This is pretty simple. I was at work so I had to rely on wz for the results but I have one question what were the big surprises that we're supposed to happen? If its alreay in the actual ppv discussion I'm sorry go ahead and delete. Maybe I missed something but if I didn't then it seems like tna once again didn't follow thru with the hype. I don't think the surprise was sabu seein as how he was a last min replacement and tna has been hypin surprises in store since they came up with this dumb ppv idea. So someone plz fill me in on these surprises.
What were the big "surprises"??
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dionlyone18
Pre-Show Stalwart
the big surpise..the ppv sucked monkey penis....bunch of old farts taking cheap bumps the ppv not even worth watching for free. id rather watch chynas sextape its less painful...oh well...another punchline in what is TNA
Lol @ the big surprise bein the ppv sucked. That shouldn't have been a surprise. And the ex ecw guys that were there sure as hell couldn't have been the surprise. Seriously all the tna marks... Aren't u all tired of all the surprise talk all the time and no delivery? Isn't there a point in time where one just say "ok fuck it??" How often can u make a promise and not deliver?
The big surprise is for TNA management when they find out how little the buy rates actually increased. Honestly they put on matches with a bunch of nobodies that normal wrestling fans didn't give 2 shits about or were jobbed out an unbelievable amount of times (I'm looking at you Justin Credible, the last matches of yours I saw you were jobbing to rookies like CM Punk on ECW week in and week out). There is also a reason the ECW has been called a CULT following, its not mainstream and you can't bank on having millions of fan jump to your cause when you use their old nostalgic wrestlers because A) most of them had their spirits crushed by WWECW B) there weren't a ton of them to begin with and C) people tend to grow up and out of the "fads" that they were into back in the day. Its been nearly 10 years since, let it go people and move on!
Mr_Ratings
Pre-Show Stalwart
Typical TNA haters.... Anyway I thought it was a good PPV. 2 Cold Scorpio looked amazing in his match with CW Anderson. Sabu wrestled a match relatively botch free, therefore the match with RVD was great . Tommy and Raven was awesome.
Lowlight was simon diamond challenging FBI to a dance off. Other than that every match was Ok-Great.
Lowlight was simon diamond challenging FBI to a dance off. Other than that every match was Ok-Great.
How about in Wrestling there isn't anymore surprises.. This isn't the 90's where a guy shows up on another show after being on another one the night before.
Everything now leaks. Seriously does the WWE surprise anyone? No... everything either leaks or its the same BS over and over again.
Same with TNA. Their show is taped so what surprises can you expect? When they have a live show the site is updating every 10 minutes with live backstage updates.
If anything the surprise was the gangstas coming out but like i said today it leaked that New Jack was there. I though Gertner was a nice surprise to, we didn't know he was going to be there.
And if you think that this PPV sucked your probably a major fanboy of WWE. Tonight nothing about this was TNA it was all ECW. Yeah old guys who performed better in 1 night then guys in the WWE doing the exact same shit every week.
Everything now leaks. Seriously does the WWE surprise anyone? No... everything either leaks or its the same BS over and over again.
Same with TNA. Their show is taped so what surprises can you expect? When they have a live show the site is updating every 10 minutes with live backstage updates.
If anything the surprise was the gangstas coming out but like i said today it leaked that New Jack was there. I though Gertner was a nice surprise to, we didn't know he was going to be there.
And if you think that this PPV sucked your probably a major fanboy of WWE. Tonight nothing about this was TNA it was all ECW. Yeah old guys who performed better in 1 night then guys in the WWE doing the exact same shit every week.
I HATE THE PG ERA!!!!!
Dark Match Jobber
Come on, I mean I hate the wwe right now and I was so pumped to order this ppv but reality is it was not that great.
The first couple of matches sucked, sandman didnt do shit, rhino won his match but it wasnt the rhino that was hardcore, overall it was not a great show.
There was only 2 tables used in the whole ppv, ecw matches had almost 2 in every match if not more. It just did not remind me of the old ecw.
The first couple of matches sucked, sandman didnt do shit, rhino won his match but it wasnt the rhino that was hardcore, overall it was not a great show.
There was only 2 tables used in the whole ppv, ecw matches had almost 2 in every match if not more. It just did not remind me of the old ecw.
CJ The Pirate
Schwing
I'm actually pretty humoured by all the TNA fans doing their usual anti-WWE comments in defence of this 'TNA' PPV which had absolutely nothing to do with the TNA product. All that happened last night was the Universal Studios was hired by a different show for one night only with the blessing of their regular occupants. It doesn't matter if Dixie's name was mentioned enough times in thank you messages from the Blue Meanie or the Pitbull or if the TNA logo was on the banners festooned above the arena. This was nothing to do with TNA. So why is everyone so quick to defend it.
Last night was good for nostalgia. Just like Bret Hart returning was in WWE. As far as wrestling skill went, it's not very good. For reliving the past and remembering what you first fell in love with (for Original ECW fans) it was great to see. But just like another poster said, ECW had a small, cult following. TNA can't just claim that as their own.
Last night was good for nostalgia. Just like Bret Hart returning was in WWE. As far as wrestling skill went, it's not very good. For reliving the past and remembering what you first fell in love with (for Original ECW fans) it was great to see. But just like another poster said, ECW had a small, cult following. TNA can't just claim that as their own.
You should read Ferbian's review of the ppv and maybe then you'll be able to understand why a majority of the people on here know it to be a big steaming pile of extreme bullshit. These guys are old, washed up, beaten men who are merely shadows of their former selves due to the intense craziness that they put themselves through during the original ECW and random promotions throughout the years. Most of them are only good when in a match that allows them to use weapons and the "innovative" style of extreme (i.e. Sabu and Sandman) and at this stage in the game it just doesn't come off looking as good as it did a decade ago. Add on to this that we already had 2 nostalgia ppv's for ECW and that a good number of wrestlers that made ECW great in the old days weren't able to or chose not to be involved in the event, including the creator of the whole business, the fans that weren't unbelievably insane ECW fans will tend to get bored with it and feel cheated. This wouldn't normally matter if they could put on a match like they could in their glory days but they can't as I stated earlier. As for your comment about it being better than WWE matches, I would rather watch a 3 minutes Chris Jericho WWE post Y2J match than this whole ppv.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
I've been going around the net and reading various reactions to the ppv and the ppv results in and of themselves. Of course, the hopeless TNA marks loved it, which is somewhat ironic since this ppv had virtually nothing to do with TNA in and of itself. But, of course, since TNA sponsored this little ECW reunion, then . When I refer to "hopeless TNA marks", I refer to the ones that believe that everything TNA does is absolutely epic and the idea of anyone criticizing TNA is analagous to somebody pecker slapping their mother. I believe TNA refers to these particular fans as Cast Members.
As to the big surprise? Nothing so far as I know, at least not by anything I've read. The big surprise should've been Dixie Carter climbing into the ring, grabbing a mic, looking straight into a camera and laughing her ass off before saying "I can't believe I got people to actually pay me to watch this shit!!!"
As to the big surprise? Nothing so far as I know, at least not by anything I've read. The big surprise should've been Dixie Carter climbing into the ring, grabbing a mic, looking straight into a camera and laughing her ass off before saying "I can't believe I got people to actually pay me to watch this shit!!!"
I honestly watch both shows, and if the show last night interested me at all i would have said so.
Last month I promised my husband we would order the next tna pay per view before we all heard on tv what the pay per view would be.
So I said maybe next month.
It's harder and harder to pull off a good show with the amount of the ecw guys just getting too old.
Dreamer I saw him up until last year so I didn't care about seeing him
Sandman Looked like absolute crap. I can't believe he gained THAT much weight
Sabu now I have nothing against sabu but I didn't see him last night so I don't know what shape he was in.
Now the only person I was really excited for was Al Snow coming out with Head.
The show was probably entertaining to some degree but It didn't do anything for TNA
and I don't make a lot of money at my job so to order an event when it's not even for the wrestlers we watch every week is just a waist of money for me.
Last month I promised my husband we would order the next tna pay per view before we all heard on tv what the pay per view would be.
So I said maybe next month.
It's harder and harder to pull off a good show with the amount of the ecw guys just getting too old.
Dreamer I saw him up until last year so I didn't care about seeing him
Sandman Looked like absolute crap. I can't believe he gained THAT much weight
Sabu now I have nothing against sabu but I didn't see him last night so I don't know what shape he was in.
Now the only person I was really excited for was Al Snow coming out with Head.
The show was probably entertaining to some degree but It didn't do anything for TNA
and I don't make a lot of money at my job so to order an event when it's not even for the wrestlers we watch every week is just a waist of money for me.
AmericanDragonSW
Pre-Show Stalwart
I gotta be honest I wasn't expecting a whole lot from this. The only plus to me was that this PPV would give proper closure for ECW and to just let it rest in peace once and for all (And to wash the bad taste out of my mouth left from Vince's crappy vision of ECW). I was stoked about Dreamer and Raven one more time. That is one of my favorite rivalries and I've always loved Tommy Dreamer. You don't get rivalries like that anymore. The kind that last for years. Jerry Lynn getting hurt in my opinion hurt things but having RVD and Sabu fight I felt was just as good. I agree that Scorpio was amazing and I was surprised by that and felt he's still got something left. With regards to the complaints about Sandman and the shape he was in, bear in mind it's the Sandman we're talking about. He wasn't exactly the most in shape guy to start with. Seeing him cane the crap out of Justin Credible was cool and I was surprised with Balls Mahoney (I don't care what he was called) and Axl Rotten reuniting and then more so by the return/reunion of the Gangstas. I wasn't sure what to make of the FBI match because last I saw, Simon Diamond and Swinger were the heels in ECW and going against another heel stable in the FBI? Bottom line the show did the best they could even though to me it wasn't the same without Danny Doring and Road Kill, Paul Heyman and definitely Joey Styles. But this was to me a proper burial for ECW after Vinny Mac had to mutilate and deform it.
first of all i cant take your opinion seriously as i see you;re a warrior fan, so lets start with that.
secondly, the ppv wasnt really that bad, no surprises really, im sure they meant the where are they now vignettes as surprises, and a lot of the talent that wasnt announced which was pretty much everyone but like 10 people.
Im a tna but im not an idiot if you keep falling for the surprise thing, then thats your fault sir.
and lastly and this goes to all the IWC, i am so tired of people looking at the business like they went to college for it. Theres no wrestling promoter degree, so stop acting like you got one, shut the fuck up and enjoy the product, at least some people are trying, or do you wanna pay for a ppv headlined by orton, edge, cena and triple h again? and again... and again
CustardCreamer
New Member
seriously you enjoyed the ppv? it sucked so badly. TThe night was meant to be a ECW night but instead it was just lame old wrestlers not willing to give up. And everyone who hates on WWECW thing look at the one night stand they had where Paul Heyman controlled it all..THAT WAS ECW! Extreme Wrestling that fans got excited about. Extreme was there thing but last night i hardly saw any of that.
On the side yes i like WWE and i watch TNA sometimes after reading the results online to see if its a good show. Why bring WWE into this when is not even a TNA PPV as such. You accuse the WWE as being repeat after repeat but if you actually watched it the Main Events are changing im not saying there great but its the change you people said they needed. Atleast WWE is giving there fans what they want and MAKING MONEY! unlike YNA which is losing money as of late after failing to even get near them in the ratings.
The PPV sucked so deal with it because WWE marks admit when a ppv sucks but TNA marks cant. Its pretty sad really...
On the side yes i like WWE and i watch TNA sometimes after reading the results online to see if its a good show. Why bring WWE into this when is not even a TNA PPV as such. You accuse the WWE as being repeat after repeat but if you actually watched it the Main Events are changing im not saying there great but its the change you people said they needed. Atleast WWE is giving there fans what they want and MAKING MONEY! unlike YNA which is losing money as of late after failing to even get near them in the ratings.
The PPV sucked so deal with it because WWE marks admit when a ppv sucks but TNA marks cant. Its pretty sad really...
I'm a fan of wrestling! I like both TNA and WWE. Sometimes both shows have bad points. But TNA is getting worse all the time. Which is a shame coz I love TNA. I think hardcore justice is a slap in the face to tna talent and to tna fans. It was just a quick scheme to try get ratings. They should have put more effort into bringing the spotlight onto their own product. Even haven a tna and ecw ppv. Inolving their own talent would have been an idea.
Wainy
Occasional Pre-Show
The surprises were the ECW originals, Bill Alfonzo managing both RVD & Sabu, the Gangsters turning up together for the 1st time in years. The problem is, everyone on here read about all of these things on the internet before hand, so there's no surprise. How the fuck are you people not grasping the concept that if you read about something before hand, when you watch it on TV... IT WON'T BE A FUCKING SURPRISE!
jholcomb22
Pre-Show Stalwart
The real surprise is TNA just forfeited the PPV game to WWE. The last TNA PPV was Victory Road. July 11th. Then they give us a month of ECW followed by a PPV for them tonight. The next PPV for TNA is October 10th. Seriously, more than two months without a PPV? In that same amount of time, WWE is giving us 3. And it's not like they are shitty. Summerslam, the second biggest PPV of the year, NOC, where every championship is on the line, and HIAC, where I am guessing the 2 heavyweight championships will be defended in HIAC matches. Good luck surviving that TNA.
Trill Co$by
Believes in The Shield!
Well if you stopped to think... Hardcore Justice last night WAS their August PPV and a week before SS, so how in the blue hell does that equal giving up a month? It gives up a week... and the fact that this Thursday is PPV quality, I see that as their response for NOC, which is played out anyway.
And Bound For Glory will be better than HIAC because of the simple fact that nobody wants to see three PG HIAC matches in one night.
As for the big surprises, I couldn't find any... other than Sabu facing RVD cause I didn't do any pre-reading before the event. Sure it wasn't as awesome as Lynn vs. RVD would've been but it was awesome nonetheless...
Oh yeah, and Kid Kash! I'm a mark for the Kash
wrestlingxp
Dark Match Winner
Was the surprise that they tried to dress up some fat guy and pass him off as the Blue Meanie? Yeah, that was just pathetic. Not even funny. They could have just brought out Nova and left it at that.
All in all this PPV was a complete FAIL. Being a hardcore ECW fan since the very beginning, I was completely disappointed in this. Tommy Dreamer is a favorite of mine, but it seemed like he put everything into his match and failed to worry about the rest of the PPV. That was a big problem, the matches made no sense. Rhyno was the final "ECW" champion and should have had a better match than Al Snow and Spike Dudley. The Simon Diamond (who looked terribly fat) Swinger, Kid Kash match against the FBI was pointless. They also had the arena look dark, and that didn't come off looking very good. Sandman didn't even crush beers on his head (which 'yes' I DO expect, as silly as it sounds). His deal with "PJ Polako" (horrible name) was short and pointless. Taz coming out to "shoot" at the beginning seemed fake and scripted. If you wanted it to feel like ECW, why not let him announce with Gertner atleast? I mean he was an announcer for ECW with Joey Styles quite a bit. The Dudleys match was silly. Why not have the Gangstas involved from the beginning? New Jack shouldve jumped off something. The whole thing just felt thrown together with no real thought. The first One Night Stand had that ECW feeling to it, and was an awesome way to go out, and it shouldve ended right there. This did nothing for the memory of ECW. The highlight was RVD vs. Sabu, but that wasn't enough to save this PPV. WE should have known without Heyman involved, it wouldn't be worth watching...
All in all this PPV was a complete FAIL. Being a hardcore ECW fan since the very beginning, I was completely disappointed in this. Tommy Dreamer is a favorite of mine, but it seemed like he put everything into his match and failed to worry about the rest of the PPV. That was a big problem, the matches made no sense. Rhyno was the final "ECW" champion and should have had a better match than Al Snow and Spike Dudley. The Simon Diamond (who looked terribly fat) Swinger, Kid Kash match against the FBI was pointless. They also had the arena look dark, and that didn't come off looking very good. Sandman didn't even crush beers on his head (which 'yes' I DO expect, as silly as it sounds). His deal with "PJ Polako" (horrible name) was short and pointless. Taz coming out to "shoot" at the beginning seemed fake and scripted. If you wanted it to feel like ECW, why not let him announce with Gertner atleast? I mean he was an announcer for ECW with Joey Styles quite a bit. The Dudleys match was silly. Why not have the Gangstas involved from the beginning? New Jack shouldve jumped off something. The whole thing just felt thrown together with no real thought. The first One Night Stand had that ECW feeling to it, and was an awesome way to go out, and it shouldve ended right there. This did nothing for the memory of ECW. The highlight was RVD vs. Sabu, but that wasn't enough to save this PPV. WE should have known without Heyman involved, it wouldn't be worth watching...
i think he means, for TNA fans, the logical ones, who watch TNA for there talent, aka AJ Styles Kurt Angle Kaz Jay L, Bear Money MCMG, that it was an ECW payperveiw, basicly they should of called it Hardcore Over 40s, because for the exeption of Team 3D, none of those guys can do it, new jack ofc is awsome. but hed of got a simaler pop in the impact zone on a normal night, what they did wrong is, they hired tommy dreamer, who, sadly has more heart than brains, who seen the opertunity to get some of his old buddys a pay check, cool as it seems, not when its idiots that pay for its money your stealing, because TNA took a perfectly good thing, and ripped its heart out and all for a few percent extra buys, your miles behind WWE, and thats how its gonna stay,
BTW Dixie, Vince said thanks, sales in ECW Dvds just fuckin shoot trew the roof with your broadcasting of how it changed the landscape of profesional wrestling,
so dose your lame attempted at making wrestling shows. TNA is dead.
BTW Dixie, Vince said thanks, sales in ECW Dvds just fuckin shoot trew the roof with your broadcasting of how it changed the landscape of profesional wrestling,
so dose your lame attempted at making wrestling shows. TNA is dead.
The Best At What I Do
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Hmmmm I'm guessing that last part was a mathematical equation:
Every match = Ok - Great
So if every match was ok minus great then they were in the ballpark of bad to shitty. From the reviews I've been reading that seems pretty spot-on.
Also, how can we be considered being TNA haters when we're bashing a PPV that had essentially nothing to do with TNA? This was an ECW show through and through.
Liquid Smallz
Dark Match Jobber
Yea I didn't see any surprises... I mean they said they called up every ECW original so everybody was expecting anybody from the old promotion.
That PPV sucked what a horrible way to leave a lasting memory on a promotion but whatever.
That PPV sucked what a horrible way to leave a lasting memory on a promotion but whatever.
Shock and awe! Dixie Carter and the TNA organization has promised a big surprise, gotten the TNA faithful and the IWC all excited in anticipation, and lo and behold, there's no surprise. At times, some of you may have noticed, I tend to be a tad critical of the TNA product, but this is by far and away my biggest criticism of TNA, their continued promise of surprises which they don't even attempt to deliver upon. For months now, Dixie Carter and others continue to deliberately mislead the public to trick them into purchasing a PPV they would otherwise never buy. I think it's terrible. It's deceitful and a show of desperation if you asked me.
And I love reading the posts from the TNA marks attempting to defend this abomination of a PPV. Any positives drawn from the PPV (which honestly, I could not find any), are being attributed to TNA and Dixie Carter. A great idea by Carter to pay tribute to ECW in this manner. Any negatives to be mentioned about the PPV (almost the entire show) were, of course, not TNA's fault or Dixie's fault because, after all, this show was ECW and had nothing to do with TNA, and didn't even feature TNA talent. Talk about "wanting to have your cake and eat it too".
Personally, I believe this train wreck was flawed from the outset and once TNA realized this and it was too late to retreat from it, they put no thought or effort into it and allowed it to be as bad as it could be. This will, by default, make their "free PPV" episode of iMPACT this week look that much better, as well as future PPV's. Because after putting off what could be argued to be one of the, if not the, worst PPV of all time, there's nowhere to go but up. Way up. And if not, TNA is in more trouble than I thought.
Shakin' Abe
Pre-Show Stalwart
For an old schooler like me, it was fun to watch and sad to watch at the same time. These guys, more so than other wrestlers show their age and the effects of the hard core style they live and lived. The show was entertaining from start to finish so my hat goes off to them. Will any of the guys get a second, or third chance? Doubtful but maybe that wasn't the point. Anything anti-Vince works for me these days.
Its amazing how everybody has a opinion and really in the end no one posting on this topic is right. Look if you think that this was going to be a ECW PPV from the 90's then you were disappointed, if you hate TNA and from what I've read there are a lot of you here then you nit picked the hell out of it before it even came on. If you don't like the product of TNA then stop posting about it. It is that black and white.
