Thoughts on the Beautiful People 2.0

[Renzino]

This is a discussion thread for the Beautiful People 2.0: Velvet Sky, Madison Rayne and Lacey Von Erich.

OK here we go.

I think it might be a good time to end the Beautiful People. Because I just don't see the point of them going on like this.

They are never made to look like legit threats to any of the other Knockouts and their backstage skits (well the backstage mud wrestling ones was actually funny) have been pretty bad.

It's like TNA creative just decided to make the group a complete joke.

I don't really hate Lacey Von Erich but she really hasn't added anything or helped the group at all. She has the look but she just seems to be very clueless and from what I have read doesn't want to get any better.

But I know she's not going anywhere since Dixie Carter and Hulk Hogan are supporters of hers.

Madison Rayne who I'm starting like and I think she has talent. But for the longest time she didn't have any personality and you could tell she wasn't comfortable doing the BP gimmick.

I read that TNA officials are high on her and think she has a good future. I could see Madison maybe breaking off eventually and turning face which she would probably be better off doing.

As for Velvet Sky I will admit she may not be the greatest in ring talent but I think she is better then what TNA allows her to show. She is very charismitic and good on the mic. She can also play face or heel pretty well and of course she is very attractive.

I know Angelina is the better worker and was the driving force behind the BP but Velvet did her part too. Velvet has to play the more girly girl member of the group and I think she does and has done it well.

I would love for Velvet to break out as a singles star but from what I read TNA officials do not have any confidence in her so I don't think she will ever be pushed as a singles star which is sad.

Honestly I'm kind of concerned for Velvet's future in the company. Even though she is popular and has a following TNA doesn't seem to want to make her anything more then what she is now.

Though they don't have the chemistry that Velvet had with Angelina I think Velvet and Madison work well together as a team. Whereas Lacey just doesn't seem to have any chemistry with Velvet and Madison at all.

So in closing if Angelina Love isn't going to rejoin the group as the leader and if they are just going to be used the way they have been for the last few months then TNA should just seriously end the Beautiful People once and for all.

Your thoughts?

 

[Trill Co$by]

Why get rid of them? Just have TNA bring back the cages and let TBP dance in them like they did when they ran out of the Asylum at the Nashville Fairgrounds.

I'm not being sarcastic either. TNA can use them as their equivalent to the Nitro Girls.

 

[El AlcoHALLic]

I hope they let Velvet and Madison show their skills against Angelina in this feud.

Madison is set to wrestle Taylor Wilde at an Indy show down here in Phoenix next month and I'm pretty excited about it. I've watched Madisons matches on youtube and she can go. She's got talent.

I do agree with you about Lacey, she should be restricted to a manager role unless she really wants to learn her craft as a wrestler.

As far as a face turn for Velvet, wouldn't it be pretty sweet if midway through the feud with Angelina the Beautiful People turn on Velvet and accept Angelina back into the fold as their leader?

I think that there's a holding pattern going on in TNA as far as "TNA Originals" are concerned. It kinda sucks because The Beautiful People are a major part of TNA's recent success and they should be capitalized on (Just like many of the other TNA stars)

I went to the Fan Interaction at Bound For Glory this Year and they had a line that was larger then any other wrestler in their session and on top of that their line for autographs rivaled that of AJ Styles, Angle and Sting. They're pretty over.

 

[SuperKnockout]

I think that TBP are pointless right now. The only thing I see them doing is maybe Have Velvet and LAcey face kong and hamada. Otherwise, they can just manager somebody I guess. IDK but they dont have that many other options now that Angelina left them.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Since Angelina Love left the group, and TNA itself due to issues with her work visa, the Beautiful People have lost a lot of steam. Her replacement, Lacey Von Erich, has simply not been up to par. She's extremely hot, that's true, but she doesn't really know anything about wrestling at all. She can't really do anything, not even a simple power move like a chokeslam without botching it.

Now, the BP have amped up the sexy aspect of their group, primarily seen with their entrance. However, TNA has also very much amped up the airheaded bimbo factor in the group as well. While they were never portrayed as rocket scientists exactly with Love was with the group, they're currently at a point where they've been dumbed down to where they can barely string a sentence together.

The Beautiful People used to be a relevant force in the Knockout Division, but now they're little more than jobbers really. Over the past several months, they've jobbed to Sarita & Taylor Wilde on numerous occassions and during any singles matches I've seen any of them compete in.

However, all three of them are extremely hot and are still among the biggest draws in TNA right now. As long as they continue to pull in good numbers for their segments, I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[El AlcoHALLic]

Yeah. They have jobbed alot since Angelina left. I'm glad she's back and they can rack up some wins again and hopefully *fingers crossed* have a good solid compelling feud because really, there's no excuse not to have one. All of the elements are in place and ready to go for great wrestling television. They would be foolish not to go through with it.

Time will tell.

 

[BigRed007]

They all are terrible wrestlers and should stick to doing what they do best and that's shake their butts when they enter the ring

 

[Greenlight13]

I think their days as a meaningful group of wrestlers are done, but they will always have a presence and I'd like to see a compelling argument for not showing them on camera once per show, I mean come on... sex sells.

Angelina was always the one that made them believable as wrestlers and it seemed the Knockout Tag Titles were invented for them. She wasn't quite as girly girl but she is definitely hot and could talk the talk even if you didn't quite believe she meant it.

I've seen Madison wrestle as Ashley Lane and I've got to see she was more than competent then so I'm a bit puzzled as to why she seems very botchy, even by female standards (sorry but it's true). They work as a tag team but the only other tag teams in the Knockout division are Taylor and Sarita and Kong and Hamada and there's no way they'd beat either unless they cheated severely. They're not strong enough to wrestle solo but whenever they are tagged up they lose too, so it's a little pointless.

Lacey brings nothing but looks to the table so it just adds weight to the idea of having them just be pretty stuck up bitches throwing petty insults but nothing else. They were that before but also won some matches.

 

[NSL]

I'm not a fan. The whole point of the Knockout Division, was to prove that they were not Divas, and were more than just eye candy. With Angelina and Velvet (and later, Madison), the group was a serious threat to the KO Title, and they had the tag belt created for them. Now they're reduced to segments aimed at teen boys who don't want anything more than their tits on screen.

Sure, it's fun to watch for a minute or two, but I'd much rather see them go at it in the ring.

 

[Super Crazy]

I'm not a fan. The whole point of the Knockout Division, was to prove that they were not Divas, and were more than just eye candy. With Angelina and Velvet (and later, Madison), the group was a serious threat to the KO Title, and they had the tag belt created for them. Now they're reduced to segments aimed at teen boys who don't want anything more than their tits on screen.

Sure, it's fun to watch for a minute or two, but I'd much rather see them go at it in the ring.

I completely agree with this. The original Beautiful People stable was great. They were not only eye candy, but they could put on decent matches, and were actual threats to the rest of the division. Ever since Angelina had to leave and Lacey came in, they have become nothing but a joke. Hopefully with Angelina back on the television, we either get to see at least her have some good matches/feuds again, or get to see The Beautiful People revamped again, a.k.a Angelina back in and Lacey gone.

You know to be honest, and I don't mean to sound like a dick, or to shit on Lacey, but this totally going to come off that way. If she had never set foot in the ring, and just played the role of valet/manager , it would have worked so much better for them. But once she set foot in the ring, it all became a joke.

 

[Doubleo13]

i am not really a fan of the Beautiful People 2.0, they serve no purpose any more they are more eye candy then anything. and it also hurts the Knockouts division, i swear when i turn into impact and see the BP i think i am watching the divas or something. it was better when Love sky and Madison was the original Beautiful People, they where a threat atlest.

 

[Harrison101]

Personally I think the whole existence of The Beautiful People 2 has been pointless. They've achieved very little as a unit and as solo wrestlers since Lacey Von Erich came in. Her spots to begin with were awful (Kissing Refs, I mean, wth?), and I just think TNA were turning them into Divas with 1% more Wrestling ability.

Tis quite a shame because I believe that Madison Rayne is actually a rather good wrestler, and Velvet Sky is rather good on the mic. I also think TNA somewhat dropped the ball with Angelina Love coming back as a babyface. They could have looked stronger again if she came back as a heel.

Meh, who knows, maybe they'll split them up soon.

 

[maar130]

I pretty much agree with most of you, TBP 2.0 has been pointless and reduced to jobber state and Lacey haven't added anything, she is hot, though.

Now with Angelina back on TNA well they shoudl turn it with Velvet as the real leader, because most than anything that is what they lack off and that is what Angelina was, a leader.

If Velvet (according to the storyline) replaced Angelina then she should be the leader (It would be good if Lacey were because she replaced Angelina but she needs to wrestle, whic not her strong point now) and make Lacey prove herself abou being "wrestling Royalty", put her on a match with Kong, that sure would make her want to learn.

 

[wrestling fan 666]

We all seem to be in agreement on this one. TBP 2.0 has been a joke since it was formed. Unlike all you Madison Rayne fans, I still think she sucks...sorry, but when she was "auditioning" to be one of the BP, she couldn't hack it. So Angelina is forced to leave and all of a sudden, Madison is worthy?

I see a short "feud" with Velvet and Angelina escalating into a tag match on Impact. In this match, right when they're about to really get somewhere, both Velvet and Angelina turn on their tag partners and reform TBP. At least that's what I'd like to see.

As far as Lacey, sorry, but go back to the Indy circuit, you need training. If not, just leave quietly. I've said it before and I'll say it again: unless she gets trained properly, she's going to end up seriously hurting someone in the ring. She's careless and untrained to be performing in the ring with the pros.

 

[wazaveli]

Dude as long as I see them on TV, I can sleep comfortably every week lol. The three of them are simply WOW. But without Angelina who for the life of me I dont understand why WWE would let her go, has gone, they aren't the same. They used to be that heel group in the knockouts division that would jump everyone and when Angelina was Knockouts champ, they were killing it.

I don't want them to disband, I want Angelina to just join and lead them again. I won't complain having 4 hot woman come down that ramp

 

[krispix]

I think the only positive thing that came out of the second version of TBP is that Madison Rayne really seemed to come into her own, character-wise.

While Angelina was still with TBP, Madison appeared incredibly uncomfortable and didn't convince me that she belonged with Velvet and Angelina. She lacked the confidence and attitude that screamed Mi Pi Sexy, almost as if she were too sweet.

When Angelina left TNA, it became clear that Madison was the stronger ring worker of the two remaining Beautiful People, and her charisma finally shone through.

Well, that, and practically everyone seems amazing when compared to Lacey Von Erich. Poor girl.

 

[Dagger Dias]

The Beautiful People should NOT end as a stable because they are still over and have a lot of potentially great feuds left that they could do.

Yes, the original version with Angelina in it was far superior.... but they are the most over group among the Knockouts. The segments they do are still great. Velvet and Madison can still put on decent matches with Lacey acting as a manager until she improves (which might be never, but that's a topic for another thread).... I really enjoy all the segments they do, with or without Angelina.

Angelina's return and face turn left the door wide open for a potentially huge Knockouts feud involving her facing her former allies. You guys can't possibly tell me that you don't want to see Angelina feuding with Velvet, Madison, and Lacey? I sure would. I've been eagerly waiting for it ever since Lacey took Angelina's place. TNA would be making a huge mistake if they ended the stable and that is why I disagree with the original poster's suggestion of ending The Beautiful People.

 

[Renzino]

Personally I think the whole existence of The Beautiful People 2 has been pointless. They've achieved very little as a unit and as solo wrestlers since Lacey Von Erich came in. Her spots to begin with were awful (Kissing Refs, I mean, wth?), and I just think TNA were turning them into Divas with 1% more Wrestling ability.

I agree with you on that. It's like TNA uses the BP these days as a shot at the WWE Divas.

The only reason I even put up with this version of the BP is because of Velvet Sky. Because to me Velvet truly is the stand out member and she has done the best she could do to hold this version together in Angelina's absense.

To Dagger Dias:

I am also looking forward to a Angelina / BP feud (well mainly Angelina vs Velvet) but my problem is that it will probably be very one sided feud since they haven't bothered trying to give the BP any kind of credibility in the last few months.

If this version continues I guess it be OK but they really should have brought in someone other then Lacey to fill in for Angelina because she just doesn't bring anything to the group IMO.

It's just frustrating seeing a group like the Beautiful People that was once a force in the Knockouts division reduced to being a comedy act.

 

[Nicole13Edge/HardyFan]

The Beautiful People used to be arguablly the best womans tag team stable of all time. It was great when it was just Velvet Sky and Angelina Love were the only two in the group it was even great when they added Madison Rayne.

What killed this group was when Angelina got fired because her Visa expired. Then they add Lacey Von Erich to the group and she is supposed to be a leader? Adding Lacey just made the group horrible because the girls that were originally in it could wrestle and had good mic skills and were very interesting the original girls being Velvet and Angelina even Madison.

So yes the Beautiful People should break-up I was hoping that when Angelina came back that she would rejoin the group but it looks like that isn't going to happen. So they should break up because they aren't entertaning like they used to be. Also Velvet has a lot of potential and being in that group is holding her back so it would be great for the team to break up for good unless Angelina rejoins and they kick Lacey out.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

When Love got kicked out and replaced by Madison Rayne, I was happy that the group, from that particular point, would still be able to maintain a legitimate threat. I mean, Madison seemed to have the better lock going for her and has some great wrestling skills to boot. She has also got some tag team experience under her belt with the indy's, so putting her right into the BP is a natural fit. Basically, Madison was the best choice TNA could put to replace Love.

When they brought in Lacey von Erich, I was a little hyped until she interfered and attacked SariTaylor. At that point, I just wished for Lacey this was the only time she was ever going to wrestle and become a manager. She hasn't done a bad job in playing the character and accompanying the girls to the ring, but wrestling proved to be her weakness. TNA should have kept her on the outside of the ring at all times with the Beauty Stick and she could have influenced the match decisions.

But it was not to be, they changed the group from a dominant force to a strip tease. As NSL said, it did provide for some eye candy on the television, but these girls were made to be different and show they actually can wrestle. They could have easily made them serious and legit wrestlers, whilst using their taunts/entrances/etc. as eye candy moments. TNA really missed the ball with this one in trying to make Lacey something she clearly isn't and down-grading one of your top heels. Who have we got now in the heels department? Alissa Flash, but where has she been? Hamada and ODB are now tweener type characters who still get cheers, and Kong is... well, it's Kong.

 

[Dagger Dias]

First of all.... this is post number 1,000 for me!

Ok, now for my actual response.

To Dagger Dias:

I am also looking forward to a Angelina / BP feud (well mainly Angelina vs Velvet) but my problem is that it will probably be very one sided feud since they haven't bothered trying to give the BP any kind of credibility in the last few months.

If this version continues I guess it be OK but they really should have brought in someone other then Lacey to fill in for Angelina because she just doesn't bring anything to the group IMO.

It's just frustrating seeing a group like the Beautiful People that was once a force in the Knockouts division reduced to being a comedy act.

I think the reason that an Angelina/BP feud might seem be one-sided comes down to the same reason for why the BP haven't been given much credibility lately. It's because Angelina was the best member of the group and when she was gone some people might have thought Velvet or Madison wouldn't be good enough to fill her shoes, so they brought Lacey in as the 3rd member and kept the stable living up to its name of "The Beautiful People" which is part of why they are doing more segments rather than matches.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Angelina wins the feud against them with the booking making her look far stronger, because she was the most talented member of the stable to begin with. I'm looking forward to the feud either way.

 

[Renzino]

I think the reason that an Angelina/BP feud might seem be one-sided comes down to the same reason for why the BP haven't been given much credibility lately. It's because Angelina was the best member of the group and when she was gone some people might have thought Velvet or Madison wouldn't be good enough to fill her shoes, so they brought Lacey in as the 3rd member and kept the stable living up to its name of "The Beautiful People" which is part of why they are doing more segments rather than matches.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Angelina wins the feud against them with the booking making her look far stronger, because she was the most talented member of the stable to begin with. I'm looking forward to the feud either way.

I don't deny that Angelina Love is / was the most talented member of the BP. That is a fact, however there is no excuse for TNA to make Velvet Sky and Madison Rayne look as weak as they do on a regular basis.

As for what you said about Lacey that's the point I was trying to make with this thread. If TNA knew she isn't good and was going to reduce them to segments and make them a complete joke as a heel faction then what was the point of keeping the BP going?

 

[Mitch Henessey]

I want to see The Beautiful People end. Ever since Angelina hasn't been in this stable, it has been horrible. The BFP use to be a threat of sorts when it came to the Knockouts tag titles, and with Angelina, the women's championship. Now, they keep doing all these backstage segments that remind me of the same stuff WWE used to so with the divas before they went PG.

 

[maar130]

I don't deny that Angelina Love is / was the most talented member of the BP. That is a fact, however there is no excuse for TNA to make Velvet Sky and Madison Rayne look as weak as they do on a regular basis.

As for what you said about Lacey that's the point I was trying to make with this thread. If TNA knew she isn't good and was going to reduce them to segments and make them a complete joke as a heel faction then what was the point of keeping the BP going?

Well I know it is no excuse, but the have always looked weak, even when Angelina was around, when Tara and Angelina were feuding, when Kong and Angelina wre feuding, Tara and Kong destroyed all members to get to Angelina, he only day that Velvet stand out was when she told Angelina to back her up or the BP was over and Angelina lost the title to Tara. But outside of that, Velvet and Madison since the beginning has less individual victories than the fingers on my hand.

And as far as Lacey goes, I think that first they got her because of her name, second, because on the indy circuit she hasn't have matches that have been really terrible and since she is so young I think that they tough she was willing to learn offering a schedule less demanding than that one of the WWE.

Unfortunately she has not, but maybe their hope is that with Angelina around she would be more willing to learn at some point, she has yet to compete in a sigles match, tough.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I don't deny that Angelina Love is / was the most talented member of the BP. That is a fact, however there is no excuse for TNA to make Velvet Sky and Madison Rayne look as weak as they do on a regular basis.

You're right, honestly. Velvet and Madison should have still been made to look strong in the matches during the time Angelina was gone. I'm definitely not arguing against that one. Luckily, I think that tonight TNA did a decent job of making all of the girls look strong in the booking (except Lacey of course lol) but with Angelina coming off as a bit stronger. It was hopefully a sign of more good matches/segments to come between the 4 of them in the future.

As for what you said about Lacey that's the point I was trying to make with this thread. If TNA knew she isn't good and was going to reduce them to segments and make them a complete joke as a heel faction then what was the point of keeping the BP going?

Perhaps TNA thought that Lacey would be willing to train more and improve enough to earn her spot in the stable. Maybe they thought she'd want to get better because of living up to her legacy as a Von Erich.... That doesn't seem to have happened, but I still enjoyed the BP even though they weren't nearly as good as they were when Angelina was still around. Stables are usually going to be less entertaining without their leader, it's very rare for the opposite to happen. TNA probably kept it going because segments like what the BP have done lately are good at catching the attention of a casual viewer who will think "hey, they're hot! I should watch this a little longer".... a little controversial, but it works.

Not arguing that the BP went downhill without their leader, nor do I agree with the lack of better booking for Madison and Velvet last semester.... but I do agree with TNA keeping the group together because the segments have still been entertaining, plus now that Angelina's back a really awesome feud has begun and I can't wait to see what happens next.