Training Wrestler Sick Of People Like You !!!

[THTRobtaylor]

As someone who also trained to be a wrestler I see why people get frustrated, but lets face it... If you can't handle someone critisisng a match you weren't part of, whats gonna happen when a live crowd gets on you during a match? Oh...Batista already did that one...

I respect anyone who goes through the sacrifice of learning to wrestle, but If they aren't very good, or something about them turns me off, then I won't like them...as a consumer of their product it's my god given right.

A Wrestling fan is a wrestler's customer... not every customer will like their work... and no one has a god given right to respect...

It's the wrestlers job to put on the best performance he can so those who do like his product are satisfied... Cena or The Rock didn't kick off cos they got booed to hell, they shoved it back up those fans asses by improving and winning people over.

A wise man said "You Can't Please All The People All Of The Time", it's the one lesson any wrestler HAS to accept and learn...

 

[pastie154]

Your a fully trained wrestler? Can you prove this? I'm not saying your not but this is my first incounter with you so i'm ignorant.

Can you prove your a wrestling trainer? and by what Im reading in this thread so far pretty much every post that you've made your having ago at pretty much everyone. Only thing people are complaining about with the Rey/Chavo match is JBL's comment reagarding Eddie Guerrero, and most of the people on this forum dislike John Cena because he was shoved down our throats and given a title run when you had wrestlers like Booker T who could've had a title run then instead on now.

 

[Dan1506]

What we dont like the "Real" wwe fans is that wwe CAN do beter but it doesnt because it doesnt have to, we dont blame the fucking wrestlers (EXCEPT JOHN CENA) we blame the bastard creative team.

 

[pastie154]

What we dont like the "Real" wwe fans is that wwe CAN do beter but it doesnt because it doesnt have to, we dont blame the fucking wrestlers (EXCEPT JOHN CENA) we blame the bastard creative team.

i agree with u thre the creaqtive team think we're all idiots which obviously we're not

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

. But dude you cant come on here and go off at people and shit like that,

I think that you're missing his point.

.
But why do you feel the need to come here and try to say our opinions are bullshit just because they dont fit urs.

He's not syaing that opinions are bullshit, he's saying that the way that they go about them is bullshit. You seem to pay attention to what I say, even if you don't agree, so check this out as it may make some sense.

Every time someone makes a thread like this the frequent response is "leave" or "we are entitled to our opinions". Of course you are but look around any forum. People come across as if they don't watch shows with the intention of hoping to like them rather with the intention to locate as much bad as possible. That may not be the case, but it's definately how it comes across. Everyone thinks that they're an expert these days and almost everyone thinks that their way of how things should go is the one and only right way. Most people don't state opinions they state their opinions as absolute facts and so forth. It's great to have forums but it's true that now that there's a more widespread way for people to discuss things, negativity outweights positivity big time.

People expect too much and then get mad when their personal expectations aren't met. They hear WWE promoting something as being great then it isn't quite as great so it's bashed. Of course WWE is going to promote everything as great as it's their job, but we're supposed to be smart enough to realize that instead of expecting everything to be delivered exactly as promised. It's common sense, but so many people seem to temporarily lack it and then complain.

That or they want something to happen in WWE, then it does but it's still wrong, therefore showing that WWE can't do anything right. They do a lot wrong and naturally people will voice their displeasure for it. However, when it seems like they nitpick everything from the way a guy walks, to the way his hair may be out of place, then it does become annoying to those like the thread starter who actually put forth an effort in the ring, knowing that one day they may make it big and be bashed for their every move, no matter how much talent they do or don't have.

If someone known to have good matches has a bad one, the bashing begins. Has anyone considered that the person may be sick that day, or have a minor injury, or this and that. They'e not superhuman guys, they're just like us only going out and putting their bodies on the line, yet somehow unless that involves them doing move by move as some people want it, it's wrong. Basiclaly the thread starter is right, but you guys were to eager to attack him than try to soak in what he was saying.

We're not experts, we're fans. Sometimes I think that people forget that. It's fun to discuss wrestling, but a majority of people on each and every forum take the fun out of watching for themselves by actively searching for the bad. Again, a lot of bad exists, but people say thigns like "losing that match makes this guy look bad". Generally, with wrestling, for something to look a certain way isn't factual but about perspective. Someone that is angry that their wrestler lost will complain about how horrible it made them look but for something to look a certain way it has to be viewed that way. The same poster could realize that the loss was disapointing, yet find meaning in the loss. For example if a wrestler is presented as having a great chance of winning, but loses, then is it really that big of a deal? It's made into one, but is it really one? Is the oitcome always really so important that people can't enjoy what makes the outcome happen?

Take a wrester that you dislike but has talent and a wrestler that you love. Say that the match
ends up being being the best match ever, then the guy you dislike wins. Does that suddenly make the match itself bad? Apparently so because people will shit on everything and focus on the outcome and totally forget how enjoyable the rest was. Such a thing may make WWE or whatever company look bad, but not the match itself.

Like I said, people search for the bad and oddly enough most of you just did the same with this thread as you noticed that you felt bashed by the thread starter and completely ignored his point.

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

What we dont like the "Real" wwe fans is that wwe CAN do beter but it doesnt because it doesnt have to, we dont blame the fucking wrestlers (EXCEPT JOHN CENA) we blame the bastard creative team.

In our minds we can, but if actually making it possible, there is no proof that we can. IF there is, then provide it. I've seen a lot of ideas on forums better than what we've seen but if actually executed, who knows? While they do come up with a lot of repetition, creating

WWE creates 156 shows per year now, not including ppvs, and people wonder why there is repetition. Name a live (not animated cause Simpsons is all that's comparable) scripted PRIMETIME US show that creates that many new shows per year without eventually losing creativity and going off the air, or going off the air before it loses creativity? WWE manages to keep on going regardless. I for one am glad about that, even if it's not as good as it was or even as good as it possibly can be.

Even if some ideas from us were implemented and brought about success they'd have to then be topped or people would complain about being let down. It's happened with major things like HIAC which set high standards that couldn't forever be topped and it most certainly would do the same for our ideas.

A Wrestling fan is a wrestler's customer... not every customer will like their work... and no one has a god given right to respect...

Right, not everyone will like their, work, but there's a difference between voicing displeasure for such things and actively searching for it. I can't count the number of times I've seen people post "WWE makes us sit through this crap" as if they're forced to sit through any parts that they don't want to. Comments like that are frequent.

Without a doubt, WWE needs to take responsibility for a lot of mistakes and work to imrpove upon them. However, fans need to take some responsibility as well because how is WWE supposed to know what fans really want when they can't figure it out for themselves. They want people to be champ or whatever so WWE makes them champ or whatever then it's not as they envisioned it so it's wrong.

 

[doublej_TNA]

I Am A Training Wrestler And I Want To Say It's People Like You Who Give Wrestling A Bad Name.

I Am Sick To Death Of Smart Marks Who Think They Know It All, Bad Mouth Wrestler's Gimmicks, Personalities, Politics, It's All The Same To You Guys, No Matter What Happens, No Matter Who Goes Through A Table, No Matter Who Is Injured, Or Whatever, You Guys Always Have To Find Something To Complain About.

If You Think You Can Do Any Better, Why Don't You Do Something About It ?

I Rest My Case, None Of You Guys Have Got The Balls To Even Get In The Ring, So Don't Criticise Their Efforts To Make You Happy. You're Like A Bunch Of Ungreatful Kids.

If You Don't Like What I Say, Go Suck It !

WHO CARES!!
Other athletes put in time training whether its football, baseball, Karate ect.. and so do Actors/Actresses! Sometimes people do not like the product and it gets bad reviews. Wrestling is about entertainment and some stuff is just plain dumb ie(umaga, kane, Abyss) these are so off the wall ******ed gimicks are are not belivible by normal people BUT some find in entertaining!! If you dont like what people are saying about it DONT READ IT IN THE ROOMS.

Now.. Choke on that Slapnuts!

 

[Mickey-B]

I Am A Training Wrestler And I Want To Say It's People Like You Who Give Wrestling A Bad Name.

I Am Sick To Death Of Smart Marks Who Think They Know It All, Bad Mouth Wrestler's Gimmicks, Personalities, Politics, It's All The Same To You Guys, No Matter What Happens, No Matter Who Goes Through A Table, No Matter Who Is Injured, Or Whatever, You Guys Always Have To Find Something To Complain About.

If You Think You Can Do Any Better, Why Don't You Do Something About It ?

I Rest My Case, None Of You Guys Have Got The Balls To Even Get In The Ring, So Don't Criticise Their Efforts To Make You Happy. You're Like A Bunch Of Ungreatful Kids.

If You Don't Like What I Say, Go Suck It !

Then i never want to hear you say you don't like a certain film or song. BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T DO ANY BETTER

 

[ChokeslamToHell]

WWE is selling a product. We are the WWE's customers and when a customer pays for a product and doesn't like it he/she has every right to complain.

ZOMG these people worked so hard to sell you purple ketchup and you have the AUDACITY to not like it!?!?!?!

 

[Cracker5000]

To Biscegliadawrestlingbible,dude calm done. I sorta agree but everyone is entitled to a opinion.

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

Then i never want to hear you say you don't like a certain film or song. BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T DO ANY BETTER

You were never denied the right to an opinion by him. I tried explaining what he meant, while adding some more, but apparently it's too much to read.

 

[zero]

I Am A Training Wrestler And I Want To Say It's People Like You Who Give Wrestling A Bad Name.

I Am Sick To Death Of Smart Marks Who Think They Know It All, Bad Mouth Wrestler's Gimmicks, Personalities, Politics, It's All The Same To You Guys, No Matter What Happens, No Matter Who Goes Through A Table, No Matter Who Is Injured, Or Whatever, You Guys Always Have To Find Something To Complain About.

If You Think You Can Do Any Better, Why Don't You Do Something About It ?

I Rest My Case, None Of You Guys Have Got The Balls To Even Get In The Ring, So Don't Criticise Their Efforts To Make You Happy. You're Like A Bunch Of Ungreatful Kids.

If You Don't Like What I Say, Go Suck It !

Caps Lock is a valuable tool, stop fucking it up.

 

[grungy72]

After taking into consideration, Some peoples including the posters thoughts on this thread, i can now say that after at first disregarding this thread and abusing said poster, That i agree with him.
WE as so called smart marks do always find something and critisize it when it comes to the sport known as professional wrestling, John cena for example is it our faults that he is getting shoved down our throats no, Does he REALLY have no wrestling skills or is that just something that we have been programmed to believe, Remember back to when it all began for john and everyone loveed him cause he was muscular and could wrestle. Fast forward to now and none of us can stand him because he cant wrestle, Did anyone think why it came to that, It is true that we are all programmed like sheep and the iwc is a very unforgiving place, I would probably love john cena if it wasnt for this place, I would probably still love hulk hogan if it wasnt for smart people informing me otherwise.
And i would have thought the Flair Foley match was awesome if i had not known all the ins and outs of wrestling.
Why do we have to critisise everything, Wrestling is not that bad at the moment and i think alot of people have forgotten its about fun, Yes we can still be entertained by good matches, But most of us watch wrestling for a good time for 2 hours a week.
Lets not always show our arrogance by bashing someone who has there own opinions on wrestling. Because it turns out they may be right,

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

^^^

See people, that's what happens when people actually take the time to understand the context of what people are saying instead of jumping to conclusions. It's the same concept with a lot of people watching WWE, forumulating opinins at times about how much things suck (someone losing a match for example) without attempting to consider why it happens, what good can still happen, etc.

 

[Eternal Dragon]

I half agree and half diagree with the originol poster. I agree, that sometimes we might focus too much on every single detail, and complain to much about every single thing and that is wrong. However, it's not like we should never disagree, or not like a match, an angle, etc. Constructive critisicm is a good thing, it's when you just do non-stop complaining that it can be disrespectful.

Flames Out
Dragon

 

[The Chocolate Monkey]

this is normal. like with everything else our doing what we do on these forums is partially bad, because a small amount of people can always shame the extended group their in. This is the case with us so called "Smarks" too however I believe every member of the WWE creative team should be a Smart Mark. A fan first, then someone who trys to innovate and improve what you love so that people will continue to love it.

Also i believe that although the original poster did have a valid point its not neccesarily the smart Marks at fault. Its people who want to be Smart marks but dont back up there own suggestions. For example Smart Marks would be let down by the type of insulting things you may see posted about Cena even if they dislike the WWE superstar John"Dr. of Thuganomics"Cena's character portrail.

 

[lapel8533]

^^^

See people, that's what happens when people actually take the time to understand the context of what people are saying instead of jumping to conclusions. It's the same concept with a lot of people watching WWE, forumulating opinins at times about how much things suck (someone losing a match for example) without attempting to consider why it happens, what good can still happen, etc.

Not for me. I read your entire post, it was great. Not to mention enlightening. I hail you. I meant to post your other quote but now my computers acting funny sorry

 

[lapel8533]

this is normal. like with everything else our doing what we do on these forums is partially bad, because a small amount of people can always shame the extended group their in. This is the case with us so called "Smarks" too however I believe every member of the WWE creative team should be a Smart Mark. A fan first, then someone who trys to innovate and improve what you love so that people will continue to love it.

Also i believe that although the original poster did have a valid point its not neccesarily the smart Marks at fault. Its people who want to be Smart marks but dont back up there own suggestions. For example Smart Marks would be let down by the type of insulting things you may see posted about Cena even if they dislike the WWE superstar John"Dr. of Thuganomics"Cena's character portrail.

Are you trying to minimize the gravity of how DUMB it is to be a smark by calling yourself a smark? Dude, smarks are complete DONKEYS!

 

[to_good_4_ya]

If you find me a wrestling school in Brisbane, Australia I'll sign up tomorrow!

 

[The Chocolate Monkey]

Are you trying to minimize the gravity of how DUMB it is to be a smark by calling yourself a smark? Dude, smarks are complete DONKEYS!

a nicely articulated and fully back-uped arguement you've made. Of course there are Smarks who give people such as yourself the impression you have been given, but they are in my opinion the minority.These people can come accross as derogatory and lacking respect towards wrestlers when they post on them, this can often be because of simple things that even the above post included, inflamitory often insulting remarks made but the posters opinion on why is often not posted. Not only Americans have the right to free speach its just they are the only ones who have it down in writting, infact you can say anything you want about Smart Marks its your personal opinion, call them dumb and donkeys but it just boils down to you being insulting and lacking respect for definate unless you would like to back-up your statement and give examples of how they are dumb and expalin if you mean all Smarks. This is just as it would be for any Smart Mark who said Foley vs Flair was dumb and they were Donkeys without saying what he/she formed this opinion because of, they too would be being kinda disrespectful.