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we're getting what we wanted...more or less

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Often on this particular wrestling forum posters either have a complaint or a suggestion and always an opinion, unfortunately most of the time its a complaint followed by a suggestion, many fail to see what's right in front of them. Its often suggested wwe should have someone specifically looking around the IWC to see what we want to see happen with their product, well I believe its happening. I guess summerslam more or less made up my mind and I think a lot of what the IWC has asked for in the last few months to year has come to fruition. Some examples that I have seen suggested or asked for in the past that are now in place are:

A john morrison push

An mvp push (to an extent)

A decent program for the big show

A long title reign for orton

HHH to stop chasing the title

Credibility to cm punk

More focus on mid card titles and prestige brought back

Tag team to be more prominent (its getting there)

Less interbrand-ness

Credibility to legacy

Older guys putting over young guys to build future

There are more that have escaped me just now but I firmly believe a lot of what the IWC have been aching for is being given to us, some missing like the cena heel turn (understandable) and the benjamin push (which I personally don't agree with).

Have I missed anything that we're getting which we previously asked for?? Do u agree we can at least be content that perhaps our voices are being heard??
 
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A john morrison push

He wasnt even on the card at Summerslam and he's been bypassed entirely for the main event of the next one.

An mvp push (to an extent)

Since when does being teamed with Marc Henry equate to a push?

A decent program for the big show

It's ok but it's not like they've got a lot of competition.

A long title reign for orton

Fair enough but I wouldn't say it's been a great reign or that it would have lasted had Batista not been injured.

HHH to stop chasing the title

Yay, he's been out of the title picture for a month.

Credibility to cm punk

Agreed but if Hardy wasn't leaving and Edge wasn't injured, do you think he'd have the belt at all?

More focus on mid card titles and prestige brought back

It's a stretch to say they've been given prestige back but at least 1 of the belts was defended at Summerslam.

Tag team to be more prominent (its getting there)

Nowhere near

Less interbrand-ness

Yep, I never liked the brandedness in the first place though

Credibility to legacy

Yep, strange isn't it. HHH kicks their arse all year, Michaels comes back and suddenly they're not useless.

Older guys putting over young guys to build future

When has this happened?

Most of the changes the WWE have made have been forced on them. Vince would rather hand the WWE in it's entirety over to Paul Heyman before he'd listen to the IWC.
 
I thot big show and jericho did a good job of making cryme tyme look like a credible threat for their title, as did rey with ziggler, legacy looked like they could beat dx, if taker and punk are starting a fued I don't think taker will just squash him, even to a lesser extent kozlov and jackson will move up in my estimation by siding with regal, that's all examples of older guys making newer guys into credible stars.

Yeh its been a month since hhh chased the title but is he back chasing it again? Nope, give that one a chance.

Morrison has 3 wins over the now heavyweight champ in recent months, they're hardly gonna throw him straight in he's not ready just yet, nvrmind being bypassed or wotever, his future looks strong.

Nvr sed I liked the brandness but now it seems to be working, 2 seperate shows both with different feels to them.

The ic title match, arguably the best match of the night, two guys desperate to leave as champ, what exactly or how exactly do you think prestige is achieved? Yeah the us title wasn't defended but you have several guys on raw who have openly stated they want the title, that's more than a few months ago when it was just a prop.

Who cares if punk got his shot because edge got injured and hardy is leaving, stars are often created by seizing opportunities when others can't, that's a flawed theory to say he might not have got a shot at it, where would austin be if he never won the kotr meant for hhh? I'd say he'd still have been a star.

Ortons title reign is boring I agree, batista is boring, cena is boring, my point was people complained about short meaningless title reigns, now you have a tolerable long one.

Mvp was involved in atournament only consisting of four men to deterimine the no.1 contender for the wwe title, last night the king and cole talked about how both mvp and swagger know that a win over the other would be a huge stepping stone to challenging for the title, so now he's in a tag match with henry big deal, tag title shot, ppv match with jericho and big show, all that in my opinion equates to a push, more of a push at least to say 6 months ago, hence the 'to an extent' in brackets I put originally.
 
AND i think the WWE is slightly pulling away from the pg rating. It seems the WWE is trying to get back to the attitude era a little bit, 2 words for ya "S@#$* It"
 
Personally I think that Swagger should be getting the push over MVP. MVP is boring and not entertaining in the least.
 
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A john morrison push

He wasnt even on the card at Summerslam and he's been bypassed entirely for the main event of the next one.

He's had 2 victories over CM Punk, had what was possibly tv match of the year with Jeff Hardy, who made him look like gold. And he saved Jeff Hardy's ass 2 weeks ago.
He is getting pushed.

Although, now people will be complaining about how he's getting pushed too fast or how he's not ready.

An mvp push (to an extent)

Since when does being teamed with Marc Henry equate to a push?

Well, Mark Henry has become one of the hottest midcarders on Raw. He's currently in a feud with Chris freakin Jericho rather than his going-nowhere feud with Swagger. And he's the number one contender for the tag titles, which have only recently become desirable again.

Just because he doesn't have a world title shot doesn't mean he's not getting pushed, big guy.

Of course, people are now complaining how he's shit as a face and shit in the ring.

A decent program for the big show

It's ok but it's not like they've got a lot of competition.

He's helping bring meaning back into the tag titles. And the WWE are making competition. The problems can't be fixed in a week, but WWE are working on them, have some damn patience.

A long title reign for orton

Fair enough but I wouldn't say it's been a great reign or that it would have lasted had Batista not been injured.

It's been a pretty good reign. He's gone over Triple H and Cena. And how do you know that Orton wouldn't have won the title back from Batista? Oh right, you don't.

HHH to stop chasing the title

Yay, he's been out of the title picture for a month.

Well guess what!! It's Cena vs Orton in an I quit match at Breaking Point. So he's not chasing the title for another month. Must be like Christmas for you.

But really, how can you complain that something hasn't being going on long enough when it's just started? I knew wrestling fans' attention span has gotten shorted, but this is just ridiculous...

Credibility to cm punk

Agreed but if Hardy wasn't leaving and Edge wasn't injured, do you think he'd have the belt at all?

Oh right, cause Edge was in the middle of a big world title push when he got injured... Oh wait, no he wasn't.
And it makes sense that Punk would've ended up with the title eventually. Undertaker was going to return, and he was always going to be in the title picture. Unless Hardy or Undertaker turned heel, a Punk vs Undertaker rivalry for the title was gonna end up happening.

More focus on mid card titles and prestige brought back

It's a stretch to say they've been given prestige back but at least 1 of the belts was defended at Summerslam.

It's hardly a stretch. Both Rey Mysterio and Kofi Kingston are the most credible mid card title holders in literally years. Kofi Kingston even successfully defended his title in a six pack challenge. I don't think that's ever been done before.


Tag team to be more prominent (its getting there)

Nowhere near

What do you think would make the title more prestigious?
Cause I'm thinking having 2 big stars hold the titles and fighting a multitude of challengers would do that.

Less interbrand-ness

Yep, I never liked the brandedness in the first place though

Why did you put though in that sentence? So you don't seem like you're agreeing too much? The WWE is doing something you want, get over it.

Credibility to legacy

Yep, strange isn't it. HHH kicks their arse all year, Michaels comes back and suddenly they're not useless.

A think a pinfall victory over Triple H and being able to match DX move for move for a good 15 minutes has given them pretty good credibility. Yeah, Michaels has come back and made them look good. That crazy HBK, wanting to help young stars!

Older guys putting over young guys to build future

When has this happened?

Well this year we've had....
Triple H getting pinned by Cody Rhodes, DX letting Legacy dominate for a large portion of the match to the point some people were actually thinking Legacy could pull off the upset, Punk going over Hardy and Edge clean, Kofi being put over by every more experienced wrestler in the Raw midcard, Swagger going over Matt Hardy, Rey Mysterio making Dolph Ziggler look awesome, Yoshi going over Regal, the push Morrison is getting... Should I keep going?

Most of the changes the WWE have made have been forced on them. Vince would rather hand the WWE in it's entirety over to Paul Heyman before he'd listen to the IWC.

Yeah, he would.
As egotistical as Vince may be, he does see some of the problems the WWE is having. And the amount of progress the WWE has made in the last 8 months has been astounding. Young guys being pushed, better matches all round, the ECW talent initiative. WWE has had some of it's best ever PPV's this year, they're just overshadowed by how bad Wrestlemania was.
WWE have fixed many of the problems that made me stop watching back in 2004. And they're working on fixing more problems.
But the IWC will never ever be happy. And if they are happy, they'll never admit it. They'll make excuses about why the problems are being fixed, saying it's coincidence. Just like my friend Loveless has shown.
 
So based on the events that have unfolded over the past three or so weeks, you think this is a sign the WWE is listening to the IWC?

Wow....absurdity at its best.

I do agree they are turning things around and trying to do things I've been hoping for -- pushing younger guys, trying to get re-energize the tag division, etc -- but I certainly don't think it's a sign they're listening to the IWC. Not at all.
 
Honestly I like where you are going with the thread, WWE is trying to bring up it's weak areas.

Just to look at a few points....

Orton, best character I have seen in a long time. If he was a little more of a bad ass his character would be almost perfect. I love the calculating rattlesnake...I said it. If WWE weren't so frightened of him being cheered, imagine the guy we would have.

Tag Team Division...nothing special, but it's moving in the right direction. I wanna see a few tag teams that might actually be together a year from now. Hart Trilogy will be there sooner than later. Regal's little buddies may have a shot in the future. I could live with Regal as ECW champ and his pets as Tag Champs, ECW would be a better show for sure.

Rey, doing a good job. I am just wondering how long he wants to hold the titles. He only has it because he told WWE he wanted a longer reign. Ziggler looked great at summerslam, I honestly believed that he had a really good shot at winning. Pretty good match, pretty good feud. If Matt isn't gonna go for the main event, he may have to settle chasing Rey too.

Kofi...this is were it gets a little gray. Yeah, it's great he won a 6 pack challenge, but he hasn't done anything since. I think they are bringing up Miz to go after it, but even then, will the title really matter? Think it through, when was the last time Raw put a spotlight on the title? Swagger is getting pushed, just give him the damn title, maybe that will help. Swagger was on Summerslam...Kofi wasn't...see my point? Give swagger the belt, then we can actually see the title defended at PPVs.

RAW...my biggest issue. You watched Raw last night...the past few weeks...right? I'm really starting to getting genuinely annoyed with what Raw has turned into. Last night consisted of Promo, Divas, Promo, Tag Titles (I don't mind, but this was about it), Promo, Chavo/Midget (you could have had a real match), Promo, Promo, 6 Man Tag with corny finish. Makes me truly angry to watch this kind of stuff week in and week out. I know WWE is generic, but dammit not the entire show. The only semblance of decent programming came from Legacy (who I'm starting to enjoy more every week) and the Tag title bout (which ended terribly, if you want Henry/MVP to look credible, then cheating to knock out Jericho of all people, may not be the way to go). Cut Down on divas and the midget crap and the 5 minute promos every 5 minutes and we might have a decent show. Promos are great, but pick your spots and try to make them matter. I know last night was Vince's birthday and all, but I want wrestling entertainment not a fucking circus....

Morrison, possibly my favorite wrestler right now. He is getting his push, but with the Undertaker back, we might not see the full fruition of his push until Royal Rumble, or even Wrestlemania (maybe it's wrestlefest at this point, who knows). I would no be disappointed if Morrison won the Rumble and ended Taker's streak, or beat Punk. Or won the money in the bank and cashed it in that night. All I'm saying is, he will get there and he will be great...I just think we have to wait for the right time. He needs more PPV time before hand, if they throw him in with nothing...then I don't know what to expect. He needs a feud now, i'm thinking Kane. Keep his feud running until at least Hell in a Cell and we have Morrison looking a lot stronger, going over Kane in a cell.

Punk might have a shot at looking credible, but I just don't care for him. I don't really see anything special in him at all at this point. He will probably retain at the next PPV and face Taker again in a cell, only seems fitting. If they put him over Undertaker in a cell then that is the biggest push a guy can get....but that would truly be a disappointment for me. Oh well...we will see.

that's good for now...nice post, that was fun.
 
The tag team division is getting there and I can't complain with putting the gold around Jericho and Big Show. Hell Big Show is even getting a nice push out of it, so that's 2 birds with one stone right there. Giving a young team like Cryme Tyme is even better because young guys are getting exposure so that's 3 things done in one feud!

MVP teaming with Henry may not be much but he's getting into the light on Raw now so he's taken care of and Legacy actually is looking more legit now with HHH and HBK. HHH has even been garuanteed out of the title spot for another month. So it looks like WWE is knocking several things out with each and every feud it seems.

Yes Orton can be boring but it's a longer title reign and yes Cena vs Orton has been done before, but it's worth watching somewhat this time around. With Hardy gone and Taker back, Punk has been built up well enough to face the Phenom and continue his build up.

The mid card seen has been rebuilt and is getting attention and John Morrison is being polished and treated properly for his soon to come title reign. He'll get it soon enough guys and gals. He's been built up in one the best ways I've seen in a while and a hell of a favorite for the Royal Rumble.

So in many ways we're def getting what we wanted and I'm looking forward to the future in the WWE.
 
Creative doesn't give a crap about the IWC and why should they, they have no concept of history. Truth is wrestling goes in cycles and moving from the 'attitude era' to 'PG/Family' is a normal part of the program. In the 80s, the WWF was 'PG/Family' and even had cartoons on saturday morning 'Hulk Hogan Rock and Wrestling' which catered to kids. The kids begged their parents to buy the merchandise and goto shows creating a new generation of fans who as they grew older (teenagers like yourself then) launched the 'attitude era'. Its simply a normal part of the business. But WOW the IWC is really full of themselves aren't they?

Answer me 1 question: Who holds an UNDEAFEATED streak over Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. And its not Taker....
 
Vince McMahon and WWE Creative doesn't pay much attention to the IWC in general and there's are very good reasons for this. I'm delighted to see the WWE is addressing some problems that've been dogging it and I'md very delighted to see that they've made real progress in correcting those problems over the course of this year. They've hit a few bumps in the road, but they're still going. These problems are being addressed because Vince McMahon knows they need to be addressed, not because of anything the IWC has to say.

As has been pointed out, a LOT of people in the IWC have an exceptionally short attention span and are just generally unfocused. WWE has some problems, they think those problems can be fixed within a week or two. They feel that if the WWE is pushing somebody, they need to be in consistent world title matches less than a month into their push. If a match isn't some epic match of the year contender, they shit all over it. If a guy has a title for about a month before losing it, then he loses all credibility and so does the belt. But, then if a guy keeps it for 3 or 4 months, then they start screaming that he's had the strap for too long and that it's stale and so on and so forth. Too many in the IWC are dreamers that have no concept of the fact that running a successful professional wrestling company on the level of the WWE means that you have to do what's best for the company rather than catering to a small minority of fans whose world revolves around one dream match setting after another.

If Vince McMahon listened to the IWC, then the WWE would be this rambling, incoherant hodgepodge of gibberish that 95% of wrestling fans would stop watching within a very short period of time.
 

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