What The Hell Was That All About ????

[sports_fan_2007]

Ok Ill admit to my mistake i meant to say detroit "which is in" his home state

 

[ProWrestling'sBrain]

I think we're definitely over analyzing here.

First of all, what ever gave you the idea that RVD was brought in as punishment by Vince McMahon? What evidence proves just that? As I recall, Mr. Van Dam actually looked good out there. And also, why the hell would RVD agree to doing the appearance if he is getting punished? Come on now, how does that make sense at all? Above all I never read any news articles or heard rumors or any evidence to give your claims much credibility. It all sounds like a big random thought.

Yes, at the time it was reported all across the internet that RVD left in good terms with the company. If that's not the case why was Vince trying desperately to please him & reaching out to him to extend his WWE contract? Above all, why did RVD agree to make the Raw XV Anniversary and Royal Rumble appearances? Trust me here man, if there is some bad blood between RVD and Vince McMahon, RVD would be the first to know about it, not you or any of us here which is why I'd wait until I hear it from the horse's mouth. Based on all evidence since his departure it suggests he left in good terms with the company and he even stated he is open to a POSSIBLE WWE return. Yeah, someone who agreed to make an appearance at the Royal Rumble just to get punished (lol) publicly stated on numerous of occasions he is open to possibly returning.

I realize that he left the company on bad terms before, but either way what was the point in that whole deal?

I know it was already answered for you but I'll repeat it for you . RVD never left in bad terms. While apart of Paul Heyman's ECW, RVD did make appearances on WWF TV. If that's not good enough for you, he signed a WWF contract a couple years later and eventually became the company's champion. I'm telling you he NEVER left in bad terms. He got suspended for getting busted with pot. Usually when a superstar gets caught with weed they receive a fine however at the time RVD was the promotion's champion! He was making headlines in the news and the word was getting out everywhere. I'm sure Vince could care less if he smokes weed however the press was considered as an embarrassment to the company and they were forced to take action. Note Sabu was appearing regularly on ECW after the bust but it's another thing if it's your promotion's champion, the man who at the time was representing the WWE and I'm sure the WWE doesn't want to look as if their roster/superstars consist of druggies which is understandable from a business aspect. Because of that RVD was stripped from the WWE & ECW championships and had to job out more than usual. After awhile RVD's losing streak ended and he even won his match & stood victorious at WrestleMania. Going on into WWE One Night Stand I don't remember hearing anything regarding beef with RVD backstage. His contract was up and he decided not to resign.

Let me ask you this. Seeing Jeff Hardy failed 2 drug tests in the past, does it indicate he is still in bad terms with the WWE? Or what if he decides not to resign once his contract is up this year. Will that automatically determine he's in bad terms with the WWE? Although The Honky Tonk Man made an appearance at the WWE Hall Of Fame this year and the WWE is still releasing his action figures, I guess he is in the shit hole with the WWE simply because he made a brief appearance at the 2001 Royal Rumble. Right?

I just do not understand your logic, at all. It's not based on any evidence what so ever nor were there any news or rumors to back up your claims. Like I said, if RVD is in the shit hole with the WWE, why would he publicly state he is open to possibly returning one day? Unless you want to tell me YOU are the only one in this entire world that is aware of his "heat".

Please try not to flame me, not like that will help your credibility.

 

[GJM316]

Too be honest I have chuckled my way throughout this whole 'discussion' simply because Game Rage just comes across as a child with an axe to grind about McMahon. Pointless really. It seems that McMahon has personally insulted Rage at some point...very unlikely but hey, Rage did say he was in the business after all. Maybe McMahon himself promised Game Rage the stars and then tugged the rug from under his feet. Who knows? (By the way, tongue firmly planted in my cheek whilst typing that!)

The point is Rage, my young man, if you want people to respect your opinions and posts, grow up. People will always have different opinions to you and even if you can systematically disect an arguement piece by piece, it doesnt mean you should. Not one other person who has posted agrees with you, full stop. Consequently maybe you should admit to yourself "ok, maybe my theory is a little out of whack, I'll do a bit more research about the actual event I posted on, not just one person behind it (which you have droaned on about in great detail which has impressed no one here) and come back with either more evidence to back up my claim or leave it be". Everyone here has their opinion on what truly happened, most people thinking your theory is completely wrong. However, only VKM and RVD truly know what indeed is going on.

Speaking of all this literature you have read on Vince McMahon, may I ask what did you actually read? Books? Journals? Website articles? Press releases? What genuine piece of evidence do you have to back up your claims about this 'Monster McMahon'? ISBN numbers would be benificial because to be honest I quite fancy reading all this info myself. Sure, I think we can all agree that he is no angel, but he is a businessman and a self made billionaire and in business you have to be ruthless. But some of the claims you have made are really uncalled for in my opinion.

 

[OIL]

It was his hometown, and he was open to it. Quite simple really. It happens every year with the Rumble. Random wrestlers return just for the apperance. That's all it was, a nice treat for the fans in attendance.

Remember Piper & Snuka made an appearance at the Rumble before that. Obviously RVD returning could give people some ideas, but he's happy retired. Saying that, a reduced schedule wouldn't be out of the picture in my opinion.

 

[MikeKillam]

You're being totally ridiculous. Royal Rumble was hosted very near Rob Van Dam's home town. This year, with a bunch of people out, and the other title matches, they were short on popular superstars to wrestle in the Rumble. RVD is on very good terms with the WWE and they called him to wrestle that one night because he was the hometown hero...
RVD was the one who left. If he wanted to come back, WWE would make him an offer immediately.

 

[FromTheSouth]

Also, don't get it confused, Vince McMahon will bring virtually anyone back that he feels he can make some money off of.

He did not advertise RVD's appearance. RVD didn't show up again. How did Vince make money off of him?

His wife really does have cancer, and RVD has become an advocate for the use of medicinal marijuana. His crusade is to help stop suffering, and while noble, Vince can't use him as he promotes drug free athletes.

As a one time showing, it is nothing more than a free pay day for RVD in appreciation of his service and a surprise treat for the fans for the appreciation of their money.

There have always been surprise Rumble entrants. Every year, at least one name from the past enters. Mr. Perfect even parlayed an impressive Royal Rumble surprise into a few weeks on TV. The Rumble is a fun event. There is nothing else like it (except for TNA's gauntlet rip off matches) and one of the most fun aspects is the surprise of who might show up.

 

[SavageTaker]

Ok fucktard,

Was there a need for flaming? I didn’t flame you and you shouldn’t flame me.

maybe in short bus land 11 months is a long extended period of time, but here in the real world it goes by in the blink of an eye. After loosing his titles and being suspended there wasn't much of a course of recovery for RVD. After being strung along for a while, and after it was made quite apparent his previous success was not to be met again, with the impending problems outside of his wrestling career he was gone, and no one was exactly kicking and screaming for him to stay. It wasn't exactly a great way to go out by the standards of most people, and with the exception of that one night at Royal Rumble he was never to return, which led to the question why one would be brought back for one night only to begin with.

But you see, RVD may not have been holding a World Title anymore or anytime soon, but after he came back from his suspension he was still very successful. As soon as he came back he was involved in the ECW Title picture and even challenged for the title a few times. He never won the title but he was still contending for the title.

Afterwards, he stayed out of the title picture. But you know what; he was involved in a major feud. He was involved in the ECW Originals vs. The New Breed. They went on to wrestle at Wrestlemania. After the whole feud between the Originals and New Breed was over, do you know what happened? He went right back to challenging for the ECW Title. He might have lost, but it showed that he was still a main eventer on ECW.

He finally left the WWE once he found out his wife had cancer. He basically let his contract expire. His last match was against Randy Orton.

So I think I have proven my point that even after he was suspended he was still very successful. Maybe he didn’t have the success that he did before his suspension, but he was still very successful.

As far as why he was brought for that one night, for the sake of surprising the crowd. The majority of people didn’t know that he going to be there so the WWE surprised them by having RVD come out as a surprise entrant.

Maybe in your pea brain that is enough rationale to substantiate the definition of "good terms" however his willingness to come back for that one night only, and their willingness to have him back for one night has nothing to do with the terms of separation.

Let’s see, that’s twice you’ve insulted me now, for now absolute reason…

I still think that he’s on good terms with the company or at least good enough terms to do business with them. If he wasn’t then he wouldn’t have been brought back twice after his release as a surprise.

His willingness says nothing about the situation because anyone who received an offer from the WWE to do anything with them and turned it down would be an idiot, especially considering the fact that his wife indeed did have health issues that can be rather costly.

Do you know that RVD made his wrestling debut in 1990? Wouldn’t you think that he would he burnt out considering the fact that he was never a guy to take extended leave of absences? I would definitely think so. Also, you have to remember the fact that his body went to hell and back when he was in the original ECW. Finally, he has been wrestling for over 15 years, don’t you think he might have saved a lot of the money he made considering the fact that he worked for the WWE for over 5 years? I’m sure in those 5 years he made enough money to be financially secure for many years to come, even if something were to come up such as his wife being diagnosed with cancer.

As far as their willingness goes, it also says nothing about the terms of separation because if you had a brain,

I do have a brain sir.

you'd know that the WWE will make money or use someone for anything at any time, especially when there is no long term commitment involved. Of course they would be willing to bring him in for one night knowing there was no long term risk involved, it's good business for them, and a paycheck for him. Take a while for you to figure that out?

How would they make money if the majority of people didn’t know he was going to be on the show? If more people knew that he was going to be on then there’s a possibility that they would have made money because some people would have ordered the pay per view to see him. It’s like they basically gave him a piece of the pie from the money they get from the buys the Royal Rumble did for nothing in return.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe up and leaving for any purpose after all the investment they put into him could have left a sour face on some of the establishment, no, because you couldn't think that deeply about a situation could you? It's not plain and obvious or out in the open, it's an idea a concept, something you have to grasp and try to understand. I understand, that obviously you are somewhat challenged in the head, which is the reason I have to explain all this so redundantly to you in an attempt to bash some fucking sense into you hoping you can at some point understand what the hell I was talking about, instead of trying to fucking berate me for having an original thought, something you obviously are incapable of.

Let’s see, 3 times you’ve insulted me already. You are lucky if none of the mods see this. And no one is berating you. I don’t know why you feel that way. If you can’t handle being on a discussion forum then you need to leave, because everyone comes in here to discuss stuff. There’s people that are bound to disagree with you and will debate with you on it. And see the same goes for you, I had a thought and your trying to berate me for it.

First off, I never said that, that wasn't a reason for his leaving. However the point I tried to make in fewer words in regards to the situation with him getting in trouble, being suspended, and stripped was that that was a situation he wasn't recovering from anytime soon.

But he did recover. As a matter of fact I’ve already pointed out earlier in my post and proven that he did indeed recover.

It was a black mark on his record that had to have haunted him until he finally did leave, and by the way there are also indirect ways a company can try to force someone out if they feel they are too high risk, for instance not letting them return to their previous status and holding them down unnecessarily.

If holding me down means getting to challenge multiple times for the top title of a brand and working at Wrestlemania, then I want to join that company.

Part of the point I made was this: Due to his past problems with drugs the WWE wasn't rolling the dice on him again, you see, as stated before he wasn't going to return to the kind of success he had previously as a result of his actions and their consequences. There wasn't much for him to stick around for anyways, that is how that affected his departure, the situations had a relation. Think of it as the first domino to fall in a domino effect, it was the first thing in a series of events leading to his departure. Think before you open your mouth and shit out a bunch of unintelligible words in an un-thought-out, poorly argued commentary.

No, the situation didn’t have any effect. If it did then The Brian Kendrick would have been fired long ago because he’s also a pot smoke. In the WWE all you get is a fine. The only reason he was in suspended was because he was caught with drugs. If he wasn’t caught by the police then he would have still been holding a World title for some times.

I don’t think you understand the fact that he was not leaving until he found out his wife had cancer. His contract was set to expire and once he found out his wife had cancer, he decided to not resign. It pretty plain and simple really.

And you really should take your own advice.

I'm pretty sure I answered this well enough above but since I have very little faith in your comprehension skills I'll go further with it.

I really don’t know what your problem is. Maybe you take everything to serious?

You see in real life the things we do effect out decisions, actions, and even sometimes intentions down the road. After falling from grace as he did, and as I put it before being strung along for the rest of his time, and knowing he wasn't getting back to the top, his issues outside of the ring took on a greater importance. His problems with drugs caused the events that eventually made him decide to send himself packing.

No it didn’t. He left because his wife had cancer and he needed to be by her side. That’s what any good husband would do. He wasn’t going to leave his wife for most of the week and year when she needed him the most.

And just so you don't get it confused I am not saying that his suspension had anything to do with his wife's cancer in the regards of me saying his suspension caused the events that eventually made him decide to leave. To put it plainer, knowing he was out of luck with the people at WWE, it was no longer worth it to stay there any longer with his wife's illness apparently worsening or getting to the point that he needed to be there for her more. Can you even follow that or was that too confusing for you? Take the pieces, put them together, and get a fucking clue.

But see, he was on the verge of resigning and decided not to once he found out his wife had cancer.

Also, what do you mean he out of luck with people in the WWE. Even after Paul Heyman left he was still getting title shots for the ECW title and he got to work at Wrestlemania. If he was out of luck then he would have been buried week after week after week. Which clearly wasn’t the case.

Now I'm really gonna have some fun with you as here you make it more apparent that you have a condition of diarrhea of the mouth, and not enough brains to adequately argue a point.

I think that would be you not me.

Vince would do so to rub it in that he blew it. Why? Because he's a sick bastard that's why. I'm not talking about the Mr.McMahon character either, Vince McMahon himself is a rather evil individual and does get some kicks from watching the pain of others, or showing them their failures. How do I know this, the aftermath of Bret Hart's departure from WWE where he continued to make sure he was bashed and humiliated, that's how. He likes to make an example of people and show them that he has the power to make or break them.

You do know everything that happened after the Bret Hart incident was done because it helped him not because he wanted to humiliate Bret. Once Bret got screwed, that’s when the Mr. McMahon character was created. And he ran with it. He had to do what he had to do because it helped the company.

Not bringing him back would be letting him off easy as he wouldn't get a first hand experience of the limelight and glory he was missing out on. How is that tough thing to understand? It's like if you bring a homeless man into your mansion and let him stay for a day to be pampered and then kick him back out on the streets, he would then know what he was missing out on, and what he wishes he had making it more abysmal to be on the streets, or to make it simpler for you, let him know what he's missing out on.

Which bring me back to what I said earlier, why would he let him relive everything he left. It seems rather silly he would pay him to come back and see what he left even though he has made it clear multiple times he doesn’t want to return to wrestling full time.

As far as the whole thing making Vince look stupid once again you couldn't be farther off. It makes him look powerful. He can bring him in just as easily as he can discard them. He can give them a moment of glory, and take it away. He shows the fans that he controls the business and these peoples careers, that doesn't make him look stupid. So far the only one looking stupid is you, and rightfully so, you earned it. See, being powerful is a lot like being a gentlemen; if you have to tell people you are, than you aren't, and Vince doesn't have to tell anyone, he shows it. This is just another more proving so, and would also be an example to all the wrestlers in the locker room that you don't fuck up on Vince McMahon's watch. Also, him paying RVD for a night is not stupid either, it's like the mafia don giving someone their last meal before they send them on a trip they'll never return from. You have to think like the sick fuck that is Vince McMahon to understand it, not like you who lacks the I.Q. and thinking ability to comprehend this concept.

Yeah because you know Vince McMahon enough to form an opinion on him. Unless you have ever met Vince and worked for him for more than a month, then what you just said is nothing but an opinion that can only be proven by one way.

Your last paragraph might have saved you a bit if you would have thought about what you were saying before you said it because you would have realized the point you were missing. If he has a guy mysteriously show up it does make him money.

No it doesn’t because the majority of people don’t know he is showing up. If people do know then there will be some people who will order the pay per view to see him, therefore making Vince money.

You only valid point was that advertising the appearance would be a good idea but that is where you are missing the value of shock. If no one expects it, the moment becomes a spectacle. By his appearing that makes people wonder, and in wonderment they ask themselves if this person could possibly be returning. With that question looming in mind that would lead the individual or more accurately stated more individual's to watch Raw or ECW or Smackdown as they awaited the return of the long gone superstar. People who watched the event would tell people they know about it, it get's reported on websites like wrestlezone, and a buzz gets created about the possible situation, that only McMahon and his cohorts know is not going to happen but make people watch his programming to see. That is business smarts, and smarts all together. Unfortunately you lack all of it. I wouldn't say something unless there was or could be some validity to it, and Vince McMahon being Vince McMahon is capable of doing just about anything which is why it would not have been surprising to me if for some reason in his sick twisted mind he thought of this whole thing as some kind of punishment.

Everyone knows that it isn’t going to happen because the WWE announces via their website that the person has resigned with the company. No one actually expects for them to stay long term. Everyone knows that they are brought in just for nostalgia.

In closing you have now made me be very rude, and tear you apart because you decided to come after me and my simple assumption or query about a situation that didn't make much sense to me at first glance, rather than maybe take a few things into consideration, think about what I said, or think about the situation I was referring to at all. Instead like a moron you just shot off at the mouth and have now been reduced to nothing. I hope you enjoyed your effortless thrashing, and learn to think before you open you mouth again. Have a Nice Day.

You know for some who likes to flame and insult people for no reason, maybe you need to take your own advice and have a nice day!

 

[gd]

It was just a one time thing. RVD isn't coming back full time because his wife has health issues. It was just a fun thing that they do at the rumble, usually there are a few surprise guys in it every year just to make it more interesting. I'm not going to bother reading the whole thread, but it sounds like you're saying Vince blackballed RVD or something like that? If you are, that's a stupid thing to say, he just brought him back for nostalgia.

 

[The Roid Rage]

This is for all of you who so fervently have decided to misinterpret anything and everything I've said, chosen only to focus on how horribly I humiliated TS, and paid no attention to the logical, thought out, and explained scenarios I explained.




sports_fan_2007

First of all sir, how are you equipped to say anything about me? You read one thread where I lashed out with the dark side and think you can form a valid opinion from that? That is a tactical error, and you should really check yourself. I am not childish, I am not immature, I am not stupid, and I am not the person to try and go to war with as you have seen.

As for you Rage, doesn't the fact that you are the only one to see this shit suggest that you are wrong? Nobody else seems to see this situation.

The problem that lies herein with that is that no one seems to care to accept the possibility that there could be any truth to anything I said , or that the situation is at all feasible. Rather, you and everyone else seem more intent on trying to make an asshole out of me in any way possible, and so I gave you some ammunition to do so since you wanted it so badly. I noted from the git go it was unlikely but possible, and as I put it, it was a question more than a proclamation. My response was due to someone trying to act like I was an idiot for being able to map out the situation into a possible real life scenario.

If Vince intended on proving a point, didn't it fail?

It may have or may not have, it wasn't meant to be a spoken message rather than an example in the context of how I laid out the situation.

you seem to have the social skills of a home schooled kid.

No, you couldn't be further off. I just am not about to let someone try to spin my words to make me look stupid. If that wasn't the intention, that was the result, and when you do that to someone, particularly me, you will receive a response in kind, and rightfully so. You act like I am wrong for being upset about someone taking what I said for something it wasn't.

If he ended on bad terms, clearly those incidents are things of the past as he has made appearances after his departure.

But part of the points I was making was that money and good business rule over everything, especially with Vince McMahon. If he could bank on someones appearance no matter his relationship with them or personal opinion of them, he will. How is that such a far out statement?

First of all, what ever gave you the idea that RVD was brought in as punishment by Vince McMahon? What evidence proves just that?

It wasn't something that could be proven, It was a concept as I pointed out many times, maybe you didn't read that and just decided to join in on the bashing of me as it looked like the safe way, or cool thing to do at the moment. I gave reasons why that could have been a possibility ok, I never said this is this and that's all there is to that. The thing I tried to impress is that while they might have not been bitter enemies, it was quite possible for obvious reasons that they could have been a little upset with his decision.

As I recall, Mr. Van Dam actually looked good out there. And also, why the hell would RVD agree to doing the appearance if he is getting punished?

RVD always looks good out there anyways, he's just that good.The whole idea was that it wouldn't be something he knew about directly though. It would be a silent punishment. If I wanted to lead you into a scenario that was going to make you long for what I could offer why would I tell you that was my intention? I wouldn't. The point was that McMahon could bring him in, make some money off of the appearance, and in the meantime in his mind deliver this punishment to him, showing him what he is missing and reminding him of what might have been, it's a mental punishment.

Come on now, how does that make sense at all? Above all I never read any news articles or heard rumors or any evidence to give your claims much credibility. It all sounds like a big random thought.

Ya know what's funny is that, that is exactly what it was, a big random thought. Conceptualized ideas that could in fact have some truth to them. I never said it was what happened, or that because I said so it had to be what happened. I probed the possibility of it happening. Others chose to take it literal and as some kind of far out rationalization.

I guess he is in the shit hole with the WWE simply because he made a brief appearance at the 2001 Royal Rumble. Right?

I never made appearing at the Royal Rumble a case for being in the shit hole with WWE, that just happened to be where the one appearance from the man of topic took place. You and many others have from the start only taken my words for what you wanted them to mean not what I meant them to.

I just do not understand your logic, at all. It's not based on any evidence what so ever nor were there any news or rumors to back up your claims.

I actually used tons of stuff to back up my ideas. Unfortunately I am privy to some information that is vital to my case that many of you apparently are not. More than that, anything I brought forth was rejected with insolence and stubbornness because of a biased opinion towards me. I was destined to loose the minute you all shut your ears and opened your mouths.

Game Rage just comes across as a child with an axe to grind about McMahon.

That's funny because I stated that I love Vince McMahon. He's a business genius, a master promoter, and one hell of a character in the wrestling world. However, there is a lot about him that not only I but many of you would probably find to be very despicable. He is kind of a sick guy, he is mean spirited in a lot of way, and he does get kicks from ruining people when it's to his benefit. I have no axe to grind with him, I only stated information about him that is new to many of you, things you aren't used to hearing about him, and so it strikes all of you as libel from a guy who doesn't like him. Hell, I did a college report on Vince McMahon and gave a 45 minute speech about him and how he changed the business. I am a big fan, I just know that there is a lot of skeletons in his closet.

Consequently maybe you should admit to yourself "ok, maybe my theory is a little out of whack

That's what you all missed, it was supposed to be. I only presented the idea as a jumping off point to the thread. It wasn't until someone decided to make my statements out to be something they weren't that I had defend the possibility of said argument.

Speaking of all this literature you have read on Vince McMahon, may I ask what did you actually read? Books? Journals? Website articles? Press releases? What genuine piece of evidence do you have to back up your claims about this 'Monster McMahon'?

Sex, Lies and Headlocks. Great Book. You'll learn more about the business and Vince McMahon than you'd like to I guarantee. Beyond that I have heard many things from sources ranging from shoot interviews, stories on the web, sories from former employees, and some of it he himself has displayed for all of you to see on television and with the decisions he's made in his programming and storylines. There are sources all over the place, all you have to do is read. Consequently I have used so many sources I can't remember them all but I have still provided you now with a couple good ones. Bret Hart's book is a great tell all source, and he reveals plenty as well about Vince and the rest of the wrestlers he's worked with. For instance, Did any of you know that Jim Neidhart and Dave "british bulldog" Smith were crack heads, alcoholics, pill popers, and steroid freaks, or that in the match between Bret Hart and British Bulldog at Wembley Arena, bulldog had memory loss and forgot how to wrestle from being on a crack binge days before? That's just a tidbit of info, imagine how much more you will know after you do some reading yourself.

As soon as he came back he was involved in the ECW Title picture and even challenged for the title a few times. He never won the title but he was still contending for the title.

Exactly, never won the title back. Was kept in the picture, but made to loose over and over and over. That's quite a fall from grace if you ask me. And that would be quite a punishment in and of itself. Knowing you are more than able to carry the company or it's major titles, knowing the fans want to see it, and also knowing that because of your actions it's not going to happen, knowing that you had it all but you screwed it up.

Afterward, he stayed out of the title picture. But you know what; he was involved in a major feud. He was involved in the ECW Originals vs. The New Breed.

And instead of being on Raw was sent to ECW right? Right. That is a demotion, he was in a big feud on the worst show, that's not exactly the success he had before now is it? So how was I wrong? That was all I said, you and others tried to take my words to some extreme opposite.

He went right back to challenging for the ECW Title. He might have lost, but it showed that he was still a main eventer on ECW.

Once again, point being he was sent down to ECW. Demoted. What a success huh?

Maybe he didn’t have the success that he did before his suspension

No, he most definitely did not have the success he did before suspension. Thank you , you finally admit what I was saying all along.

I still think that he’s on good terms with the company or at least good enough terms to do business with them.

As long as he has a heartbeat he's on good enough terms to do business, the fact that you "think" he's on good terms or anyone else "thinks" he is is irrelevant. Your argument to support your case is that if he wasn't they wouldn't have brought him back for the Rumble, or the Raw anniversary. My argument is, That no matter what his relations yes they would because A. Money Talks, B. He's one of the only people that can still go they can get, C. In Vince's mind it might convince him to come back hence the idea of it being punishment D. his appearance alone will boost rating which equal dollars. Somehow all of that isn't enough to convince any of you of anything, and I am the unreasonable one somehow.

Finally, he has been wrestling for over 15 years, don’t you think he might have saved a lot of the money he made considering the fact that he worked for the WWE for over 5 years?

Not necessarily, it is common knowledge that a lot of these guys mismanage their funds through the years on the road, and spending it lavishly. None of us really know what he did with his money so I think it would be fair to question maybe he agreed to come back because he needed some money, or even if he didn't that it would be a great help to him as medical bills from cancer treatment are very expensive. So, I bring forth further evidence to support my claims and still you accuse me of ludicy and my ideals as being off the wall and just flat out wrong. And still I am supposed to be the dumb, childish, and unreasonable one. You have all been so stubborn to pay attention to details, facts, and common sense but accuse me of being immature. I have taken all your evidence into account and counter argued it masterfully, you have been like fledgling children refusing to listen to any logic.

How would they make money if the majority of people didn’t know he was going to be on the show?

I explained this a few times. His appearance would create a buzz word of mouth, on the internet, and so on. Most people wouldn't know that it was just a special appearance and that would make people wonder if he's coming back. In their bewilderment that would make more people watch Raw, ECW, and Smackdown in the coming weeks to see if he shows up there. How is that a far out, unreasonable idea? That makes sense, and is actually apart of business promotion and marketing which is used all around the world. Anticipation sells.

But he did recover. As a matter of fact I’ve already pointed out earlier in my post and proven that he did indeed recover

No, you proved my points exactly. That he was never able to reclaim the success he had before. Recovery would have been to do just that but he didn't.

If holding me down means getting to challenge multiple times for the top title of a brand and working at Wrestlemania, then I want to join that company

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Yeah that is holding you down because had you been RVD at the time, you would have been the guy people wanted to see as champion, very able bodied to be just that, and not allowed to due to your own mistakes. that is what it means to be strung along as I put it.

No, the situation didn’t have any effect.

Obviously it did. Had he been champion at the time it would have been much more difficult to leave as he would have a responsibility to the company to carry it and defend it. Of course he would have been able to leave still but it would have taken longer, he would have had to drop the belt, and it would have been a bigger deal all around. However, since as we've established he wasn't going any further for quite some time, wasn't going to be pushed back up, and may have been a little burned out as you stated earlier it was that much easier to leave. Those situations were all results of his actions prior which obviously did have an effect on his decision. He needed to leave to be with his wife right? well as I put it above that would have been a harder decision had he been at the top of his game because he would have been giving up much more, due to the fact that he was reduced to a jobber, the choice was obvious.

Also, what do you mean he out of luck with people in the WWE.If he was out of luck then he would have been buried week after week after week. Which clearly wasn’t the case.

Actually, you said yourself that was the case. He was kept in the title picture because before being stripped of the titles and suspended he was obviously the champion and a fan favorite. You can't just make a guy like that suddenly start loosing to mid carders and so on. He had to be kept up there for his popularity alone, he isn't as marketable as a chump, so they keep the perception that he is still championship material. Common sense both fan wise and business wise. How come all of this is somehow outlandish and nonsensical? Because I said it in a heated conversation where you were dead set on making me look the fool, and trying to refute anything I said rather than acknowledging the factual nature of my words.

You do know everything that happened after the Bret Hart incident was done because it helped him not because he wanted to humiliate Bret. Once Bret got screwed, that’s when the Mr. McMahon character was created. And he ran with it. He had to do what he had to do because it helped the company.

Do you seriously believe that? Are you so naive as to believe that McMahon harbored no ill will towards Bret Hart after he spit on him, punched him in the face, and threatened him? Of course he did, once again this is just common sense. You'd be fooling yourself to believe that none of that stuff was meant to be hurtful and further humiliate Bret Hart. Of course it did help McMahon and he knew it would but that was just a plus in the scenario. He wanted to make Bret look like a has been or a joke since he wasn't with his company anymore and was in fact working for the competition that was hammering him at the time, of course he was vengeful, that's not out of context at all. Many of us would have probably done the same given the circumstances. Also it is common knowledge that McMahon likes to bury those who leave his company. It has been talked about on here plenty of times.

Unless you have ever met Vince and worked for him for more than a month, then what you just said is nothing but an opinion that can only be proven by one way

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Then by your thinking how could you or anyone here really form an opinion about me? You don't know me, you haven't met me, but because I have said things you don't like, you have chosen to paint a picture of me that is false. You don't have to directly know anyone to know what they are like, if you did, how would you know anything about anyone you were ever talking about? This is just another proof of what I was saying about you not thinking your words through.

Everyone knows that it isn’t going to happen because the WWE announces via their website that the person has resigned with the company. No one actually expects for them to stay long term. Everyone knows that they are brought in just for nostalgia.

Oh does everybody? or is that your assumption? A one night appearance wouldn't warrant a newsflash about the individuals departure. Furthermore, I already explained how his sudden appearance would ignite wonderment in the average fan that makes the most of the fan base, making them want to see if RVD will in fact be coming back, making them watch more of the programming in the following weeks. The mistake you made was assuming that everybody would know it was just a one time appearance, I can see why you would. Most of us are smarks, it is common knowledge to most of us, but as I said to the average fan it isn't. Rational would tell you then, that the added interest and anticipation would boost rating, and rating equal money.



Now, I have answered all questions, all accusation, and given answers that should easily suffice. If you can't figure out where I was coming from now, I can't help you. It's been spelled out in a way that should ring true to all your ears. You can either try to understand the rational or condemn me as a madman for all I care. It make sense to me, it should make sense to you, and hopefully now you can drop your grudges a bit with the understanding you gain from this post. I will apologize to TS, I did go over board, but that was the point, to go overboard in response as I felt you went overboard in your analysis of what I said in my initial posts. I didn't do what I did to act immature, or be mean, or anything like that. I was making a point that I can go overboard too if you'd like, and it won't be nice when I do. From all of your responses not only did I confuse you in a lot of ways, but I got the point across. No Matter what, I made a topic, and created an argument that got 34 posts, at the time of my most recent one, and almost 3000 views, and you tried to say I wasn't smart, tisk tisk. You have been played by The_Game_Rage.

 

[sports_fan_2007]

C. In Vince's mind it might convince him to come back hence the idea of it being punishment

This the last reply i will post to this thread
The game rage what u said above makes no sense due to an interview ran on WWE website where RVD himself says he has no interest to come back anytime in the near future and when he does he said the door was open and the WWE is he place he would go

Therefore people would not tune into Raw Smackdown or ECW

Dont believe check out the video yourself


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdcGEiGGda8

 

[The Roid Rage]

That proves nothing, unless you went online and happened to see that you wouldn't know, like the majority of people. For that matter unless you had the internet at the time, went on at just the rite time, and happened to watch just that video, you wouldn't know a thing. It was however nice of you to find something concrete for my to view and confirm anything that was said by anyone else. And by the way, I am not in the business of pandering to you people or bowing down to anyone, I am not a sheep and I am not here to be one of the "cool" people. I am here because I like to discuss wrestling like I was. I like to bring up possible scenarios sometimes as I did, and I really don't like a bunch of assholes trying to reprimand me for doing so. Most of you sound feeble, uneducated, childish, and petty in your attacks of me, my ideas, and my arguments, and beyond that you could only wish to have my level of intellect, intelligence, reasoning, rationale, all around knowledge, and ability. I am not being arrogant, I am being factual. I am the game Rage, and I am that damn good.



Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Don't try to call this flaming, accuse me of it, or take negative action against me just because I speak my mind. Just because I am not afraid to do so does not mean you have the right to do anything to me. All that those actions against me prove, is that I am right, and that I am that good.

 

[GameOver]

RVD's appearance at the Royal Rumble was purely cause it was close to his home town and they wanted a suprise entrant was it not? Nothing more, nothing less.