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What The Hell Was That All About ????

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I was readying another thread talking about Vince McMahon possibly using DX to overshadow the title reign of RVD after he beat John Cena at One Night Stand, and then something else popped in my head.

Anyone recall at Royal Rumble when out of nowhere RVD showed up to enter the rumble? What The Hell Was That All About? I wouldn't be asking this but he only appeared for that one night, for that one match? Why would he be brought in just for that, and not be used any further? I realize that he left the company on bad terms before, but either way what was the point in that whole deal?

Did RVD need a paycheck to get some afghan-cush or some purple-nurple? Was it just a tease from Vince to show how much he can control anyone he chooses? What was the deal? I never really figured that out. One would think that if he was brought back for the Royal Rumble he would have been back for good, but no. Just that one match in one event. It makes no sense. If any of you recall the fans went nuts when his titantron came up and his music started, and they were cheering for him while he was in the match, he even did the "R-V-D" thing and the fans showed they certainly hadn't forgot about that. So why just use him for one night?

I can only guess it might have been punishment. Punishment from Vince McMahon to show him what he gave up, and ultimately screwed up, as if he didn't already know after he lost both titles at the drop of a hat. Talk about getting it rubbed in your face. What worse way could you get it than to be invited back for one night, come out hear the crowd still roaring your name after all the time you've been gone, only to go out, give a great performance, and then have to leave knowing you weren't returning to the sensation of performing in front of the greatest audience in the world on the greatest platform in the world? That would have to be pretty disheartening, and probably really depressing. The worst part of it all would be that you would have no one else to blame but yourself, that's the real bitch of it all.

This all just came to my mind, and as I said I could never figure it out. Maybe what I eluded to above has some truth to it, and maybe I am far off the marker, but who knows? Let's see what you think.
 
Theres nothing to his appearance, its quite simple really, RVD has some name power on his name. It gave small amounts of name power, teased us all, and overall helped the quality of the Rumble. During the past Rumbles, the suprise effect of each and every Rumble is diffrent. Sometimes superstars pull an upset causing a huge suprise. Sometimes wrestlers like Hulk Hogan make suprise appearances, for a huge pop. Same thing with RVD really, nothing much to it. I don't think either Vince, nor RVD have any want to work with eachother after RVD's last run.
 
He came in as a surprise entrant and that’s probably the only reason why he was brought back for that one night. There was no other reason behind it other than the WWE wanting to surprise people by bringing in the hometown boy. Sometimes, the WWE will do things to just do them. There isn’t always a reason behind everything they do. Or at least if there is a reason then Vince is probably the only who knows why he does the things he does. But I really doubt that it was for any other reason other than to surprise the crowd by bringing in the hometown boy for that one night.

Also, where did you hear RVD left the WWE on bad terms? You do know his wife was diagnosed with cancer? He had to leave for the obvious reasons. I think he’s actually on pretty good terms with the WWE. If he wasn’t then they wouldn’t continue to call him to make guest appearances.
 
There was a time when the Royal Rumble used to be fun and you could expect past names to pop up. I remember watching the Rumble and waiting to see guys make one time appearances like Rick Martel, Mr Perfect, KoKo B Ware, Jake the Snake, or someone else. These days you not only know who's in the match, but WHEN they are in. It was exciting to see those guys come in.

As for RVD coming it, it was simply for the excitement factor above. People get a kick out of seeing him. As for why he was only used that one time (and once on RAW I think) it was simply for that excitement factor. RVD has stated on countless occasions that he is not interested in wrestling full time right now.

Remember the whole premise is that that winner gets a title shot so storyline wise "the best from all over the world come to the Rumble" so it's supposed to show that RVD wanted the title and for fans to get excited about something unannounced.

@ The_Game_Rage -- you do know wrestling isn't real right? Your talk of "punishment" seems like your not sure where storyline begins and ends.
 
Also, where did you hear RVD left the WWE on bad terms? You do know his wife was diagnosed with cancer? He had to leave for the obvious reasons. I think he’s actually on pretty good terms with the WWE. If he wasn’t then they wouldn’t continue to call him to make guest appearances.

Well if you don't recall he was stripped of both his titles, and shortly after gone from the company. Just because he wasn't blacklisted doesn't mean he was on "good terms" with the company. As for the issue of his wife and cancer, I am sure that made a great public story to explain his departure. Not that there might not have been a lot of truth to that, but obviously the situation surrounding his drug problems also had to have some bearing on the situation.

Part of my point was that maybe being brought back for that one night was some what of a punishment for letting the company down in a way. Also, don't get it confused, Vince McMahon will bring virtually anyone back that he feels he can make some money off of, no matter whether they are on his shit list or not. A lot of you always talk about the maniacal, vengeful, and sick side of Vince that likes to show his power, well that would be a good supporting argument for that.


The_Game_Rage -- you do know wrestling isn't real right? Your talk of "punishment" seems like your not sure where storyline begins and ends.

I wouldn't go making accusations like that if I were you. I definitely know the difference, I have been in the business ok, I am smart and wised up on the in's and out's, don't patronize me with a question like that. I explained why I had that possible assumption, and it all went into a theory anyways, not an actual opinion, just a possible situation. As I stated above, people always talk about the cruel, maniacal, and vengeful nature of Vince McMahon and how he likes to publicly and personally humiliate people, well this would be one of those cases, possibly. Besides the point what I was talking about had nothing to do with storyline but rather a possible real situation backstage, and I never mentioned anything about storyline. I was questioning the rationale in bringing back RVD for one night only and not using him again, not the details of a storyline. I take your question as an insult to me intelligence and all around grip on reality. Do not question me again, a test of wits and knowledge most likely would not turn out in your favor.
 
Well if you don't recall he was stripped of both his titles, and shortly after gone from the company.
If you don’t recall he didn’t leave shortly after he was stripped of the title. He was gone for 30 days because he got suspended. Then he returned on August of 2006 and didn’t leave until June of 2007. He wasn’t gone after he was stripped of the title. He left the company 11 months after he got stripped of the ECW title.

Just because he wasn't blacklisted doesn't mean he was on "good terms" with the company.
If he wasn’t blacklisted then it means he is probably on good terms with the company or at least on good enough terms that he is willing to do business with them.
As for the issue of his wife and cancer, I am sure that made a great public story to explain his departure.
That’s exactly why he left. Not because of a drug problem or anything else, but because his wife had cancer and he couldn’t stay away for as long as he was.

Not that there might not have been a lot of truth to that, but obviously the situation surrounding his drug problems also had to have some bearing on the situation.
He was caught with drugs 11 months before his departure. How does something that happened 11 months before his release affect him 11 months later?

Part of my point was that maybe being brought back for that one night was some what of a punishment for letting the company down in a way. Also, don't get it confused, Vince McMahon will bring virtually anyone back that he feels he can make some money off of, no matter whether they are on his shit list or not. A lot of you always talk about the maniacal, vengeful, and sick side of Vince that likes to show his power, well that would be a good supporting argument for that.

But see here is the problem with a punishment like that, why would Vince bring him back so he can see what he left? I think not bringing him back at all and not letting him relive what he left would be a better punishment if he was even brought back to be punished. And even if he was brought back to be punished it makes Vince look stupid for paying him to comeback even though he has made it clear he doesn't want to return to wrestling on a full-time basis.

Also, if Vince wanted to bring back someone for the Rumble that he would make money off of, then he would first of all advertise it to everyone. It doesn’t make him any money if the majority of fans didn’t even know that RVD was going to be on the show. And second of all, he would probably bring back someone that could get him more money than RVD.
 
RVD left partly due to his wife's cancer diagnosis. But he also left because he was burned out. Look up on youtube for a shoot interview that he did, out in LA. He burned alot of the higher ups in the WWE about ECW, John Cena, among other things. But his main deal was that he wasn't excited about the job anymore. He didn't say that he was done completely, but that wrestling is the farthest thing from his mind right now.
 
If you havent been watching RR from the begining - u will notice that theres always a suprise entrant. RVD didnt do it for the money, i heard in a interview while back he had saved enuf to live by and is looking after his sick wife and making up for all the time he was away. He also left WWE on good terms and had total control of his "one of the kind" dvd
 
RVD's wife is ill with colon cancer i believe, that is why he left in 2007.. hence how he got the win at Mania23 for his team, was Vince hoping RVD would stick around, but RVD didn't, then the head injury from Randy and RVD's swerve PPV win over Orton, was his leaving present, RVD's has shown up twice since then tho (RAW 15 year anniversary pinning Santino and Rumble 2009 due to it being near his hometown)

I doubt RVD will ever return full time, as what you saw in WWE was NOT the true RVD, if you watch ECW the REAL ECW that is, you'll see how innovative he was, and how over he was, WWE failed to capitalize on RVD for should i say HHH held him down?

Best quote i read on wrestlezone i believe was ina production meeting triple h said that RVD wasn't over with the fans, that he didn't connect them... must admit that quote to this very day still makes me laugh.

RVD is more suited to Japan and i know he's toured Europe recently as well.
 
Yeah ST pretty much hit the nail on the head. I just got a couple things to add. RVD was stripped of the titles because he was arrested for marijuana possession. He has been very open with his marijuana use for fucking ever. Vince had to know about that and only suspended him due to the arrest. Last I heard, the WWE does test for weed, but the punishment is only a fine. He didn't leave for almost a year after that incident. You are tripping if you think Vince wouldn't jump at the chance to bring him back. I never knew of any bad terms he left on, but even so, Vince hired Eric Bischoff. RVD didn't almost put him out of business.
 
Damn it! Sometimes some of you people are so fucking stupid it takes a jackhammer to get a concept or an idea through your thick fucking skull. Since apparently you couldn't figure out first of all that the situations I laid out were merely hypothetical, and more of a query or question than any kind of proclamation, I will spell it out for you. You asked for it and now you've got it, you have tested my patience enough. Now your ass is mine.

If you don’t recall he didn’t leave shortly after he was stripped of the title. He was gone for 30 days because he got suspended. Then he returned on August of 2006 and didn’t leave until June of 2007. He wasn’t gone after he was stripped of the title. He left the company 11 months after he got stripped of the ECW title.

Ok fucktard, maybe in short bus land 11 months is a long extended period of time, but here in the real world it goes by in the blink of an eye. After loosing his titles and being suspended there wasn't much of a course of recovery for RVD. After being strung along for a while, and after it was made quite apparent his previous success was not to be met again, with the impending problems outside of his wrestling career he was gone, and no one was exactly kicking and screaming for him to stay. It wasn't exactly a great way to go out by the standards of most people, and with the exception of that one night at Royal Rumble he was never to return, which led to the question why one would be brought back for one night only to begin with.


If he wasn’t blacklisted then it means he is probably on good terms with the company or at least on good enough terms that he is willing to do business with them.


Maybe in your pea brain that is enough rationale to substantiate the definition of "good terms" however his willingness to come back for that one night only, and their willingness to have him back for one night has nothing to do with the terms of separation. His willingness says nothing about the situation because anyone who received an offer from the WWE to do anything with them and turned it down would be an idiot, especially considering the fact that his wife indeed did have health issues that can be rather costly. As far as their willingness goes, it also says nothing about the terms of separation because if you had a brain, you'd know that the WWE will make money or use someone for anything at any time, especially when there is no long term commitment involved. Of course they would be willing to bring him in for one night knowing there was no long term risk involved, it's good business for them, and a paycheck for him. Take a while for you to figure that out?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe up and leaving for any purpose after all the investment they put into him could have left a sour face on some of the establishment, no, because you couldn't think that deeply about a situation could you? It's not plain and obvious or out in the open, it's an idea a concept, something you have to grasp and try to understand. I understand, that obviously you are somewhat challenged in the head, which is the reason I have to explain all this so redundantly to you in an attempt to bash some fucking sense into you hoping you can at some point understand what the hell I was talking about, instead of trying to fucking berate me for having an original thought, something you obviously are incapable of.


That’s exactly why he left. Not because of a drug problem or anything else, but because his wife had cancer and he couldn’t stay away for as long as he was.

First off, I never said that, that wasn't a reason for his leaving. However the point I tried to make in fewer words in regards to the situation with him getting in trouble, being suspended, and stripped was that that was a situation he wasn't recovering from anytime soon. It was a black mark on his record that had to have haunted him until he finally did leave, and by the way there are also indirect ways a company can try to force someone out if they feel they are too high risk, for instance not letting them return to their previous status and holding them down unnecessarily. Part of the point I made was this: Due to his past problems with drugs the WWE wasn't rolling the dice on him again, you see, as stated before he wasn't going to return to the kind of success he had previously as a result of his actions and their consequences. There wasn't much for him to stick around for anyways, that is how that affected his departure, the situations had a relation. Think of it as the first domino to fall in a domino effect, it was the first thing in a series of events leading to his departure. Think before you open your mouth and shit out a bunch of unintelligible words in an un-thought-out, poorly argued commentary.


He was caught with drugs 11 months before his departure. How does something that happened 11 months before his release affect him 11 months later?


I'm pretty sure I answered this well enough above but since I have very little faith in your comprehension skills I'll go further with it. You see in real life the things we do effect out decisions, actions, and even sometimes intentions down the road. After falling from grace as he did, and as I put it before being strung along for the rest of his time, and knowing he wasn't getting back to the top, his issues outside of the ring took on a greater importance. His problems with drugs caused the events that eventually made him decide to send himself packing. And just so you don't get it confused I am not saying that his suspension had anything to do with his wife's cancer in the regards of me saying his suspension caused the events that eventually made him decide to leave. To put it plainer, knowing he was out of luck with the people at WWE, it was no longer worth it to stay there any longer with his wife's illness apparently worsening or getting to the point that he needed to be there for her more. Can you even follow that or was that too confusing for you? Take the pieces, put them together, and get a fucking clue.


But see here is the problem with a punishment like that, why would Vince bring him back so he can see what he left? I think not bringing him back at all and not letting him relive what he left would be a better punishment if he was even brought back to be punished. And even if he was brought back to be punished it makes Vince look stupid for paying him to comeback even though he has made it clear he doesn't want to return to wrestling on a full-time basis.

Also, if Vince wanted to bring back someone for the Rumble that he would make money off of, then he would first of all advertise it to everyone. It doesn’t make him any money if the majority of fans didn’t even know that RVD was going to be on the show. And second of all, he would probably bring back someone that could get him more money than RVD.


Now I'm really gonna have some fun with you as here you make it more apparent that you have a condition of diarrhea of the mouth, and not enough brains to adequately argue a point.

To answer your first question, If you would have read in any greater detail what I already wrote you would see I already answered this question. Vince would do so to rub it in that he blew it. Why? Because he's a sick bastard that's why. I'm not talking about the Mr.McMahon character either, Vince McMahon himself is a rather evil individual and does get some kicks from watching the pain of others, or showing them their failures. How do I know this, the aftermath of Bret Hart's departure from WWE where he continued to make sure he was bashed and humiliated, that's how. He likes to make an example of people and show them that he has the power to make or break them.

Not bringing him back would be letting him off easy as he wouldn't get a first hand experience of the limelight and glory he was missing out on. How is that tough thing to understand? It's like if you bring a homeless man into your mansion and let him stay for a day to be pampered and then kick him back out on the streets, he would then know what he was missing out on, and what he wishes he had making it more abysmal to be on the streets, or to make it simpler for you, let him know what he's missing out on.

As far as the whole thing making Vince look stupid once again you couldn't be farther off. It makes him look powerful. He can bring him in just as easily as he can discard them. He can give them a moment of glory, and take it away. He shows the fans that he controls the business and these peoples careers, that doesn't make him look stupid. So far the only one looking stupid is you, and rightfully so, you earned it. See, being powerful is a lot like being a gentlemen; if you have to tell people you are, than you aren't, and Vince doesn't have to tell anyone, he shows it. This is just another more proving so, and would also be an example to all the wrestlers in the locker room that you don't fuck up on Vince McMahon's watch. Also, him paying RVD for a night is not stupid either, it's like the mafia don giving someone their last meal before they send them on a trip they'll never return from. You have to think like the sick fuck that is Vince McMahon to understand it, not like you who lacks the I.Q. and thinking ability to comprehend this concept.

Your last paragraph might have saved you a bit if you would have thought about what you were saying before you said it because you would have realized the point you were missing. If he has a guy mysteriously show up it does make him money. You only valid point was that advertising the appearance would be a good idea but that is where you are missing the value of shock. If no one expects it, the moment becomes a spectacle. By his appearing that makes people wonder, and in wonderment they ask themselves if this person could possibly be returning. With that question looming in mind that would lead the individual or more accurately stated more individual's to watch Raw or ECW or Smackdown as they awaited the return of the long gone superstar. People who watched the event would tell people they know about it, it get's reported on websites like wrestlezone, and a buzz gets created about the possible situation, that only McMahon and his cohorts know is not going to happen but make people watch his programming to see. That is business smarts, and smarts all together. Unfortunately you lack all of it. I wouldn't say something unless there was or could be some validity to it, and Vince McMahon being Vince McMahon is capable of doing just about anything which is why it would not have been surprising to me if for some reason in his sick twisted mind he thought of this whole thing as some kind of punishment.


In closing you have now made me be very rude, and tear you apart because you decided to come after me and my simple assumption or query about a situation that didn't make much sense to me at first glance, rather than maybe take a few things into consideration, think about what I said, or think about the situation I was referring to at all. Instead like a moron you just shot off at the mouth and have now been reduced to nothing. I hope you enjoyed your effortless thrashing, and learn to think before you open you mouth again. Have a Nice Day.
 
Somebody please ban this guy. Mate, theres no reason to start insulting people for giving you some facts and expressing their opinions. I don't know what on earth convinced you that Vince McMahon is Satan and that he hates everyone and everything. Why would he give RVD the WWE title then? Over his biggest star? Doesnt seem like Vince is all that awful.

If you don't believe that RVD was simply doing the right thing is supporting his wife through a cancer battlem which is a horrifying ordeal, maybe you need to have a good look at yourself. Vince brought back RVD for some nostalgia for fans. Did you watch royal Rumbles in 2001? 2002? Drew Carey? Honky tonk Man? Im sure both parties enjoyed it and thats the end of it.

Can't you just enjoy the fact that you saw RVD in action? And try not to insult anyone. Its just not a pleasant experience for anyone.
 
Am I seriously witnessing somebody insult ST? Dude, if you can't accept differing viewpoints and debate someone like a grown man, you seriously need to get the fuck out of here. There are plenty other wrestling forums that will happily accept your childish mannerisms. And to attack ST? If you multiplied the quality of every post you've made by 10, you wouldn't come close to ST. He has made perfectly valid points man. Remaining a year after his suspension and leaving on his own accord suggests that he did not leave on bad terms. Having him make one time appearances further suggests that. I suggest that you do a little more thorough research before you start insulting a respected poster. You recollection of the said events are all wrong. Even if this is hypothetical situation, why is it "ignorant" to present facts that counter your argument? The only reason RVD did the Royal Rumble appearance was because it was close to home and I assume he was payed handsomely. There is no reason for him to show up.
 
Not to be nit-picking at your posts of anything but, I mean, it sounds like he had a good time out there. Who are we to judge on what the motives were behind that appearance? Unless we ask the man himself, I suppose we'll never know. But this interview seemed pretty honest in that he brought up Sonia his wife. I just think we should take it at face value, I enjoyed seeing him, thats all.

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Every year we get a surprise or two... or at least we do during good Rumbles. Remember when Honkey Tonk man returned for 2001? It got a big pop and created a funny moment and the audience didn't expect it, that's what the Rumble is all about. RVD doesn't want to work for the WWE on a full-time basis because he doesn't like the schedule, but as someone said his name is a brand and people will pop huge for him. Vince gets his surprise, RVD gets a paycheck without having to work regularly. Win-Win.
 
Check it out Mantaur, That's not generally my style ok. I asked a legitimate question, and yes I always watch the Royal Rumble, it is my favorite event. Whatever you have to tell me about it I already knew. I know in the past there have been people who showed up for nostalgia sake, but it wasn't like he'd been gone for such a long time, and part of my point was that he had had a somewhat turbulent past with the WWE and so it didn't make sense to me at first glance. I presented some questionable reasons and ideas as to why, and I received unwarranted flack for it. I tried to explain my reasoning and someone decided to prod even harder. When you poke a lion with a stick the lion get's pissed off, that's how it works, and more than anything I was frustrated that someone had to make such a big deal of a simple assumption or idea. It's not like I just picked a random person and decided to disparage them for no reason, when you act like an idiot you deserve to get treated like an idiot.

As to why I think or rather know Vince McMahon is one step from being the devil, did it ever occur to you that maybe I knew a little more about the man than most? No. Once again no one chooses to think before they speak. I have read books, and looked into the personality and business practices of McMahon and from everything I have found he's actually a pretty despicable person. As I stated before, nothing I state will be said without reason or factual education to the subject matter.


Also, I never said or stated an opinion on anything that RVD did or didn't do, you assumed I did due to either misinterpreting what I wrote or not reading what I wrote. If he left to help his wife, good, great, that's the honorable thing to do. I only stated that the events surrounding his being suspended and arrested may have had some bearing on his decision as it heavily impacted the course of his career. Had he been champion at the time of his decision to leave it would have made it harder to leave. But, due to the fact that he had been stripped of his title and just strung along as I put it, the choice was easier as there was little left for him to stay for. Not only have you misjudged my statements but put word in my mouth. Disliking me for defending myself, and dishing it out to those who had it coming is no reason to call for my ban or to attack me as well.

In continuance, I never said Vince McMahon hated everyone and everything. I said he was a sick twisted fuck, and if you knew half the shit about him I do you'd agree. You challenged my statement by saying if he was so bad than why did he give RVD the title and over his biggest star to begin with? Well, I will answer that for you. It has to do with business, and securing the future. First of all don't think that people just get the title because people just like them. Everybody hated the Ultimate Warrior but he got the title so that means nothing. RVD was becoming super popular at the time and Vince cashed in on opportunity, plain and simple, that's what a smart businessman does. As far as putting him over his most popular guy, that is just a way to build the already rising star, securing his marketability and so on in the future. It has nothing to do with being a nice guy, and everything to do with business. I you can't figure that out, than you should learn more about business in general and particularly the wrestling business.


In closing, Let me tell you a little more about business. I am not in the business of please you or anyone else. I tried to bring up something that seemed out of the ordinary to me and didn't make sense at first glance as I said. Rather than just give a comment about maybe why the occurrence I outlined happened someone decided to try and outwit me and make me look stupid in turn making themselves look stupid. I only pointed that out, and gave them a reason to not do it again. I am also not in the business of being a blatant asshole. Ask anyone who has read my work, I am generally very polite, fair, and well spoken. It is only when reasonably provoked that I would ever get at someone like that. In this case trying to make an idiot of me for asking the questions I did about said topic was provocation enough. If you or anyone else can't understand that, and understand that it is also my right to say what I please, and defend myself and my statements, than you must have a serious problem with freedom of speech. I only have a problem with it when what is said is garbage. I hope you understand this whole thing a little better now, and can take a chill pill. I am quite fed up already with people trying to attack me from all angles. Especially when the attack is so poorly delivered.



To NateDaMac.

Did you even bother to read my in depth explanation of everything? If you read carefully it makes perfect sense. I give extensive support to everything I said. And also, for you to come at me and try to make any argument to the quality of my work, or to cal me childish is frankly rather insulting. If none of you can argue or debate me that is not my fault. I demolished that guy, he had it coming, and that's what you get when you are outmatched. I personally have nothing against you, or generally anyone here. However when someone tries to use facts in a way that has nothing to do with what I said to disprove what I said, how am I not obligated to respond and point out the errors of that persons analysis? When someone tries to take it a step further and make a fool of me, and do so poorly, what they get in return is what they deserve.
 
Really, Game_Rage, we have answered your question. You now know why RVD was at the Royal Rumble and why he wasnt brought back to TV. It was a one off appearance for the Royal Rumble. In terms of your comments toward SavageTaker and others, including Vince McMahon, you could start a whole other thread about it, and I suggest you do if you feel that strongly about it. The words "sick twisted fuck" come to mind.

It's all very well and good to tell us that you understand the wrestling business, and defend any errors that you made, but quite honestly, the issue should have been resolved at jump street, page 1, second or third post.

The fact that you have read books or heard quotes that Vince McMahon is not a nice guy to work with is irrelevant. But if you really want to go into detail with it, do you know Mr. McMahon personally? Have yopu spoken words to his face and been wronged in some way? If so, I feel bad that you had a bad experience, but I'm probably guessing no. I havent met him, and unless he wants to come to my Australian town I doubt I will. I can only judge him for what I know about him. I know that he started the WWF and gives me great entertainment every week. So Im not as well informed as you, sorry about that.

But I wouldnt judge McMahon OR SavageTaker or that one post that offended you. So can we let this thread go now?
 
This is in continuance of the section of my last post dedicated to NateDaMac


Your say I wouldn't debate like a man, but yet I tear apart everything that guy said tactfully at that and somehow because it's your crony it's not any good? And then you try to say my stuff multiplies doesn't come close to that of this person who I obviously outclasses, outwitted, and proved wrong with ease I might add? Look at the biases here. Just because I am not one of the groupies here doesn't mean my work doesn't at least match that or surpass anyone's.


Remaining a year after his suspension and leaving on his own accord suggests that he did not leave on bad terms. Having him make one time appearances further suggests that. I suggest that you do a little more thorough research before you start insulting a respected poster. You recollection of the said events are all wrong. Even if this is hypothetical situation, why is it "ignorant" to present facts that counter your argument? The only reason RVD did the Royal Rumble appearance was because it was close to home and I assume he was payed handsomely. There is no reason for him to show up.


Here's your big intelligible argument.

I explained why RVD may have in fact not left on the greatest of terms for one pointing out that no matter what the reason the people at WWE after investing so much time, effort, and money into him only to have him drop the ball due to being arrested for drugs probably didn't sit well, and also citing that there were no plans for him to be going back up where he was anyways which all point to him not being on good terms, and I pointed out that just because he wasn't blacklisted doesn't mean he left on good terms either. What does it take to explain shit to you people?

I suggest that you do a little more thorough research before you start insulting a respected poster.

I would extend the same invitation to you and your friend. I've had an entire thread made about me talking about the quality of my work by the most respected people here. Keep in mind that is with a fraction of the posts you two have. That is because unless making a brief statement everything I write is well thought out, backed up, and well spoken. Don't try to turn this into a popularity contest.

Even if this is hypothetical situation, why is it "ignorant" to present facts that counter your argument?

Ah ha, I never said that. I said the manner in which it was went about was ignorant as it didn't really prove anything within the context of the things I said. Besides that the facts presented to counter my argument didn't really do anything of the sort after I explained in greater detail the meaning behind everything I said. Spin it any way you want, it was a weak argument against me, I destroyed it, and made an example of why not to present such a weak argument again.

The only reason RVD did the Royal Rumble appearance was because it was close to home and I assume he was payed handsomely. There is no reason for him to show up.

That was the only thing you or the other guy needed to say. With that this whole messy ordeal could have been avoided. Instead you friend thought he was slick, I showed I was slicker, and right by the way, and in defeat you groan. Too bad, so sad. That last part was all I was looking for, a competent explanation of the scenario I outlined. Thank you for that simply put morsel or info. What a credit to you both it is.


Now I will deal with mantaur again.
 
Really, Game_Rage, we have answered your question. You now know why RVD was at the Royal Rumble and why he wasnt brought back to TV. It was a one off appearance for the Royal Rumble.

I only have your thoughts on the matter. Your answers are no more factual than my hypothetical scenario. More likely I will admit, that was the point of bringing fourth such a hypothetical scenario, but opinion non the less.

In terms of your comments toward SavageTaker and others, including Vince McMahon, you could start a whole other thread about it, and I suggest you do if you feel that strongly about it. The words "sick twisted fuck" come to mind.

What I stated was all necessary to explain why I thought that Vince McMahon would bring someone back for one night as a kind of punishment in his mind. As far as comments towards anyone else goes, those are more for effect than anything else. Meant to bring impact to the words.

It's all very well and good to tell us that you understand the wrestling business, and defend any errors that you made, but quite honestly, the issue should have been resolved at jump street, page 1, second or third post.

My sentiments exactly. Instead people felt the need to try and act like I had made a bunch of illegitimate comments about something, which I had to try and clarify. In doing so I only received more of the same in response as if my explanation wasn't enough, and in that response the personacted as if I was speaking jibberish.

The fact that you have read books or heard quotes that Vince McMahon is not a nice guy to work with is irrelevant.

How so? I have real factual accounts of his entire life, and as I said factual accounts of his business practices as well.

But if you really want to go into detail with it, do you know Mr. McMahon personally? Have yopu spoken words to his face and been wronged in some way? If so, I feel bad that you had a bad experience, but I'm probably guessing no. I havent met him, and unless he wants to come to my Australian town I doubt I will. I can only judge him for what I know about him. I know that he started the WWF and gives me great entertainment every week. So Im not as well informed as you, sorry about that.

Factual information is factual information. Credible sources often literary are pretty hard to disprove. I trust what I have read is factual or it wouldn't have been non fiction material. You don't have to be sorry for not necessarily knowing everything about Vince McMahon, I thought he was an interesting character and I looked into the details of his life and the way he does business. My point about it though, was that I wouldn't say it if I didn't know it to be true. I don't just say shit to say it. Vince McMahon is a pretty bad guy bottom line. I'll leave that at that. What you should do and what my statements were meant to do, was to get you to find out for yourself. I knew that obviously people don't know all of that stuff about them, and it is my motivation to get people interested. I love Vince McMahon, I just think he's a sick twisted fuck as I put it.

But I wouldnt judge McMahon OR SavageTaker or that one post that offended you. So can we let this thread go now?[/QUOTE]

Yes we may. I get tired of these ranting back and fourth where I have to explain and defend every little thing I say. Someone tried to make me feel stupid by misrepresenting facts to do so, I in turn made them look stupid. It's called karma. If I actually meant any of it, I would be a very mean person. I only meant to give someone a heavy dose of what I can be like if they want to act a fool towards me. Do not take too much offense. I have a very odd way of handling things I guess.

What a heater this one turned out to be though huh? There is nothing wrong with a little controversy and a little conflict. People should be challenged and they should be made to think on their toes. A hard tough debate is entertaining at the least.
 
This goes out directly to The_Game_Rage:

Dear Mr. Rage;

You say you were in the business and you know the ins and outs of the business. Where and when was this? Who are you? You want us to not insult your intelligence yet you have no clue about what you’re talking about with the R.V.D. situation. As it was stated earlier, Rob left the WWE due to personal reasons with his wife. She has cancer and wants to be with her instead of being on the road with WWE.

When Rob screwed up by getting caught with Sabu on the highway smoking up. WWE had to publicly take action against him, since it made the news and they are a publicly traded company. As you recall, Rob was stripped of both titles (basically forcing ECW to change direction before it could be fully relaunched), he was suspended under the Wellness Policy and served his time. He came back and continued with his WWE career. Sure he was not given the titles back, since he was considered unreliable, but he still returned. When Rob’s wife became ill, he either finished out his contract or asked to be released (not sure which) so that he could be with her. Travelling around the globe was not a priority to him; his wife was and still is. He has enough money that he doesn’t need a wrestling career right now.

If you recall, Rob has been invited back at least twice; once for the RAW Anniversary (where he was given the win) and at the Royal Rumble (in his home state). If Rob was on Vince’s shit list, he wouldn’t have been called in to appear. Neither of his appearances were ever advertised, so there was no extra cash to be made off of bringing him in for his guest appearances.
I’m not saying that I know all of the answers, but most of the information that I have written was posted all over the net as it unfolded. Get your information straight before you come on here and make an ass out of yourself. So I guess I will insult your intelligence too...

You want to threaten others here to a ‘battle of wits’... JUST BRING IT!

Sincerely,

Shawn
 
Oh Shawn, did you even read the body of work where I explained why in fact that RVD may not have been in the best graces, and was there ever a point where I stated that that was the indefinite truth. I only stated that it could have some truth to it. Yet I get you and everyone else stating I am saying otherwise. Good spin doctors you are but nowhere near equipped for me.
 
The only reason RVD was in that rumble was because it was in detroit....his home state....basically just there to get the wwe a cheap pop from the crowd
 
The game rage
now i dont know you and i dont think anyone would really want too. The way you are behaving here makes me think well actually i know people like you and they are alone and miserable in their life. You come on these forums and try to prove that you are smarter than everyone else because you read a book or 2, do you want a medal for that accomplishment? Now I know you are goin to feel the need to bash me for calling you out like this but, I dont care as you have been acting very immaturely and its kind of pathetic. I understand you are only backing up your opinion but im sure you can do it in a way where you dont insult everyone elses opinion. I also find it funny that you without knowing anybody else who reads these forums think that you are on another level of intelligence than everyone else when in fact you only have the maturity level of maybe a 6 year old. And F.Y.I not everything written in a book is a fact. You need to find out which side of the fence that book was written. If it was from someone who isnt a fan of Mcmahon than of course it will make him look unfavorable to most which I am sure is actually the case. If he was as bad as you make him out to be than most people who work for him would probably quit and jump ship to probably TNA.

In closing Im sure you are going to read this and than reply by bashing me and my intellect but I dont care because in my opinion you possibly are the stpidest person who uses this forum
 
The only reason RVD was in that rumble was because it was in detroit....his home state
I have to address this. When did Detroit become a state? As for you Rage, doesn't the fact that you are the only one to see this shit suggest that you are wrong? Nobody else seems to see this situation. If Vince intended on proving a point, didn't it fail? If he ended on bad terms, clearly those incidents are things of the past as he has made appearances after his departure. Oh and I wouldn't call me and ST cronies. I doubt the 2 of us have even conversed. Hell, I don't even agree with some of his opinions, but I debate him and others like an adult. I see no purpose in blatantly flaming people like you did. He disagreed with your opinion and you behaved like a child. A child with good grammar, but a child nonetheless. You're smart you have demonstrated that in the past. But with the way you have carried yourself in this thread, you seem to have the social skills of a home schooled kid.
 
Wow three pages for something that should have been answered with one post.

Almost every year former superstars get brought back and put into the Rumble match as surprises. Last year the Royal Rumble was in Detroit and RVD happens to live in Michigan. That's it. There are no other underlying reasons. He made an appearance because the WWE knew that he would get a big pop and it was only a few hours away from where he lived.
 

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