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We know its fake....but come on.

LuckyLouie

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So we all know how wrestling works. And I guess in recent years WWE is scared of negative publicity, and ruins its magic to ME.
When We The People started, they even made a video explaining it was all a show. Triple H keeps saying its a business, no more wrestlers only "starts".
I get why they are doing, no negative press, and if any is explained.
Im sure im not the only one who watches some angles cringe on how childish they seem.
I dont want them to change anything, just less information about the background/inner workings DURING the show.
Make me believe in that crazy shiz again Vince!
 
Benoit killed that magic along with his family. That's the reality.

The more they tell people it's a show the less risk they have of being regulated, interfered with by government. After all no-one has to drug test Stallone before each Expendables outing for roids or criticizes him for doing it past 60. No one threatens regulation of TV shows other than the FCC rules which WWE is well within.

The reason Vince first declared his show was fake was money and regulation, he didn't want to have to pay the Athletic Boards any more or have to heed their rules.

So this trend will continue. At times, they have to do it because some people are just dumb. This is not new, it happened with Orson Welles War Of The Worlds broadcast back in the 30's and some will think that a Lawler Heart Attack or Coulter rant are real... hell wrestling is notorious in its past for fans attacking heels with weapons... so they say it's a show now when Coulter goes on a rant as much to stop Dutch being attacked when he goes to the grocery store by the minorites he rants against.
 
Generally speaking, if you want someone to blame for why WWE has had to all but come right out and acknowledge that pro wrestling is fake, then blame society. As THTRobtaylor pointed out, there are several reasons as to why WWE has to operate in a much more open manner than in the past. The FCC cracked down pretty hard on WWE during the Attitude Era and the company regularly had to pay fines for content violations. WWE has to consider the response of advertisers to the USA Network and to NBC Universal when they do something on television.

Society has also gone overboard with political correctness to such a degree that WWE sometimes finds itself the victim of a genuinely unfair double standard. Remember the sense of outrage generated by Jack Swagger & Zeb Coulter early this year when they first began their anti-immigration bit? People were genuinely insulted by the characters so much that the characters made national news and drew ire from well known politicians and political commentators. If a character EXACTLY like Zeb Coulter appeared on a television show like Sons of Anarchy, nobody would say boo about it. Pro wrestling is and always has been, for the most part, as scripted as any traditional television program. It has men & women portraying fictional characters engaged in fictional rivalries in which the outcomes are planned and staged. Yet, WWE caught all kinds of hell for it. Remember the sense of outrage generated by some fans because CM Punk & Paul Heyman "mocked" Jerry Lawler's heart attack? Even though Lawler himself stated that he personally approved of the angle weeks before it went down, some people were reacting as if WWE had "mocked" THEM or someone close to them who'd had a heart attack. Then, of course, remember when CM Punk poured "Paul Bearer's" ashes out of the urn over a prone & beaten Undertaker? WWE talked to Bearer's two grown sons about this angle and asked their consent, which they gave. A lot of the same fans and dirtsheet writers who've complained that wrestling isn't "unpredictable" enough or no longer pushes the envelope blasted WWE over these angles as being exploitative. What these fans & writers forget is that controversy, genuine controversy, is something that's SUPPOSED to make you feel a little uncomfortable. It's SUPPOSED to generate discussion amongst people. In reality, all these people seem to want is some lame tripe that kinda sorta resembles controversy like having the women run around half naked or wrestlers using four letter curse words every time they open their mouths to cut a promo.

As was also mentioned, the Benoit tragedy has also led to WWE having to operate in a much more open manner. Remember all the negative press WWE got for basically turning a blind eye to the substance abuse problems going on? The criticism they got for not really knowing about the physical & mental health of their wrestlers to the degree that they needed to? Congress launched an investigation into WWE and, at one point, was seriously considering stepping in to regulate the company. As a result, politicians who don't know jack about pro wrestling would have ultimately had the final say as to what took place, what we saw on television, what we didn't and how it came about. Aside from realizing that it FINALLY needed to be more responsible for the welfare of the wrestlers, WWE initiated the Wellness Policy so that Congress wouldn't essentially bend Vince McMahon over in front of the world and make him its bitch.

When it comes to pro wrestling, WWE has transcended being just a wrestling company. That's what it always will be in the eyes of fans and at its core, but it's genuinely a global brand. One advantage, or disadvantage depending on how you look at it, that companies like TNA, ROH and the indies have is that they're not as well known as WWE. In the United States, most people instinctively think of "WWE" or "WWF" whenever they hear the term "pro wrestling" and it's something of a double edged sword. Yes, that's ultimately what Vince McMahon wanted to happen. After all, WWE's revenue in 2012 was right at $660 million. But there's been a trade off for that level of success and notoriety. As I said, other companies aren't as well known or as large and that can be good or bad, depending on how you look at it. These companies are able to operate without necessarily being overseen in the way WWE is. As a result, in some ways, they're still able to operate in the same manner as wrestling companies always have. On the other hand, the wrestlers don't make nearly the sort of money that they would in WWE. As a result, it's not at all unheard of for wrestlers to suffer severe injuries that threaten their careers or even their lives and not being able to afford the medical care they need. Look at what's happened to Jesse Sorensen and Zema Ion as prime examples. These other companies also, to my knowledge, have no drug policy going on. A perfect example of that is Jeff Hardy back in 2010 and early 2011, who was coming out there wrestling, in the middle of a main event push no less, while stoned out of his head.

So yeah, WWE has to operate in a more open manner and has to accept having to endure ridiculous double standards of content as a result of being so large and successful. If TNA manages to survive and ever gets to the level of WWE, they'll have to operate the same way; as will ROH and any other company that wants to be raking in hundreds of millions of dollars a year. But if you're unwilling to suspend disbelief while watching WWE or any other pro wrestling company, then that's on you rather than them. It's been common knowledge that pro wrestling is "fake" for decades, loooooooooong before Vince McMahon took control of WWF, loooooooooooooong before Ted Turner got into "the wrasslin' business" and looooooooooooong before the arrival of the internet.
 
blame the wwe universe anytime someone gets a new gimmick or a change name smart fans has to call them their old names.
like tensai = a train.
wyatt family = husky harris
and even los matadores = primo and epico.
wwe universe is what makes wwe look stupid as for childish wrestling in wwe is pg, if you dont like childish i suggest you quit watching and watch impact wrestling or roh. cause wwe ain't gonna stop till they have too.
 
It's very interesting how you had Zeb and now the Wyatts who are pushing boundaries being slated in the mainstream, just as characters they are also being pushed in popular culture. Look at Breaking Bad and more recently GTA V... Suddenly Trevor Phillips is a household name, a character who is outwardly racist, violent and in the game incites the player to commit atrocities yet isn't getting half the bad press that WWE characters do.

WWE is there as the dog to beat by the mainstream media as to them it's an easy target. So Vince has worked out to not give them ammo.
 
In all honesty, the gimmicks are all too over the top. In reality, nobody acts the way they do on TV. I know its the nature of the business, but does it always have to be?
 
wrestling has always been best when kayfabe gets broken, or seems to get broken to some degree. what are the best/most memorable programs and moments ever?
the nwo, the austin/vince rivalry, the macho man/hogan love/hate thing....
all had roots in reality- or at least the perception of what was really going on behind the curtain
and even the montreal screwjob, punk's 'pipebomb', et al.
we all know its fake, but little things that make me wonder jsut a little. thats all im ever waiting for when i watch now.
and speaking of which- it kinda bothers me that the internet refers to the current era as the "reality era". things seem waaaay more contrived and character-y to me now than in the nwo & attitude era
 
when it comes to what the OP stated....like the 3rd poster said, blame real life on it. look at all the kids who have tried this at home (hence the dont try this at home line) and think about all the negative attention WWE gets when some type of fight happens and a defense of insanity from tv is used. that negative attention is the reason for that.
blame the wwe universe anytime someone gets a new gimmick or a change name smart fans has to call them their old names.
like tensai = a train.
wyatt family = husky harris
and even los matadores = primo and epico.
as far as that statement is concerned, i agree and disagree. agree on Bray Wyatt and even Los Matadores. on Tensai, that was on WWE. for Bray Wyatt, his new gimmick looks the COMPLETE opposite of what Husky Harris looked like. Husky Harris was just a 3rd generation star who could run, Bray is an insane cult leader who reminds you of a mix of Manson and Duck Dynasty. As for the Matadores, if i didnt know who they were, i wouldnt know it was Primo and Epico due to the mask, in other words, the masks help their gimmick work. that was my issue with Tensai, when he debuted, i hoped that mask would stay on, but it came off and all i was reminded of was Albert because his character didnt look any different. in my book Bray's gimmick is working, time will tell on the Matadores, but for it to work, they need to get airtime.
 
It's very interesting how you had Zeb and now the Wyatts who are pushing boundaries being slated in the mainstream, just as characters they are also being pushed in popular culture. Look at Breaking Bad and more recently GTA V... Suddenly Trevor Phillips is a household name, a character who is outwardly racist, violent and in the game incites the player to commit atrocities yet isn't getting half the bad press that WWE characters do.

WWE is there as the dog to beat by the mainstream media as to them it's an easy target. So Vince has worked out to not give them ammo.

To be fair though in terms of what society finds acceptable like this, one of hte most beloved tv characters of all times is also one of the most bigoted, loathsome, ignorant racist assholes ever portrayed . . . . Cliff Huxtable.

No sorry, bad joke. I mean Archie Bunker. Here is a guy that was a racist, homophobic, religiously intolerant, mysogenistic bastards and audiences loved and continue to love him. he hated any one who was not a white christian man. He had low opinions on women, children and animals. hated immigrants of all races and cultures and colors and yet somehow people loved to watch him. They loved him through 2 different shows, first All in the Family, and then the continued story in Archie Bunker's place.

So this kind of stuff has been going on as long as tv has so not all the fault lies with tv. It's endemic of the culture and personalities that continue to watch and enjoy
 
sorry for duplicate post, but system posted through before could finish my thought. edited out some to show finished part of original.

It's very interesting how you had Zeb and now the Wyatts who are pushing boundaries being slated in the mainstream, just as characters they are also being pushed in popular culture. Look at Breaking Bad and more recently GTA V... Suddenly Trevor Phillips is a household name, a character who is outwardly racist, violent and in the game incites the player to commit atrocities yet isn't getting half the bad press that WWE characters do.

WWE is there as the dog to beat by the mainstream media as to them it's an easy target. So Vince has worked out to not give them ammo.


So this kind of stuff has been going on as long as tv has so not all the fault lies with tv. It's endemic of the culture and personalities that continue to watch and enjoy these terrible people and actions. TV is a reflection of culture and that is part of why I fear for society as a whole when shows like jersey shore, american idol, big brother, and survivor are lauded as fan favorites and ratings giants. And don't get me started on those horrific shows like dance mommy, or honey booboo.
 

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