Look either way edge would have gotten over and became a main eventer no matter what. Cena did help but in case you dint notice vince was pushing edge to the sky after he won mitb. Edge would have gotten there one way or the other.
Yeah, he was being pushed to the sky. And no one really gave a shit about him until Cena. I'm saying Edge owes his main-event spot to Cena. Sure, Edge would have found another way to the top some day. But the fact is, he didn't.
Are you serious? dreamer and kane are legends. Dreamer is an ecw original and kane has been there for the longest time. These guys can loose every single match for the next two years and people will still love them. Look at hacksaw he was not as over with the crowd back then as he is now. The only reason he is over witht hem is cuz he is a legend. Hornswoggle? Hes a fucking comedy act of course people are going to cheer for him. Your never gonna see anyone like howrnswoggle or goldust hold a major title all they are is fucking comedy act so that pount was just stupid. Bookings does this knowing that these guys will never amount or do anything good and will always be used for comedy acts.
Fact of the matter is, you said someone would never be over with the crowd if all they did was job. I offered concrete examples of people who do nothing other than job, and still get decent reactions.
Also. Umaga, Val Venis, so on and so forth.
Seriously? ok lets see pick out a gimmick that was so stupid but the wrestler made it woprk so well that he amounted to something more than just a damn comedy act and actually won a major title. and saying creative does less than half the work when it comes to weather a wrestler will succeed or not just shows that you again have no clue what you are talking about.
You seem to think Cena's "Rapping Marine" gimmick is shit. He's still hella over AND has a title. How about Khali? He's a gibberish speaking man from India.
How about the silliest of all gimmicks? Undertaker was a fucking
DEADMAN and was still over with the crowd. Has multiple titles to boot.
For people who didn't win titles but were hella over:
How about Sexual Chocolate or whatever the fuck that was? Val Venis' "I have sex with people" gimmick? They never won titles, but the crowd loved them. Didn't the Godfather win an IC title? Maybe not. But still. Hella over. And he was a fucking pimp that walked out with a train of hos. Come the fuck on.
Oh, and I don't know what I'm talking about? You're linking "winning a major title" to something more than creative saying "OK. Let's see if you can hold the crowd." Someone can have the silliest of gimmicks, and as long as he can sell a PPV he can get that title. Hell.
Yes it does but there was no sense in making mvp look like he was going to be the next wwe champ and then have him do nothing.
Sounds like someone was reading too much into the situation and got pissed off that they didn't call the next move.
It's called building him up to main event. They can't have him jump to Raw, piss on Orton, and interrupt their major storyline. Patience is a quality you need to look into.
He hasnt done anything in the main even but face triple h for a shot at the finals for night of champions. Thats it. He wasnt even in the 4 way battle royal for the title. And the mini rumble they had he was eliminated faster than kofi. so he hasnt done anything as of yet.
PATIENCE. My god. He will be in that precious main event. Only thing? They have a huge storyline going on at the moment. Triple H is still mega pissed with Orton. Do you think Triple H is going to lose that match next Monday? No. Triple H is going to keep this storyline going until he beats the shit out of Orton and gets that championship.
Or Cena will win it. Then it'll all be fucked. Either way. MVP is not seeing that title. But it's for a good reason. They're not just having him sit there for nothing. This storyline needs to pan-out.
Name another superstar besides swagger and miz that cena has made look good? A superstar that is not established yet and needed to make a name for themselves. And even on raw cena made miz look good but then in 2 min destroyed him completely with 5 or 6 moves. How is that any better really.
What superstars have faced Cena in the past year or two that are on the level of the ECW champion and bare main-event? Really now. For the past year he's feuded with Miz, Big Show, Jericho, Batista, JBL, and Orton.
Please, from that list above, tell me who left their feud any worse for having wrestled Cena. Cena made Show give us some servicable matches, and he kept everything rolling with Jericho, Batista, JBL, and Orton. His matches with Miz have all been decent. And the one this past Monday made him look great, and I'll tell you how.
You know what happens when mid-card talent fucks around with main-event talent? The crowd expects them to be squashed. Tis why Miz lost so epically at the Bash. What happened Monday night showed that the Miz isn't mid-card level anymore. He can hack it with the big boys. He can make Cena work for his win. Sure, Cena pulled out the victory. But he's a fucking multiple time WHC and WWE champion. He's not going to lose to someone who's only really held Tag Title gold. It would make no sense for Miz to beat Cena right now. None at all. At the end of their feud, sure. After Miz learns from his matches with Cena and figures out what it takes to put away the big players. But until then? Expect Miz to be losing, or winning with roll-ups. Cena's not laying down in the middle of that ring for a while.
Its one thing to give the title holder prestige and its another thing to make him look like fucking superman. Look at the rock, kurt angle. austin, even sting. They are not made to look like superman but when they held or hold a title is the best thing that can happen.
So. You're saying your champion should be beaten by anyone? That's not a very good champion. Champions are supposed to be the "Best of the Best." Not the "Latest person to get a pin."
Yes it was i will say that. But like i said i did not like the fact that the miz whup cenas ass for 20 minutes straight and then in less than 2 minutes cena again destroyed him. If cena and miz had a back and forth match it would have been so much better I did not expect the miz to win but atleast show that the guy can not only dish it out but can take hits as well. Mis got destroyed in less than 2 minutes while cena had his ass handed to him. And after the match cena walked off like nothing only sweat and posed. notice that he jumped first before he posed.
Miz = mid-card tag champion
Cena=Multiple time WWE and WHC champion, Tag champion, US champion, the like.
Cena is a ring veteran. He knows how to pull the victory when he needs to. Miz, however, does not have that same learnedness when it comes to the ring. So Cena can be beaten for a while, then pull out the victory when he sees a weak point or an opening and he capitalizes. It's what champions do. That's why Cena pulled out the victory. He's simply been in the ring long enough to get around Miz reversing his moves. Sorry. It's what a smart former champion does.
He is never hobbling away. Look at his match with edge after big show choke slamed him through the light. Next night he was on raw barely lipping only holding his side. Another match? wrestlemani hbk and triple. nothing happened he was ok. walked of like nothing. he has done it so many times and you know it.You know what ima triple h fan but ive noticed now that he is starting to do the same thing.
You act as though Cena is the first to celebrate after a match. Or the first to not be limping after a match.
HBK fucking jumps up in the middle of a match, even if the entire match was "Let's work on HBK's back." And then delivers a kick that is murder to the knees, even though the match is almost always "Oh now! HBK's knee injury! Will it hurt him?"
Triple H is notorious for suddenly forgetting his injuries, nailing the Pedigree, and walking away like nothing happened.
Hulk Hogan. Ever heard of "Hulking up?"
Stone Cold Steve Austin was "I'm going to punch the whole match, then get beat up, then kick you in the stomach, jump and slam your head down."
Edge does nothing but get beat up, then Spear out of no where.
Orton does nothing but run away for most of the match, then RKO. Or better yet for this discussion, get his ass beat a whole lot then RKO.
What's your point about Cena not selling again?
What? did you forget that hbk was there as well. And i dint quote your other ones but let me say something. Just because one crowd is extremely over with one superstar doesnt mean that what they do is working. The crowds depend on where they go. Cena gets the biggest pop in one match and can get booed in the very next one. Read the spoilers they taped raw that same night and cena was cheered for against the miz but then got booed against triple h. Why cuz he is triple motherfucking h. and this is the second time you have said eddie won the title at wrestlmania. Eddie did not win the title at mania. He defended it there. He had already won it at no way out against brock lesnar remember that.
Oh my god. first of all, i said:
Guerrero finally getting that championship and defending it against that jackass Kurt Angle
It was a little vague in the wording, sure. But Guerrero finally had that championship from Lesnar the PPV before, and defended it against Kurt Angle. The crowd wanted Guerrero to keep his title. That's the point. That entire match of Guerrero vs. Angle is what carried the crowd. Not Benoit.
And secondly, you're not going to carry every crowd. I would never be as naive to say such a thing. But. When you're consistently over with a majority of the crowds? And when i say majority, i mean higher than 90% of them? You're doing your job. Even Triple H gets his ass booed. Even HBK. It's the fact that they carry most of the crowds. As does Cena.
Wait. the last few weeks made you belive orton is a good main eventer? in case you aint notice orton for the past few weeks has been nothing but garbage thanks to creative. He is being booked as a pussy coward heel who can only win with help of legacy.Look i am a randy orton fan but ill even admit that right now orton is garbage with the way he is being booked. creatives want to make him a vicious heel but they fucked that up completely and need to do something to fix it fast.
Orton is a HEEL. Heels:
1) Cheat
2) Cowardly get out of fighting
3) Only fight when they have to, and then see Rule 1
I dont' see you point about Orton being garbage. He does exactly what Edge does, only better. Orton was getting the crowd to pop for
Mark fucking Henry. That's right. The resident shitty monster heel of ECW was getting pops over Orton. Because Orton is that hated. He's good. Legacy may be shit, but Orton is doing just fine.
Yeah just sit tight ill get started on that.
Oh goody. I'll wait with baited breath!
Noone thinks its cool to boo cena its just that people are getting tired of him. And your just acting like some 5 year old that is getting all pissed off because people dont like cena. Shit i like orton people can boo the hell out of him dont bother me none. But its dumb fans like you that actually are helping wwe go into the shit hole.
1) It shouldn't bother you when people boo Orton. He's a FUCKING HEEL. It's what he wants. /facepalm
2) It doesn't bother me when people don't like Cena because they aren't entertained by him. Hell. He's not going to nab every crowd member. But it's when people say he doesn't do his job, or that he doesn't draw, or that he sucks as a pro-wrestler, or that he's the reason the WWE is sinking is where I get uppity. Mainly because the WWE isn't sinking. They're bringing in money hand over fist. And it's mostly because of Cena/Triple H/HBK/Taker. Honestly though.
That made no sense what so ever. I have argued with smarter cena fans that actually know what they are talking about. You made no sense at all comparing them.
If you fucking paid attention to what I wrote, it would have made sense. But then again, I'm assuming a 3rd grade reading level. I'd make pretty little pictures for you to follow, but I can't on this handy dandy forum. So i'll draw out the metaphor for you.
1) Cena is a face. Johnny Depp is a face in the play. The crowd is supposed to cheer and rally behind both of them in the context of the story.
2) Orton is a heel. Jackson is a heel in the play. The crowd is supposed to hate both of them, in the context of the story.
3) When Jackson stabs Depp's family, it's the same as Orton punting Cena's father, for the purposes of this metaphor.
4) Jackson being cheered would be the same as the crowd cheering Orton after Orton punted Cena's father.
No one, including Orton, wants it to fucking happen.
You get the metaphor now? Please. If not, I'll just drop the metaphor. Though I really shouldn't have to. Seriously.
uh no. what do you mean that doesnt count. RVD wanted to get cheered to because he was bringing back ecw.So just because a crowd dont like cena they are assholes? again you make no sense what so ever.
Yes. RVD was the heel in that match. He should have been getting pops for Cena. Do you not get basic Heel vs. Face ring psychology? I thought a veteran of the Attitude Era would understand that at least. Then again, you probably don't know the heel unless he's going around yelling "Kiss my ass!" every 5 seconds.
You have no real combacks and are just some dumb 5 year old who is in love with cena who cant handle the truth. The truth is rvd was getting cheered because why he is motherfucking RVD and you cant compare rvd to some shit no talent wreslter like cena. put rvd anywhere and he will get cheered unlike cena. People know the difference and thats why people loved rvd more than cena and wanted cena to loose. and like you said VKM gave them what they wanted.
Oh geez, insults. I would claim the Law of Ad Hominem attacks, but alas. It wouldn't shut you up. Probably wouldn't know what I'm talking about.
The comment "You can't compare RVD to some shit no talent wrestler like Cena" speaks to your having no grasp on what Pro-Wrestling really is.
Again you making no sense and you sound like a fucking 5 year old cena wins? grow up dude. and i only named 3 cuz if i named every crowed we would be here all day. England alone has every arena boo him. Mexico boos him and they dont even speak english for the most part but they know how to boo because he sucks.hahahahaha people win. grow up.
How do you know Mexico boos Cena? How about England? I didn't know you had crowd reports from every arena world wide! Are you some kind of ring manager? Or are you just making shit up? Yeah..you're probably just making shit up.
You obviously don't know why Cena is working for the WWE. He's there to make money for his company. He does that through ticket sales, through merch sales, through PPV buys. If a person buys a ticket to boo Cena or cheer Cena, they still bought that ticket to see Cena. He wins. Grasp it, please. You're looking silly.
You dont like hbk but you like cena? wow. Thats all i can say. And im looking silly? your looking foolish and like a child.
Awww. Your hundredth attempt to make me feel hurt because you called me a child. I'm a 19 year old college male, with a full-paid academic scholarship to study Biomedical Engineering at the University of Arkansas. I am no child. But please, continue to call me that. It's just filling the blank space between the parts where you don't have an argument, you make up bullshit, or you fail to grasp basic wrestling concepts.
the fact that you even think you know what you are talking about is amazing. Of course your gonna talk about the attitude era like that cuz u werent around u werent a part of it. I knew you dint even watch it or new what it really was. And wwe is shit any1 can tell u that.
Oh. are we asking the people who spell "anyone" like they forgot what the word "one" looks like? Or the people who feel they're better than everyone else because they grew up during a specific era. The only difference between you and my grandpa was that my grandpa used to say "Back in my day...I fought in motherfucking World War II." You're just saying "Back in my day my wrestling was chock full of nonsense."
Really though. Please continue to tell me how I just "don't understand."
yeah and all the 10 year olds will help him get there.rock and austin had it harder. they had to entertain millions of adults and teens not some kids.
And Cena is holding on to viewers after millions have left to watch the shit Reality TV. Austin and Rock held reign over the wrestling boom. When they all left, someone had to step up and get them back. Cena is helping do that. And to say he isn't is ludicrous.
Going back and catching up is not the same as living it. growing up with it and watching it is very different. you will never understand so just drop it. and you would rather watch a marine wanna be parade around screaming half the time saying im the best oh wait cant curse its pg. and yeah today era is way worse ask anyone who actually lived threw the attitude era they will tell you.and yeah a agree with you todays era is half because of cena. thats why the ratings are so low. people dont watch as often as they use to. and plain and simple why wwe sucks so much now is because of cena. im going to leave you with this grow up open your eyes and see the truth before its too late. wrestling will never be the same again. its dead. all we have left is this bullshit that passes of as entertainment. you missed wrestling when it was at its best. you will never truly know the rock or austin or even take and triple h. get over yourself and know that you dont know shit about wrestling cuz you have not been around that long watching it.
1) If you dog Cena's gimmick, dog everyone else's please. Their gimmicks are just as ludicrous.
2) The ratings are so low? After the one-off fans left with Austin and the Rock? Cena helped get the ratings back up.
The only other stuff I read from that was "Wah, I want Rock and Austin. Wah. I'm better than you because I watched wrestling 10 years before you."
Go back, learn your basic Heel/Face ring psychology. Go back, learn what a pro-wrestler is there to do. Then respond. Because my god. You're looking rather silly.
