What happened to these gimmick matches?

[The_Don]

Hey everyone! I've been away from the forum for some time, but here I come back again to ask your thoughts on the following gimmick matches that we haven't seen in a long time on WWE TV/PPV:

1. Scramble match - I thought this was a good concept. Why did WWE leave this stipulation out? I think the interim champion thing and the clock winding down at the end made the match exciting. Did WWE removed it because many fans didn't understand the rules?

2. Iron Man match - the last one was on 2009, why haven't we seen another one? Is it because of the length of an hour? These matches don't need to be an hour long, the Kurt Angle vs HBK Iron Man match was 30 minutes long and it was very entertaining. So why hasn't WWE done another Iron Man?

3. Boiler Room/Parking Lot match- can you imagine a Boiler Room match between Ambrose and Wyatt? I know the match was mainly tied with Mankind, but I believe other performers can have this type of match as well. Same goes with the Parking Lot.

* When Kane retires, would there be no more Inferno/Casket/Burried Alive matches? I don't count the Undertaker because he's almost retired and won't do any of these matches (likely).




What are your thoughts on these gimmick matches? Any other gimmick match that should be brought back to WWE??

 

[Soulblazed]

I don't want to see any more Casket/Buried Alive matches after Kane retires..I hope at this point Taker's unofficially retired because I don't want him to come back at any future Wrestlemania since his streak's not only dead but I also don't want Taker to hurt himself even worse than he did last year against Lesnar..

I wouldn't mind seeing one more Inferno Match as long as it's Kane's retirement match..(With wishful thinking of course) Kane could win the match and then disappear to "the bowels of hellfire and brimstone" never to be seen again.

As far as Parking lot brawls/Boiler Room Brawls, Wyatt could be an interesting pick to carry on those matches..Though the only way I could see Wyatt successfully doing this if WWE let Wyatt be extremely violent, making people bleed and putting them on stretchers..

 

[LBGetBack]

Hey everyone! I've been away from the forum for some time, but here I come back again to ask your thoughts on the following gimmick matches that we haven't seen in a long time on WWE TV/PPV:

1. Scramble match - I thought this was a good concept. Why did WWE leave this stipulation out? I think the interim champion thing and the clock winding down at the end made the match exciting. Did WWE removed it because many fans didn't understand the rules?

2. Iron Man match - the last one was on 2009, why haven't we seen another one? Is it because of the length of an hour? These matches don't need to be an hour long, the Kurt Angle vs HBK Iron Man match was 30 minutes long and it was very entertaining. So why hasn't WWE done another Iron Man?

3. Boiler Room/Parking Lot match- can you imagine a Boiler Room match between Ambrose and Wyatt? I know the match was mainly tied with Mankind, but I believe other performers can have this type of match as well. Same goes with the Parking Lot.

* When Kane retires, would there be no more Inferno/Casket/Burried Alive matches? I don't count the Undertaker because he's almost retired and won't do any of these matches (likely).




What are your thoughts on these gimmick matches? Any other gimmick match that should be brought back to WWE??

Agree with you on Iron man matches, especially. I don't know why they never do those anymore.....too much wrestling for them? Sad to say, but al the emphasis on "sports entertainment" and de-emphasizing wrestling and titles could be the reason. Just guessing though. They have guys who can go in the ring and could be elevated by it.(Ziggler, Rollins, Ambrose, Cesaro) and veterans who could do a good job in it(Lesnar, Jericho).

Also, agree that Wyatt seems tailor made for a Boiler Room Brawl. The Parking Lot brawl is probably unnecessarily dangerous though. There aren't many cool things you can do that aren't dangerous, and if they're not going to do those things then they're just trading punches.

I have to say I didn't care for the Scramble. It's just too busy and too luck-based, in my opinion. It worked as a cheap way to put the title on Jericho, who was THE most hated heel at the time. But it would be a horrible way for a face to win a title. It basically only would work for a heel you want to win in a really cheap, underhanded way.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Of those matches, the only one I miss is the Iron Man match. I think these matches should be used rarely but, as has been mentioned, it's been over 5 years since the last one was held. I think that's because Vince likes to pack as much as he can onto ppvs, plus a lot of talents gripe if they're not on a ppv to get a share of a bigger than normal payday. That in & of itself was probably the one true reason why they held the Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal at WrestleMania XXX.

To my knowledge, the only Boiler Room Brawl in history took place between Taker & Mankind way back in the 90s. It was an interesting match but, when it's all said & done, when you've seen one street fight/brawl/no DQ/no holds barred match, you've kinda seem 'em all. As far as Casket & Inferno matches, I'm not interested in them. The Inferno Match itself is a bit too hokey for my tastes in this day & age. It's something that may well have been a huge deal back in the 70s & 80s but in this day & age, it just seems outdated. Casket matches also seem kinda outdated to me. I know that there's supposed to be the whole psychological element about what being placed into a casket means but it's just something that's not what it once was.

 

[LBGetBack]

Of those matches, the only one I miss is the Iron Man match. I think these matches should be used rarely but, as has been mentioned, it's been over 5 years since the last one was held. I think that's because Vince likes to pack as much as he can onto ppvs, plus a lot of talents gripe if they're not on a ppv to get a share of a bigger than normal payday. That in & of itself was probably the one true reason why they held the Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal at WrestleMania XXX.

To my knowledge, the only Boiler Room Brawl in history took place between Taker & Mankind way back in the 90s. It was an interesting match but, when it's all said & done, when you've seen one street fight/brawl/no DQ/no holds barred match, you've kinda seem 'em all. As far as Casket & Inferno matches, I'm not interested in them. The Inferno Match itself is a bit too hokey for my tastes in this day & age. It's something that may well have been a huge deal back in the 70s & 80s but in this day & age, it just seems outdated. Casket matches also seem kinda outdated to me. I know that there's supposed to be the whole psychological element about what being placed into a casket means but it's just something that's not what it once was.

A casket match is pointless unless it involves the Undertaker.

And Inferno matches in the 70's and 80's? I don't think so. They came into being with Kane in the late 90's, I'm almost positive.

Those were superstar specific specialty matches, and I doubt we'll see them again unless they give Kane a big sendoff push before he retires(I doubt it).

And I agree, the Iron Man match should be used sparingly. But I do hope they have another one within the next year. Dolph vs. Rollins would be my choice or a healthy Bryan vs. Rollins.

 

[rmp0012002]

Aside from an Ironman match the others were wrestler specific matches. Today's wrestlers aren't trained endurance wise to do hour matches like Flair, Steamboat and Race use to do every night. Wrestling today is about minimum wrestling and heavy soap opera.

 

[HBKistheHOF]

I didn't mind the Scramble match but it was too complicated for the casual viewers.

While I would like to eventually see another Iron Man match, I'm not sure if today's audience has the attention span for it. Also it's one of the few stipulations that still feels really special so I think waiting a few years in between each one & waiting for the proper feud/storyline to come along is actually a good thing.

I think the Parking Lot Brawl, although cool in the past, was too costly & too time consuming for the pay off we ultimately got. Also it may be too aggressive of a stipulation for today's audience & would probably just get watered down like other hardcore stipulations.

As for the Boiler Room Brawl, I think that belongs with the last bunch of stipulations, which I think brings up a really interesting question... Will stipulations associated with a specific superstar like Kane & the Inferno match, The Undertaker & Casket/Last Ride match, Mankind & Boiler Room Brawls, etc. last on past that superstars tenure??? & I think I'm actually leaning towards no. Although for example the Hell in a Cell match that used to also be closely related to The Undertaker as well has already lived on past just being used for him, I don't really see anyone else having Inferno matches or Casket matches without Kane or Undertaker being involved. Or like in the case of Wyatt & Ambrose having a Boiler Room Brawl, that sounds freaking awesome but if WWE did want to have a match like that then I'm sure WWE would probably want to tweak it anyways for today's viewer & change the name to add to the pantheon of stipulations they've already created.

So ultimately I think there is a reason certain stipulations die off, some become irrelevant after a while & in the case of others, the promotion simply wants to create new kinds of matches or tweak old ones for the modern day performers.

 

[TheICChampion]

Oh, JH, you forgot Big Shi- I mean Show and Mankind in a Boiler Room Brawl at Backlash '99. But that's OK, most people have. As far as Casket and Inferno matches, I haven't really missed them, as well as Scramble Matches. As far as Ironman matches, it would be cool if Rollins and Ambrose pick up their feud again and have this be the deciding match.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Scramble Match
I detest this match type. It was an extremely stupid concept and there's a reason it has been so many years since the last time we saw one. I give WWE credit for trying something new at the time, but this was just dumb. It could work as a #1 contendership match, but it should NEVER return in a Championship capacity. The whole "interim champion" thing is beyond frustrating and I can't fathom why anyone would want this concept back.

Iron Man Match
This should only be done once every several years. Cena and Orton had the last one 5 years ago.... and it should be saved for a showdown between the two top stars of the era that it returns in. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan could have had one, but as for today's roster I am unsure. Ambrose and Rollins perhaps if their feud is revisited in a couple of years. This type must be saved for when the time is right, it will be worth the wait.

Boiler Room/Parking Lot Match
These could return at Extreme Rules. That show rarely ever does anything "extreme" anymore and it could be something interesting. The Boiler Room Match will probably never come back.... but a Parking Lot Match shouldn't be out of the question. Imagine someone like Ambrose getting put in one.

Inferno/Casket/Buried Alive Matches
I doubt any of these will become common anytime soon. When Kane retires the match types might very well get retired with him. Wyatt maybe could inherit them as a specialty, but outside of perhaps at Extreme Rules, do we really want these match types back? Casket matches don't seem like as big of a deal anymore while Buried Alive or Inferno matches wouldn't feel right without Undertaker or Kane respectively.

 

[Softcore Holly]

1. It was a interesting idea but overall the scramble just led to a lot of chasing thanks to heels and way too much focus on the clock than the actual match.

2. A good IM match can be legendary so you need the right people for it, they've already done it with Cena/Orton so I'm not sure who else can they do it with. Although now that you mention it Cena vs Lesnar 3 as a IM match would probably be amazing but there's no way they're going to have something as long as the Rumble and a IM match in the same PPV, not that I would complain about losing the few filler matches that's usually on the card.

3. Falls count anywhere can cover both areas without the restriction.

4. If Kane's last inferno match was any indication on any possible future inferno matches I would be happy to see it go because that match was terrible. I put safety as high on the priorities list as anyone but there's really no point having a "dangerous match" when you're going to neuter it to the level of using nerf bats. Casket/BA is more taker's thing and yeah they might go when he's gone, but I can see Bray being crazy enough to want to bury someone alive so who knows.

Out of the list IM is the only one I miss and the main issue there we would need the right stars for it, like the Cena Brock idea. If Taker's up for it a Casket Match as his final one before retiring would be fitting, and the BA can be used for other guys as a ER match with a twist ending. But other than that I can live without the rest.

 

[BuriedByCena]

I miss the Iron Man Match. The main reason we have not had one in 5 years is mostly because there is only a handful of wrestlers who have the ability to do it.

Punk is gone.
Bryan is injured.
HHH is basically retired at this point so I won't bother counting him.
This leaves Ziggler, Rollins and Ambrose who have the skills to go the distance. And as much as I hate to say it, Cena/Orton did an Iron Man match which was decent so they could also do one.

But no one wants to see Cena attempting to wrestle again for an hour straight. Based on the storylines, Rollins Vs Ambrose has the best chance of an Iron-Man happening someday. Rollins/Orton would be a good match up too. Ziggler could do it and I would have him face either Rollins or Orton.

What would be really cool is a Triple Threat Iron Man or a 4-Way Iron-man. And knowing how much Cena loves stealing the spot light, we would probably get one of those so he is involved.

 

[Vader]

Inferno matches won't likely return in the PG era. If the WWE is increasingly marketing to kids, then it's unlikely we will see many wrestlers get set on fire anytime soon.

To me the Triple Cage match that WCW had has always had the greatest spectacle and I think seeing it brought back could easily elevate some talent in an otherwise lackluster main event.

 

[Radical]

Scramble Match
I used to say I really wanted this match type back but the more I think about it the more I'm okay with the fact it's been gone for so long. I enjoyed it because you got to see a lot of wrestlers at the same time and most of them would get a chance to shine but it was probably a very hard match to plan because of the time limit and if they wanted a crazy finish, that would be even harder to do. Plus, I think that match was "introduced" by former terrible GM Mike Adamle and if they brought it back maybe they think it would still have a bad stigma attached to it.

Iron Man Match
This type of match is really interesting but very special. You definitely don't want to have this match type too often because it will lose it's appeal and significance fairly quickly.That said, if the last one was a whole 5 years ago I think that is too long to go. I think an Iron Man match should happen once every 2 years or so. It would be a great final match to end a 3-4 month long feud between two top talents.

I could see a great Iron Man match in the future between Ambrose vs Rollins, Bryan vs Zayn/Neville or Cesaro vs Ziggler. Not a really a ton of options but, that's good, it means if those matches happened in the next year or two they would be very highly requested and dramatic.

Boiler Room/Parking Lot Match
Honestly, I know these type of matches are brutal and very dangerous but if it's with very smart wrestlers then I really enjoy seeing them. Any of the hardcore/falls count anywhere matches really appeal to me. I know it's bad because it hurts their bodies even more than they already do with regular ring work but it also adds just another great element to any rivalry that is really intense and needs a big finish.

Some of my all-time favorite gimmick matches include Rock vs Mankind in a Empty Arena and Stone Cold vs Booker T in a Supermarket! I think it is LONG overdue for WWE to have another 'location' hardcore match/segment. The Rock vs Mankind one was actually a match, which was cool and had awesome spots and funny spots too but the Stone Cold vs Booker T one was just a segment to further the storyline but it was great!

Falls Count Anywhere/Locational Hardcore matches/segments are cool but shouldn't happen TOO often or they lose their appeal but I'd like to see them maybe 2 or 3 times a year.

Inferno/Casket/Buried Alive Matches
I'm quite okay with no more Inferno, Casket, or Buried Alive matches myself. I never really enjoyed them. They made sense for Kane, Undertaker and Mankind and even if Wyatt or maybe down the road The Ascension might make 'sense' for them to have those matches I still don't care to see them again. I'd rather see a new type of gimmick match if they want to go that way.

 

[Cats Pajamas]

I'll never miss the Buried Alive matches. To pretend like you're going to bury someone alive is stupid enough, but when they come back 3 months later anyway it reaches a level of disbelief that I'm unwilling to suspend. There's got to be another way to fit a beatdown with shovels into a match.

They've had some great iron man matches, but [I don't think] I've ever watched one from start to finish. I don't have the attention span for that.

 

[SHANE]

Most fans these days wouldn't have the attention span to watch an iron man match.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

Hey everyone! I've been away from the forum for some time, but here I come back again to ask your thoughts on the following gimmick matches that we haven't seen in a long time on WWE TV/PPV:

1. Scramble match - I thought this was a good concept. Why did WWE leave this stipulation out? I think the interim champion thing and the clock winding down at the end made the match exciting. Did WWE removed it because many fans didn't understand the rules?

2. Iron Man match - the last one was on 2009, why haven't we seen another one? Is it because of the length of an hour? These matches don't need to be an hour long, the Kurt Angle vs HBK Iron Man match was 30 minutes long and it was very entertaining. So why hasn't WWE done another Iron Man?

3. Boiler Room/Parking Lot match- can you imagine a Boiler Room match between Ambrose and Wyatt? I know the match was mainly tied with Mankind, but I believe other performers can have this type of match as well. Same goes with the Parking Lot.

* When Kane retires, would there be no more Inferno/Casket/Burried Alive matches? I don't count the Undertaker because he's almost retired and won't do any of these matches (likely).




What are your thoughts on these gimmick matches? Any other gimmick match that should be brought back to WWE??

1. You answered your own question. The Scramble match was a great match, and was manic, but it had a few problems. The first was the 20 min time limit. It meant that your main event, no matter what, was 20 mins long. Now, on a video game that's great. In real life, apply rest holds and wasted time where action doesn't always flow, and it's not...actually that long of a match. Also, 5 guys in 1 match is a clusterfuck and it raises the chance of injury. When you've already got Money in the Bank with 8, and Survivor tag matches, as well as battle royales at Mania and the Rumble, you're increasing chances of losing a top flight star to injury. It's easier to minimise with less people. Finally, the rules. It seems easy but honestly, if it involves too much trying to work out who your champ is or isnt, and whether theyre actually champ or not...well...yeah, it's easy to get confused and switch off.


2. Iron man matches are still around, they're just a rarity in WWE, for 2 reasons. 1. They're rare, but also 2. They're one of the FEW match types that arent exhausted. Hell in a Cell matches, 2 a year. TLC, 2 a year. We NEED matches like Iron man that show their faces every 5-7 years. They're a HIGHLY personal match for a start. Second, an hour is really the only perfect time for one. Half an hour is too short, baring in mind that a pinfall normally happens at a PPV at around 20 mins for a main match. That gives you a 2-1 scoreline, which by all accounts isn't very exciting. The term Iron Man in sports, refers to endurance and how long you can survive doing a particular set of tasks. An hour is the ideal for it, but it's very very long as far as a match goes.


3. Boiler room/Parking lot - So I wanna get this straight. Take a look at the match types here. No real health and safety involved in these, just batter opponents in a different setting. Only the ring/surrounding arena...they have padding and places to make bumps hurt less. Parking lots. Boiler rooms. Not so. These are dangerous places, and it's all too easy for either 1) matches to get dampened down due to risk of injury or 2) injuries to happen. All of that, and the matches are usually pre-taped as opposed to live. I'm glad these are gone.


4. Casket, Buried alive and Inferno will be taken on. In fact, theyre likely being rested as match types now, until Kane retires. Casket should be known as Taker's match and should be retired with him. Inferno and Buried alive though, these could be taken on by our new friends, The Ascention, and Bray Wyatt. We just need outlandish characters to pull these types of matches off. Most people won't miss them anyway.


It's funny but the BEST type of match in my book is just a 1 on 1 singles match. Maybe a 2 out of 3 falls at a push. I just wanna see wrestling in my wrestling shows...is that too much to ask?

 

[Vader]

I think an Iron Man match can elevate talent in a lot of ways. It's basically a showcase of how creative an exhaustive two guys can work together. For guys like Bret and Michaels it worked out well. If you've got smash wrestlers with limited move set then it won't hold the attention of anyone.

 

[DirtyDickSlater]

Anybody remember the Wildcard Survivor Series match made by President Gorilla Monsoon in 1995? I always thought that was a great concept placing rivals on the same team and teams on opposing teams. HBK (face) Ahmed Johnson (face) British Bulldog (heel) Psycho Sid (heel) vs Razor Ramon (face) Dean Douglas (heel) Yokozuna (heel) and Owen Hart (heel). Survivor Series needs a serious shot in the arm and this could be it. Imagine a wildcard team of something like Rollins, Ambrose, Cena, and Bray vs Reigns, Dolph, Orton, and Rusev or some other wildcombinations...we wouldnt know what to expect.

 

[Vader]

They also did one where the remnants of the face factions who didn't get eliminated would join up against the remnants of the heel faction. It'd be interesting to see this concept put in a war games match.

 

[FlairFan2003]

Most fans these days wouldn't have the attention span to watch an iron man match.

Fact is, even with great performers these matches do horrible ratings on TV. HHH-Benoit did one did they not and the numbers were bad, fans will tune in for the last few minutes to see the end and tune out the rest.

They work on PPV where you are paying to watch because you are more invested in the match quality, plus after you paid money you aren't likely to change the channel.

There were some longer matches on regular TV, particular Flair-Sting that drew well, but that was many years ago.

Finally, you have two guys who can work really well and pace a match properly, they have to be able to sell the other guy convincingly and stretch a match for a long time without doing any spots that would seem to unrealistic to come back from. You can pack a lot of violence into a TLC match with the expectation it only lasts about 15 minutes and after a couple of big spots the loser is finished. You also need two guys who can read an audience well and be able to slow the match down at times without losing interest and know when to "speed things up" and increase the action.

Those kinds of talents, of which HHH was one, are rare, especially in an era where thanks to RAW and SmackDown you typically only have to entertain for 15 minutes max in the ring.

 

[jamesubrown1]

I miss the Iron Mam match.I wanted to share this everyone the talk that has spread about a possible Iron match between CM PUNK and Daniel Bryan and to see where that could potentially sit among the other increedible encounters on this list

 

[kadroan]

Hey everyone! I've been away from the forum for some time, but here I come back again to ask your thoughts on the following gimmick matches that we haven't seen in a long time on WWE TV/PPV:

1. Scramble match - I thought this was a good concept. Why did WWE leave this stipulation out? I think the interim champion thing and the clock winding down at the end made the match exciting. Did WWE removed it because many fans didn't understand the rules?

2. Iron Man match - the last one was on 2009, why haven't we seen another one? Is it because of the length of an hour? These matches don't need to be an hour long, the Kurt Angle vs HBK Iron Man match was 30 minutes long and it was very entertaining. So why hasn't WWE done another Iron Man?

3. Boiler Room/Parking Lot match- can you imagine a Boiler Room match between Ambrose and Wyatt? I know the match was mainly tied with Mankind, but I believe other performers can have this type of match as well. Same goes with the Parking Lot.

* When Kane retires, would there be no more Inferno/Casket/Burried Alive matches? I don't count the Undertaker because he's almost retired and won't do any of these matches (likely).




What are your thoughts on these gimmick matches? Any other gimmick match that should be brought back to WWE??

I'd love to see a Iron Man match. They could use it for major feuds like Cena vs. Brock. They could even use it for the mid card feuds like Ziggler vs. BNB/Harper.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

Out of these matches, I am only excited for the Scramble and the Ironman match.

The Scramble was indeed a very interesting concept, with a "random" guy coming out every 5 minutes and there was an exact 20 minute period until it was over, kinda like a time limit match. It was really exciting and both those matches that happened before were awesome.

The Ironman match is really what wrestling should be all about. Put two guys that can work there and let them tear the house down. It should only happen like once a year, maybe once every two years. It is so special and it should only be used for feuds to end.

That being said, I can imagine WWE creating an Ironman special event now, where all matches are Ironman matches -_-