Vince McMahon's New Project

[Jack-Hammer]

According to PWInsider.com, Vince McMahon has found himself a new pet project in the 6'8" 375 pound bruiser of the Wyatt Family, Braun Strowman. There's been a backlash that's come about this week after rumors were going about involving a possible match between Strowman and the Undertaker, though the match hasn't been confirmed or denied.

The report further states that, via multiple sources, Strowman is actually much better than what we've seen on WWE television and can do quite a lot more. Furthermore, it's being alleged that what Strowman is really capable of is being saved until a bigger stage, most likely WrestleMania. Allegedly, Vince has taken a big interest in Strowman and wants to see him built into a top guy to such an extent that Vince has taken it upon himself to basically decide EVERYTHING that Strowman does or says from his moves inside the ring to how he stumbles around and sells; these are said to be "edicts" from Vince himself. There's also talk, allegedly, of doing a feud with Strowman and Lesnar for SummerSlam, depending upon how well Strowman performs over the next little while.

Now IF all this is true, then it may well be possible that Strowman is already being set up for failure with Vince being so heavily involved. When Vince took it upon himself to essentially book everything Roman Reigns did the first few months of last year, it was met with near universal criticism and panning. Strowman being capable of more than we've seen is a possibility, though my instincts tell me he's not remotely good enough to stave off the criticism that's coming if this big push does go down. A lot of modern fans, especially the smarkier type, are almost prejudiced against big, powerfully built, powerhouse bruisers like Strowman; there's always some sort of backlash from internet fans in particular whenever some guy with a lot of muscles and/or a certain type of physical look gets a big push, though it's sometimes justified and sometimes it isn't. I'm not hating on Strowman by any means; if he's genuinely far better than what we've seen from him in his limited role as Wyatt's bruiser, then I've got no problem with him being pushed.

If there is some sort of potential backlash, if Strowman truly does get a match with Taker and moves onto a major push, a lot of the criticism will be about Vince being a big of a size queen. Now while big guys haven't always gotten the mega pushes, I think it's fair to say that the mind set of many modern fans is that the age of giants is over; more and more fans prefer wrestlers who can work at a faster pace, are generally more athletic, have intriguing personalities, are quite technically sound or some combo of any or all of the above. And, more and more, most of the wrestlers who come down the pike that fit those qualities are either guys who're on the smaller side and/or don't have super sculpted physiques.

Again, if all this turns out to be true, I find myself more concerned for the probable Lesnar vs. Wyatt match at WrestleMania. I mean, if they ultimately do go the route of a feud between Strowman and Lesnar, I see no way they have Lesnar job to Wyatt. It was a pretty big longshot to begin with, but this would make the notion of Wyatt coming out with a win virtually nonexistent.

 

[Skinsley]

Muscle and fitness interviews I have seen him in show that he is an intelligent man, he can talk about things he is passionate about anyway. I think he has a good look and a good size. I don't have a problem with Vince taking him under his wing.

I don't really foresee a great in ring performance from him in the near future, but if he can become atleast passable in the ring, I think the future could be really bright for him. My only hope is that he does not overshaddow Bray Wyatt, as I believe he is the real deal and should be the future big bad heel along with Kevin Owens.... But a big bad monster Heel like Strowman could be wonderful.

 

[TStorm]

This is one of those subjects were the ability of the wrestler in question is hard to factor in because we've only seen a limited amount from him (or that what is being said here at the moment).

That being said, on the surface, the guy reminds me a lot of Mark Henry due to his strongman background and his jump from that into wrestling. Henry turned out to be a rather late-bloomer in his career, with the earlier part of his career being hit or miss. I cannot speak on his overall ability as a whole, but I'm not against it at the moment, I'll have to see to full judge.

These "projects" though, I honestly dislike the word and the approach being taken with them. You can create something, but in order for it to work with the crowd, it has to be something organic. Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena, all of these people were created by Vince or the said people behind the gimmick, and the crowd got behind them, wanted to see more of them, and most important, when they played the role of the ultimate good guy/anti-authority, people wanted to see them come out on top and loved seeing them come out on top.

This is where Roman Reigns is struggling, he's not very organic, and if he was given the chance, I'm sure he could get an organic response behind him, people want who they want because they accept wrestlers as "their guy" this was a position Punk found himself in, this was a position found himself in, and currently, that is a position that Ambrose finds himself in. He was booked fine before, he had an organic response, then the moment that the 'corporation' got fully behind him and started booking him the way they did, he lost a lot of that momentum. He's built as an 'anti-authority' but people watching can see that he's apart of the authority, not against the authority he is supposed to fight again.

Now, I don't want this to become about Roman Reigns, so I'll stop there, it's with that being said, if their looking to push Strowman, I do fear for Bray, because yet again, it doesn't look good for him, and his stock is once more going to take a hard hit.

 

[OYDK]

All this tells me, if true, is that Bray is basically going to be sacrificed for Braun in the coming months, and that, above all else, would really piss me off. If WWE decides to start souring on Bray for Braun, I may have to take a little break from WWE. I'm sure Strowman CAN do more than what we've been seeing in the ring, but at the same time, I doubt that he's going to be as surprising as this report makes it seem. Let the guy develop a bit before throwing him into the fire, my god. It's like WWE never fucking learns.

I'm also not surprised that Vince chose Strowman. Leave it to Vince to hand-pick the biggest guy out there with the least amount of talent. Vince doesn't seem to understand that fans of this era don't give a shit about monsters anymore. We're not scared of them. The majority of people want to see somebody who can actually entertain them in the ring and on the mic, the time of 7 ft, 500-600 pounders showing up out of the blue and winning the World title, is long gone. I just don't get it.

This report depressed me more than I thought it would for some reason.

 

[Navi]

To say I'm surprised would be a lie, McMahon has always liked his "big" guys and Strowman certainly fits that criteria. I have a feeling though this is a bit like putting the cart before the horse. Strowman just debuted not long ago, and we haven't seem much of him, well unless he's hugging people to death, or standing behind Bray Wyatt throwing up gang signs.

Not hating on the guy either, but like the poster before said, if Strowman is being handpicked to go against Lesnar and Taker and wrestlers of their caliber then what does that say about Bray Wyatt and Co.

Strowman is very green, and until I see more of what he can do in the ring, I'll withhold judgement. It's very hard to tell what a person is capable of when they are part of a group and given limited ring time. But unlike others, the size of the person means nothing to me, if they are entertaining in the ring then they could be the size of Big Show or Hornswoggle, or anywhere in between.

 

[Azane]

Roman Reigns vs Braun Strowman in a BOOOO Contest, Make it happen, first one to start a fan riot wins.

So far, Strowmans been held back enough that I wouldn't spend a dime to watch him do anything, if this is the impression Vince wants, then he's getting it I guess, Wrestlemania isn't the place to have someone magically learn how to wrestle, especially not when Vince is trying to break an attendance record.

Unless the guy pulls off a Moonsault or 450 splash, I'm not going to really be wowed, I know the Dudleys set of matches showed me he doesn't know what to do when he's not the match focus, granted that's not an issue of wrestling moves, but more of an issue of putting someone green in a CharlieFoxtrot of a match.

They need to showcase him doing wrestling moves, and not just a squash match vs Kalisto style of wrestling moves, but he needs to have a back and forth with someone like Ambrose level before I can accept him even being in the same ring as the Undertaker.

 

[willross]

I find it fascinating that most people commenting on these forums and comment sections in regards to Braun Strowman are linking big flashy moves and working ability when they are two completely different things.

Someone can do only a handful of things and still be a high quality worker (Austin, Rock, Cena, etc.). Its really an ass backwards mentality to relate doing 50 moves to being a good worker. If he only does 5 things but they all mean something when he does them, then his matches will hold more quality than the guy who does 100 things that mean nothing, which is done by the majority of alot of the Internet Darlings.

I couldn't imagine what reaction Andre The Giant or even original Undertaker would have gotten from most of you people.

Strowman is a beast. An athletic monster. He has everything that makes him easy to market and get over in wrestling. How many chances he gets is the question? Will he get 100 like Shelton Benjamin did or 1 like Adam Rose did?

 

[Mustang Sally]

I mean, if they ultimately do go the route of a feud between Strowman and Lesnar, I see no way they have Lesnar job to Wyatt.

Agreed, but the Wyatt family contains a built-in 'interference factor' that can always turn the tide.....albeit temporarily..... in Bray's favor. I just got finished adding to a thread in the 'WM32' section of this forum that suggests a gauntlet match at the big event with Brock taking on all four members of the Wyatt family, one at a time. I suggested the idea of Braun Strowman being Brock's fourth and final opponent in the match, pinning Brock to win the match for the Wyatts in a manner that would enhance Brock's image rather than diminish it.

If this happens, it could set up a series between Brock Lesnar and Braun Strowman, with Vince McMahon's newest project (hopefully) giving a better account of himself than he has thus far.......and again, even if he can't, he'll achieve some measure of success by virtue of who Braun has at ringside in support.

We tend to think of Vince McMahon as behind the times.....and indeed, I think his 'dictator' approach has caused him to screw up storylines and performers that his daughter & son-in-law might handle better, but if there's one thing Vince knows, it's how to take a big, muscular guy and present him as a major factor.....at least for a while.

On the other hand, Giant Gonzalez was once a pet project of Vince, so........

 

[THTRobtaylor]

One way this makes sense is if they go with a Brothers Of Destruction v Braun handicap match... that way Kane can take the "loss" and Braun can come out ready for that major push - and maybe set up one last match for Kane v Taker.

At the end of the day, Vince is still running the show, he's let a lot of Trip's projects through recently, so it's probably "fair" in a way that now his gets some traction. You can't all have it your way and indy stars taking over, there has to be some old school "push" for the bigger guys too.

 

[Azane]

I find it fascinating that most people commenting on these forums and comment sections in regards to Braun Strowman are linking big flashy moves and working ability when they are two completely different things.

Someone can do only a handful of things and still be a high quality worker (Austin, Rock, Cena, etc.). Its really an ass backwards mentality to relate doing 50 moves to being a good worker. If he only does 5 things but they all mean something when he does them, then his matches will hold more quality than the guy who does 100 things that mean nothing, which is done by the majority of alot of the Internet Darlings.

I couldn't imagine what reaction Andre The Giant or even original Undertaker would have gotten from most of you people.

Strowman is a beast. An athletic monster. He has everything that makes him easy to market and get over in wrestling. How many chances he gets is the question? Will he get 100 like Shelton Benjamin did or 1 like Adam Rose did?

I call it being entertained. Sure workrate and flashy moves are part of it, but I don't care if you can do a 2 hour ironman match, if I'm not being entertained.

Andre the Giant was a fantastic worker for his size, he showed us plenty of moves in his early career, at least with what footage is available. He would get over fine, because Andre didn't stand around for 6 months with no realy direction when he debuted.

Original Undertaker, again, he moved like a man half his size and worked his gimmick to get over, he wasn't a stand around do nothing that gets handed legendary matches for being big, he got handed matches with Hulk Hogan, because hwas genuinely entertaining and made people pay money to see him.

In the long run, I just care if someone's entertaining, Braun hasn't bene built up or put in a position where I care for him at all, if he didnt have the Wyatts around during his segments, I'd probably turn off the TV when he popped on, he's pretty much Kozlov, Russian Russev, etc... he's only been in a couple squash matches or protected by a high competitor count tag matches, so all I know is he can look like the Big Show in his 40's, but Big Show was 10 times faster when he was The Giant.

And I'm not going to assume Braun is some master Ring Psychologist who is on HHH's level as far as "I can do 5 moves and make it feel epic", when was the last time Vince's pet Project got over? Brock Lesnar's Debut? but Brock had legit wrestling and Paul Heyman to put him over.

 

[Sexcellence of Sexecution]

Yeah go ahead and mark me down as not buying into this idea that Braun Strowman has secret abilities that we have so far yet to see.

The guy is El Gigante levels of bad, and if he wrestles the Undertaker it will be awful just like Wrestlemania 9. So I hope it happens. Because obviously I get off on seeing the Undertaker's legacy tarnished. That's why I loved when Khali pinned him with one foot.

Strowman's fine as a bodyguard but not much else. With all the talent they now have access to, big, small, and everything in between, there's no way the fans will support a Strowman push. Ever.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

Makes sense because they need another Mark Henry or Big Show or in translation a monster in appearance who serves to "feed" the faces like Cena or Reigns.

In terms of Strowman as a wrestler, no, he is just green as green apple to be someone of importance right now. Guy just came in WWE 6 months ago from performance center(he wasnt even on NXT some time to adapt and brush up his game, he just got straight to RAW) and isnt nearly ready for anything more then just standing in there and looking intimidating.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Typical reaction from the IWC. Not even giving a guy a chance, yet again.

The fact is, many of you WANT Strowman to fail. You NEED him to fail. Because him succeeding means that Vince isn't out of touch, can still make stars, and still can pull your strings.

You want Reigns to fail, you wanted Cena to fail, you want Strowman to fail because they are not internet darlings, they are not small guys who you want pushed far beyond where they deserve, they didn't wrestle in Japan or ROH or some other dustbin league. But mostly, you want Strowman to fail, because you love seeing Vince fail, don't you? This is schaudenfreude at its most obvious.

If Strowman does have more to him, if he cut promos like the Rock, and wrestled like Shawn Michaels, you would still boo him, because you can't admit that Vince McMahon knows what he is doing. You, a bunch of guys on the internet, know better than a billionaire what sells and what doesn't.

Just admit that you want Vince's "pet projects" to fail, and you refuse to get behind them because you don't want to. Be honest. Don't blame Vince or other wrestlers for your hating heart.

Strowman will fail because you refuse to even give him the chance to try to succeed.

 

[rmp0012002]

I like Strowman and don't care if he's a project Vince wants to do but he doesn't have the ring time. I don't believe they've been hiding his actual talent he's very green still. He may be big but you need to know how to work without getting yourself or your opponent hurt and I don't think in just a year he is ready. Too much to learn yet.

 

[QuadrupleH]

d_henderson1810 gets it 100%...everyone forms opinions before they know anything at all and bitch about the product before there is a legit reason to do so. Let the guy crash (if he is going to), then bitch about it.

 

[showtyme27]

You know I have thoroughly enjoyed the Sport of Kings since the wee bit age of three years old, at first I was an average black and white fan believing exactly what The WWF/WCW laid out before Me like a spoiled child on Christmas morning but like in real life all childish things must come to an end. I grew to realize that there is a huge grey area that I had been missing My untire childhood and from that moment on I decided that I didn't care what any company wanted to shove down My throat, that I would accept the sport I had grown to love flaws and all. Unlike most I have always had the utmost respect for just about every Man or Woman that stepped inside the squared circle, although I must admit that there have been some exceptions for those individuals who I believe are either very disloyal to the business and those who are IMO just plain flat out untalented. Brock Lesnar is a prime example of someone I have always liked and is very talented but is disloyal to Us wrestling fans and the business tbat made Him a household name and alot of money IMO. While another example would be former World Heavyweight Champion The "Not-So" Great Khali who had no other talent or general use beyond His size and unique look. He never even tried to improve in the ring or on the mic and should have only been established as a freak attraction and/or comic relief, but it's not like I can blame Him if The WWE offered Me a job I didn't deserve and/or earn I would take it too. My whole point is that while I feel Brock is not a true wrestling loyalist He did take the time to not only hone His craft but become great at it, while on the other hand I feel like Khali never even tried to improve but was rewarded because of being a unique attraction. While Guys like the aforementioned Shelton Benjamin, Montel Vontavious Porter, Ken Kennedy, Drew McIntyre, Derrick Bateman/EC3, Kaval and many many other very talented and potential Mega Stars for The WWE were held back or unceremoniously cut from the roster.

I know You guys are thinking where the hell is this going but I assure You that there was a method to My madness. The problem I have with Braun Strowman/Vince McMahon's new pet project is that pushing someone who clearly is as GREEN as Strowman is can only hurt the overall product. IMO The WWE has evolved past the point where They need someone as limited as Strowman to dominate, because of the success of NXT We now live in a time where WRESTLING talent matters, much like in 2001 thru 2004 when I couldn't wait to see the next episode of Smackdown! because it was a WRESTLING first show, as entertaining as I found RAW there was alays something special about the matches and roster on what many considered The B show that made Me a Smackdown! Guy through and through. So My question to all of You is How many Guys will be held back because of a less talented Strowman?

Let's take a look at the rise of a Man I consider to be in a very similar situation as the aforementioned Braun Strowman.... Mr. Roman Reigns. IMO more talented individuals like Wade Barrett, Antonio Cesaro, Alexander Rusev, Jack Swagger, Tyson Kidd, Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Sheamus, Adam Rose, Fandango, Cody Rhodes/Stardust, Damien Sandow, The Miz and Dolph Ziggler have all suffered huge setbacks because Roman was chosen to be "The Man" or Vince's pet project part one. IMO the only Guys that have broken out and managed to look good and/or establish Themselves in spite of His push being shoved down our throats are Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose and Kevin Owens. I failed to mention the effect on established Superstars because They have already earn and settled into Their spot on the roster for lack of a better term Their spot is secure and are therefore mostly unaffected.

In closing I want to say that I have no problem with Him if He going to work to improve like Big Show did in the past, like Ryback is in the process of doing but it takes time to develop the natural ability to perform in the ring at the highest levels.IMO I think He is about three or four years away from making the impact that The WWE wants Him to make and that He should have never debuted on the Main Roster, He should have been regulated to and should still be improving down in NXT where He would be able to hone His skills and become a very useful tool in the shed for The WWE unstead of becoming either a detriment to the overall product and/or yet another complete and total failure.

 

[Navi]

Typical reaction from the IWC. Not even giving a guy a chance, yet again.

The fact is, many of you WANT Strowman to fail. You NEED him to fail. Because him succeeding means that Vince isn't out of touch, can still make stars, and still can pull your strings.

You want Reigns to fail, you wanted Cena to fail, you want Strowman to fail because they are not internet darlings, they are not small guys who you want pushed far beyond where they deserve, they didn't wrestle in Japan or ROH or some other dustbin league. But mostly, you want Strowman to fail, because you love seeing Vince fail, don't you? This is schaudenfreude at its most obvious.

If Strowman does have more to him, if he cut promos like the Rock, and wrestled like Shawn Michaels, you would still boo him, because you can't admit that Vince McMahon knows what he is doing. You, a bunch of guys on the internet, know better than a billionaire what sells and what doesn't.

Just admit that you want Vince's "pet projects" to fail, and you refuse to get behind them because you don't want to. Be honest. Don't blame Vince or other wrestlers for your hating heart.

Strowman will fail because you refuse to even give him the chance to try to succeed.

What the hell! No one here has said they want to see him fail, as a matter of a fact the feeling I get from this thread is give the guy a chance. He only debuted a few months ago, and what really has he done yet, please tell us.

He is part of the Wyatt family, and stands around in the background a lot. He usually comes in at the end and puts a bear hug on someone. He`s had no singles feud yet to speak of, I haven`t seen him in a singles match period.

So the news comes out that McMahon is grooming him to take on Undertaker. That`s all well and fine, but Strowman is going to have to show us what he has before the fans get behind him. The guy might work out to be okay, but he has to show it first.

Oh and fans aren`t the bastards that you paint them to be, they want everyone to succeed and do well.

 

[Black Anaconda Vise]

I kinda like him. Don't get me wrong, he's hilariously bad, but if he's given enough time, he can develop and eventually become much better, and he was even put over well at the RR having eliminated Show, Kane, and Sami by himself and Mark Henry and Lesnar with the Wyatts.

They can't rush him and force him too quickly or he'll just be a huge failure. He's just not ready to face 'Taker or Lesnar on a big stage, a main concern being Strowman has only done short squashes, segments, or tag matches (plus the Rumble). He has a good look, and he's pretty strong too, having won a bunch of competitions and stuff, so I think with a bit more work in the ring he'll be able to do some pretty impressive big-man things in the ring. But right now, he's still very green and has quite a bit of work to do

 

[ShinChan]

I have said it in past and I am still adamant on believing that We havenot seen much of Braun Strowman to be capable of judging him. WWE is really keeping much the in-ring work of Braun for big matches. I have liked him as part of Wyatt family and would want to see his in-ring talent soon. But I am not really into Braun VS Taker or Braun VS Brock. I dont know about how he can handle these veterans at bigger stages. I can assume that Vince is high on him because he saw something impressive in him. Still I dont want the above mentioned matches because Braun is too much new to face these veterans. Rest is their responsibility to make Wrestlemania good to watch. I just want quality matches at Mania, be it from anyone.

​

 

[timothy26]

Typical reaction from the IWC. Not even giving a guy a chance, yet again.

The fact is, many of you WANT Strowman to fail. You NEED him to fail. Because him succeeding means that Vince isn't out of touch, can still make stars, and still can pull your strings.

You want Reigns to fail, you wanted Cena to fail, you want Strowman to fail because they are not internet darlings, they are not small guys who you want pushed far beyond where they deserve, they didn't wrestle in Japan or ROH or some other dustbin league. But mostly, you want Strowman to fail, because you love seeing Vince fail, don't you? This is schaudenfreude at its most obvious.

If Strowman does have more to him, if he cut promos like the Rock, and wrestled like Shawn Michaels, you would still boo him, because you can't admit that Vince McMahon knows what he is doing. You, a bunch of guys on the internet, know better than a billionaire what sells and what doesn't.

Just admit that you want Vince's "pet projects" to fail, and you refuse to get behind them because you don't want to. Be honest. Don't blame Vince or other wrestlers for your hating heart.

Strowman will fail because you refuse to even give him the chance to try to succeed.

Wow. Incredibly idiotic post.

No one who is a true wrestling fan wants to see any WWE performer fail. However that doesn't mean we would want to see Strowman, a guy who is evidently extremely green in the ring, face an all time legend like The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. It's a match that would be nice for a smaller PPV like Fastlane for example.

New Japan Pro Wrestling most certainly isn't a "dust bin league". It is one of the most revered and important wrestling companies in the world and one which many, many past and current WWE performers have worked for.

I don't think the IWC necessarily "worship" smaller guys. Cesaro is one example, a big guy physically with a classic pro wrestler look who is somewhat of a so called "internet darling"

The fact is every single time we see the Undertaker these days it could be his last match. The fact is it's Wrestlemania and as fans we want to see the best card possible and the best matches possible. Strowman could still go over in the battle royal or be in someone's corner for a match. He could have more singles matches in the coming year and establish himself.

 

[d_henderson1810]

What the hell! No one here has said they want to see him fail, as a matter of a fact the feeling I get from this thread is give the guy a chance. He only debuted a few months ago, and what really has he done yet, please tell us.

He is part of the Wyatt family, and stands around in the background a lot. He usually comes in at the end and puts a bear hug on someone. He`s had no singles feud yet to speak of, I haven`t seen him in a singles match period.

So the news comes out that McMahon is grooming him to take on Undertaker. That`s all well and fine, but Strowman is going to have to show us what he has before the fans get behind him. The guy might work out to be okay, but he has to show it first.

Oh and fans aren`t the bastards that you paint them to be, they want everyone to succeed and do well.

I agree that people shouldn't be pushed too soon. They need to establish themselves first, and after a year or two, then push them.

But many here who say it is too soon for Strowman have also said that they want Kevin Owens to main-event, despite coming up to the main roster less than six months ago.

Be consistent. Either new guy has to "pay their dues" before we accept them, or they don't. You can't cherry-pick who can get pushed early and who can't.

In the case of Kevin Owens, for example, I would have him win MITB this year, as it signals a push in the future, but not too soon. Maybe Strowman needs something like the briefcase, or at least an IC or U.S. Title run, to see how he does as champion.

Guess what, you people say you will boo Strowman. Good, because he is a heel, and you are SUPPOUSED to boo him. But maybe you will all cheer him instead, just to troll Vince and put the wrinkle in his plans. This is the problem with giving the WWE Universe too much power, the tail starts wagging the dog.

I don't buy that people here don't want to see people fail. What about Cena? For years, people booed Cena, called him names, accused him of things he never did, and wanted him to fail. They were probably pissed off if Cena didn't get pinned clean by Hornswoggle. So the WWE Universe definitely didn't want to see Cena succeed.

Even Triple H people wanted to see fail, and accused him of ONLY being a superstar because he married Steph, even though he won the title BEFORE he hooked up with her. People hate the guy on top, unless they are foul-mouthed wife-beaters like SCSA or filthy-mouthed Rock (not current Rock aka movie star Dwayne Johnson, the sell-out).

Yet they get behind someone like Cesaro, who has virtually nothing but hold the tag-team titles with the equally talented but equally lacking in personality and accomplishment Tyson Kidd. At least Kidd got where he did because of family connections. People get behind Cesaro who is incomprehensible on the mike and has not done anything warranting a main-event spot. Yet people love him because he can swing guys around the ring. You also get behind a glorified Billy Gunn rip-off like Dolph Ziggler, just because he does the same cool moves each match, and yet you people wanted him pushed beyond his station into the main event.

The fact is, if Vince doesn't push someone, you all embrace him as being a victim of the "glass ceiling", whereas anyone who Vince gets behind is Public Enemy No. 1 to the Universe, because how dare Vince make a decision without clearing it with the fans first. Doesn't he know that the WWE Universe are 100% responsible for his success and fortune, and that they put the sun in the sky as well and made it shine? Who does Vince think he is not kowtowing to a bunch of whiners behind their computers?

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

I agree that people shouldn't be pushed too soon. They need to establish themselves first, and after a year or two, then push them.

But many here who say it is too soon for Strowman have also said that they want Kevin Owens to main-event, despite coming up to the main roster less than six months ago.

Be consistent. Either new guy has to "pay their dues" before we accept them, or they don't. You can't cherry-pick who can get pushed early and who can't.

Kevin Ownes joined the main roster and feuded with Cena at B PPV's. The planned Strowman/Undertaker was going to be for WM. If Undertaker had a match with Strowman at Fast Lane or even Summerslam or Royal Rumble and if Undertaker wrestled more than three matches a year then I don't think people would have a problem with this match up.

 

[Navi]

I agree that people shouldn't be pushed too soon. They need to establish themselves first, and after a year or two, then push them.

But many here who say it is too soon for Strowman have also said that they want Kevin Owens to main-event, despite coming up to the main roster less than six months ago.

Be consistent. Either new guy has to "pay their dues" before we accept them, or they don't. You can't cherry-pick who can get pushed early and who can't.

In the case of Kevin Owens, for example, I would have him win MITB this year, as it signals a push in the future, but not too soon. Maybe Strowman needs something like the briefcase, or at least an IC or U.S. Title run, to see how he does as champion.

Guess what, you people say you will boo Strowman. Good, because he is a heel, and you are SUPPOUSED to boo him. But maybe you will all cheer him instead, just to troll Vince and put the wrinkle in his plans. This is the problem with giving the WWE Universe too much power, the tail starts wagging the dog.

I agree about Owens. I agree he should win the MITB this year, it's always better having a heel hold the case. But have you not been watching, he's already held the IC title, and did a fine job when he did hold it.

With regards to Strowman. He debuted in August, didn't spend hardly anytime in development, and now they want to put him against the Undertaker. Let's see him in a few singles feuds first. No one coming in has gotten that kind of rub. Owens beat Cena, but Owens has been wrestling as long as Cena has and knows his way around a ring, Strowman doesn't.

I don't buy that people here don't want to see people fail. What about Cena? For years, people booed Cena, called him names, accused him of things he never did, and wanted him to fail. They were probably pissed off if Cena didn't get pinned clean by Hornswoggle. So the WWE Universe definitely didn't want to see Cena succeed.

Even Triple H people wanted to see fail, and accused him of ONLY being a superstar because he married Steph, even though he won the title BEFORE he hooked up with her. People hate the guy on top, unless they are foul-mouthed wife-beaters like SCSA or filthy-mouthed Rock (not current Rock aka movie star Dwayne Johnson, the sell-out).

This is where your argument fails you. Cena has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. He's closing in on Flair's record for holding the title, and has been carrying the WWE on his back for the past decade. The only complaint most have is that he is stale, and he is. But he doesn't play to the IWC, his fanbase is kids, and his gimmick works just fine for them. I have no problem with Cena, or HHH.

Yet they get behind someone like Cesaro, who has virtually nothing but hold the tag-team titles with the equally talented but equally lacking in personality and accomplishment Tyson Kidd. At least Kidd got where he did because of family connections. People get behind Cesaro who is incomprehensible on the mike and has not done anything warranting a main-event spot. Yet people love him because he can swing guys around the ring. You also get behind a glorified Billy Gunn rip-off like Dolph Ziggler, just because he does the same cool moves each match, and yet you people wanted him pushed beyond his station into the main event.

Cesaro is an excellent wrestler, so of course fans will get behind him. Just because he learned his skills in another company it doesn't matter, he is a WWE Superstar now and that's all that counts. And he does deserve a main event spot, he's just that good.

The fact is, if Vince doesn't push someone, you all embrace him as being a victim of the "glass ceiling", whereas anyone who Vince gets behind is Public Enemy No. 1 to the Universe, because how dare Vince make a decision without clearing it with the fans first. Doesn't he know that the WWE Universe are 100% responsible for his success and fortune, and that they put the sun in the sky as well and made it shine? Who does Vince think he is not kowtowing to a bunch of whiners behind their computers?

No one cares what Vince McMahon wants, well except for you. I get you now, you hate everyone that he does. If it's not a home grown WWE superstar then they are useless and of little value. That means that someone like Daniel Bryan, who gave us one of the best Wrestlemania moments ever, shouldn't even have been in that match. McMahon thought he was a B player and should have been treated as such.

The problem with that is that fans will make up their own mind who they like and dislike, and it won't be based on who someone tells them to. Vince McMahon brought this organization to where it is now, but if the fans hadn't come along with him, it wouldn't have been possible. He needs the fans just as much as they need him. It's about time you realized that as well. RAW just wouldn't look right playing to an empty arena would it.

 

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I agree about Owens. I agree he should win the MITB this year, it's always better having a heel hold the case. But have you not been watching, he's already held the IC title, and did a fine job when he did hold it.

With regards to Strowman. He debuted in August, didn't spend hardly anytime in development, and now they want to put him against the Undertaker. Let's see him in a few singles feuds first. No one coming in has gotten that kind of rub. Owens beat Cena, but Owens has been wrestling as long as Cena has and knows his way around a ring, Strowman doesn't.



This is where your argument fails you. Cena has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. He's closing in on Flair's record for holding the title, and has been carrying the WWE on his back for the past decade. The only complaint most have is that he is stale, and he is. But he doesn't play to the IWC, his fanbase is kids, and his gimmick works just fine for them. I have no problem with Cena, or HHH.



Cesaro is an excellent wrestler, so of course fans will get behind him. Just because he learned his skills in another company it doesn't matter, he is a WWE Superstar now and that's all that counts. And he does deserve a main event spot, he's just that good.



No one cares what Vince McMahon wants, well except for you. I get you now, you hate everyone that he does. If it's not a home grown WWE superstar then they are useless and of little value. That means that someone like Daniel Bryan, who gave us one of the best Wrestlemania moments ever, shouldn't even have been in that match. McMahon thought he was a B player and should have been treated as such.

The problem with that is that fans will make up their own mind who they like and dislike, and it won't be based on who someone tells them to. Vince McMahon brought this organization to where it is now, but if the fans hadn't come along with him, it wouldn't have been possible. He needs the fans just as much as they need him. It's about time you realized that as well. RAW just wouldn't look right playing to an empty arena would it.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the delusional poster.

1) I have been paying attention to Kevin Owens' IC run. Was that the IC run where he held the title for a month and lost to Dean Ambrose three times? Hardly a ringing endorsement of a great IC Title run.

No, Owens needs a longer title run or a MITB briefcase before he can compete in a main event IMO.

2) No-one got a rub like that you say? Let me present Exhibit A- Batista!

Batista, in only his third PPV singles match won the World Title off Triple H in the main event of WM21. Before that, he was in tag-teams with Ric Flair, and the fourth member of Evolution. I didn't hear people saying that Batista wasn't ready or hadn't proven anything back then. In fact, Batista was popular after this, so there goes the theory that people won't back a guy who has advanced great leaps and bounds in a short time.

3)My argument doesn't fail me. People here have said that Cena can't wrestle (Five Moves Of Doom), that he kowtows to kiddies, that he is holding down other talent and won't put people over. I assure you, that the complaints made against Cena on this board and others is more than Cena being bland and boring. Some have even hoped that he gets a career-ending injury.

4) "Cesaro does deserve a main event spot. He is just that good".

Oh, pardon me for taking a while responding to this point. I had to pick myself off the floor from laughing so hard for two hours.

Congrats, you have said the most absolutely ridiculous thing I have ever read on the board.

Cesaro is barely comprehensible on the mike, and is rarely on RAW or Smackdown, except as someone's tag partner or to take the fall. In which universe would Cesaro rate as a main-eventer? Saying things like this just destroys your credibility no end.

5) I will break this down into a few points.

(a) "No-one cares what Vince wants". Well, sponsors do, advertisers do, USA network do, fans who aren't internet trolls do, Trips, Stephanie and others who work alongside Vince do.

(b) I don't have a problem with non-homegrown WWE talent. The Undertaker, for example, was a staple in the territories and WCW for years. Sting has been in WCW, TNA and everywhere else before he joined WWE.

(c) I don't think Bryan should have headlined Wrestlemania. He only got there because the fans acted like spoiled crybabies, and Vince caved. You say that I can't criticize McMahon. Well, I do for this, because he bent over for whiny trolls who want to push a wrestler with the body of a third-world child into the biggest match of the year. Between that and having Brock break Taker's Streak, Wrestlemania XXX wasn't a good night for Vince McMahon creatively.

(d) Also, you people are so gullible. You actually buy that Vince doesn't rate Daniel Bryan. I bet you thought that everything Austin and Vince did to each other was real too. It is all a work. WWE DO rate Bryan, and that's why they won't clear him until he is 100% fit. Vince has played you like a fiddle, making you believe that they deliberately hold a popular guy down just because. Vince is doing this to garner these reactions from you guys, so that when Bryan wrestles, it sells more tickets. Vince didn't become a millionaire by being a dummy, but by playing you guys like dummies.

(e) You overrate your importance as a fan, don't you.

Firstly, if you stopped following WWE, guess what? It would be a drop in the ocean.

The IWC delude themselves that they make up the entire WWE audience. If you all left, WWE would still fill arenas with kids, women, other wrestling fans, the TRUE wrestling fans (not the type you are, who pretends to like it, but all you do is run it down). Sponsors and advertisers are still on board, and wouldn't be if the audience died. But it won't, because the Attitude Era trogladytes have been replaced by the PG crowd. As long as people are buying seats, it doesn't matter who it came from.

In other words, to quote the Rock:- "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!"

Do you know which company catered to the fans constantly? ECW. And where are they now? A few internet fanboys might get thrills, but it doesn't pay the bills.

Catering to one group alone (the Attitude Era loving, PG hating crowd who feels that wrestling owes them something) won't sell tickets long-term. Selling broadly, across the board to all genders, races and age groups does. You leave, and WWE won't even feel it.

Besides, I don't think you mean it. Go on, I dare you to walk away. If you don't like it, don't watch it,don't go to their shows, don't buy their merchandise etc. Go cold turkey on WWE. Wave goodbye to them. Don't give them one cent if you feel that they don't deserve it. But, most of all, don't come on wrestlezone and read what is happening, and don't post on here. Because if you don't watch the shows anymore, how can you comment on them? So, good bye and good riddance. Go on, walk away. But you won't. Because you don't really mean what you write. You just bag WWE to be cool and be loved by fellow posters on this site.

Navi, change your username to "naive" because you are clueless about what sells in wrestling.

 

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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the delusional poster.

Oh some say I might be delusional, but at least I'm not the world's biggest asshole. You my friend have that title all tied up.

Yes I read the drivel you spouted and while you started out well, it all came back to your usual argument. A rant on how WWE fans and the IWC in general are idiots, we must take what is handed to us and like it, have no opinion, follow the WWE corporate mandate, cheer when we're supposed to and boo who we should hate.

Yes we should all be like you. The problem is we aren't, and while you can't stand the IWC, and are the most unsociable person I've ever run across, you are a member of the IWC, and you post on a social network site. The irony is astounding.

Why you care what everyone else cares about and get so upset about it is the funniest thing I've ever seen to be honest. I don't care who you like, or who you don't, because I don't care about you period. If you burst into flames tomorrow wouldn't bother me a bit. And here's a newsflash for you, Vince McMahon wouldn't care either.