Velvet Sky CAN wrestle damn it!

[Renzino]

This is a thread defending Velvet Sky's in ring ability and as a performer in general. Because I am really getting tired of people discrediting her as a wrestler.

Since a lot people seem to think Vevet Sky has zero wrestling ability.

Think about it if Velvet Sky had absolutely no wrestling ability what so ever then how in the hell did she get signed to TNA not mention how did she win all of these titles?

Defiant Pro Wrestling
DPW Women's Championship (1 time)

Georgia Wrestling Alliance
GWA Ladies Championship (1 time)

TNT Pro Wrestling
TNT Women's Championship (1 time)

Universal Wrestling Association
UWA Women's Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Ariel

Women's Extreme Wrestling
WEW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
WEW World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with April Hunter (1), Tiffany Madison (1)

World Xtreme Wrestling
WXW Women's Championship (1 time)

I will say this as a fan Velvet Sky is not the greatest in ring performer but she sure as hell isn't as bad as people make her out to be. She CAN wrestle and if she was allowed could have some good matches, but for some weird reason TNA doesn't think she can.

Velvet can work pretty well when given the chance back in 2008 she had two good matches with Gail Kim and in their second match Velvet showed a mean streak that's she is rarely allowed to show and showed some good ring psychology by going after Gail's injured leg in the match.

It's like people seem to forget that she had more a move set before she was paired with Angelina Love and before they turned heel and became the Beautiful People.

Speaking of the Beautiful People I am a fan of Angelina Love as well and she is very talented and I am glad that she is back in TNA. However, I am tired of people giving all the credit to Angelina for the BP and act like Velvet had nothing to do with the success of the group. Velvet worked just as hard as Angelina did to get the group over and she played her part to perfection.

Yes Angelina is obviously the better worker of the two but I still believe that Velvet could be something more then her current role if TNA allowed her to be. I would like to see her get a push in the near future.

Also it is not Velvet Sky’s fault that the current version of the Beautiful People isn’t that good as was when was just Angelina and her. Velvet has done the best she could and pretty much carried them as far as charisma goes but it’s obvious that she doesn’t have the same chemistry with Madison Rayne and Lacey Von Erich as she did with Angelina Love. Plus the way they are booked doesn’t help them either.

I will admit that Velvet doesn’t seem to show as much enthusiasm and have as much fun doing the BP gimmick as she used to but I can’t really blame her.

I know some people think that Velvet doesn't have what it takes to make it on her own without the BP gimmick, but I think she could if given the chance but I don't TNA is going to give her that chance.

Another thing people seem to forget is that Velvet has to play up her character and gimmick which is a woman that cares more about her looks then her wrestling skills and that she isn't booked to do a lot of stuff. However, with that it makes her come off like she can't wrestle and I think that TNA creative really needs to take some responsibility for that.

I will admit that Velvet can stand to make some improvements in the ring but she is never going to make those improvements with the way that she is booked and her limited ring time.

Speaking of Velvet's booking and her lack of credibility in TNA. They never allow her to win matches or look good on TV so of course she has no credibility.

Her biggest achievement in TNA was winning a Knockouts Battle Royal by pinning Gail Kim to earn a Knockouts title shot against the then champion Taylor Wilde

Here is where the problem starts. Velvet has the match and she loses not once, not twice but three times in one match! I understand they needed to make Taylor Wilde look strong as a champion but that was just ridiculous.

I don’t care how you feel about Velvet as a performer she did not deserve that. All it did was bury her as legitimate title contender and someone that could have been a top face or heel for the company.

Anyway closing thoughts. I feel that Velvet Sky is a good all around talent that I feel TNA could use better.

At 28 I think Velvet still has time to improve and get better but I know a lot people don’t see it that way.

Your thoughts?

 

[JackBurton]

doesn't really matter if she can wrestle or not - as long as she can work.

And before anyone comes plowing in trying to tell me working is wrestling, dont bother. Its not. Working is what you do between the moves. Selling etc etc. The fact is; people obviously buy her character, which makes her a good worker. Im not a huge fan or anything I just hate it when smarks talk as if they understand what "working" is AND guaranteed there would have been a few wading in on this thread telling you she cant work.

 

[Wrestlefan27]

Austin could wrestle too in his day, but he didn't. He didn't have to. He was a brawler and that was his niche. Velvet is a brawler and has even been put over by the announcers as such. She sells her character well enough. She doesn't need to chain wrestle.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

TNA has a lot of women who can actually wrestle. At least a lot if you compare them to WWE. What they're lacking in is real "eye candy." As part of TBP that is part of her job just to be hot. There's no question she is quite hot. But being in that role in TNA they've also stereotyped her as being lacking in the wrestling department. Maybe she can wrestle, but they don't need her to.

 

[THE RKO ANIMAL]

Just because she won all of those titles doesn't mean she is a good wrestler. There are a bunch of different reasons a company would hire a wrestler. Maybe they cut good promos and are good on the mic. I'm not saying she is a bad wrestler I think she has some talent i'm just saying that there are other reasons TNA could have signed her.

 

[Saritafan]

NOPE Velvet sucks and she will always suck. She's nothing but eye candy and comedy, i find it interesting that velvet is the only member in the beautiful people that has stayed in the group from beginning to present. you know why that is, because she can't wrestler to save her life and is nothing beyond the beautiful people

Also Velvet just doesn't have the "IT" factor. She's just another blond that tries to play wrestler

Madison Rayne is the REAL wrestler of the group, she's been carrying this group ever since Angelina left. Lacey can't wrestler, velvet can't wrestler so it's been Madison's job to keep this group going in the ring

trust me Madison is a future star in TNA, she has the "IT" factor and will be one of the rising knockouts in TNA

velvet will be released once the beautiful people ends, she can take lacey von erich with her

 

[fenfool]

She's good at her role...no, she's not the best wrestler in the world, but she doesn't have to be. She gets ratings is the bottom line. I'd rather watch Gail Kim or Mickie James wrestle, but I enjoy watching her work too. I think the Knockouts work because of different personalities and styles...I can't even tell the WWE Divas apart. Throw Velvet, Angelina, Kong, Hamada, Tara, Roxie and ODB in a ring, and you know who is who.

 

[wrestling fan 666]

NOPE Velvet sucks and she will always suck. She's nothing but eye candy and comedy, i find it interesting that velvet is the only member in the beautiful people that has stayed in the group from beginning to present. you know why that is, because she can't wrestler to save her life and is nothing beyond the beautiful people

Also Velvet just doesn't have the "IT" factor. She's just another blond that tries to play wrestler

Madison Rayne is the REAL wrestler of the group, she's been carrying this group ever since Angelina left. Lacey can't wrestler, velvet can't wrestler so it's been Madison's job to keep this group going in the ring

trust me Madison is a future star in TNA, she has the "IT" factor and will be one of the rising knockouts in TNA

velvet will be released once the beautiful people ends, she can take lacey von erich with her

Are you f'n kidding me?? Madison has the "IT" factor?? Velvet is under-rated eyecandy and as long as TNA wants her to; she'll continue to be just that. She has talent, ring skills, mic skills, the "IT" factor (hell look at her fan base), and one hell of a worker. It is to be determined as to where the new Hulk regime is defining the womens Knockouts; but if they were smart, they'd continue where it left off. The Knockouts have made a mark in today's wrestling and by NOT pushing the talent in said organization, it could easily die off. I bring this up because since Angelina left; TNA has yet to establish Velvet as the leader in the BP and in doing so, how can she (or they) be pushed to greater heights?

I'm a big fan of Velvet-even though she's a Yankees fan . She can make the BP work if TNA decides to get their act together and start writing for the Knockouts. I also agree that Daphney is a tremendous talent; along with the rest of the Knockouts (excluding Lacey...sorry but the girl can't even lace her shoes). Give them stories and they all have the talent and heart to carry the division.

Did anyone else notice the storyline of Michelle McCool and Layla and compare how they're trying to act like/be like the BP? I love how the WWE looks their nose down on TNA; yet has to take ideas off of them.

 

[RVDgurl]

Velvet Sky absolutely CAN wrestle. That's why TNA signed her. Remember not so long ago when TNA was just starting the Knockout Division? They went out and got some of the best female wrestlers that the independent scene had to offer. Velvet SKy has a very solid background and numerous titles to prove it. It just so happens that the character she currently portrays doesn't allow her to showcase alot of her wrestling skill. And that's ok because she plays the gimmick very well. But make no mistake about it, she certainly not just another pretty face pretending to be a wrestler.

 

[wazaveli]

The only thing wrong with Velvet Sky was that she dating..Gregory Helms( in that weird way his theme used to say his name ) How in the world did he score her?

She is absolutely stunning to watch and while not Lou Thesz can make her presence felt in a match the way her character aka a ditzy blonde bimbo who couldn't fight to save her life, would make. When he gets that little opportunity to scratch, claw and brawl with a downed opponent, she is being a dirty heel and what is wrong with that?

At the end of the day she will remain a part of TNA in a major way and I'm sure the majority of fans wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Spicytunahandroll]

Velvet can wrestle, no question. She is stronger in ring than 90% of the divas/knockouts in wrestling today. She takes moves well and delivers strong looking strikes with her elbows and has a good slap. Good on kicks and has good in ring psych with the crowd and knows when to pose and posture to the crowd. She is not really a high flyer but does go to the second rope every now and again. She is still very hesitant delivering and taking moves as is almost every female wrestler but it is less noticeable with her than others like Lacey or Christie or any of the Divas except for Beth Phoenix and Gail Kim. She seems to scream way too much but it is kinda her thing.

Is she Tara good? NO but she is still good enough to get by and add her looks on top and she is a top star in female wrestling.

Hey at least she can wrestle some! That is more than I can say for most of the DIVAS today!

As far as the "it factor", SHE HAS IT. She is so extremely hot and sexy. She is not PORN STAR HOT like Angelina Love and she is not GIRL NEXT DOOR HOT like Maria but she has such a great looking body and her face is just great as well. The only draw back to her is the tattoo's but they do differentiate her from others.

 

[shattered dreams]

She definitely is not deserving of you can't wrestle chants. I think some are frustrated that she is a worse wrestler than many of the KOs, which does not mean she is bad by any means, but is still on tv more than a lot of them because her assets (emphasis on the first three letters) are getting ratings. to be fair she does have one of if not the best character in the division though.

It will be interesting to see how good her match is with Angelina once they finally go at it. If she can come through with a good wrestling match there I think it might silence some critics. If velvet drops the ball there and they keep pushing the beautiful people every week without a purpose the crowd might continue to turn on them increasingly. What some might forget is that if she annoys you she is doing exactly what they want her to do.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Velvet Sky can get over with the crowd, she's very good at what she does, she's extremely hot. However, I don't think she's a great wrestler in terms of what she can do in the ring and winning championships isn't an indication of in-ring skill. Rob Terry is the reigning TNA Global Champion and he's arguably the worst male wrestler on the TNA roster.

I've watched Velvet Sky work in the ring and she isn't horrible at all but she's certainly not great. In a lot of the matches I've watched with her, there are times in which she reminds me of some of the WWE Divas in the way that she moves while she's working in the ring. She doesn't have the smooth, natural flow in the ring the way some of the better TNA Knockouts can like Sarita, Taylor Wilde, Tara, Alyssa Flash and some others that've been in TNA. There are times that she just looks extremely awkward in the ring, like she's half a step behind what she's supposed to do.

Overall, however, I'd say she's a little above average in the ring. I think she definitely has tons of charisma and she's one of the primary reasons why The Beautiful People have been consisently among the biggest draws for TNA iMPACT!

 

[maar130]

Well I think Velvel can be more successful than she seems to be.

Lets face facts, she is not a grat wrestler, not bad but not the best Knockout there is to be honest. Angelina Love was the best of the two but The Beautiful People was not only Her, Velvet contributed a lot as well and she shoudl be the rightful head of the BP.

Now, I don't really agree with all Saritafan said but he made a good point that Madison is the best of the 3 members now and yes, she will be a star in the near future.

Velvet, well first they need to get her out of Jobber mode first, but she has charisma (is freaking annoying as she should be) and well, gets her part together without looking horrible either. Her offense lacks of something (in and out of TNA, believeme I have watched some of her early matches and she has improved because on those, even champioship matches were bad as Hell).

And Lacey...well, you can't really tell if he has improved or get worse, I mena she was by far the worst Knockout in the terms of hability but since she only get in like 3 seconds, uses the dam stick or gets knocked down, how the hell is supposed to get better? I mean if the girl is bad put her first in squash matches and let her take the fall, The only reason why Velvet and Madison are the one staking the fall is because he last name is Von Erich and they should change that, because if the group lacked of direction, that is drgging it to the mudd and the entire KO division with it.

Now there are less and less Knockouts matches because of the new direction on the company that consider's the BP the main attraction to the audience, but that they are not good when in the ring and are only good for backsatge segments, which is lame.

If they allow them to shine they will shine, they did in the past and will do into the future.

Same goes for Velvet, let her have one on one matches and ifyou want the girl to improve put her not in squash matches, but meaningful matches, the only good part of Angelina not teaming with Velvet is that at least if they allow them they will work againts each other and can look great while working against each other. With that they will push Velvet to be better, I mena the Charisma is there, she just need to polish her in rign skills, she has done it in the past and can keep improving if they allow her to do so.

I mean, wresting wise she is no Madison and by far no Taylor or Angelina, but Her charisma is there and if she improves, she can be a Hell of a contender fro the Knockouts title.

 

[waylon p]

just because an arguably major wrestling organization hires someone, does not mean they can actually wrestle. case in point? lacey vonerich. another? david flair. a third? giant gonzales.

that being said, velvet sky can actually wrestle. no, she's no dean malenko, but she has the ability to work through a decent match. (btw, "working" is most certainly not what one does when on camera and not wrestling. it is the entirety of your act when you come out from the enterance, as well as i little of what you do backstage) velvet has as much wrestling ability as the ultimate warrior, and more than hogan. "but," you say "those guys were big and musclebound. they looked like they were tough" EXACTLY! they had a good look. one that made one want to tune in. so does velvet. end of story.

THE PROPHET HAS SPOKEN. heed the words of the waylon prophet, or suffer in ignorance.

 

[Cowboyfromhell]

Do any of you remember when TNA started the Knockouts division? They brought girls in who can wrestle, some hot(Velvet) and some not (ODB). But they are women who can wrestle. The WWE has generally attractive women they try to make wrestlers, TNA is the opposite. They have wrestlers who may or may not be attractive. Velvet is very athletic having played sports growing up, went to wrestling school and has worked independents for years. She wasn't a model who TNA is just throwing out there because she's got a great body. She isn't allowed to showcase her talent because it's not her character right now. The BP are supposed to cheat to win. If they are the best wrestlers they wouldn't need to cheat, thus taking that aspect away from their character. The girl can wrestle. I know she isn't the wrestler that Tara or Angelina is but she could wrestle a ring around Kelly Kelly and some of the other divas.

 

[Renzino]

Some good responses in this thread and it's nice to see there are other people who thinks Velvet Sky has talent.

She definitely is not deserving of you can't wrestle chants. I think some are frustrated that she is a worse wrestler than many of the KOs, which does not mean she is bad by any means, but is still on tv more than a lot of them because her assets (emphasis on the first three letters) are getting ratings. to be fair she does have one of if not the best character in the division though.

Velvet definitely did not deserve those "You can't wrestle" chants she got a few weeks ago and your right she has the best character in the Knockouts division next to Daffney and Angelina.

It will be interesting to see how good her match is with Angelina once they finally go at it. If she can come through with a good wrestling match there I think it might silence some critics. If velvet drops the ball there and they keep pushing the beautiful people every week without a purpose the crowd might continue to turn on them increasingly. What some might forget is that if she annoys you she is doing exactly what they want her to do.

I also think Velvet could have a good match with Angelina if given the chance and yes her character is suppose get under your skin and make you mad.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Velvet Sky can wrestle, her character can't. Velvet's character now is just a drama queen that is afraid of fighting in the ring. When she does get in the ring she usually cowers and screams when someone gives her a clothesline. Then she gets pinned in 5 seconds. When Velvet was beating Angelina with that belt last night, not only was I turned on but I was also amazed at how vicious Velvet's character could be.


I think TNA needs to make TBP into a heel team that is as vicious as they are beautiful. Every time Velvet or TBP gets any offense on someone it's not believable because you know they haven't won a match in months.

 

[hatehabsforever]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Velvet Sky, she is one of the few redeeming features in an otherwise virtually unwatchable TNA product. She's absolutely gorgeous, her ring entrance is fantastic, she's incredibly sexy, and her bitchy character can only be compared to Maryse.

Having said all of this, she, like virtually all of the knockouts, is incredibly over-rated. Her in-ring skills are average at best, a lot of her mic skills involve her screaming, sometimes even before she is actually attacked, and from where I'm sitting, she doesn't bring much more to the table, other than what I said above, than the divas do.

Now I have only been watching iMPACT with any form of regularity since the Hogan fiasco began. I cannot comment on her performances prior to this, nor her abilities which she may have demonstrated on the indy scene, I'm talking only of what she's been doing in TNA since 2010.

And she's been eye candy, nothing more, nothing less, like a WWE diva. Which I'm OK with, I have no problem with this in either TNA or WWE. That's all women's wrestling has ever really been in my opinion, and this will be the direction TNA heads in as they attempt in vain to compete with the WWE.

For those of you who insist that the Knockouts are so much better than the Divas, watch last night's iMPACT again. That "match" and backstage segment was no better than any typical WWE diva segment. If you think otherwise you truly must be a biased TNA smark.

 

[Melina]

Sorry I don't see it with Velvet.

She is constantly botching little spots in matches (just watch the confrontation with Angelina to see what I am talking about), and she has to be carried by her opponent constantly. Her saving grace has been Madison, because in those Tag Matches, whether 3 on 3, or 2 on 2, take out Madison, and the matches are impossible to watch.

She is very hot, and I love to see her on television, but she is not a very good wrestler.