no gold at stake, people would tire of them.

It's oversaturating the market. Except the playoffs, sports teams don't play just one other team exclusively, their schedule is mixed with teams from their division, conference, and out of conference. Even in baseball, the longest series' are 4 games, and after that, they move on until a later date. Christian and Sheamus were fighting every week before the Elimination Chamber, and here we are, and the pair are still fighting one another every week, on both Raw and Smackdown. There's no grudge to be settled here, and no gold on the line.

Without those two things, there's no reason for emotional investment from fans. I live in Pittsburgh, and our biggest rivals in football are the Baltimore Ravens. We play them twice a year, and investment is high. But if they were the only team on our schedule, it would be much harder to care.

And so goes it with Sheamus and Christian. Be it Raw or Smackdown, they are the only man on the other's dance card. That's tough to care for much, don't you think? And if you're not watching Raw every week to realize this, it's really not smart practice to be calling others "smarky marks" or "morons", because those terms wind up applying to you, not the people who are responding properly with the cold shoulder.

 

[rbv13]

Just an out of the box thought here. Could some twist in this story line make these two tag partners? I'm not really sure how to bring it together but through the hate they come together and form an alliance.

 

[Hillali2]

We started hating when we got bored of seeing this match over and over again. This match has been over used since Sheamus' return and people are just not interested in seeing them wrestle so they start hating

Could not agree more. Individually I think there both great but we don't need to see them fight every raw/smackdown/ppv. I would have had Christian feud with Ziggler and Sheamus with Sandow.

 

[Rocky84]

I like Sheamus as a person (from what I've seen) but his character as a face is absolutely horrible. I am Just tired of it..he needs a gimmick change asap.

Christian...I like that he's from the old school but I don't get this "Captain Charisma" thing because it couldn't be further from the truth. I also don't get this damn "one more match" thing...doesn't make sense when he's had a million more matches.

As for this fued...pretty obvious that it's worn out by now and I'd be pretty shocked if they had a singles match at Mania.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

I wrote Christian off a few weeks ago, but he's turned it up about a thousand notches after the heel turn. As a face, he was a guy who you felt embarrassed FOR out there. Now he's back to being a slimy little prick who wants to make his presence known because he knows he doesn't have much time left. The constant matches with Sheamus need to stop, but they've been good at least. They took some serious kendo stick shots last night, gotta respect anyone who takes those.

I like Sheamus, and think he's a legit main event player even though many people disagree. My issues with him have less to do with anything he has done, or can or can't do, and more to do w/ Creative. The 1-800 fella thing was atrocious, and he was Cena-lite for a long time, but with the right push behind him I think he's a believable and worthy WWE champion. Theres no room for him up there now, but this time next year will be a different story I think.

 

[Limitless]

Christian was always better as a heel and is much better now, but only because he is a heel. As far as Sheamus goes... well he is just boring. I don't know if it's because he is a face or not, but he doesn't click with me. His look is weird and his matches are sub-par.

Christian was good as a tag team guy, but this far in his career he needs to go back to TNA. Atleast with TNA Christian was a top guy and was actually pretty good with what they gave him.

There is too many WWE "Shows" a week and it seems as though we have seen these two go at it for ever, which kills it. They need to give a more interesting back story or for god's sake give them revamped characters.

 

[oldschool26]

Not a smart move at all putting these guys in a singles match
Against each other at mania. When we see it every week.
Triple h man crush on sheamus must be bigger than thought.

They always make sheamus look super strong.
Was annoying squashing ryback. The smart thing
At mania would have been, since triple h loves sheamus
Is throw him in a cage with lesnar and move taker to
Battle with sting. At the moment its a very average card for
What was supposed to be the greatest mania of all time.
Which should of had, punk and Austin headlining.
With sting vs taker, ryback(face) vs lesnar, team authority vs team Bryan.
Triple h, Shawn Michaels,Kane,del Rio,Christian,sandow vs
Bryan,ziggler, big show, sheamus, rvd,kofi Kingston.
I do like cena and Wyatt.just hope they don't ruin it.
Cesaro,zayne,Dallas,Neville vs swagger,graves,asention
Is wrong. That's not how you push cesaro. Wwe creative wtf are you thinking.
Ambrose vs Langston for both titles is wrong

How ever based on current story lines I really hope that
The card is this.

Wwe heavyweight
Orton vs Batista vs bryan(I see triple h causing a dq with
Bryan, meaning Bryan still gets his shot, they're making him
Way too strong if he beats triple h, Orton, Batista in one night.

Bray Wyatt vs cena(please Wyatt win clean)

Lesnar vs taker(debut sting after)

Bryan vs triple h

Andre memorial
Show.Kane.delrio.sheamus.ryback.sandow.miz.ziggler
Mysterio.Kingston.Christian.axel.rowan.Harper.Bourne.
Sincara.daren young. Titus oniel.Kidd. fandango.rvd
Barrett.rusev.McIntyre.nevill.zayne.graves.Dallas.Viktor.Konnor
(final 4 show,Barrett,sandow,ziggler-barrett wins I hope)

USA
Ambrose vs reigns vs Rollins.
(probably put this higher on the card as it will probably
Be the best match of the night.

Intercontinental
Big e vs Henry vs swagger vs Cesaro
(cesaro gets his push , breaks up with cesaro, giant swing on Henry)

Divas
Aj vs natalya

Goldust vs Rhodes

Pre show
Tag team
Usos vs nao vs los matadors vs truth/woods

 

[jacdnwarrior]

I like Christian, hate his finisher but like him. I think he is underrated and under appreciated. He can have good matches in ring, solid on the mike, good as a face or heel. The WWE should have given him the chance to prove himself when he defeated ADR for the title and have him keep the belt for a month or so rather than have him cough it up to Orton.

Sheamus is good not great, was pushed too soon too fast and was not the most deserving to be in the spot he's was put in (or is in now) but he does the best he can with the talent, look and mike skills he has. I find him more interesting as a heel but to each their own.

Both of these guys just simply are being put on a ferris wheel going around and around with no real idea when the ride is going to end and the fact is there are better ways to use these guys. Christian will never get what he wants or deserves which is be the top guy on SD or Raw, Sheamus has the better opportunity to move ahead to regain some title shot or title run. For now they (and the audience) need to sit through this go nowhere and no need for it all feud they're in.

 

[Trill Co$by]

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For starters I'm pretty sure that the video above proves how over the OMM thing was for Christian. When he was face, the crowd chanted along and when he was face they booed it. They gave him the reactions he sought after, because they wanted him to succeed so much.

Second, along with the CM Punk chant during their match last week, the Shitcago crowd also managed to chant boring during the match... despite the fact that it really wasn't all that boring. In fact, it was probably one of the best matches on the card. Easily one of Sheamus' greatest matches.

And has anyone ever thought that maybe Christian's pay off IS at WrestleMania? Maybe, just maybe, the WWE is going to give Christian the W at the end of the feud and let Christian take that momentum into either a retirement angle or just into a complete retirement. At least, that's what I've taken away from these matches. Though, I also sense a tag match with Christian teaming with Del Rio to take on Ziggler & Sheamus... so who knows. The point being that it's possible Christian's payoff comes later. Also, believe it or not, it is very possible to tell a story with a series of matches and less mic work. In fact, a lot of rivalries happened that way in the "Good ol' Days".

Whoa whoa whoa. Sheamus was everyone's answer to John Cena? Umm. There was this guy named CM Punk who exemplified the term "anti-Cena", you obviously never heard of him. I might be speaking for myself (you should try it sometime) but I've always disliked Sheamus when I didn't fucking hate the douche. I wouldn't ever call Sheamus an answer to the problem that is John Cena, I would call him a horribly botched clone of Cena. When he left because of his injury, he was pushing that fucking stupid hotline so you can call him to save your cat from a tree and watch an old lady try to seduce him. 1-800-FELLA was just as stupid as calling yourself a doctor of "Thuganomics".

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The very second Cena goes through the table, that crowd explodes. Just because you either started watching WWE recently or just have a case of memory loss, doesn't mean Sheamus wasn't where Punk is now. Follow that up with the fact that Sheamus would continue to be cheered for a long while after that, despite being a heel, I think that confirms that he was in fact the perfect anti-Cena at the time. It really wasn't until he beat Daniel Bryan at Mania that people started to get stale with Sheamus, and even then, he was still relatively over with live crowds up until his recent injury. Or did you also forget that people enjoyed his program with Big Show?

 

[Under21Taker21]

I believe sheamus turning heel is what everyone wants to see. If Bryan is to win the title at wrestlemania then have Batista, orton or the authority beat down on him the night after and sheamus makes the save. As they celebrate in the ring have sheamus turn heel and attack Bryan with this setting up Bryan face sheamus heel for extreme rules. Yes this match has happened before but not as sheamus heel. Because of this attack you would have triple h, orton and Batista all turn on each other with one of three becoming a face setting up a triple threat number 1 contenders match at extreme rules. Maybe throw in ric flair as the special guest referee to have the evolution storyline. Christian I believe is done in the main event picture so if the us and ic title are combined and dean Ambrose wins them at wrestlemania turn Christian face setting up that match and have reigns or Rollins cost Ambrose the match starting the feud between the shield.

Bryan vs sheamus WWE WHC

Triple h vs Batista vs orton NO 1 contenders match

Christian vs dean Ambrose us/ic title match