What do you think about Bischoff Now?

[JenksIX]

I gotta make this shit quick.

For the first time ever, I see on these forums that TNA is whooping WWE's sections ass. So anyway, I want to jump on ride while I can.

IWC, the majority of you from what I can tell, your reputation seems to be that your all into the indy guys and all you care about is wrestlers in ring performance. I hate that b/c that's not what's suppose to judge a wrestling show or w/e. When you talk about wrestling you say Samoa Joe vs Christopher Daniels vs AJ Styles was the/one of the best matches ever. That's the problem. Wrestling is suppose to be about feuds.

Anyway, I know the IWC hate Bischoff and Hogan but this is what I have been waiting for from Bischoff. I really could careless about Hogan and I couldn't wait for him to shut up tonight, but I feel he's good for TNA in a "seldom seen, more admired role." As for "The Bish", he might not be the most creative mind ever in wrestling, but he's good enough too help Russo in a sapped creative team.

WWE is able too make Sheamus, McIntyre, Miz, Barrett etc look good b/c their writing and creative team is much larger then TNA's.

Now I don't know where TNA will go, but I think it's about time the IWC respect the talent of Easy E. I can't wait to see what happens next.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I find it funny how people still think that the IWC is any different from your average wrestling fan. You DO realize that 99% of the wrestling fans have access to internet and are posting crap all over the world wide web, right? This isn't 1996 or something. It's 2010.

That being said, it's not like the IWC is one big ugly monster that hates everything ( even though it feels like it). Some hate EZ E, some love him - like I do. Some hate Vince Russo - I think he's done as much good as he's done bad and I respect the fact that he's trying to break the mold and do something different from time to time, we sometimes need it. He has his moments, that's all I know.

'We' care about wrestlers' in ring performers because we are WRESTLING fans, not sports entertainment fans. That term is absolute bullshit and I hate it, it should die tomorrow. Joe vs Daniels vs AJ IS one of the best matches I've ever seen. It was off the hook. 'We' care about the indy scene because at time it's better than "the pros".

What do I think about Bish? I think he's greater than I thought he was. Great angle, great show, great everything. Kudos to him and his "sapped" creative team..psh..

And by the way, Sheamus and McIntyre's ways to greatness are the two laziest ways to make someone look good I've ever seen.

"Yeah, let's make him win the title in his first mo-..oh he already did it" and who could forget "Let McMahon "endorse" him without even being in the fucking ring with him, that'll make people believe he's great". Is that their "creative" decision? Yes, grounbreaking.

And The Miz? PLEASE! Miz made himself! The entire WWE crew and lockerroom thought this guy was a joke, and to be honest, a lot of the fans did too. WWE had no chance but to push him.

Barret's the only guy who they brought up in a creative, smart way.

The size of WWE's creative team has nothing to do with anything. We all know how bromidic they are.

 

[Roland Thompson Gunner]

I'm a part of the IWC and defy everything you've painted me out to be. Daniels, vs. AJ vs. Joe is indeed freakin' great. I love the passion and the work those guys put into the what they do. However, two wrestles who I make a point to watch when they're on TV are Mark Henry and Goldust. Not exactly your internet darlings. I think Henry is underrated and has the potential to be great. Maybe not workrate-wise like Joe, AJ, or Daniels. But built properly, I think a Mark Henry vs. John Cena encounter could mock Hogan vs. Andre. I know that's a huge comparison, but you get my drift...I hope.

As for Bischoff and Russo...the two are a lot alike. Bischoff likes to take credit for the success of WCW, but I doubt he had much to do with it as did the circumstances and the talent. Russo likes to take credit for the success of the Attitude Era of the WWF, but I bed he had less to do with it than he leads you to believe. In my opinion, folks rich in wrestling history are the best at booking a promotion. Not writers or TV producers.

 

[One to Remember]

Bischoff is and always has been very bright. The only similarities he and Russo share is their inabilities to concede that at the helms of WCW and the WWF creative teams during their respective primes they did not in fact act alone but did have help and some of their ideas edited by others. I find it odd that his biggest contribution to date to TNA is making it into a defunct federation who he tried to decimate in the '90s. Eitherway he's smarter then Russo, Sultan of the Swerve, Raj of the Rehash, and I think once the new ECW storyline dies down E Z E will do some more unique things in TNA that are more inovative. They are deffinently better without him vs without.

 

[Lancer]

IWC, the majority of you from what I can tell, your reputation seems to be that your all into the indy guys and all you care about is wrestlers in ring performance. I hate that b/c that's not what's suppose to judge a wrestling show or w/e. When you talk about wrestling you say Samoa Joe vs Christopher Daniels vs AJ Styles was the/one of the best matches ever. That's the problem. Wrestling is suppose to be about feuds.

That's funny, because that match (yes, it was a classic, so what) was part of a feud.

Joe had been tearing apart the X Division and defeated Styles in a Number One Contender's match at Sacrifice that year, but only because Daniels interfered to help Joe. Because of the interference, Larry Zbysko booked the three in the Unbreakable match. Styles won the match, but Joe later attacked Daniels (putting him out of action), provoking Styles to call him out. These two had a series of matches and eventually Daniels came back for vengeance. So, it was a three-way feud that lasted from May 2005 until March 2006.

Ok so now that that's cleared up...I have to agree with you on Eric Bischoff and how he is constantly berated for re-hashing storylines (the nWo, Wolfpac, etc.). He has one of the best minds in wrestling, and if you need proof read his book Controversy Creates Cash.

And if the rumblings about the supposed storyline are true (another thread--http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=126953), then in my mind Bischoff (and Russo) will have silenced all doubters. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I've always respected and enjoyed Easy E's creativity in this industry, and I for one was ecstatic when he signed on with TNA with Hogan back in January. Hogan was hit or miss for me – he made sense on paper, but personally I didn't really care all that much – I was much more excited about the Bischoff signing, as Bischoff IMO is one of the smarter businessmen and more intelligent wrestling minds available today.

 

[Tully]

If Bischoff came up with last night's Fortune-Run-In idea, then I applaud him loudly. If he keeps Hogan in the background (WAY in the background) and keeps pushing Fortune (every member of Fortune NEEDS some push/spotlight), then I'll continue applauding and watching.

I, for one, was getting damn tired of watching those fat old washed-up ex-ECW guys hog the spotlight for the last month or so, esp. that whiny little Tommy Dreamer (god, STFU and stop crying)....and thank Bischoff (if he came up with it) for letting Fortune come in and simply beat the holy hell out of those guys.

Or, as the TNA live crowd might put it:

Thank you, Eric (clap clap clap-clap-clap)
Thank you, Eric (clap clap clap-clap-clap)
Thank you, Eric (clap clap clap-clap-clap)
Thank you, Eric (clap clap clap-clap-clap)


I just hope Bischoff doesn't decide to turn this into some "the world vs the fat, ex-ECW wrestlers" angle, unless it's an excuse to beat 'em down again.

PS: When was annoying Bill Alphonso's fucking-stupid whistle EVER not annoying and dumb as hell?! Shut the hell up!!!!

 

[3/4 Facelock]

I still think Easy E is a piece of junk. I still call him one of the 3 Stooges along with Carter & Hogan.

Do you remember TNA about 2 years ago? Fucking awesome to watch. After those 3 teamed up everything turned into a pile of shit. Nasty Boys & Sean Morley? Seriously? Fuck nostalgia. I remember how shitty they were back then when I was 18.

Getting rid of the 6 sides. Putting up the old man ramp. Releasing Daniels. Real American Abyss. RVD the instant champ. Where's Joe's kidnapper? It's been close to 6 months now. What about that person Hogan was on the way to pick up at the airport, but left so he could go back to the iMpact Zone? Who was that? Is he/she still at the airport? That was almost 6 months ago too.

Remember how prestigious the Tag Titles were? Remember the international tag tournament? Then they put the belts on The Band and they keep holding the titles without actual wrestling? Oh, that's their "gimmick"? Fuck that. The most prestegous tag belts in the entire US are now props.

Eric Young elevating his persona and career now buried and nearly destroyed with the flipity flopity angles he was put in and the flipity flopity character change back to a mental idiot. Nice job writers.

The Knockout Division. Quite possibly one of the most interesting things I have ever seen on televised wresting. Women who can really wrestle and interesting storylines. Well, that's gone. Nice job bringing it to cusp of being as bad as the WWE Diva division. Oh they're hot? I'm sorry. I thought I tuned in to a WRESTLING show.

Who’s in the X-Division? I can make note of 3 guys. Red, Douglas, and BK. Everyone else is just a guess.

Legends Belt = Global Championship = TV Title = WTF? This is not how you build prestige to a title. But if the Tag Titles are any indication then this title is also a prop.

The booking seems to be done by people who are fans of wrestling who want “dream matches” and not actual bookers who know the wrestlers and know their chemistry and skill levels and know which ones would work well together and which ones can put on a good match/feud.

On top of that…don’t forget weak build up in feuds and dropped feuds and storylines.

Going up head-to-head against the WWE? Why? For what? You ended up back at the same place but worse off.

These and more are my problems with TNA and these and more have occurred under Eric Bischoff. In less than 1 fucking year! That is why I think he is junk.

Now, with that being said TNA looks like they’re fixing their past mistakes. But too little, too late. They have a long way to go to win me back. I am a fan of TNA and have been since its inception. I am still a fan. That is why I am so pissed that the 3 Stooges dragged TNA down.

I am not and will never be one of these idiots who think TNA can do no wrong. Apparently, for nearly 6 months they disassembled a great product to reassemble it into god-knows-what.

Dipshits and multiquoters (i.e: ad hominem writers) out there seem to think that when someone bashes TNA they must sweep in to rescue it and defame anyone who says a bad word about it. They’re tired of “whinning”. They’re “sick of it”. You know what I’m sick of? TNA fucking up a winning product. I'm tired of TNA smarks having their heads so far up eachother's asses that they can't see the forest for the trees.

You see, I don’t have a problem with the talent and what goes on in the ring. I have a problem with the 3 inept people who “run” TNA and how they have done so far. Especially Eric Bischoff.

 

[The Viper Orton]

I like the attack. I always admired Bischoff. But his mistake for me was joining hogan for the 2nd time to help TNA. I belive if Eric was alone, TNA wouldve got better ratings in Monday nights. He was full of shit in TNA. X-division is adrenaline of TNA and we saw nothing. Making Foley and Jarret both his mades is sure hell a mistake and being a heel with these two and a face with hogan at the same time means he (or hogan) knows nothing about wrestling.

I LIKED THE ATTACK BUT HOGAN WILL RUIN IT. You know why, because fortune deserves to be a "great " stable. However they will end up getting battered by EV2. Fortune need to win feuds to continue and be belivable arrogants (as evolution were).

 

[Chadmw]

3 /4 facelock- You do realize most of the things you mentioned were happening before Hogan-Bischoff came in

The X-division unfortunately has been going downhill for about 2-3 years (basically since they elevated Joe, Daniels and Styles to main event status)

As for the Tag belts, did you just not watch the amazing best of 5 series for it between the MCMG and BM. As for the band holding the titles, they held them for what less than 1 month, so yeah that hurt them a lot

The belt was changed from legends to Global before Eric and Hogan came in, and I actually like it being the TV title now.

Unfortunately you are right that Youngs character has been flip flopping mostly due to the trouble with the band members, but is character was also flip floppy before that as well.

As for the weak build up to feuds and storylines being dropped, besides the Samoa Joe kidnapper storyline, what other one's have been dropped. And for weak storylines, have they really been worse than anything done before (Abyss going to a mental institution, the Governer, dr. Stevie, Shark boy as Shark "stone cold" boy) all terrible storylines done before Eric bischoff.

 

[repo_fan]

Getting rid of the 6 sides. Putting up the old man ramp. Real American Abyss. RVD the instant champ.

Agreed.


Whomever idea was it to take away one thing that made TNA different then many other companies was a complete and utter dumb ass. Hell, when I first started watching TNA when it first started out, I actually liked seeing them in a SIX sided ring, because frankly, seeing that over used four sided ring is tiring.


I honestly hated Abyss when he turned into a Hogan follower, I mean I love Hogan and all, but the "Monster" Abyss is more likeable as a MONSTER, don't do that again, thanks.


And as far as RVD goes, yeah, he's a vet, yeah he's a ECW original, but come on, he was there for less then what? Two months? Three at the most, and he's crowned the champ over everyone else that well, deserved it? Thanks a lot whoever thought that up too. Asshole.

 

[TommLew10]

People can say what they want to say about Bischoff and a lot of people I realize don't like him. The man must be given credit though for all that he has done by giving us some exciting times through his work. While he isn't really a wrestling guy that's what helped make him successful in a way. He realized that with good wrestlers the in ring performance would come, but he also realizes that wrestling is like a weekly soap opera and you have to make it entertaining enough week in and week out to make people want to continue to watch. As much as a lot of pure wrestling fans love the in ring work, wrestling wouldn't be nearly as exciting if we were just watching these guys work in the ring week after week without all the feuds and factions and what not and that's exactly what Bischoff helped create. The best thing about Bischoff is the fact that he doesn't put out some of the worst things you'll ever see, he's pretty consistent, with a few highs coming from time to time. Bischoff puts value in things outside of the ring, for example when the NWO attacked WCW in the middle of the Luger/Sting vs Flair/????? match on Nitro, that was brilliant the way that he set it up to take place with Jimmy Hart running in for help and Bobby Hennan asking if Eric could guarantee his safety then after Eric said he couldn't Hennan walks out in fear. That was just another way of getting the NWO over as the most feared faction at the time. He did just that with Abyss the other night by cutting to the scene and allowing everyone to witness RVD covered in a blood bath and the same could be said for Fortune's attack on RV2.0. There is no doubt that Eric knows what he's doing when it comes to work outside the ring he just sometimes puts too much confidence in some of his more liked wrestlers like he did with Hogan and Nash in WCW, hopefully he doesn't make the same mistakes this time around. I think he's smart enough not to, but we will see.
I also feel that Russo must be given some credit as well although he has had some of the worst ideas ever in wrestling, he has also had some pretty good ones as well. I definitely don't have to name the worst(WCW) or the best(WWF tude era, TNA) we pretty much know about his ideas.