Tyson Kidd - New Star?

[Jessie Lynn DivaGirl]

For all those people (like me) who decided to watch NXT just to see if this guy had another match, I think it's time we start discussing this guy's future. Since he came to Smackdown he's been been in some awesome matches, has won quite a few of them and has been all around fantastic! Now this past NXT we saw the return of Season 1 rookie Justin Gabriel. It had to be one of the best matches of the week and it's not even over yet! We've seen this match before on Superstars (a week after Gabriel vs Slater) and although Justin beat Tyson both times the matches were awesome to watch and kept me on the edge of my seat.

So that brings me to my point: Is the WWE pushing Tyson Kidd's image as a heel to turn him into a star? And if so, will they put him in any worth watching feuds?

Discuss

 

[The Future Rises]

Well the idea for Kidd was to bring in NXT season 3 rookie Maxine as his final manager to end his whole manager fail angle. But they decided to drop that idea and bring in Aksana in a role with Teddy Long apparently.

I like Tyson. And I hope he goes far. Though he's gonna have a pretty big mountain to climb if he wants to get to the top from now. I say give him some mic time and hope he improves. If he doesn't there's always that idea of having Maxine or Matt Striker or another good talker being his mouthpiece.

He's got talent no doubt. But he needs to improve in just about every other category before he gets ready to become a huge star in the future. He's still young at 31. So he has a lot of time to improve. Let's just hope he does cause he's an amazing talent that can really go in the ring.

 

[Mustang Sally]

No one is better able to sell the moves of his opponent better than Tyson Kidd. He's one of the best ring workers ever and I'd wager the other performers love working with him because he makes them look good. His matches with both Sin Caras' went well because Tyson knows just how to position himself to maximize Cara's offensive moves. That's not easy to do; just ask Chavo Guerrero (if you can find him).

Of course, the main problem in all this is that Tyson functions best as a jobber; nothing more. He loses.....he looks good doing it.....and he makes his enemy look good. There's a functional purpose here, but it makes you wonder if it will ever result in a push for this guy. Hopefully, it will because Tyson Kidd can do it all. When management split up the latest version of Hart Foundation, I was sure that if they kept either man, it would be Harry. Instead, WWE seems to have made the right choice this time.

 

[VKOriginal]

Tyson has potential no doubt, if they want the fans to give some pops instead of being dead silent i personally think they should have a Sin cara and tyson feud, sin cara HAS potential but i dont see him near intercontinental/united states championship forget WHC. Back on topic both the stars get pops and would be a interesting midcard-lower mid feud that entertains the fans rather then seeing the main eventers, gives them the time off as well.

 

[RicoLen]

He's too old and green to be the next Bret or Owen, but thankfully the place he's lacking is with mic skills, not mat skills. If he can grow there just enough to be passable in the WWE (and seriously, you kinda have to be flat out garbage not to get by here) with his mic skills, then he should have a pretty good future ahead of him.

As I said in another thread, it's obvious when you watch him that Tyson comes from the Hart Dungeon. He really represents Stu Hart well just like Bret & Owen did. If he weren't so tiny, and had a personality that could shine through he could be great, without... man I don't really know.

 

[The Brain]

I have nothing against Tyson Kidd. In fact I kind of like him. However I don’t see him going very far. You know who else people thought was a great worker? Jamie Noble, and Nunzio, and Tajiri, and Dean Malenko and so on and so on and so on. These kind of guys are limited by that proverbial glass ceiling that is so hard for smaller guys to break through. It’s always talked about how guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, and Chris Benoit set a path for smaller guys to make it to the main event. The thing is guys like the ones I listed above, including Tyson Kidd, make Hart, HBK, and Benoit look like Diesel. Kidd will probably give you some good matches in a losing effort on Smackdown once in a while, Superstars more often, but he’s probably not going any further than that. He’ll be used to make others look good. I’m not ripping the guy. I’m just speaking from past experience.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

id like to see tyson kidd get some kinda push as a heel on smackdown hes a good worker and he puts on good matches although if it meant a fued over the ic title i wouldnt mind a tyson kidd face turn to start a fued with cody rhodes over the ic title as i think they would put on some great matches together and it gives rhodes someone to fued with instead of big zeke until wwe decides to pull the trigger and turn ted dibiase face and let him fued with cody rhodes..but will kidd get that push? i doubt it sin cara/hunico is hanging around with nothing to do same with justin gabriel,heath slater and big zeke has nothing to do after another loss to cody with the title on the line but im hoping im wrong

 

[XXJJ]

He is a really good worker. He had a great match against Daniel Bryan a couple of weeks ago. Its no surprise Sin Cara has had his best matches against him.

The problem with him is that he has no gimmick, very little charisma and bad mic skills. Until he develops those things.... he is just going to be SD version of Evan Bourne.

 

[Roodey]

I am in agreement that Kidd is fantastic and that i'd love to see him get pushed.

As much as I enjoy his singles work, methinks the best way for him to get over more being the little fella that he is, is to partner him up with somebody(Mason Ryan?) and give them a decent tag push with the hopeful relaunch of the the Tag Team Division. Kidd could be the Owen to his partners Yokozuna.

Having said that, I wouldn't be crazy about seeing Kidd tagging with someone like Khali or Henry. Ugh.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

Well the idea for Kidd was to bring in NXT season 3 rookie Maxine as his final manager to end his whole manager fail angle. But they decided to drop that idea and bring in Aksana in a role with Teddy Long apparently.

I like Tyson. And I hope he goes far. Though he's gonna have a pretty big mountain to climb if he wants to get to the top from now. I say give him some mic time and hope he improves. If he doesn't there's always that idea of having Maxine or Matt Striker or another good talker being his mouthpiece.

He's got talent no doubt. But he needs to improve in just about every other category before he gets ready to become a huge star in the future. He's still young at 31. So he has a lot of time to improve. Let's just hope he does cause he's an amazing talent that can really go in the ring.

thats pretty much how i feel except i dont think matt striker should be a manager i just dont think hes good in the manager role...id like to see maxine manage tyson kidd though hopefully somehow this still happens. tyson kidd has been putting on good matches each week weather it be on superstars or smackdown id like to see him get a good manager (i still like the idea of maxine for this role) and for kidd to end up winning the ic title before the end of the year

 

[XXJJ]

I am in agreement that Kidd is fantastic and that i'd love to see him get pushed.

As much as I enjoy his singles work, methinks the best way for him to get over more being the little fella that he is, is to partner him up with somebody(Mason Ryan?) and give them a decent tag push with the hopeful relaunch of the the Tag Team Division. Kidd could be the Owen to his partners Yokozuna.

Having said that, I wouldn't be crazy about seeing Kidd tagging with someone like Khali or Henry. Ugh.

I agree, they obviously like his ring work because they are putting him on Smackdown every week. Him getting a push as a tag team wrestler is more realistic. I'm thinking maybe someone like Jindar Mahal as his partner. He has the size and has solid mic skills that Tyson Kidd lacks.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

He doesn't have a size problem, it's not a look problem, it's not that Vince doesn't like guys who do a lot of moves and wear kickpads, it's that he lacks charisma. He does everything else. Sells, tells a story in the ring, versitile. However, he just doesn't have charisma and that's a big part of it. He's like a hitter who has a high on base, speed, and hits a lot of singles. He's very valuable, but he'll never be a big star. Not until he gets some charisma.

 

[AGameTime411]

This thread has probably been done before, but y'know. I watched Smackdown this week. I must admit one of the highlights of the show was easily Tyson Kidd VS Justin Gabriel. Great bell to bell, high flying match. So this match begs the question, why is Tyson Kidd yet to receive a push? The guy is pure gold. He screams 'great heel mid card champion!' I mean, the past few weeks on Smackdown he has had some high quality matches VS Sin Cara and Daniel Bryan. Okay, so he lacks in the charisma department. But why did WWE give up the whole manager storyline they had for Tyson on Superstars? I mean Jimmy Hart as his manager could be a great combination.
So my questions are:

Does Tyson deserve a mid card push or more?

How would you push him? What rivalry could really have him prove himself?

And, who would you pick to be his manager?

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

Because Tyson doesn't seem to be particularly over with the crowd or gaining any kind of publicity where they can't ignore it.

I like Tyson, but he's never been great on the mic and he basically just goes out there and wrestles. He does that well, but the only way someone can really get over by just flat out wrestling and that's it is if they're doing CRAZY stuff (Bourne got somewhat over from his moves for instance) or if the WWE machine is willing to push them and give them a lot of focus. Without that push being there in the first place, Tyson has to work from the bottom and do something to make him stand out and get noticed, and he just hasn't done that yet.

If I were in WWE's shoes, I wouldn't be pushing him right now either - however, I'd be tagging him up with someone to help the tag team division as it wouldn't HURT him in the slightest bit, and it would kill 2 birds with one stone. It's much easier to get someone over if they have more screen time, and having someone like Kidd tagged up with someone (like McGillicutty or something, if he wasn't with Otunga) would mean that they share the ring time, leading to less injuries, you get your money out of both guys, you help the tag division, and 2 guys get on camera instead of 1 for the same amount of screen time.

As for your other questions:

Tyson doesn't deserve a midcard push yet, but he could in the future if he is upgraded in some way. If he stays the same he's at right now, then the only way he'd be someone I'd look at for the IC/US title would be if everyone else downgraded.

Manager-wise, I don't know if that would do the trick. It probably couldn't hurt him if he had a mouthpiece but I can't think of anyone that would really make him seem that much more important.

 

[Headman]

It's a personality issue. The ring work is there, but as stated above there is no connection with the fans. He's done nothing to improve his character or give us a reason to care about him. They could put him in a series of matches with Randy Orton or put any belt they want on him, but it won't do a thing to get him over until he improves as an entertainer. With that said, I like the guy. I hope the light in his head turns on like it did for Cody Rhodes, but right now there's quite a few guys on the roster I'd rather see pushed ahead of him.

 

[matthewchamilliard]

tyson kidd needs to be given a manager in order to get his push hes not good on the mic but hes great in the ring i think dolph can split with vickie soon and have a fued with swagger (or someone else its just the first guy who came to my head due to what happened on raw) and vickie can come to smackdown and manage tyson

 

[GameOver]

he's got no charisma and is too small to be booked any higher then the midcard. thats the answer

Having great in ring talent only doesn't make you a marketable star

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

Although he's good in the ring he lacks in personality, charisma, character, mic skills, fan connection and is too small for Vince. He may be one of the best bell to bell wrestlers in the company right now but that's not enough, you need a balance of everything and that is something Tyson doesn't have. I'm a fan of Tyson though because I find his matches entertaining but that's all. If Tyson is to be pushed he needs to improve on many things that he is currently weak on.

 

[Azane]

Tyson Kidd is boring.
He has no personality to carry a gimmick, without a gimmick there's little hope in today's product. You have to be an entertainer even more than a wrestler to hit the upper card with today's product, with the exception of a few who've paid their dues.
I find myself fast forwarding past him as often as Divas matches right now.

 

[H33LTurn]

I'm split on wether hes worth pushing. Hes good in the ring but we know by now thats not an excuse to keep someone around. He needs a mouthpiece or some mic time if he wants to get over with the TV crowd. He could be the next IC champion without all of that but I'm not sure he'll go further than that without some help. They had a good thing going with the whole manager thing but even better would be if they gave him a bodyguard. And no, I'm not talking about the guy that came out with him one night on RAW, they could get a guy like Brodus Clay that actually looks intimidating to do it. They could even have a whole angle with it where Brodus doesnt know if he'll take up the offer since hes tired of being a bodyguard for people but ultimately agrees then later turns on Tyson (after he wins the IC title) and they can feud for the belt.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

The fact that a lot of you guys are saying "he needs a manager and then a push" kind of proves he doesn't deserve a push.

You put a manager on a guy who has a lot of pieces in place but you just need to help jumpstart people on him. Tyson doesn't need jump started, he needs to be started.

Think about this, Cena and Punk did some chain wrestling (that actually looked like a struggle and told a story). However, let's say that Tyson Kidd and Justin Gabriel do those exact same moves. I guarantee that it gets a "boring" chant. It's because people care about what happens to Punk or Cena so they're more attentive.

If you have a character that people care about, then getting your stuff in the ring over is easy as long as you don't do anything too stupid, like if Mark Henry added a bunch of athletic jumping/technical shit to his moveset, he'd probably be less over because WTF you're the world's strongest man why do that? It'd show a lack of confidence to Mark.

It's that kind of detail to character. Like Orton deliberately because he's in control and is trying to keep his rage down, like Cena not giving a shit that Mysterio kicks his leg at first but then starts to protect his leg after a few. All these small little character details that coincide with your size/personality bring out a complete package that people believe in.

Tyson Kidd doesn't have that. He does everything right in the ring. I don't mean that he does a bunch of cool moves, that's not why he's good in the ring. He tells a story and does everything that fits his look in the ring and even sells well. Just doesn't have a character.

 

[Theo Mays]

I like Tyson Kidd. I would love to see him pushed as a midcard guy, much like DB. On SD they talked about how he just needed that jump start to get himself going. He certainly has the in ring abilities to go places. He is easily in the top 5 when it comes to that. His mic skills are certainly the only thing holding him back. He just lacks that certain ability to connect with the audience. That is where a manager would come in handy. You have a guy like Matt Striker talk up Tyson Kidd, let him pick up a few wins and then everything falls into place. The guy could really do some good things with the IC title if they ever gave him the chance. However I don't see it happening. I think Kidd will be stuck where he is now and that is jobbing to young, rising mid card talents. He makes them look spectacular and it allows them to move up the ranks and doesn't really hurt him in the process.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I wouldn't mind seeing Tyson get a decent push. He was a protege of Bret Hart for crying out loud. The kid knows how to wrestle better than three quarters of the roster by that alone. I enjoyed the match with Gabriel which was better than I thought it would be. Tyson could be great in the midcard title scene and if they push him as a serious submissions specialist then his fan support will grow because they would have a reason to care about him and he has loads of potential. Give the kid a chance, WWE! You will not regret it.