TNA Not Having a Mid-Card title "stunting their growth?"

[ExtremeSwagga93]

Recently, as I was browsing through the TNA section I noticed that there were a lot of topics as to which wrestlers TNA should hire, some were bad ideas, others not so bad ideas. However, one consistentcy I noticed as to why TNA shouldn't hire certain wrestlers is because they won't fit in in the company. TNA really only has three division for wrestlers to fit in on, and if they don't they're kinda lost:

Heavyweight
X-Division
Tag Team

There are a lot of negatives I could bring out with TNA not having a mid-card title, the main one for this topic is the fact that it is stunting it's growth so to speak. Now keep in mind, I'm not saying TNA isn't growing, in fact it's becoming a big wrestling organization. Nor am I saying a Mid-card title will make TNA the biggest wrestling promotion out there. However, we're not seeing anything new here when it comes to the faces of the company. Aside from Joe and Styles, the main eventers are the same faces we've seem for the last ten or more years. But once again that's not really the point of this subject, there are other topics to argue that in.

However with that said, a mid-card title is essential in my opinion to developing new main event talent. For example lets take Hernandez. He is being primed to be the next TNA world champion some time in the future. He won the World title breifcase in the feast or fired match and cashed it in against Sting. Now, I'm all for it, but how can anyone take a guy seriously who is just jumping from being a tag team specialist to singles world champion without getting any type of singles build up and test him with a mid-card title?

Next I know for a fact some people are gonna mention that it devalues the X-Division. Alright, that is a good point. But how many guys in the X-Division right now, can you see as future world champions, or as a better question, how many current X-Division stars can you see TNA actually giving a main event push? None really. A mid-card title could actually help TNA keep "unwanted" guys out of the X-Division. I can't speak for everyone, but I myself would much rather see guys like Eric Young and Sheik Abdul Bashir battle for a TV title and have Chris Sabin, Alex Shelley, Jay Lethal, and guys like that battle in the X-Division.

Plus guys like Abyss, Rhyno, Matt Morgan, and guys like that won't be flooding the main event scene every-so often and can have a title to fight over on a more consistent basis. Plus it will allow TNA to hire a wider scope of new talent that don't have to be in the X-Division or Tag tag team division to get noticed, which in the long run will benefit the TNA product.

Those were just a few points, I'd really like to see TV title or a mid-card title in TNA somewhere down the line.

Discuss.

 

[kaihorro]

I was thinkin of starting a thread like this but i couldn't find the right words to say, you've managed to do it absolutely correct haha

There are alot of good points as you mentioned i dont see eric young and bashir as x-division style wrestlers where as people like shelley, sabin, homicide, lethal n creed fit it to a tee

I dont see the likes of abyss, matt morgan, brutus magnus, shane sewell, james storm, robert roode or even rhyno for that matter ever having a singles title that he needs before they push them into the main event n world title picture (or pushing them again in abyss n rhynos cases)

I think they need to retire the legends title and bring in a new title like maybe a tv, us, or ic title equivalent

They've definitly got enough talent to have a healthy amount of competition in a new division for a new title

 

[Mark0820]

The difference between the WWE tag titles and TNA's tag titles are the tag title holders are typically guys that are pushed. Like take the Dudley's. They recently beat the crap out of the Main Event Mafia there. The tag teams there are actually important to the show. That's how the fans there can accept Hernandez as a singles main eventer as well.

 

[klunderbunker]

TNA doesn't need another title. They already have more titles than either brand in WWE does at the moment. If they want to make a mid card title, use the Legends Title. Now if you want to shift the Legends or X title over to become an open weight midcard title then that would certainly work. I wouldn't say that it's hurting them to not have one though. A lot of those guys that they could sign aren't being signed because they're not needed. TNA's problem right now is their roster is too big. There's not enough room to get everyone on tv every week. Either use some of the guys more or cut them. Right now a midcard title would help that, but it's not hurting them to not have one.

 

[ExtremeSwagga93]

If they want to make a mid card title, use the Legends Title.

Using the Legends title as a mid-card title doesn't make any sense to me. The point I'm trying to make is TNA needs a stepping stone title for up and coming Heavyweights. Giving a new guy the Legends title hardly sounds right especially if they are a new name. In my opinion the Legends title is for guys who have already established themselves, not for guys who are looking to build a name for themselves. I say nix the Legends title and replace it with something that will do TNA more good a Mid-card title.

There's not enough room to get everyone on tv every week.

Not true, TNA has a two hour program, that's enough time to do a lot of things if used right. TNA however would rather show a hundred non-wrestling segments and feature a few short wrestling matches, than actually focus on the wrestling.

 

[Reverend Truth]

I agree that TNA needs a midcard title. Whatever they would want to name it....TV Title, Universal Title, National Title, North American Title. When I first learned about the X-Division Title, I sort of viewed that like a cruiserweight title. I know I can't consider it that now with guys like hernandez and such in those types of matches. And, actually, I don't even like the X-Division Title. I could care less about it. But, I do admit that I like seeing the belt around Alex Shelley. It works for him.
I agree that a midcard title would help "establish" our possible future TNA Champions and give our "other" guys something more to do.

 

[Spjadoe05]

Not really sure if i am missing something but the x-division title is the midcard title. When TNA first debuted there were basically three groups of wrestlers. main event, tag team, and midcard/lower/jobbers. the title was never meant to be a cruiserweight type title. as a matter of fact they shoved down our throats that the title "isn't about weight limits, it's about no limits". this title was/is the midcard title. TNAs direction has changed alot. most of the new people TNA sign just so happen to be big name main event people so with that they come in and automatically get thrown into the main event.

 

[Joup7]

TNA doesn't need another title. They already have more titles than either brand in WWE does at the moment.

That's true, they have more titles than either brand in WWE does. However, there are non-stop complaints about how WWE has no Mid-Card. Everybody's a main eventer, a jobber, or a select few survive in between. Also, WWE has three brands to push people on, and ECW is it's mid-card almost in itself. TNA has 1 show so it needs it's titles to all be on one show.

 

[ExtremeSwagga93]

Not really sure if i am missing something but the x-division title is the midcard title

You're right, however it was a mid-card title. Since TNA's inception the X-Division has seemed to loose a lot of stock. It's helped kick-start the careers of a few guys in the beginning of TNA, but now it has kinda been relegated to a more respectable Cruiserweight division. Although we're witnessing a bit of a rebirth with the X-Division with Shelley as champ, I don't think we'll ever go back to the glory days of the X-Division.

At first it was a Mid-card type title, it helped boost the careers of AJ Styles and Samoa Joe who are both former TNA/NWA champs. Even those that never won a world title like Christopher Daniels, Senshi, Jay Lethal, even Petey Williams are/were respectable mid-carders/upper midcarders from the push they got in the X-Division.

However despite the fact that "it not about weight limits, it's about no limits" stuff that TNA feeds us, the type of style that is the X-Division, can really only be pulled off by smaller more agile guys. Which is why I think a TV title will help younger guys who don't have the X-Division style, still get noticed and have the oppertunity to hold a championship.

 

[salomon1080s]

They should use the x division title as a mid card title. Pretty much all that TNA needs to do is have Rhyno, roode, or even eric young win x division title and all of sudden it becomes a mid card title. As long as everyone can compete for the belt and they actually let a non cruiserweight win the title it will just work itself out. As long as they allow their cruiserweights aren't turned into jobbers and still are competitive for the belt will actually support their "no limits" statement. It will give purpose to the TNA mid carders

 

[mike_mccool69]

to go along with the style of TNA, bring in one called The Impact Championship. Those who win it would be trying to make an impact.
Since Booker T just created it for himself to go along with the MEM/Frontline program, someone in The Frontline (looking at Styles or Rhyno) could create a title called the Impact Title and Booker could get pissed about it, leading to a unification match between the two titles (whoever wins has their title become the midcard title).

 

[Barbedwire Ropes]

I think that a mid-card title would help the mid-card of TNA but there is 3 big problems presented with this idea.

A) They would then lower the status of guys like AJ Styles, Rhyno...ect and keep them
in the mid-card range for life, always gunning for that title.

B)Guys like LAX, Kaz and Christopher Daniels would never get a real main event push.

and this biggest problem of all....

C)They would most likely call it the "MID-CARD CHAMPIONSHIP"

 

[chrisbrown0621]

I Agree Tna Does Not Need Any More Titles They Already Have Two Mid Card Titles The X Divison And The Legends Belt They Work Fine As Mid Card Titles And People Like Aj Styles And Rhino And Soma Joe Are High Mid Card Wrestlers At The Very Most They Are Not Real Main Eventers They Are Just Jobbers That Tna Used Because They Had No One Else If They Was To Go To Wwe (aj Styles And Rhino Have Already Been) They Would Not Get A 2nd Look Once Tna Started Signing Real Stars Like Angel, Booker T And Sting Look Were They Are Now On The Back Burner Were They Should Be

 

[Father:_Polley]

How many times does this type of thread need to be created?

I'll state the point i've made in EVERY incarnation of this thread... namely how does the fact that TNA doesn't have a designated 'mid-card' built hurt it.

Look at the list of titles they have... count with me

1. TNA Championship
2. Legends Title
3. X-Division
4. Tag Title
5. Knockouts

That's five belts in a two hour show. Now factor in the non title feuds and now, point out exactly where a 6th belt would fit in.

No, TNA's problem is not lack of belts. They actually need to, you know, use the ones they have. X-division title's open weight limit - perfect for a midcard belt. Legends belt renamed - perfect for a midcard belt.

So, in conclusion, another tedious belt isn't needed... proper use of what they have is a better plan

 

[waylon p]

i never liked the "no limits" spiel. i like the x-division title as a lightweight title.
whether they meant it or not, that's what it has become, and i'm fine with that. as for the idea that tna has too many titles compared to wwe, i think that tna is far too much in the mold of wwe to begin with, so i'm not hearing those kinds of arguments.

others on this thread have covered all the reasons i think a t.v. or north american title is a good idea, i won't retread them.

what i will say is that they need a women's tag title as well. it will give the beautiful people something to do. maybe get the new chick, madison rayne to join up with them so there is always a manager to help them cheat. i'd love to see those three run with the titles for a long time, screwjob upon screwjob to keep the straps.

plus, it will give any lady who is not in the knockout world title picture something to do.

 

[Rome]

They do have a mid-card title – it's called the X-Division. Guys like Joe, AJ, and Kaz all ran courses in it, and three of those four are legitimate bodies capable of running in the top-card. It's not a size factor as much as it is size of character factor.

Problem is, the X-Division has been decimated by poor booking. Daniels, Kaz, and Low Ki have been replaced essentially by Suicide (seriously, a video game character?!), Bashir (run his course already), and Shane Sewell (a referee – seriously?).

You want a legitimate mid-card again? Re-instate Christopher Daniels, bury Suicide, push Kazarian hard when he's back from his injury/surgery, and ditch the wrestling ref.

I'd also take a long hard look at bringing in a guy like Kenny Doane (Dykstra), or Austin Aeries (again).

 

[Ballin247]

They already have a mid-card title, its called the Legends Championship. It is their mid-card title now. I actually like the name. Its something different. It sounds a lot better than calling it the TV title. lol. That was by far the worst name ever for a title. I hated that belt in WCW and ECW and thought that it was fucking useless. It was even worse than the European title. It just sounds like a shit title. TNA was just trying to come up with an original name that wouldn't immediately make the title seem worthless. ROH has a mid-card title called the Pure Championship right? In a few years the title will be accepted more but it takes time to establish a title. Name a title that just popped up out of nowhere and was respected. The WHC is WWE was respected because it was basically the old WCW title and the same with the U.S. title and ECW title.

 

[hardballx]

A midcard title would surely be better than the lame idea for a "Legends title". Who came up with that idea anyways? Is the Legends title supposed to have more prestige than the world title since it's only "Legends" wrestling for it? What gives.

 

[Sparky]

Now I think your just trying to find excuses on why TNA sucks. Do you really think that having another title would make TNA break through, to be strong enough to compete with the WWE?.

I think that Even if they did have another belt on TNA, it wouldn't help them in one bit. It would just be a reason for two randoms to fight it out, as I doubt it would have great fueds or anything.