Was A Classic Moment Made on IMPACT?

[PsychoBlack]

The parking lot brawl between Jarret and Angle was great. Their was so much emotion and drama into it that I dont think could have been told in a regular match because it looked like they were LEGIT fighting. I don't think I have ever seen anything like this for as long as I have been watching wrestling. So, Wrestlezone brethren was it classic yay or nay?

 

[The Dragon Saga]

It was okay. I wouldn't glorify it or anything. I said in the LD once it began last night that it reminded me of "Bum Wars." And the fact that the stipulation was that if Kurt won, Jeff would go to Mexico, well although that does intertwine with Jarrett's upcoming dates in AAA and it would lead to some pretty entertaining vignettes, not like it's that great.

Was it entertaining? Okay, a bit. Did it have a realistic edge to it? Yeah, it looked like they were kicking the shit into each other. Was it a classic moment? No. Not by any means.

 

[shattered dreams]

Classic moment? That might be a little over the top but it is certainly something people will remember. Visually it was extremely impressive. Movie quality production on a prowrestling tv show? Now I have seen it all. "Everything has been done" has long been the conventional wisdom surrounding prowrestling. However, it seems these ReAction style segments have on more than one occasion produced something unique.

 

[hewittor]

Of course it was a classic moment. It was unusual and also you had the guys outside cheering and booing along. You know with any Impact Wrestling Discussion, you're gonna have guys dog it because dogging Impact is the cool thing to do.

I loved every moment of it. I will never forget it. Anyone who watched it last night will never forget it.

Anyone who disagrees with that is clueless when it comes to Rasslin' (wrestling)...or is too young to know any difference and are brain washed by Sports Entertainment (WWE).

 

[baufan2025]

It was good, but it wasn't near as good as a killer like Ron killings threatening to pour water on a kids head.

 

[hewittor]

It was good, but it wasn't near as good as a killer like Ron killings threatening to pour water on a kids head.

See what I mean...you have these WWE lovers that hate on Impact, just to be hatin.

 

[RJB1976]

I have a very simple way to judge a segment on a wrestling show. If I drop what I am doing to watch it, then it is good. Take the Nexus attack on John Cena, and pretty much everyone around him when they debuted a while back. It just drew you in.

Now, the parking lot brawl between Angle and Jarrett was just that well done. And props to the announcers being quite and Bubba Dudley for his part. His vocal cheers of Jarrett were well timed, and just brought a more real vibe to everything. You pile that on with Sting's attack on Hogan, and you had a rather perfect close to a rather amazing hour of programing.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Unique does not mean good or entertaining. It was a Snuff film. Go watch They Live with Roddy Piper.

If this is what they are going to rely on for ratings it is unsustainable.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

It was good, but it wasn't near as good as a killer like Ron killings threatening to pour water on a kids head.

See what I mean...you have these WWE lovers that hate on Impact, just to be hatin.

Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic.


Look...Im tired of anything TNA does, fans come out and say "that was awesome" or "that was the best moment" or my favorite "that was better than anything WWE does"

The fact is, TNA is NOT on the level yet of WWE. WCW was, but look how long it took them to get there. Im all for competition...but this is justt sad. Comparing TNA and WWE is like comparing apples and oranges...it can't be done.

Until TNA gets better storylines and gets someone who didn't run a previous company into the ground, they will be nothing.

A GREAT moment from last night was Sting with Hogan. The things he said, as scripted as it was, were REAL! "Think about your legacy Terry."

 

[JackBurton]

The parking lot brawl between Jarret and Angle was great. Their was so much emotion and drama into it that I dont think could have been told in a regular match because it looked like they were LEGIT fighting. I don't think I have ever seen anything like this for as long as I have been watching wrestling. So, Wrestlezone brethren was it classic yay or nay?

And you know what my friend. That is what all the hard work is for. All the blood, the sweat and time spent for that one thing.

Believibility.

People will crap on it because to them every match or brawl has to have 600 high spots, no one selling and no one trying to actually win.

Thats what makes a good worker didnt you know?

Making people suspend their disbelief long enough to enjoy the show and be sucked in emotionally isnt good enough anymore.

Watch, friend, as I am rounded on by some who mock the idea that working has NOTHING to do with the moves; Its what you do BETWEEN the moves that is work.

Angle is single most believable wrestler in the last 10 years bar none (minus all the goofy shit WWE forced him to do during the early naughties.)

 

[JackBurton]

Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic.


Look...Im tired of anything TNA does, fans come out and say "that was awesome" or "that was the best moment" or my favorite "that was better than anything WWE does"

The fact is, TNA is NOT on the level yet of WWE. WCW was, but look how long it took them to get there. Im all for competition...but this is justt sad. Comparing TNA and WWE is like comparing apples and oranges...it can't be done.

Until TNA gets better storylines and gets someone who didn't run a previous company into the ground, they will be nothing.

A GREAT moment from last night was Sting with Hogan. The things he said, as scripted as it was, were REAL! "Think about your legacy Terry."

Another "WCW all Bischoffs fault" guy. Great.

Missed out the part where he increased their yearly turn over by 600%. Missed out the part where he didnt sabotage a recovering product with improving ratings.

No, Time Warner sold Vince something that was salvagable.

Ill check how many posts you've made expressing similar disdain for him and what he did to the entire industry with his handling of WCW AND its talent; a lot of whom weren't able to get work after Vince BURIED them on national TV.

I doubt I need to bother; people like you are only interested in the side of the story that suits them.

Ive stated this before and I will state it again:

As bad as TNA is--its a bad wrestling show.

WWE? I dont even know what its meant to be? Cartoon? Saturday night live?

The biggest tragedy is in terms of talent, both companies have loads of potential on their books.

And they're wasted.

 

[jccool420]

I was really expecting this thread to be about Sting... But, anyway...

It was a very well done segment and will probably lead to some good segments with double J in Mexico... Maybe even film a TNA event in Mexico... Or if that is not in the cards, they should atleast have Jeff piss Angle off enough to where Angle goes to Mexico and they could film there match in Mexico, AAA cross promotion type deal or something...

Anyway... the segment it self was not too much different from some of the old school parking lot brawls except for the way it was filmed... Which kind of takes some getting used to to see wrestling filmed in a cinamatic style like that so i will give it a thumbs up...

Classic?

It would be classic if it really meant something or it was the end of their long fued... Like an old school loser leaves town match... This match doesn't have quite that same feel because it was emotional and very physical... But... We all know that Jeff will be back and it is just another link to their story... So, it really isn't important enough to make it "Classic" in my opinion... Still and very cool segment though...

And I love how it was filmed outside with the "boys" and it was ruined on the Spoilers... I read a few dirt sheets and none of their spoilers, that I know of knew about this match... I may be mistaken... But I didn't know about the match beforehand...

 

[JackBurton]

I was really expecting this thread to be about Sting... But, anyway...

It was a very well done segment and will probably lead to some good segments with double J in Mexico... Maybe even film a TNA event in Mexico... Or if that is not in the cards, they should atleast have Jeff piss Angle off enough to where Angle goes to Mexico and they could film there match in Mexico, AAA cross promotion type deal or something...

Anyway... the segment it self was not too much different from some of the old school parking lot brawls except for the way it was filmed... Which kind of takes some getting used to to see wrestling filmed in a cinamatic style like that so i will give it a thumbs up...

Classic?

It would be classic if it really meant something or it was the end of their long fued... Like an old school loser leaves town match... This match doesn't have quite that same feel because it was emotional and very physical... But... We all know that Jeff will be back and it is just another link to their story... So, it really isn't important enough to make it "Classic" in my opinion... Still and very cool segment though...

And I love how it was filmed outside with the "boys" and it was ruined on the Spoilers... I read a few dirt sheets and none of their spoilers, that I know of knew about this match... I may be mistaken... But I didn't know about the match beforehand...

Can we make a little bet here buddy?

I totally agree with what you said about Jeff and how its a continuation of the angle.

Heres the bet though:

Ill bet you they do Rhodes/Sullivan from Florida back in the day.

Look it up and tell me if you agree or if you have another way they might do it.

 

[Hardcore Heathen]

Now i Aint seen it (In UK) But is it be more Amazing than the mass Brawl at the iMPACT! Zone When Beer Money and The Brits and Everyone else got "Arrested"?

 

[jccool420]

Not sure about the Rhodes / Sullivan feud ... but knowing TNA and their obsession with geting wrestlees kids and/or wife's in storylines... I'm sure Jeff will use Karen or Kurt's own kids to lure him into either facing him in mexico, which is the option I think would be cooler from a storyline stand point, or somehow get back into TNA and get another match with Kurt...

Either way, I expect JJ to entertain us... the blow off will probably be at BFG....

 

[VinnieSunshine]

Another "WCW all Bischoffs fault" guy. Great.

Missed out the part where he increased their yearly turn over by 600%. Missed out the part where he didnt sabotage a recovering product with improving ratings.

No, Time Warner sold Vince something that was salvagable.

Ill check how many posts you've made expressing similar disdain for him and what he did to the entire industry with his handling of WCW AND its talent; a lot of whom weren't able to get work after Vince BURIED them on national TV.

I doubt I need to bother; people like you are only interested in the side of the story that suits them.

Ive stated this before and I will state it again:

As bad as TNA is--its a bad wrestling show.

WWE? I dont even know what its meant to be? Cartoon? Saturday night live?

The biggest tragedy is in terms of talent, both companies have loads of potential on their books.

And they're wasted.

I NEVER said anything about it being Bischoff's fault. Look...in the end WCW was NOT salvageable by any means. They had crappy stories, were using talents that didn't need the spotlight (NBA stars, talk show hosts, actors) instead of using guys that could've profited off of it. Also, TNA is being written by someone who is arguably the worst in ALL of wrestling. He sucked in WWE and he sucked in WCW.

Almost the same thing is going on in TNA. Who are the top guys in the company right now? Old guys that should be limiting their time and putting younger talent over. Hogan AND Angle said it...TNA has a lot of young talent that they could wok with. Yet week after week I see the same guys rehashing storylines from the old days.

Name the top guys of the company that are in the main spotlight. Angle, Jarrett, Anderson, Sting, Bubba, Hogan, Flair...all guys that could be putting YOUNGER talent over. THE SAME THING NASH WANTED TO DO.

TNA needs to realize, what worked back in the day doesn't work so well today...ECW, NWO, MATT HARDY VS EDGE (yes Jarrett vs Angle is an expansion of that) etc. Thats why WWE made a NEW version of ECW, one where talents that weren't well known could be made.

Yes, back in the day (and still today) guys on BOTH rosters are not being used or are misused. It all has to do with money. Vince knows who can make the money and who cant, and it fails when he is afraid to take chances.

My favorite quote is from Paul Heyman..."You cannot achieve success without the risk of failure...you cannot achieve success if you fear failure. If you're not afraid to fail, man you have a chance to succeed. But you're never gonna get there unless you risk it, all the way." This is something Vince will never understand.

Back on track with TNA...if they want to compete they need fresh ideas, fresh writers, and be run by someone who actually knows how to run things and not treat it like a business.

 

[JackBurton]

I NEVER said anything about it being Bischoff's fault. Look...in the end WCW was NOT salvageable by any means. They had crappy stories, were using talents that didn't need the spotlight (NBA stars, talk show hosts, actors) instead of using guys that could've profited off of it. Also, TNA is being written by someone who is arguably the worst in ALL of wrestling. He sucked in WWE and he sucked in WCW.

Almost the same thing is going on in TNA. Who are the top guys in the company right now? Old guys that should be limiting their time and putting younger talent over. Hogan AND Angle said it...TNA has a lot of young talent that they could wok with. Yet week after week I see the same guys rehashing storylines from the old days.

Name the top guys of the company that are in the main spotlight. Angle, Jarrett, Anderson, Sting, Bubba, Hogan, Flair...all guys that could be putting YOUNGER talent over. THE SAME THING NASH WANTED TO DO.

TNA needs to realize, what worked back in the day doesn't work so well today...ECW, NWO, MATT HARDY VS EDGE (yes Jarrett vs Angle is an expansion of that) etc. Thats why WWE made a NEW version of ECW, one where talents that weren't well known could be made.

Yes, back in the day (and still today) guys on BOTH rosters are not being used or are misused. It all has to do with money. Vince knows who can make the money and who cant, and it fails when he is afraid to take chances.

My favorite quote is from Paul Heyman..."You cannot achieve success without the risk of failure...you cannot achieve success if you fear failure. If you're not afraid to fail, man you have a chance to succeed. But you're never gonna get there unless you risk it, all the way." This is something Vince will never understand.

Back on track with TNA...if they want to compete they need fresh ideas, fresh writers, and be run by someone who actually knows how to run things and not treat it like a business.

When it was finally bought by Vince it was beyond reprieve. Simply for the fact that whoever bought the company wouldnt have a TV deal to go along with it.

When Bischoff tried to buy it the numbers had increased. The company was on the road to recovery. The numbers are online; check them for yourself.

The reason it didnt last is all the confirmed interfering from Time Warner; who, its alleged intentionally sabotaged the product so they could fold the company up and wash their hands of Pro wrestling.

No one man or group is fully responsible for WCW. Bischoff pushed it to a point where as salvagable as it may have been the people brought in to stabilize the ship had other ideas, clearly. Some are more culpable than others.

As for Hogan or Bischoffs influence on TNA's product?

Wasnt the Main Event Mafia on top for over a year before Hogan or Bischoff came on board?

The issue with the use of talent doesnt fall at the feet of those 2.

This is something TNA has struggled with in its entire time in existance.

tbf I think its more balanced now than it ever was in TNA.

And just because the young talent isnt winning every single week doesnt mean they arent getting over and it certainly doesnt mean they arent getting pushed.

They're on TV ffs. How much more of an opportunity do they want?

Theres no cue where "oh its your turn for a push".

It works like this "youve got 3 minutes kid; get yourself over".

Always has always will.

Quoted Roddy Piper btw.

 

[MB1025]

Name the top guys of the company that are in the main spotlight. Angle, Jarrett, Anderson, Sting, Bubba, Hogan, Flair...all guys that could be putting YOUNGER talent over. THE SAME THING NASH WANTED TO DO.

1. Kurt Angle - has feuded Jeff Hardy, Mr. Anderson, and Jeff Jarrett over the last year if I am not mistaken. Even though he isn't losing to young guys week in and week out he isn't hurting the young talent by going over them either.

2. Jeff Jarrett - has done two things. He was either trying to get his job back or he was feuding with Kurt Angle. Again not hurting the young guys.

3. Mr. Anderson - This one is BS. The man is in his early 30's. He has a lot to offer this company and IMO is very entertaining. He shouldn't even be on the list.

4. Sting - The man barely wrestles and when he did it was RVD, Jeff Hardy, Mr. Anderson, and that 6 man tag at BFG. He had always put the younger talent over in the past.

5. Bully Ray - The best heel in TNA. Money on the mic, he lost a lot of weight, and is much better in the ring than in years past. You and anyone else can complain about beating AJ Stlyles, but AJ Styles doesn't need to win. He is like Chris Jericho. He can take a pin fall for anyone and it wouldn't matter. Other than that his only other feud was Devon and Fortune which his team lost.

6. Hulk Hogan - The man has wrestled twice. Before he turned heel he always put the talent over on the mic. Saying TNA had the best wrestlers in the world and even used specific names like AJ Styles and such.

7. Ric Flair - This has to be a joke. He lost to Jay Lethal with the figure four. He then elevated Fortune to the moon. Then he taken a beating from every young guy put in the ring with him. Ric Flair has done business right.

 

[shitsngiggles]

The only thing I didn't like was the way they cut that last segment.

Matt Morgan? talking about bubba, then cut to bubba talking about what matt literally just said, then all of a sudden bubba is out in the parking lot.

Didn't give the lead in any credit at all. If they would have had the matt segment earlier, then after 5-10 minutes had bubba. Then went back to a quick taz/whatever the other dude is called segment talking about the street fight, then it cut to the streetfight. It would have made it more believable and given it more realism.

The made a big boob with that last bit of editing.

Shame, because if they done it right that fight would have looked so much more realistic!

 

[jsher2]

Classic Moment? no

I thought the brawl was absolutely aweful, how many "final matches" do these two have to have? this feud should have ended last month, it's over stayed it's welcome.

you wanna see what a Parking Lot brawl match should be like? watch John Cena vs JBL, that's worth the watch. but this was a disappointment ...

-waits for the "you're a wwe fan blah blah blah" replies-

 

[16mikeytot]

Classic moment no. Not at all it basically reminded me of the parking brawl that John Cena had with Eddie Guerrero years back, that was much better than Jarretts and Angles brawl although it did give me a few laughs.

 

[ralphie9181]

Nope, if it was a classic moment the wrestling world would be abuzz about it. All I see is a few fans on a message board talking a bit about it.

 

[RJB1976]

Classic Moment? no

I thought the brawl was absolutely aweful, how many "final matches" do these two have to have? this feud should have ended last month, it's over stayed it's welcome.

you wanna see what a Parking Lot brawl match should be like? watch John Cena vs JBL, that's worth the watch. but this was a disappointment ...

-waits for the "you're a wwe fan blah blah blah" replies-

Are you fucking kidding me? Cena/JBL was awful, perhaps one of the worst all time. I've been better parking lot brawls on indy shows. Outside of the match in the UK w/ Shawn Michaels, John Cena has never really had a "Classic" match.

That being said, Back in the day before there was a glut of ppvs, it wasn't uncommon for a fued to last years (Zybysko/Sammartino anyone). I know that today's fan has a short attention span (part of the reason that the business is doing awful right now). Over staying its welcome? I'm sure that it is doing something to make money, or else it would be over by now.

 

[darthrapture]

I actually haven't seen it yet, but judging by the comments on here I want to see it for myself now. Cena/JBL was a good fight but I wouldn't call that classic, nor the Eddie/Cena fight. Then again, I will proudly admit I am a Cena hater and it takes a lot for me to be entertained by John Cena.

I had been one of the flock of TNA haters for a long time, until about a month ago when Christian dropped his title to Randy Orton and I swore of Smackdown. I decided then I'd give TNA a try. I've been watching it ever sense and I cannot understand why so many people complain about it, other then they are just plain haters.

Brian Kendrick Vs. Kazarian a few weeks ago, was awesome. The Bully Ray Vs. AJ Styles LMS match was really good and I though despite the outcome put Styles way over. Sting/Anderson had been very entertaining for the weeks leading up and I totally dug the old school Sting look Anderson was playing. And I have to wonder how people can claim younger guys aren't being put over when Gunner picks up a pinfall over Sting and the over Mr. Anderson both of which who were the World Champions at the time?

Now I'm not saying I'm a diehard TNA fan now, but I make a point to watch it when I can, and after watching the 3 hour episode of RAW which left me bored after the first hour and left me hoping for it to end by the second hour TNA has become a welcome alternative. TNA makes it easier to suspend the belief for just a little bit, where as WWE makes it nearly impossible. The only surprise I got on RAW was Cena actually getting pinned by CM Punk. Otherwise everything else was exactly as I expected it, Kelly Kelly getting a pinfall victory, Miz losing because of A-Ry and Sin Cara picking up the win for his team. If you really want to talk about stale storylines couldn't the TNA haters be pointing a finger at WWE?

Now maybe it's only because I'm still new to the TNA product for the first time in over a year, and maybe it's because I'm fed up with seeing the same matches EVERY week on WWE television, but I'm finding TNA to be worth my time and WWE losing the battle over my viewership. If anything I see WWE going down the road WCW went, too many primadonnas concerned about how they are perceived (Randy Orton being one of the biggest, complaining about his match placement at WM, complaining because he didn't think he should be on TV with a concussion this week on RAW when all he had to do was open his mouth and let the fans love him, or Sin Cara getting the preferential treatment because he's Triple H's pet project - all of these things I've read about here on Wrestlezone.com).

Anyway, those are just my thoughts, and back on topic, I will have to find this fight so I can see for myself. Feel free to pick apart my statements as you feel necessary and tell me how wrong I am, when in all technicality I can't be, because these are my opinions.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I actually haven't seen it yet, but judging by the comments on here I want to see it for myself now. Cena/JBL was a good fight but I wouldn't call that classic, nor the Eddie/Cena fight. Then again, I will proudly admit I am a Cena hater and it takes a lot for me to be entertained by John Cena.

I had been one of the flock of TNA haters for a long time, until about a month ago when Christian dropped his title to Randy Orton and I swore of Smackdown. I decided then I'd give TNA a try. I've been watching it ever sense and I cannot understand why so many people complain about it, other then they are just plain haters.

Brian Kendrick Vs. Kazarian a few weeks ago, was awesome. The Bully Ray Vs. AJ Styles LMS match was really good and I though despite the outcome put Styles way over. Sting/Anderson had been very entertaining for the weeks leading up and I totally dug the old school Sting look Anderson was playing. And I have to wonder how people can claim younger guys aren't being put over when Gunner picks up a pinfall over Sting and the over Mr. Anderson both of which who were the World Champions at the time?

Now I'm not saying I'm a diehard TNA fan now, but I make a point to watch it when I can, and after watching the 3 hour episode of RAW which left me bored after the first hour and left me hoping for it to end by the second hour TNA has become a welcome alternative. TNA makes it easier to suspend the belief for just a little bit, where as WWE makes it nearly impossible. The only surprise I got on RAW was Cena actually getting pinned by CM Punk. Otherwise everything else was exactly as I expected it, Kelly Kelly getting a pinfall victory, Miz losing because of A-Ry and Sin Cara picking up the win for his team. If you really want to talk about stale storylines couldn't the TNA haters be pointing a finger at WWE?

Now maybe it's only because I'm still new to the TNA product for the first time in over a year, and maybe it's because I'm fed up with seeing the same matches EVERY week on WWE television, but I'm finding TNA to be worth my time and WWE losing the battle over my viewership. If anything I see WWE going down the road WCW went, too many primadonnas concerned about how they are perceived (Randy Orton being one of the biggest, complaining about his match placement at WM, complaining because he didn't think he should be on TV with a concussion this week on RAW when all he had to do was open his mouth and let the fans love him, or Sin Cara getting the preferential treatment because he's Triple H's pet project - all of these things I've read about here on Wrestlezone.com).

Anyway, those are just my thoughts, and back on topic, I will have to find this fight so I can see for myself. Feel free to pick apart my statements as you feel necessary and tell me how wrong I am, when in all technicality I can't be, because these are my opinions.

Welcome to the dark side brother, expect heavy, aggressive treatment of the "mark" variety. Admitting you're liking what TNA's doing on a WrestleZone forum is like waltzing into a church and praising Satan because "he's just that badass". Glad you gave TNA a shot after blindly hating it. I was in the same situation a couple of years ago. Don't be surprised in you drop WWE altogether. Sooner or later more and more people will realize that WWE is the sinking ship, not TNA. Have your numbers, I'd take a good wrestling product over that dreck any day of the week. How did that 3 hour show work out for ya, by the way? Didn't draw shit. Numbers actually went down. Bravo. I should stop before JJYanks hops in and calls me Mr.Zevon again and offers me to get me drunk and laid. Rapists ...

Anyjews, the segment was not a classic moment, not by a long shot, but it certainly kicked all kinds of ass. First of all, it looked like a real fight. There were no spots, no one was run over by a monster truck by accident, it was just fun to watch. Secondly, it wasn't your usual parking lot brawl. The cars lined up in a circle and the roster cheering for Angle or Double J, depending on their alignment, was pretty damn good. But of course, the tireless IWC, or the 10-ers, found something to shit on, going as far as to moan about the freaking camera angle. Are you f-... ugh.

Classic? Nah. Dope? Yep.