Tommy Dreamer

[Iversen]

So as I'm sure most of you have seen Tommy turned heel last night attacking AJ and they're apparently running some angle with Bully messing with Tommy's head.

What's everyones thoughts on this?

Personally meh kind of sums it up. I'm all for Immortal continuing to expand etc have Bully fucking with people but why use Tommy Dreamer? I have no problem having him work behind the scenes but having him in one of the main storylines just does nothing for me.

Why didn't they give this spot to someone with an actual legit future in the buisness they could still play the family guy being blackmailed into it by Immortal angle with someone else. Nearly anyone can become a loving family guy just by cutting a promo about how they do all this for their family.

 

[Final Form Snyper.]

It seems to be a problem with Wrestling. It always has been. People get shots when there are alot better and more dependable for a good match, not just a bloody, hardcore, tornado of a match. Tommy Dreamer isnt a very good performer outside of his go to match (no rules matches) he isnt dependable (is known as injury prone from his harsh run in ECW with damaged back, knees, etc). I just don't think that is smart business.

 

[Olan]

Isn't this the same s/l they used with Rhino? I realize wrestling redo stories all of the time but this seems sudden even for the wrasslin business.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

Isn't this the same s/l they used with Rhino? I realize wrestling redo stories all of the time but this seems sudden even for the wrasslin business.

Yeah I noticed that too. The minute he hit the piledriver on AJ I was like "Shit, I've seen this before ...".

I don't like this. Not one bit. Look, Dreamer is a loveable guy but for Christ's sake he looks like his actual job is working at a department store. Why is Dreamer on my TV still? I respect the guy for who he used to be, I thank him for busting his ass, but he really has no place in any storyline right now. EV2 was killed by Fourtune. End it there.

I hope this is a short term thing and just a way to write him off TV by having him put someone over. If that's the plan - fine, I'll deal with it somehow.

 

[CarlSinclair]

It seems to be a problem with Wrestling. It always has been. People get shots when there are alot better and more dependable for a good match, not just a bloody, hardcore, tornado of a match. Tommy Dreamer isnt a very good performer outside of his go to match (no rules matches) he isnt dependable (is known as injury prone from his harsh run in ECW with damaged back, knees, etc). I just don't think that is smart business.

I agree with you Dreamer is the wrong guy for this storyline... but I don't agree with the rest of your post.

Dreamer injury prone? Not really... how many injuries have you see him out with for extended periods of time over his entire career? I can't think of many. This is also the guy who was the heart and soul of ECW, Mr Dependability, so much so he got belts because other people WERE not dependable. I think he is the exact opposite of the person you have described really.

However they should have given it to someone much younger, and much more in need of a push and eventual huge face push against Immortal.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I agree with you Dreamer is the wrong guy for this storyline... but I don't agree with the rest of your post.

Dreamer injury prone? Not really... how many injuries have you see him out with for extended periods of time over his entire career? I can't think of many. This is also the guy who was the heart and soul of ECW, Mr Dependability, so much so he got belts because other people WERE not dependable. I think he is the exact opposite of the person you have described really.

However they should have given it to someone much younger, and much more in need of a push and eventual huge face push against Immortal.

I disagree. Nobody should've had this "push". This storyline shouldn't exist. It's unnecessary. Who is Dreamer going to feud with? AJ is feuding with Bully Ray. Beer Money are going up against Hardy and his Mystery Partner, and that by itself will stem into another feud. Daniels is feuding with Gunner (is he?), and the only one left is Kazarian, but he's the X-Division Champ. How is this going to work? I have no idea. Clearly they have something planned so we'll wait and see. TNA never does things without a reason (unless your name is Samoa Joe), so I'll give 'em a few weeks.

 

[Iversen]

I disagree. Nobody should've had this "push". This storyline shouldn't exist. It's unnecessary. Who is Dreamer going to feud with? AJ is feuding with Bully Ray. Beer Money are going up against Hardy and his Mystery Partner, and that by itself will stem into another feud. Daniels is feuding with Gunner (is he?), and the only one left is Kazarian, but he's the X-Division Champ. How is this going to work? I have no idea. Clearly they have something planned so we'll wait and see. TNA never does things without a reason (unless your name is Samoa Joe), so I'll give 'em a few weeks.

I disagree that TNA never does anything without a reason haha. The amount of feuds they start up that then just get forgotten the next week is ridiculous. I'm still waiting to find out who the hell kidnapped Samoa Joe. You'd think the guy might have mentioned what was surely a pretty fucked up experience by now.

I do kind of agree that the story wasn't needed. TNAs already overburdened with storylines. This week we saw nothing of Morgan Steiner and Anderson didn't even appear on the show which was very strange considering he's meant to be one of their top guys. They seem to be trying to do too much at the same time these storylines could all have been spread out over a period of time.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I disagree that TNA never does anything without a reason haha. The amount of feuds they start up that then just get forgotten the next week is ridiculous. I'm still waiting to find out who the hell kidnapped Samoa Joe. You'd think the guy might have mentioned what was surely a pretty fucked up experience by now.

I do kind of agree that the story wasn't needed. TNAs already overburdened with storylines. This week we saw nothing of Morgan Steiner and Anderson didn't even appear on the show which was very strange considering he's meant to be one of their top guys. They seem to be trying to do too much at the same time these storylines could all have been spread out over a period of time.

Name the "ridiculious" amount of storylines TNA has started and forgotten about on the very next week. Are you sure you're not overexaggerating and going with the general flow of TNA complaints? No offense but some people have an odd case of the tourettes here.

"Well, I'm not a big fan of TNA, but as far the roster goes, they have potential, SAMOA JOE WAS KIDNAPPED AND NOTHING HAPPENED, they have talent and - VINCE RUSSO SUCKKKKSKKSSS!!!!!!!1! - they could do big things if the booking was correct. I'd also like to note that - DIXIE DOESN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT WRESTLING - TNA is a smaller company and they need to somehow showcase their stars so they're - HOGAN AND BISCHOFF ARE THERE FOR THE MONEY AND THEIR EGOS ARE HUGE AND THEY SUCK LIKE RUSSO - quickly acknowledged by the public.

... TOMMY DREAMER IS A WWE MOLE!"


All joking aside, as far as having too much storylines - yes. They do need to trim it down a little bit. It's only a two hour show. But then, if they don't have storylines for certain individuals people will complain they're being buried. You can never, ever please a wrestling fan. As far as Anderson not being on TV, he's been on TV for the past 4 months, if not more, he needs some rest from iMPACT and I kind of need a rest from him. I like him, but too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Morgan and Steiner should've had a little TV time, though. The storyline isn't big or anything, but Joe and Crimson had their 30 seconds of fame, wouldn't hurt to have Morgan do something or Steiner try to say something and fail, as always.

 

[SpecialFNK]

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with what everyone else is saying. I think Dreamer is the right one for this. the younger guys don't have the same NEED to do what they have to for their family RIGHT NOW.
if you make it seem like Bully makes one of the younger wrestlers make a decision on being heel and doing what he is told or not doing what he is told and out of job, the younger wrestlers have other options and don't have to agree to what Bully says. Jay Lethal for example. if Bully was to have told Lethal either do what he is told or he is gone, Lethal could easily say see ya because he has other options. what else is Dreamer going to do? go to WWE? doubtful.

 

[AdamDevine]

I liked seeing him Piledrive AJ. I wasn't expecting it. And the fact Bully said about him needing to do it because he has kids and a wife made sense. Sense in the way that he's teaming with the group that runs TNA. It looks though it's not a full fledged heel turn though. Although I would expect him to be given an opportunity to help the faces, act like he is, then turn on them becoming a full heel sometime in the future.

 

[Iversen]

Name the "ridiculious" amount of storylines TNA has started and forgotten about on the very next week. Are you sure you're not overexaggerating and going with the general flow of TNA complaints? No offense but some people have an odd case of the tourettes here.

"Well, I'm not a big fan of TNA, but as far the roster goes, they have potential, SAMOA JOE WAS KIDNAPPED AND NOTHING HAPPENED, they have talent and - VINCE RUSSO SUCKKKKSKKSSS!!!!!!!1! - they could do big things if the booking was correct. I'd also like to note that - DIXIE DOESN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT WRESTLING - TNA is a smaller company and they need to somehow showcase their stars so they're - HOGAN AND BISCHOFF ARE THERE FOR THE MONEY AND THEIR EGOS ARE HUGE AND THEY SUCK LIKE RUSSO - quickly acknowledged by the public.

... TOMMY DREAMER IS A WWE MOLE!"


All joking aside, as far as having too much storylines - yes. They do need to trim it down a little bit. It's only a two hour show. But then, if they don't have storylines for certain individuals people will complain they're being buried. You can never, ever please a wrestling fan. As far as Anderson not being on TV, he's been on TV for the past 4 months, if not more, he needs some rest from iMPACT and I kind of need a rest from him. I like him, but too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Morgan and Steiner should've had a little TV time, though. The storyline isn't big or anything, but Joe and Crimson had their 30 seconds of fame, wouldn't hurt to have Morgan do something or Steiner try to say something and fail, as always.

Since Hogan and Bischoff came to TNA we have the already mentioned Joe thing. We have around the time Abyss was going mental Hogan and Bischoff supposedly going to meet someone in a car when they were forced to turn around. Never found out who that was to the best of my knowledge.

The amount of folk who randomly came in at the start of their run and then just vanished without any mention of them again. Val Venis comes to mind. Wasn't he doing a film or something? Here one week gone the next add that to other talent like the Nasty Boys etc etc. (Not saying getting rid of the Nasty Boys wasn't a stupidly good thing to do because I think it was.)

Currently the Immortal titles = power storyline seems to have been ditched or at least I haven't heard it mentioned and if it is they don't exactly seem to be making a huge deal out of getting their hands on them. When did Kaz last defend his title?

If you require some more examples feel free to ask again. I know a lot of these things probably have backstage issues etc changes of direction but 99% of them would take two seconds to explain on TV. The titles = power thing you could have forgotten by Hogan coming out and saying that Immortal will hold all the titles but thats not their no. one goal at the moment. Right now they are going head to head with the Network to gain full control of their company. Would take 30 seconds and there the stories put on the back burner and can be reignited a few months down the line.

Anderson maybe has been on TV alot but if the guys being primed to be a top player he should be! You don't take out your top guy for a week in case people get bored of him if he's your top guy people shouldn't be getting bored of him and if they are find yourself a new top guy.

 

[rondiesel2005]

I think this is what happen in the creative team meetings, " What are we going to do with Tommy Dreamer, wait i know lets Turn him heel because we don't know what else we going to do with him since he sitting around backstage waiting for us to give him something to do"

That's the way i see it and like others say just like what happen to Rhino but he didn't go anywhere with the storyline, he was release from the company. I bet TNA going to come up with a crazy idea of why Tommy Dreamer turn heel. I mean i don't get why use a guy who they haven't really use properly and just put him in matches that he doesn't need to be involve in if he not going to feud with them

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Tommy's "heel turn" wasn't a heel turn. It was him making a decision based on the circumstances surrounding his financial future, much like Michaels was written to do in WWE while "working" for JBL years back. Eventually he'll turn face again and aid Fortune/AJ/whoever in getting one over on Bully Ray. It's fine. Minute detail in a major story. Really nothing to get worked up over.

 

[UnBEARaBULLfan]

I think Tommy Dreamer is just getting used by Bully Ray for a one time thing and this wont amount to much, Dreamer will get screwed by Ray and wont have anyone to turn to since he screwed AJ and will be so dissapointed in himself he will just go away.

 

[marker]

IMO Dreamer should be on tv anymore. He has nothing to offer. He is just boring to watch.

 

[AntiChristDeicide]

IMO Dreamer should be on tv anymore. He has nothing to offer. He is just boring to watch.

Dreamer could be a manager, thats not so bad is it? On to the topic, yeah it remided me of what they (TNA) did with Rhino, but this time it could be more interesting so lets wait and see before saying its bad.

 

[Brian in Austin]

I disagree that TNA never does anything without a reason haha. The amount of feuds they start up that then just get forgotten the next week is ridiculous. I'm still waiting to find out who the hell kidnapped Samoa Joe. You'd think the guy might have mentioned what was surely a pretty fucked up experience by now.

I do kind of agree that the story wasn't needed. TNAs already overburdened with storylines. This week we saw nothing of Morgan Steiner and Anderson didn't even appear on the show which was very strange considering he's meant to be one of their top guys. They seem to be trying to do too much at the same time these storylines could all have been spread out over a period of time.

I think this just goes to show you that TNA is listening to the IWC. They start pushing some of the other guys, albeit haphazardly. Your point about the kidnapping of SJ is a great point. It's been forgotten about as they continue to struggle to figure out where his character, and physical build fits into their big picture goals. I also agree with you about the storylines. Far too many things going on and it just seems like the throw the spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks.

 

[Iversen]

Name the "ridiculious" amount of storylines TNA has started and forgotten about on the very next week. Are you sure you're not overexaggerating and going with the general flow of TNA complaints? No offense but some people have an odd case of the tourettes here.

"Well, I'm not a big fan of TNA, but as far the roster goes, they have potential, SAMOA JOE WAS KIDNAPPED AND NOTHING HAPPENED, they have talent and - VINCE RUSSO SUCKKKKSKKSSS!!!!!!!1! - they could do big things if the booking was correct. I'd also like to note that - DIXIE DOESN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT WRESTLING - TNA is a smaller company and they need to somehow showcase their stars so they're - HOGAN AND BISCHOFF ARE THERE FOR THE MONEY AND THEIR EGOS ARE HUGE AND THEY SUCK LIKE RUSSO - quickly acknowledged by the public.

... TOMMY DREAMER IS A WWE MOLE!"


All joking aside, as far as having too much storylines - yes. They do need to trim it down a little bit. It's only a two hour show. But then, if they don't have storylines for certain individuals people will complain they're being buried. You can never, ever please a wrestling fan. As far as Anderson not being on TV, he's been on TV for the past 4 months, if not more, he needs some rest from iMPACT and I kind of need a rest from him. I like him, but too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Morgan and Steiner should've had a little TV time, though. The storyline isn't big or anything, but Joe and Crimson had their 30 seconds of fame, wouldn't hurt to have Morgan do something or Steiner try to say something and fail, as always.

Another example which just came to me right now actually because I hadn't noticed it earlier was Shannon Moore... Now obviously this is only one week so I could be wrong but it looks like his heel turn or whatever was happening has suddenly been forgotten as they've decided to jump on the patriotism thats floating around right now by having Ink Inc feud with Mexican America... As I say I could be wrong and next week he could be heading back down the path but it seemed like it was being forgotten this week.

 

[Brian in Austin]

So as I'm sure most of you have seen Tommy turned heel last night attacking AJ and they're apparently running some angle with Bully messing with Tommy's head.

What's everyones thoughts on this?

Personally meh kind of sums it up. I'm all for Immortal continuing to expand etc have Bully fucking with people but why use Tommy Dreamer? I have no problem having him work behind the scenes but having him in one of the main storylines just does nothing for me.

Why didn't they give this spot to someone with an actual legit future in the buisness they could still play the family guy being blackmailed into it by Immortal angle with someone else. Nearly anyone can become a loving family guy just by cutting a promo about how they do all this for their family.

If memory serves, when Tommy retired from WWE he spoke about the need to spend more time with his family. Yet, it didn't take long for him to show up on TNA programming did it? So much for family. Look, clearly he needs the money or he wouldn't be doing this. His body is too broken for him to wrestle a quality match anymore, so he gets carried thru most of the matches he gets involved in these days. TNA did its tribute to ECW, regardless of how ill-informed it was of them to do so, but so be it. That should have Dreamers' swan song, but again, he must need the money. Sadly, most of these guys are ill-equipped to do anything after wrestling, so I'm sure the fear of "what happens now" causes a lot of the decisions we see getting made by guys like him, Sabu, Stevie Richards, Raven, etc.

That said, now we have Tommy turning reluctantly it would appear, against AJ and company. Obviously he's going to do the bidding of Bully Ray. This could become an interesting storyline if played out long enough and in the right way. I suspect it won't last nearly long enough as that seems to be the MO for TNA production value.

I'd like to see where this leads as I feel like TNA has been improving their storylines although I'd like to see more time put into them. The slow burn I believe works much more effectively than the quick hit storylines do. It seems like, though I could be wrong, that TNA spends far more time on the quick hit storylines versus the slow burn alternative. I look back to the Jericho v. Michaels storyline in WWE and felt like that story was told in the proper way. And if you read the comments from Jericho, he felt that the slow burn method was the best way to tell that story and that he and Michaels were very proud of that story. The same with Michaels v. Undertaker WM matches. Those stories were told over a length of time that kept people engaged. Yes, we all knew that The Undertaker would win both matches, but the way the stories were told were very compelling.

I hope that TNA goes this direction as time goes by as I believe it will improve the production quality of their show and hence draw more viewers.

 

[Brian in Austin]

Another example which just came to me right now actually because I hadn't noticed it earlier was Shannon Moore... Now obviously this is only one week so I could be wrong but it looks like his heel turn or whatever was happening has suddenly been forgotten as they've decided to jump on the patriotism thats floating around right now by having Ink Inc feud with Mexican America... As I say I could be wrong and next week he could be heading back down the path but it seemed like it was being forgotten this week.

If it's true that TNA is capitalizing on the feeling across America today, then I'm not sure it's a good idea. You can do this type of storyline anytime. They should have kept going the direction they were with Ink Inc instead of once again abandoning their original idea so quickly in favor of the 'quick hit' storyline. Had they kept going with the Shannon Moore heel turn v. Jesse Neal, it could have catapulted at least one, if not both of them. Personally I'd like to see Neal get a push as I believe he's come out of his shell over time and has the personality to become a bigger player in the game.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

After calling this a "heel turn" in a few other threads, I've been scolded by our resident TNA fans. For the record, it wasn't a heel turn. I have no idea what the actual classification is, and I suppose I don't care.

Whatever this was, I'm not excited. Each and every time I feel we are rid of Tommy Dreamer, he comes back like a case of the crabs (not that I would know, personally). I have no idea why they keep making him a focal point of the show. I cannot figure it out. He can't wrestle anymore, and he was never a big deal to start with. He adds absolutely nothing to the show.

Bubba vs. A.J. was fine, one on one. Why the addition of Dreamer? Why must TNA complicate each and every storyline? Why must they add this kind of shit? It makes no sense. Whatever. It's going to happen, regardless of my feelings, so I suppose having the fastforward option on my DVR is worth the cash spent