Vince Has Banned so much, what would you like to come back?

[Infamous_Enigma]

Over the years we have seen countless "bans"/"dont do that anymores". From the ORIGINAL piledriver, Chops, Bloodshed, Chairshots to the head, The ScrewDriver, The VerteBreaker and well as a bunch of other stuff.

Now lately i have seen many of the suplexs of the past dwindle away. The Dragon suplex, The German Suplex, The Hat Trick, etc. Now i know its mostly due to the PG rating, and the risk of breaking a neck. I understand that, but thats not what this thread is about. This thread is about what YOU would like to have unbanned/brought back. It can be a certain Move, a certain Match, or whatever else your brain can come up with.

I would love to just for one night have anything that is/was banned to be lifted. That doesnt mean i want so crazy ECW type of shit to go down, thats not what i want. I mean i would like to have a first blood or HIAC thats NOT watered down. Just a thought.

Have fun with the discussion.

 

[Wolfdemon]

BLOOD!!!!!!! I've said it several times and I'll stand here and support it again. The fact that they stop a match to clean up some blood is downright stupid. I'm not one for blading but if someone legitimately gets busted open then it should not be stopped. I also like the chops but it's not so much that they are banned because of Flair it's been said that it's a "dying" move so they pretty much said just don't do it anymore.

 

[Mr_billy]

I would have to say start with chops, they have been part of wrestling since I have been a kid, they were around because they had a no closed fist rule, and hey made a lot of noise. The only reason they are banned it seems is to be a slap in Flair's face. the other moves would be great to have back, but on occasion, so they seem to be total finishers, like maybe at ppv's. Blood is not necessary or hygenic, and chair shots can cause concussions.

 

[Celtic Tiger]

A proper hell in a cell match..the list is so long what we would love back..blood is something but not everything..besides hell in a cell it would have to be the tag team division i loved that shit years ago up till E&C Dudleys and Hardys parted way..in a tag match ya can expect a lot excitment never know how it will go..well up to 10yrs ago anyway it went shit..bring back a proper tag division is my choice..the wwe's is a joke when it comes to it

 

[Heartachetonight926]

Just to correct you a little bit, I saw Alberto del rio do a German suplex a couple weeks ago on Smackdown, So I'm not sure whether that move is banned or not. Same thing with chops, Yoshi tatsu and Kaval use them in almost every match still.

As far as what I want to come back, I think the Banning of the Chairshot's to the head was a little unnecessary. I understand that unprotected Chairshot's are dangerous and can cause concussions, but if you know how to sell a chairshot right (Putting your hands up to soften the impact) Then you virtually feel no pain at all....These new guy's just need to learn how sell the Chairshot right.

The no blood thing is really no big deal to me, sure it makes matches like Hell in a Cell and Extreme rules matches more believable, but using it every single week like TNA does is just kinda stupid if you ask me.

 

[King_of_Swing1520]

deffinatelly the blood. chair shots, if a wrestler wants to take a head chair shot then i say let him. if he doesnt then thats not his style and thats fine. same with bladding.

 

[Aaronliveshere]

I would like to see "Wrestlers" come back. We all know that it's entertainment. At least using the "Wrestler" give you a certain image in your head. Also, if they started using it again, the maybe we would get some wrestling back and not just entertainers. There are not alot of wrestlers out there now. Kurt Angle is probably the best one out there today. Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho (used to be one) and even Brock Lesnar. Back in the day. Just ask yourself the question. Is/Was Bret Hart a Professional Wrestler or a Sports Entertainer

 

[manstis1804]

For those saying "chops", have you not seen wrestlers using them recently? They're not banned, they're just limited so its not like 2002-2003 when everyone was throwing 80 chops in a match. Fine with me.

I miss powerbombs, they were always my favorite moves as a kid and they seem pretty scarce in all of wrestling today, including WWE.

 

[bxbigshow]

Not exactly 'banned' but definitely 'moved away from'...MANAGERS. Someone who can get the mic and sell their wrestler as the one you need to watch/love/hate/fear.

 

[Brahma Bull]

for starters, i dont think that chops are banned. i think that the crotch chop is banned. like the one hhh used. being pg, they dont want as much sexual innuendo. no more suck it in other words.

i also miss the blood. not being bloody all the time, but certain times. when lesnar rubbed hogan's blood on himself, it sent a strong message and was done right. not to mention stopping a match for blood is rediculous, and takes away from the mood of the match. it also hurts hell in a cell matches. im not saying we need blood all the time, but a couple times here and there makes it a lot more real and personal.

chairshots i can do without. enough wrestlers have had horrible problems after taking too many. i understand that there is a different with unprotected and protected, but enough of them can still do damage. they can still hit people with stuff though. hhh can still do the sledgehammer since it hits with his hand, and things like the conchairto, can still work since the chair never conects with the persons head.

also, i miss the divas in playboy. im not a perve, but come on, we wanna see some of them naked. actually, i miss the bra and panties matches and stuff. im really never entertained by the divas except very rarely. and with mickie, trish, and lita gone, i really only care to see michelle mccool and melina wrestle. the others are kinda embarrassing.

 

[HBKevin]

Blood is not necessary or hygenic, and chair shots can cause concussions.

Exactly. Wrestling, or the WWE specifically, has outgrown the old territory mainstays of blading and chairshots. TNA does it because they're desperate for that niche of viewers, or any demographic really. WWE is a multi-media entertainment corporation marketing to minors in particular, and they've had two high profile deaths in the last few years, one of them a guy who went crazy from brain damage and killed his family.

Blood can spread Hepatitis or HIV, and chairshots cause concussions if they're not taken right with the hands up. Neither one is needed for a good match, and in fact are crutches that were used a lot in the old days in territories that had a lack of actual well-trained wrestlers, and just became traditions that the fans expected to see. With the amount of talent, training and variety of styles that WWE talents have today, I don't see a need anymore.

 

[TheAbsolute1]

Since none of you are smart enough to notice it, i'll tell you straight up. Do you REALLY expect to see all the EXTREMELY physical wrestling moves of the past when todays wrestlers are wrestling twice as much as they used to? From the Smackdowns to the RAWs to the Superstars to the dark matches to the House shows. Yea Vince doesnt want his superstars busting out as much as they used to, too many injuries. These guys are wrestling 4 times a week, cant they catch a break? I'd like to see you do what they do as often as they do, then you'll know first hand buddy.

 

[(s)AINT]

Since none of you are smart enough to notice it, i'll tell you straight up. Do you REALLY expect to see all the EXTREMELY physical wrestling moves of the past when todays wrestlers are wrestling twice as much as they used to? From the Smackdowns to the RAWs to the Superstars to the dark matches to the House shows. Yea Vince doesnt want his superstars busting out as much as they used to, too many injuries. These guys are wrestling 4 times a week, cant they catch a break? I'd like to see you do what they do as often as they do, then you'll know first hand buddy.

You do realize that "today's wrestlers" are wrestling LESS than those of yesteryear? Back in the day nearly every Saturday and Sunday was a double-header so most wrestlers would have 4 matches just on the weekends alone, not to mention they never used to get as many days off, etc. There would be some weeks where a wrestler would have up to 11 matches in that time frame. So, in that regards the schedule itself is getting less extreme though not by that much. But, with cutting down drastically on drug use...less dates and less dangerous moves is way better to keep wrestlers safe and healthy.

I understand how people say chair shots are safe IF you get your hands up, but that doesn't always happen. Even if you want to or plan to, the timing could be off and bang straight to the skull. Can't be good. Even ROH has banned chair shots to the head too. How come no one complains about them?

Its all about keeping the wrestlers safe and I'm all for it. As far as the blood goes, I think in a regular match and blood appears and they stop it to clean it up...its fine. It actually makes it seem more realistic. However, when its a gimmick match like a last man standing or I quit or hell in a cell and they stop it to clean up the blood. Its pretty ridiculous in my opinion. Yes, I understand why WWE does it but still.

To answer the question though, I'd love to see someone use the piledriver again. Another thing that should be mentioned is that when a move is "banned" in WWE its not totally out-lawed. It just means that a wrestler would need special permission to use it. Like, Evan Borne's SSP. Its on the list of "banned" moves but because he does it so amazingly, WWE allowed him to use it as his finisher. So, it really depends on the person and if they feel confident it can be done safely or not.

=)

 

[boybrushedred]

i would like to see more hardcore matches again. it was a said day when i turned on ecw and heard them say this will be the last ever extreme rules match. sure they may have some on ppvs, but i liked it when every raw show had a least one hardcore match

 

[80s Dude]

chairshots i can do without. enough wrestlers have had horrible problems after taking too many. i understand that there is a different with unprotected and protected, but enough of them can still do damage

Some of the worst looking chair shots I have seen were taken from Foley (most of the ones he took made me cringe), or the three in a row that the British Bulldog took at the hands of either Triple H, or Test, I can't recall which. This was around the time shortly after Bret had left for WCW, and they tried to give Bulldog a push in the main event scene, and Bulldog had busted into Mcmahon's office and inadvertently knocked out Stephanie. I almost had a headache just from watching those.

Blood can spread Hepatitis or HIV

This is a very good point, and reminds me of the time that the Undertaker had a Hepatitis scare. This was back when Randy Orton was feuding with the Undertaker on Smackdown many years ago. Bob Orton senior had a form of Hepatitis, and while getting involved in one of the matches, ended up bleeding. The catch is, he never made known that he ever had Hepatitis. I'm not sure if he was aware himself or not, but I do remember 'Taker was furious when he found out.


As for moves that were banned that I would like to see come back, (and I'm not really sure it's banned, or if it just doesn't suit certain wrestlers gimmicks) is a well done Piledriver. I realize how dangerous they can be (just ask Austin), but even when they were done properly to protect the "opponent", they looked devastating.

 

[mister_b1LL]

Absolutely the piledriver. If you ask any random geek off the street what they think of when they think of wrestling, words like WWE, Hulk Hogan, bodyslam, and piledriver would definitely be the things they would say. And yet, The WWE, who was once home to Hulk Hogan who was one of many guys from yesterday and today who uses the bodyslam, doesn't allow the piledriver. For me it's just a staple of wrestling, and yes I understand the risks that wrestlers take either delivering it or recieving it.

Would it be possible for a guy to possibly audition his piledriver as one of the moves in his repertoire like Evan Bourne did for the Shooting Star Press?

In my writing I also just remembered: Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Shawn Michaels did a piledriver on the Undertaker on a set of stairs last WrestleMania. If that's not it, then it was at WM23 that he did it.

 

[Hazardous]

For all you people asking for blood, shut the hell up. Are you that basic that you NEED that stuff? Same with the chair shots to the head. Do we really need more stuff like this?:


How about the Royal Rumble match between Rock and Mankind? 11 chair shots to the head. That what you want? Well too bad. There is no need for that shit anymore. I'm GLAD they got rid of that stuff. Shows they care about their performers more then they do the ratings. Unlike during your precious "Attitude Era".

As for the comment on the crotch chops, no they are allowed. The most recent run of DX did take place in the PG era don't forget. They are just reserved for HHH and HBK.

As for the question at hand.. I'll go with the Piledriver as well. Now I understand the reason's behind it, as I did with the SSP (ask Chavo there). But it's an effective move. I'm glad the crossface has been brought back, that was always one of my favorites. Some more use of the Powerbomb would be alright too I guess.

 

[Honkey_Kong]

Aside from moves, I'd like for them to stop banning Chris Benoit from their history. I really don't think they should let the bad end to his life be reason to pretend he didn't do anything in the ring or he ever even existed. He had a ton of great matches and he was one of my favourite wrestlers.

But seeing this is a moves thread. I really wish not so much the moves persay, but the whole Lucha Libre style that wrestlers like Rey Mysterio jr used to have and wrestlers like Blitzkieg, Juvendtud, etc would come back in the WWE. On top of that, suplexes, piledrivers etc are all good. And I'd wish somebody would use Petey William's finisher in there. The Destroyer was my favourite finisher.

 

[enterkey]

Aside from moves, I'd like for them to stop banning Chris Benoit from their history. I really don't think they should let the bad end to his life be reason to pretend he didn't do anything in the ring or he ever even existed. He had a ton of great matches and he was one of my favourite wrestlers.

I agree with you on this mainly because there are times when I'm cruising the WWE webpage and I want to look up information on titles such as how the title changed hands and become increasingly annoyed when I get to the single unclickable name on the whole list, the great wrestler turned horrible person Chris Benoit. Now its understandable that they would want to distance themselves from Benoit as much as possible but its been over 3 damn years now and the public has a right to see his matches and learn the entire WWE history, not just bits and pieces of the best stuff just to boost Vince's ego. I'm not saying they should create Benoit dvd's or even mention him on TV but there's a point where the censorship just becomes plain ridiculous.

But seeing this is a moves thread. I really wish not so much the moves persay, but the whole Lucha Libre style that wrestlers like Rey Mysterio jr used to have and wrestlers like Blitzkieg, Juvendtud, etc would come back in the WWE. On top of that, suplexes, piledrivers etc are all good. And I'd wish somebody would use Petey William's finisher in there. The Destroyer was my favourite finisher.

I feel that the main reason that the Lucha Libre style isn't around anymore except for the occasional time that Mysterio actually does something entertaining is because that it simply never really caught on with the fans. For countless years I watched and watched them attempt to push these guys and out of the countless high flying Luchadors only the craziest flippy bouncy guy was able to get over with the most ridiculous finisher. Anytime I think of guys like Juventud I am automatically reminded of No Mercy 2005 in which Juventud, accompanied by his fellow lawn mower riding Mexicools, won the Cruiserweight title and had the crowd fairly unimpressed throughout the entire thing and most of them, including myself, wondering who the fuck were those guys. Maybe it was the booking of the CW title or the fact that since I never watched WCW and never saw them flounder in the CW division for an eternity but I just could never really get into them, from Esa Rios to Mysterio I can take em or leave em. They do some great hurricanranas though but thats just about the only good thing I can think of right now

 

[Honkey_Kong]

I agree with you on this mainly because there are times when I'm cruising the WWE webpage and I want to look up information on titles such as how the title changed hands and become increasingly annoyed when I get to the single unclickable name on the whole list, the great wrestler turned horrible person Chris Benoit. Now its understandable that they would want to distance themselves from Benoit as much as possible but its been over 3 damn years now and the public has a right to see his matches and learn the entire WWE history, not just bits and pieces of the best stuff just to boost Vince's ego. I'm not saying they should create Benoit dvd's or even mention him on TV but there's a point where the censorship just becomes plain ridiculous.


I feel that the main reason that the Lucha Libre style isn't around anymore except for the occasional time that Mysterio actually does something entertaining is because that it simply never really caught on with the fans. For countless years I watched and watched them attempt to push these guys and out of the countless high flying Luchadors only the craziest flippy bouncy guy was able to get over with the most ridiculous finisher. Anytime I think of guys like Juventud I am automatically reminded of No Mercy 2005 in which Juventud, accompanied by his fellow lawn mower riding Mexicools, won the Cruiserweight title and had the crowd fairly unimpressed throughout the entire thing and most of them, including myself, wondering who the fuck were those guys. Maybe it was the booking of the CW title or the fact that since I never watched WCW and never saw them flounder in the CW division for an eternity but I just could never really get into them, from Esa Rios to Mysterio I can take em or leave em. They do some great hurricanranas though but thats just about the only good thing I can think of right now

I suggest you youtube psicosis vs tajiri from ECW if you want a good match to get you in to the lucha libre style.

But the thing I liked about those lucha libre matches was the fast pace high assortment of moves. It was way more entertaining than seeing orton punch and kick for 3 minutes, get his ass kicked then out of nowhere land the RKO

 

[enterkey]

I suggest you youtube psicosis vs tajiri from ECW if you want a good match to get you in to the lucha libre style.

But the thing I liked about those lucha libre matches was the fast pace high assortment of moves. It was way more entertaining than seeing orton punch and kick for 3 minutes, get his ass kicked then out of nowhere land the RKO

You're obviously not giving Orton enough credit, he also does chinlocks, clotheslines, his fancy backbreaker, a powerslam of inconsistent quality and quickness, the DDT that used to look infinitely more impressive when it was only an occasional "I need to fuck this guy up" move, and then pounds the ground praying that his shoulder doesn't dislocate itself again before his opponent gets up and almost always bitches out of the way of the RKO. What you're talking about sounds much more like the majority of John Cena matches from roughly 2005-2010+ when they want to make a man look dominant but don't want to make Cena look like a bitch so they decide to unevenly book the match but that's just my perspective on it.

It is a shame that Mysterio has had to go through so many knee surgeries and has been forced to water down his repertoire a ridiculous amount as once upon a time he used to be fairly entertaining to me during my days as a spot monkey fan. If Mysterio were to try some more innovative moves similar to what he did during his early days with the WWE and preferably just discard that horrible finisher of his then there would be a good reason for Vince to look for some fresh new Luchadors to add to the roster and bring back the CW division for them to stay relevant. This of course would only work if Mysterio was willing to put over some young Mysteriolike lads that have the potential to blow the house off of the building if they show any kind of charisma and ability to get over aside from doing massive flipsors all over the place. An event such as this would most likely hurdle them further than Mysterio was ever able to go aside from after Eddie's death and when the E was afraid he was going to bitch out on them and not resign.

 

[Mr_Ratings]

Its not about the banning of certain moves, the blood, the attitude era, the wrestlers health, or what we want as fans. Vince could care less about all of that, its all about getting his wife a seat in the senate and the extreme changes vince will make in his product to get that.

But the casual wrestling fan will never get that. So enjoy your PG wrestling. Its wrestling for the controlled communists.

 

[AndyUK]

Its not about the banning of certain moves, the blood, the attitude era, the wrestlers health, or what we want as fans. Vince could care less about all of that, its all about getting his wife a seat in the senate and the extreme changes vince will make in his product to get that.

But the casual wrestling fan will never get that. So enjoy your PG wrestling. Its wrestling for the controlled communists.

Eh, no, it isn't all about getting his wife into the senate. I'm sure that it is part of it but he's done all of the stuff that you're bitching about before.

He banned blood in the early to mid nineties when the WWF was PG before and people got fined whenever they used it, he started to ban moves a few years ago when moves like the SSP and the Piledriver started causing injuries. You need stop living in the past and the Attitude Era because since the first Wrestlemania, WWE has been PG a lot longer than it has been TV-13.

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

I would have a proper HIAC match. What I mean is let there be blood in the HIAC match because a HIAC match needs blood. It makes it less real when there is no blood because having your head hit off a metal cage will cause blood, also have someone fall of the top of the cell. Nowadays HIAC matches are just boring, so I wish for one night that isn't PG so there can be a proper HIAC match.

 

[The Pagan]

I miss the days of tag teams a lot. Tag Team wrestling was always great because the guys could get a rest and the matches were always pretty exciting. A lot of guys got their starts as part of a tag team. It is definitely one of the things hurting WWE right now.