What more will it take?

[ShinChan]

What more it'll take to make the audience cheer Roman Reigns?

At Raw, Roman Reigns was destroyed by Braun Strowman. And I think that it was the most brutal beating Roman Reigns has ever received. And it was seemingly done to make people sympathize for him while booing Strowman. But actually, we got "Thank You Strowman" and "You Deserve It" chants.

It made me sympathize with Roman Reigns but judging by the audience' response, they actually advocated such attack on Roman Reigns. So, back to question, what more it'll take for audience to cheer Roman Reigns?

 

[The Life Of Pablo Ren]

The audience won't change until Roman changes. Roman won't change until his character changes. His character won't change until Vince changes. It all comes down to Vince and his stubbornness. When he finally admits to what the rest of the world knew long ago, that the current direction of Roman's character will never get him over in a positive way with the crowd and he decides to go in a different direction with him, that's when we'll see change.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

What more it'll take to make the audience cheer Roman Reigns?

Turn him heel and then they will cheer?

Still baffled with what they did on Monday. You just have to know that they wont cheer someone who straight up retired The Undertaker and was having nuclear heat right after that even if you have someone threw him off the building. Only explanation is that they want to build Strowman on Reigns reaction. Who they downplayed with losing clean to same Reigns and horrible show at Wrestlemania at that battle royal where he threw few jobbers around and got eliminated quick. But hey, that is WWE logic for you.

 

[OYDK]

People won't cheer this incarnation of Roman Reigns for many, many years. I honestly don't think fans hate him as much as it may seem. I think people are entertained by Roman Reigns to a certain extent and are interested in the programs that he's involved in. However, it's just become a thing now to throw shade his way, and that's fine. At least he's getting a reaction.

Like I said though, if he stays with this sort of character throughout his entire career, he won't get cheered until he's like, near retirement. At that point, he'll have earned enough respect to get more cheers than boos.

 

[Loveless]

Turn him heel and then they will cheer?

At this stage, even that won't work. He's more hated than Cena ever was and it's going to take years to turn that around, beginning with an overhaul of the character.

 

[Slyfox696]

It's amusing when people think the WWE cares if Reigns is cheered. They don't. They care that Reigns makes them money and that the crowd cares about him. It's essentially the same thing they did with John Cena.

The WWE doesn't care if Reigns gets cheered, they just care if he makes them money. And he is.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Slyfox hit it on the head. When it's all said and done, all WWE really cares about is if someone makes them money or not and that's the foremost thing that should be on their minds. While some of us do get hooked on the fact that Reigns isn't going to be accepted as a top babyface by many fans, including myself sometimes, and numerous dirt sheet writers, what really matters is that fans are invested in Reigns in one form or another and the fact that Roman Reigns does make WWE money. We may not always like some of the decisions Vince makes, some of which are wrong or dull or what have you, but the man obviously knows something that the rest of us don't or WWE wouldn't be raking in more money than ever.

Among American fans, it's really no longer simply about good guys and bad guys. There are a lot of reasons why Reigns doesn't get cheered like a traditional babyface and it's much the same reasons as John Cena: Reigns isn't an indie guy that's spent 10+ years killing himself for, at times, gas money, he's built, he's handsome, has a certain alpha male look that Vince McMahon personally likes and doesn't do a lot of flashy, sometimes dangerous, moves. A good many American fans are cynical who, when it comes to entertainment, don't put nearly the same amount of stock in who's good and who's bad. I mean, Braun Strowman beat the shit out of Roman Reigns on Monday night in the best beatdown segment on WWE TV in years, which included a fabulously over the top spot of Strowman tipping over an ambulance while Reigns was strapped to a stretcher. Even if it'd been Sami Zayn or AJ Styles who'd been in there instead of Reigns, a lot of fans would have still been cheering their heads off for Strowman. Hell, Kevin Owens could punt kick a three legged puppy over the top rope and, if anything, would probably wind up getting even more enthusiastic cheers.

 

[enviousdominous]

The crowd has to see Roman doing something they like. When you try to force situations where Roman is supposed to be liked as a result, it just adds to the level of humiliation it'll take to redeem him in the eyes of the super smarks.

Seeing Roman win a Royal Rumble, become champion and beat The Undertaker at WrestleMania helped build a sizable debt. While I'm sure that it was fun for the crowd to see Roman get wrecked on Monday, I think they're going to want nothing short of Roman jobbing to Finn before they start thinking that maybe he's learned his lesson.

 

[The Perfect Max]

I'm with the majority on this one. WWE would be doing themselves a disservice to believe that anything they do will get people to cheer for Roman Reigns. People mock and criticise Vince McMahon, but no matter what anybody thinks, you cannot possibly believe he is THAT stupid to think Reigns going over Undertaker and dressing it up as Taker's last match will mean cheers for Reigns. It just won't happen. And that's the point. People do so much talking about Reigns, and he is topping merchandise sales. He is who people are talking about in professional wrestling in 2017. He is a magnet for heat. WWE would be stupid to ruin that.

I see what they are doing with Reigns now as a very similar thing to the rise of Stone Cold Steve Austin. By no stretch am I comparing Reigns to Austin, but there is a striking similarity. Austin's character was not designed to become the most popular superstar of all-time. But the double turn happened at WrestleMania 13 and he skyrocketed. WWE could have chosen to keep pitting Austin as the heel, or run with him as the biggest face they have. Now they must do the same with Reigns, but in reverse. Any guy they put with Austin instantly put them on the map, and whether they stayed there was ultimately on them. Reigns has the potential to do that.

No matter who they put up against Reigns, they will be cheered to the heavens. Braun Strowman should prototypically be a heel. He has the look and acts like one. But people want to see Reigns get punished. In the perfect world for WWE creative, Reigns would be the big face, Strowman the big heel. If you have to reverse that, then do that. WWE have tried over the years with Cena to avoid reversing that, but it didn't work at times. Like with Triple H in 2006, that comes to mind. H was clearly the heel, but nobody in Chicago was booing him on the night. Not until the end of the match. Reigns has gathered the heat to make Strowman a viable favourite for the fans to cheer for. Therefore, Strowman gets elevated as a face, and if the plan is to have Strowman and Lesnar, suddenly it seems more realistic.

I'm not saying this was some master plan by WWE. But they've gotten their way regardless. Reigns is at the top one way or another. The business has changed in that sense. Crowds are smarter and dictate more often than not. And that's not a bad thing. WWE do listen it would seem. AJ Styles staying on SmackDown is a clear example of that. I have no doubt they would have wanted to stick him on Raw, but the fans were desperate not to see that. Obviously we cannot be too sure. The SmackDown Women's Championship match at WrestleMania is another example of this. They listen. And by listening now, they are acknowledging that nothing will work for Reigns in terms of getting cheers until something drastic changes. And until then, they must work with him as a heel. Build around the heel figure rather than the face figure. There isn't anything wrong with that.

 

[GOOZEKING]

Let me explain to you guys how Roman Reigns is viewed by people.
1. New Casuals POV- they just happen to see Raw this past Monday. They look at someone like Roman reigns and they hear him say he retired the undertaker. They Google Roman reigns to see what he is about which leads to them seeing YouTube videos and wiki pages with chants of Roman sucks and bad stuff. Some stay on that and some ignore and look past it. If they like him they will find a video called best moments of Roman in wwe and become fans. Some Women will say he is good looking but they don't care about wrestling so it was fun for a night and forget about him next week. If kids think he is cool then they will make it their goal to watch next week.
2. Casuals before mania- When casuals watched raw before mania or at mania and they see the promo for taker vs reigns and hear reigns say he will retire taker. In today society retiring someone is used and supposed to mean something bad so casuals will automatically think he is a jerk and want the good guy taker to succeed.
3. attitude era/golden era fans- these fans where fans of and loved taker ever since 1990. They stopped watching over time. They heard taker retired at mania so they googled the match or decided to see mania by buying the ppv. They see the promo and history of taker comes back and they get emotional cause he is their childhood. And the match sucks. Roman is blamed because these fans remember how good in the ring taker is so the problem has to be the new guy reigns.
4. Hardcore fans- been watching for over 30 years. Went through everyone ad too guys and has survived and gone through 12 years of cena. They are happy someone new will take over spot. They learn he will be the exact same of cena and get upset. They resist and try to fight back because they know they won't have enough chance for 12 years. Some give up and some like myself are smart enough to think wisely.

 

[ilapierre]

It will take the Undertaker coming back next Wrestlemania to beat him...that's what it will take..

 

[#tamale]

"What more will it take for fans to boo Kevin Owens? I mean he betrayed his best friends Sami Zayn and Chris Jericho."

You can spin it any way you want, but the reality is that the WWE does not have babyfaces and heels anymore. Everyone is a character. As long as there is an strong emotional response to that character the WWE is happy. They call Reigns the Merchandise for a reason.

#Ahhyessir

 

[Psykohurricane55]

I think that IWC fans and journalists are still in that mode of wanting a clear cut division between Heel and Babyface. If he act like a babyface and get booed, he failed and should be turn heel, if he act like a heel and get cheered then he fails as a heel and should be turn babyface. The fact of the matter is that'S their no more clear cut heel and babyfaces anymore in WWE, in fact their hasn'T a clear cut division between the 2 for a long time now. Fans will cheer for who they want and boo who they want.

So what will it take for fans to cheer for reigns, probably the same thing it will take for fans to start caring for dean ambrose again and that'S a shield reunion. I think at this point it's the only way that fans will cheer for him.

 

[DaleBryan]

It baffles me and frustrates me that WWE is so stubborn on this subject.

They have chosen Roman Reigns as their guy for the future. But he is simply not over. How can you build an era around a guy that gets booed out of every building they go to?

I hate every excuse WWE and some of the people on here give too.
"Well he sells the most merch." -- Big freaking deal. They also probably make more Roman Reigns merch than any other superstar. It has been the same with John Cena for years now. "He's the top merch seller"... yeah because when you go to get a shirt at an event, there are 5 different colored John Cena shirts to choose from, not to mention arm bands and other things.

"Well he gets a reaction wherever he goes. Doesn't matter if it's a good or a bad one, it's better than not getting one."
- While I do agree with that notion, in Roman Reigns case it's just simply not healthy. People are flat out pissed off about the continued push of this man without ANY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER.

Does WWE think that they have NOBODY else on this currently stacked roster that could sell more merch or be a bigger star than Roman Reigns right now? Give me a freaking break.
They're putting all of their eggs in the Roman Reigns basket, and it's very frustrating to see.

Turning him flow blown heel is absolutely 100% the only right answer.

Have him tear through every one on the roster (like he's already doing) but in a bad ass way. Have him attacking people in the backstage area, like how Braun attacked him the other night.

Imagine if Roman had done that attack on someone like Finn Balor? Great heel heat for Roman, great comeback story and actual sympathy for Finn. No one is sympathizing with Roman after Monday.
Instead we have Roman in the backstage getting interviewed by Michael Cole about his match with Undertaker at Mania, shrugging his shoulders with his good boy act saying "listen I just come here and do what I need to do to be the best." Or some BS like that.
WHY?
He should have said "Hell yeah I retired the Undertaker. I would do it again if I had to. The Deadman was way past his prime, and at Wrestlmania I put him out of his misery. As for what's next? Well I'm putting the whole Raw locker room on notice, that this is my show, and that ring is my yard. I don't care if you're Finn Balor, Seth Rollins, or Brock Lesnar I will send your ass to join the deadman in the retirement home in heartbeat. Believe that."

WWE is so scared of turning him heel same with John Cena, which literally makes no sense. Have they not watched wrestling or their own product?? Every single big name that there ever was, excluding Cena (not really counting when he first came in as a heel. Plus Roman originally came in as heel w/ the Sheild), has been heel at one point throughout their singles run. And in almost every single instance, it has made that persons character more fresh, more entertaining, and more over in the long run.

The Rock: Rocky Miavia --> The Rock. He eventually got so over as the heel that he became one of the biggest Faces OF ALL TIME...... and they STILL turned him heel later on down the road. To corporate Rock and again later to Hollywood Rock.

Stone Cold: Turned heel at mania 17, maybe not the best heel run, but his character became more developed and we got to see a different side of him that was ultimately beneficial.

Hulk Hogan has done a big heel turn, Undertaker has been heel, literally every big name at one point or another has ran as a heel at some point in there career.

Look at the popularity of WWE/Professional Wrestling since the Cena era began.... probably some of the lowest times. Why? Because WWE thought it was a good idea if THEY hand picked ONE guy to be "The Face if the company" and then not change or develope his character AT ALL in about 13 years and counting.
Now WWE is setting up that very same pattern with their new "Face of the company" Roman Reigns.

It's frustrating from a fans standpoint because, yes I'm going to watch anyway. I've been watching for almost 20 years, I'm a fan, I'm committed. Plus there are enough characters and superstars right now that I do very much enjoy that I can stay tuned. But WWE could be WAY more popular if they changed up the way they look at things. Don't force feed us a bland Roman Reigns over and over and over again for the next 15 years. Turning him heel gets people talking. It could be a step in the direction of making Wrestling cool again.

Turning him heel also creates other big stars in the process. Roman as a dominant monster heel, could create huge face stars out of guys like Seth, Finn, AJ, Dean, Nakurmara, and others. I'm talking bigger than they already are.

I would also like to say, that watching a Roman Reigns match is not terrible. I absolutely despise the superman punch, but other than that I typically enjoy his matches. It's his character and the lack of development, and WWE's need for him to be this good guy with only a little bit of attitude that I hate.

 

[therockiswwf]

It baffles me and frustrates me that WWE is so stubborn on this subject.

They have chosen Roman Reigns as their guy for the future. But he is simply not over. How can you build an era around a guy that gets booed out of every building they go to?

I hate every excuse WWE and some of the people on here give too.
"Well he sells the most merch." -- Big freaking deal. They also probably make more Roman Reigns merch than any other superstar. It has been the same with John Cena for years now. "He's the top merch seller"... yeah because when you go to get a shirt at an event, there are 5 different colored John Cena shirts to choose from, not to mention arm bands and other things.

They make more for them because people will buy more of their stuff. Very simple. You could make 50 different shirts for Jinder Mahal but not many people would buy them.

"Well he gets a reaction wherever he goes. Doesn't matter if it's a good or a bad one, it's better than not getting one."
- While I do agree with that notion, in Roman Reigns case it's just simply not healthy. People are flat out pissed off about the continued push of this man without ANY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER.

Agreed.

Does WWE think that they have NOBODY else on this currently stacked roster that could sell more merch or be a bigger star than Roman Reigns right now? Give me a freaking break.
They're putting all of their eggs in the Roman Reigns basket, and it's very frustrating to see.

Turning him flow blown heel is absolutely 100% the only right answer.

Have him tear through every one on the roster (like he's already doing) but in a bad ass way. Have him attacking people in the backstage area, like how Braun attacked him the other night.

This would sort of make him a face. People like badasses who come in and destroy everything. Brock Lesnar turned face because people like him killing people so much. One of the few massive cheers Roman got was when he was booked exactly like this.

Imagine if Roman had done that attack on someone like Finn Balor? Great heel heat for Roman, great comeback story and actual sympathy for Finn. No one is sympathizing with Roman after Monday.
Instead we have Roman in the backstage getting interviewed by Michael Cole about his match with Undertaker at Mania, shrugging his shoulders with his good boy act saying "listen I just come here and do what I need to do to be the best." Or some BS like that.
WHY?
He should have said "Hell yeah I retired the Undertaker. I would do it again if I had to. The Deadman was way past his prime, and at Wrestlmania I put him out of his misery. As for what's next? Well I'm putting the whole Raw locker room on notice, that this is my show, and that ring is my yard. I don't care if you're Finn Balor, Seth Rollins, or Brock Lesnar I will send your ass to join the deadman in the retirement home in heartbeat. Believe that."

Agreed.

WWE is so scared of turning him heel same with John Cena, which literally makes no sense. Have they not watched wrestling or their own product?? Every single big name that there ever was, excluding Cena (not really counting when he first came in as a heel. Plus Roman originally came in as heel w/ the Sheild), has been heel at one point throughout their singles run. And in almost every single instance, it has made that persons character more fresh, more entertaining, and more over in the long run.

With all the Make-A-Wish stuff and merch Cena moves (heels make less on merch, even top ones), I can see why they wouldn't want to turn Cena. They aren't as reliant on Reigns as they are Cena so I don't get the hesitation.

The Rock: Rocky Miavia --> The Rock. He eventually got so over as the heel that he became one of the biggest Faces OF ALL TIME...... and they STILL turned him heel later on down the road. To corporate Rock and again later to Hollywood Rock.

Stone Cold: Turned heel at mania 17, maybe not the best heel run, but his character became more developed and we got to see a different side of him that was ultimately beneficial.

Stone Cold regretted turning heel. Hollywood Rock came about because he was on his way out and people turned on him for leaving. His Hollywood Rock stint wasn't that long and they had big names cover him being a heel (Hogan, Austin and Goldberg).

Corporate Rock wasn't a top guy yet. He was upper-midcard. He became a top guy around late 1999.

Hulk Hogan has done a big heel turn, Undertaker has been heel, literally every big name at one point or another has ran as a heel at some point in there career.

Undertaker was never the top guy. Hogan did it in WCW.

Look at the popularity of WWE/Professional Wrestling since the Cena era began.... probably some of the lowest times. Why? Because WWE thought it was a good idea if THEY hand picked ONE guy to be "The Face if the company" and then not change or develope his character AT ALL in about 13 years and counting.
Now WWE is setting up that very same pattern with their new "Face of the company" Roman Reigns.

This is really ignorant. This is ignoring a ton of different factors. Also, WWE has set a record for revenue the last few years in a row (not the same as net income though).

 

[MWRedskins]

What more will it take you ask?? well a heel turn will be a major step in the right direction. Now it wont happen overnight, the fans dont want to cheer Roman and wont even when he's a heel (at least at first)....but if he develops and shows the fans what they want as a heel, they'll eventually cheer him.

Samoa Joe is a heel and he gets a major pop when he shows up, same with Kevin Owens. Alot of adult males like the heel wrestler and will cheer them if they are cool heels who can speak and are monster type heels.

Now WWE wont turn Roman Reigns because he gets them what they want....fan reaction and of course he makes money from the kids who love for their parents to buy them his stuff.

 

[Navi]

I hate every excuse WWE and some of the people on here give too.
"Well he sells the most merch." -- Big freaking deal. They also probably make more Roman Reigns merch than any other superstar. It has been the same with John Cena for years now. "He's the top merch seller"... yeah because when you go to get a shirt at an event, there are 5 different colored John Cena shirts to choose from, not to mention arm bands and other things.

"Well he gets a reaction wherever he goes. Doesn't matter if it's a good or a bad one, it's better than not getting one."
- While I do agree with that notion, in Roman Reigns case it's just simply not healthy. People are flat out pissed off about the continued push of this man without ANY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER.

I have a legit question about this fact. If you watch any show with Reigns on it he's getting boo'd out of the building, so it looks like everyone hate's the guy right? So who the hell is buying all this merchandise that he's being credited with selling.

Like you don't go into a paint store look at the colour's pick out the one you hate the most and buy enough to paint your entire house, do you? So if no one likes this guy, who is buying all his shirts and stuff, Vince?

It has always baffled me the reaction to him and yet the sales figures are apparently there to disprove it . Something doesn't add up here.

 

[therockiswwf]

I have a legit question about this fact. If you watch any show with Reigns on it he's getting boo'd out of the building, so it looks like everyone hate's the guy right? So who the hell is buying all this merchandise that he's being credited with selling.

Like you don't go into a paint store look at the colour's pick out the one you hate the most and buy enough to paint your entire house, do you? So if no one likes this guy, who is buying all his shirts and stuff, Vince?

It has always baffled me the reaction to him and yet the sales figures are apparently there to disprove it . Something doesn't add up here.

Adult males are louder than kids. Not everyone hates the guy. House show crowds give Roman a better reaction (or at least the ones I've been at). Saw a pretty good amount of kids wearing his stuff.

You could tell Cena sold a lot of stuff (due to having unique, bright colored shirts) even when he was booed. I'm assuming Roman's stuff is black so it is harder to tell.

 

[Navi]

Adult males are louder than kids. Not everyone hates the guy. House show crowds give Roman a better reaction (or at least the ones I've been at). Saw a pretty good amount of kids wearing his stuff.

You could tell Cena sold a lot of stuff (due to having unique, bright colored shirts) even when he was booed. I'm assuming Roman's stuff is black so it is harder to tell.

Yea see that's the thing. When they pan the audience like they do all the time, you can see the Booty'o shirts, Styles, Balor Club, Cena of course, Bayley and others. I don't see a lot of Reigns shirts out there. Now if he is number one is sales you would think that you would see a lot more. Even at house shows Cena is the number one shirt you see.

 

[therockiswwf]

Yea see that's the thing. When they pan the audience like they do all the time, you can see the Booty'o shirts, Styles, Balor Club, Cena of course, Bayley and others. I don't see a lot of Reigns shirts out there. Now if he is number one is sales you would think that you would see a lot more. Even at house shows Cena is the number one shirt you see.

Visual inventories would not be the best way to gauge this. His stuff may not be as noticeable. Online sales/fans not at the show factor in as well. House show crowds being different. There is no reason to fake who is the top merch seller. Ryder even dethroned Cena for like a week so I 100% doubt any trickery is going on here.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

1) Get a time machine and redo Royal Rumble 2015.

or

2) Turn him heel.

We all know neither will happen. It's the same as it was with Cena. He's mega-pushed as the top guy for the next 10 years, even though he's mostly booed.

I'm not sure what else to say. Reigns is the guy, whether we like it or not. Let's just move on.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

Yea see that's the thing. When they pan the audience like they do all the time, you can see the Booty'o shirts, Styles, Balor Club, Cena of course, Bayley and others. I don't see a lot of Reigns shirts out there. Now if he is number one is sales you would think that you would see a lot more. Even at house shows Cena is the number one shirt you see.

Plus as a saw in montreal a couple of weeks ago, while fans do buy alot of reigns merch, they don't actually wear them during the actual event. They rather just keep it in their bag and wear the shirt outside the event. Also reigns does have more different type of merc then any other wrestlers out their. I saw a lot of kids buys those roman reigns gloves when I went to that live event. He also got caps, pendent and wallet that are sold at the event that you might fans can buy and it won't necessarily show on tv.

When you talk merch sell, it's not just t-shirt sell, it's everything else as well that you don't necessarily see on tv.

 

[ShinChan]

I think that IWC fans and journalists are still in that mode of wanting a clear cut division between Heel and Babyface. If he act like a babyface and get booed, he failed and should be turn heel, if he act like a heel and get cheered then he fails as a heel and should be turn babyface. The fact of the matter is that'S their no more clear cut heel and babyfaces anymore in WWE, in fact their hasn'T a clear cut division between the 2 for a long time now. Fans will cheer for who they want and boo who they want.

So what will it take for fans to cheer for reigns, probably the same thing it will take for fans to start caring for dean ambrose again and that'S a shield reunion. I think at this point it's the only way that fans will cheer for him.

Yeah, unfortunately it's ShinChan again for you.

So in the bolded part, you say that fans will start caring about Dean Ambrose if The Shield is reunited. Right? Am I reading it right this time? If yes, then why are you saying something far away from reality? Fans will start caring means you want to imply that fans don't care for him? Really? Really? Here's a proof:

Spoiler

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See it properly and tell me that fans don't care for Ambrose. I have no problem with varying opinions but something so absurd and away from facts isn't acceptable. I have used the latest example so that you can't use "Fans don't care anymore" stuff. You can find multiple examples proving yourself wrong.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

What I means by the fans don't cares about ambrose is that the guy use to be the most over former member of the shields now he's a distant third behind rollims and reigns. Sure he still kinda over with a certain crowd but compare to rollins and reigns, he the one that lost the most fan support.

Just go listen to the fan reaction he got compare to rollins and reigns got at mania. It was a normal mid card level reaction. That what I means when I say that fans stop caring about ambrose. He while he still get reaction when he comes out, it's less loud the it use to be a couple of years ago and let face it, his matches as been formulaic and again fans in some market have stop reacting during his matches.

There a huge difference between over and gettimg a pop when you enter the ring. Ambrose use to be over, now most of the time, he get a pop when he makes his entrance but fans don't react during the match because it's always the same spot that he does.

 

[ShinChan]

What I means by the fans don't cares about ambrose is that the guy use to be the most over former member of the shields now he's a distant third behind rollims and reigns. Sure he still kinda over with a certain crowd but compare to rollins and reigns, he the one that lost the most fan support.

Just go listen to the fan reaction he got compare to rollins and reigns got at mania. It was a normal mid card level reaction. That what I means when I say that fans stop caring about ambrose. He while he still get reaction when he comes out, it's less loud the it use to be a couple of years ago and let face it, his matches as been formulaic and again fans in some market have stop reacting during his matches.

There a huge difference between over and gettimg a pop when you enter the ring. Ambrose use to be over, now most of the time, he get a pop when he makes his entrance but fans don't react during the match because it's always the same spot that he does.

Yeah, again you'll change your statement.

When you say that fans don't care about Dean Ambrose, then you imply that fans don't care about Dean Ambrose. There's no another way of it. There's no other meaning. You have said this multiple times while never saying what you mean. If he's over in a certain way then fans do care about him regardless of your or mine opinion. Don't just change your statement when you can't defend it rightly. Dean Ambrose didn't just used to be over, he's still over. I can give you multiple proofs but it won't matter as you'll again flip your stand. Ambrose still gets more cheers than both Rollins and Reigns. No boos like Reigns. And there's a formula with every wrestler. Dean Ambrose ain't any different. But NO, FANS DON'T CARE ABOUT DEAN AMBROSE.