What difference does rating REALLY make?

In today's general wrestling product there is ratings debacle. PG or not? Some promotions, such as WWE have gone the more family friendly route and chosen PG while others, such as TNA have stuck to the TV-14 rating. Now I ask, which do you prefer? What makes PG so bad? What makes TV-14 so good?

I personally don't prefer either, while I'm a loyal WWE viewer I'll watch both products. PG doesn't take away from the product, which is contrary to popular belief. PG allows for more "pure wrestling". You don't need blood, profanity, and nudity to make the product better. Although, on the flip side of the coin, having the luxury of using those things can also make the product a little better. Even though to me it makes no difference.

So, what are your thoughts?
 
The rating isn't the problem. It's the product, the talent, the booking, the writing, and everything else. PG doesn't mean crap; the problem is the way the company handles pretty much everything.
 
I couldn't disagree more. To say that talent is the problem is ABSURD. Look at how many injuries top guys in the WWE have gone through, how many retirements, just this year alone and they're still putting out an excellent product. They're pushing new stars and that is great. To say writing is bad is foolish as well. This year we were introduced to Nexus, one of the biggest shockers ever. An excellent angle, very well written. Hell, the return of Daniel Bryan was huge, extremely well written as well. You may very well be too critical of the product.
 
Excuse me, I must have been rushing when I posted this. I don't have a problem with the talent as much as I have a problem with A) the talent they tend to push B) the talent they refuse to push and C) the way they go about pushing/not pushing talent. I agree with you on that part.

As far as saying they're putting on an excellent product, under what terms? Under Sports Entertainment terms? No, early 2000's was easily much more entertaining. The comedy is awful, we rarely see good gimmicks, and the storylines are boring. Nexus started off good but it's gotten dull. Nexus had a big bang when they first debuted, they set the wrestling world on fire. Do they look like a firestorm now? No, a spark maybe. They're just another bunch of faces. And apart from Wade, they're pretty much a bunch of nameless faces with a big N slapped on their t-shirts.

Pushing new stars? Yeah, because they have to. How many talents have WWE refused to push in the past? How many "superstars" could WWE have made out of past talents but dropped the ball on them? Several. So just because WWE FINALLY decides to push talent and get people over they deserve credit? No, they don't. They're idiots for waiting this long and they're suffering because of the decision to do so. And I'm glad it's biting them in the ass, it's bad business.

The writing sucks, the storylines suck, and 99% of the time; the wrestling sucks. I don't find any entertainment from this supposed entertainment company. Could they pull it off? Yeah, they could. But WWE in my mind is one of the reasons wrestling is looked at in such a negative way. It's a carnival sideshow/soap opera. It's poorly written (albeit nowhere near as bad as TNA) and the wrestlers' acting seems way too stiff and scripted.

The return of Daniel Bryan well written? Uhhh, I guess. They made him come back in a big match against Nexus. Not much to it other than that. Was it surprising? Yes. It was the most recent time I marked out during WWE. Was it well written? It wasn't bad, don't get me wrong; but there's not much actually written there.

I'll admit, I'm a wrestling fan. I'm not so much a Sports Entertainment fan as I am a fan of the art of professional wrestling. I like to skip silly stories and cheesy characters that use a wrestling ring as the background prop. That being said; I can ENJOY Sports Entertainment. I enjoyed early 2000's wrestling, I enjoyed parts of the Attitude Era even though the technical wrestling during most of it was non-existent. I enjoyed HUSTLE, CHIKARA, DDT, etc. Do I find anything entertaining about WWE right now? No, I'm sorry. That's just my opinion. I think people are only enjoying what's being handed to them because they really don't know of any alternative. It's a piss poor product right now. Is it better than a few years ago in some cases? Yeah, but overall the quality is still pretty awful.
 
I am by no means insinuating that today's product is perfect, far from it actually. I am satisfied with it though. We get good, quality sports entertainment, you seem to be very high on the idea that sports entertainment isn't wrestling. Well, in some ways it's not, but it is actually better in my eyes. Sports entertainment is a mix of it all, wrestling and the soap opera of it as well. You seem to be embroiled in watching pure in-ring action, I don't think that that is necessarily a bad thing, but you need to realize... Times have changed, and so has the product. You may not like it now, but who knows what you may think of the next evolution. You see what I'm getting at here?
 
The only ones that have a problem with the PG rating are internet smarks and/or fans that believes that wrestling should cater to their every whim. The only noticable difference between the PG rating & TV-14 when it comes to the WWE is the lack of blood shown on television and the lack of curse words like ass & bitch. That's it. That's the only true difference and there are some that believe that it's the end of the world because somebody doesn't say ass on a television program.

To read some of the rants against PG, you'd think that TV-14 is a rating in which the female wrestlers are shown without a stitch of clothing on, wrestlers bleed like stucked pigs every other match and every other word in a promo is a curse word and it's not. It's not even remotely close to that and it never has been and almost certainly never will be.

Imagine if Raw aired tonight and the little PG box didn't pop up on the screen of the television during the opening of the show. I guarantee you that someone would start a thread wondering if the WWE was going to abandon the PG rating just because of that. I guarantee it. Perception counts for so much in wrestling that if the little PG box wasn't shown on television and if PG was never even brought up on WWE programming, there probably wouldn't be half as many complaints made by the IWC against the PG ratiing.
 
Sports entertainment is a mix of it all, wrestling and the soap opera of it as well. You seem to be embroiled in watching pure in-ring action, I don't think that that is necessarily a bad thing, but you need to realize... Times have changed, and so has the product. You may not like it now, but who knows what you may think of the next evolution. You see what I'm getting at here?

Sports Entertainment is a mix of all. And it can be really good when pulled off right. But right now, in my opinion, it's not being pulled off right. What I'm getting is bad storylines, a lot of bad matches and booking, with the occasional good match that usually involves the name Daniel Bryan somewhere along in it. It's just not an interesting product right now to me.

As far as times changing, they have. In WWE at least. You have to understand that I can still get my daily dose of AMAZING blends of mostly action mixed with realistic and well thought out booking/storylines. If you don't know what New Japan is or don't follow it right now; I highly suggest you do. It is the strongest product I've ever seen.
 
Well ultimately the rating does not matter a lot. It is the storylines which sell shows in wrestling and a good storyline is a good storyline regardless of the TV rating. A TV-14 rating does give the writer a few more tools to spice up his storyline but a good writer can write a relatable story in either environment. Also the cursing and the blood has to be used judiciously rather than senselessly as that will not draw in viewers.

Ratings never affect a storyline but bad writing certainly does and no amount of blood or cursing can cover up bad writing.
 
Of course the rating matters. It is like ratings in films. The rating of the product indicates the subject matter contained within, and whom it is marketed for.

You wouldnt see a group of men going watching a U rated kids film containing teddy bears, nor would you market a film containing murder and rape to children.

Same with wrestling. The PG rating indicates that the content is more acceptable for a younger audience, which is what the WWE wants right now. The biggest star in the company, John Cena, is very family friendly and the storylines have generally been less adult and more suited to the younger audience. This has been difficult to swallow for the older fans, who have grown up with the Attitude era and its sex/swearing/blood and more adult themed storylines. At the time of the AE, they were the target audience, and the product was aimed towards them, while now they are not the audience members the WWE are trying to attract.

The PG does not neccesarily mean that the product is of a lower standard, as within the restrictions placed on talent now, the superstars can still put on great matches and great storylines, but it can limit it in some ways, as their are topics which cannot be covered in storylines and things which cannot be said in promos, which in my opinion lessen the realism of the product, as it is only natural to use offensive language when in a heated argument with someone. Sometimes, some of the promos in WWE make me cringe as the insults thrown about are just childish. This indicates to me that it is a problem with the writers and not the rating, as a good writer should be able to adapt to the circumstances they are placed in and use their creativity to get around certain restrictions that are in place. At the present time, and for the last few years, the WWE has lacked the quality in its writing, which I believe has led to a poorer product, which does not appeal to me as much.

Also, the big thing that people disagree on is the blood. Personally I preferred the more bloody, attitude era product as it was more realistic and "manly" even if you understand what I mean. It didnt look as fake, and I just found it more exciting and it kept me on the edge of my seat. Some of the Triple H v Mick Foley wars were unbelivably exciting to me at the time, and still are today. While I agree that perhaps the AE overdid certain aspects, such as too much blood and was perhaps too sleazy at times, I do not think wrestling is something that should not soley have children as its target audience, and should not be PG. Great WRESTLING matches are great to see, but would you rather see Daniel Bryan putting on a great match WWE style, or see him in his ROH days putting on 30 minute bloody epics...for me it is the latter. The blood and violence, when done right, can add so much to the story of a match, and by taking this away, WWE have limited themselves.

Wrestling moves can injure people if done incorrectly, and we all know how kids like to copy what they see on TV. I remember as a young boy being a big fan of Power Rangers, and karate kicking everything. However, several people in my school were severely injured playing Power Rangers, and as WWE is marketed to more kids than ever, the potential for them to copy the moves is greater than ever. In my opinion, this is dangerous and is why the WWE should have continued to focus its product on a more mature audience, and the kids can watch it when they are a bit older and can appreciate that you dont copy what you see on the TV.

All in all, the rating of the show can make a huge difference, both to the content it has to contain and to the type/age of person watching the show. For me, the end of the PG era cannot come quickly enough. I want to get back to more edgy, violent programming. But thats just my preffered option, I still enjoy the occasional excellent match thrown out by the WWE in the current PG era
 
The rating doesn't matter to me at all. Then again, I was never one to watch a television show just because it had a certain content rating. What matters in any television show, especially pro wrestling, is a product's quality. If the product is good without boobies, swearing, and blood, then so be it. No one should complain. That's not to say that WWE and TNA are perfect - they aren't. But their ratings have nothing to do with the quality of the product. Quality storylines, talent, and good characters tend to make a wrestling show enjoyable. Good matches never hurt either.

Personally, I feel that a lot (not all mind you) of wrestling fans that constantly complain about WWE's PG rating are never going to be satisfied anyway. Hell, even if today's product were exactly like the Attitude era with the same wrestlers and storylines and Jesus Christ was booking the shows, these same people would complain that Grandmaster Sexay wasn't being pushed enough.

If you don't like the product, that's perfectly cool - I stopped watching WWE in 2003 because I didn't care for how it was being booked. But to hate on or love a wrestlng product just for having a certain rating is silly.
 
The only ones that have a problem with the PG rating are internet smarks and/or fans that believes that wrestling should cater to their every whim. The only noticable difference between the PG rating & TV-14 when it comes to the WWE is the lack of blood shown on television and the lack of curse words like ass & bitch. That's it. That's the only true difference and there are some that believe that it's the end of the world because somebody doesn't say ass on a television program.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here, It's not just smarks, and people who feel they should have wrestling catered to there each and every need. If it was just these people we wouldn't see the consistent drops in the ratings and we also wouldn't see buyrates continue to shrink at the rate that they are. The PG rating isn't just turning away internet smarks, the PG rating is actually turning away their "target audience"

When have kids ever been interested in "kids" programming, as a kid I was always interested in what the older kids where watching, and what the adults where watching. I can tell you that I didn't tune into wrestling for the men in tights and puro moves. I tuned in for the things that are being restricted, and the things that aren't even around anymore. Unless the WWE has been targeting kindergarten and preschool kids, because that's what there programming is aimed at.

You bring up blood and language, both of which take away from the overall show, the language more than the blood imo; but that's not all, they've dialed down the sexuality to a bare minimum. There used to be nothing more sexed up that Pro Wrestling - The Sexuality is what made the WWE the "Male Soap Opera" that it was for so many years, no longer can that comparison be made. Movesets have been limited, restrictedwith certain moves being banned. Violence has been toned back, blood is NEVER seen anymore, and if it is it's "taken care of", sexuality has been taken out of wrestling almost all together; and all of these things in turn limit what the writers can do. The writers are basically told to go out there and create a show made of gold using only shit - it's an impossible task, and an even more impossible task on a week by week basis.

So it's not just words like ass and bitch, and it's not just the blood. It's a combination of multiple things, and they all trickle down to create the sub par programming that people seem to have just accepted; but clearly not everyone is accepting this, hence the consistent drop in ratings as well as the drop in PPV buyrates. They've been pushing their former target audience away for years now, the same target audience that's kept wrestling afloat for the last 20 years, and they wonder why this is happening. It couldn't be more obvious to me.
 

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