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[Hurt2k1]

From what I can gather, Brad Maddox was told to make sure Orton won cause it was best for business. He tried to stop Bryan winning by sending out the Big Show, believing Show would be an obedient puppet. Big Show did his job by punching Bryan, but then had seconds thoughts and punched Orton.

It's not so much confusing as it is piss poorly executed.

You are right confusing was the wrong word for it, and yes this has become a clusterf*ck and who is the storyline really written for to get over Bryan, Orton, Show is it HHH power trip?

 

[klunderbunker]

I don't the main event was as good as it should have been, and I don't just mean the ending. It didn't have much of a flow to it, and the crowd seemed to drift in and out.

That's because the crowd only cares about Bryan when he's doing the YES point. That and these two have reached their peak of match quality about two months ago.

 

[Big Sexy]

But it's still a performance in a kayfabe context, and the wrestlers are performing in a kayfabe context. You don't think it's disrespectful to the wrestlers if the crowd is chanting intentionally non-kayfabe chants?

No I don't. Did you find it disrespectful when CM Punk had his "pipe bomb" promo? If kayfabe was that important then shoot promos (even though they are partly scripted) would be disrespectful to the fans.

Okay, you missed my point. People can have their opinions of what makes a good match. My point is that fans aren't willing to give a performer a chance, they're going to chant "you can't wrestle" regardless. Just like they did to Cena against Michaels, Punk and Bryan at the start of the matches. All of which turned out to be great matches.

If guys like John Cena don't care when people chant that stuff then why should you?

 

[MCMG]

After the last two PPV's they should do the right thing and have a 6-man Hell in a Cell for the WWE title. That is what is best for business.

 

[Coco]

That's because the crowd only cares about Bryan when he's doing the YES point.

I'd say the crowd cares about Bryan when he's involved in something worth caring about. And being stuck in a holding pattern with Randy fucking Orton is the death of that interest.

 

[Coco]

After the last two PPV's they should do the right thing and have a 6-man Hell in a Cell for the WWE title. That is what is best for business.

a) WWE's too stupid to book a six-way feud properly.

b) There aren't six interesting challengers at this point.

c) Why?

 

[Blade]

No I don't. Did you find it disrespectful when CM Punk had his "pipe bomb" promo? If kayfabe mattered anymore then shoot promos (even though they are partly scripted) would be disrespectful to the fans.

There's an excellent thread somewhere in the WWE section that Sam (I think?) posted, talking about how Punk's promo wasn't actually a shoot. You should check it out.

If guys like John Cena don't care when people chant that stuff then why should you?

I'm sure the millions of fans, millions of dollars and hot girlfriend kind of softens the blow for John Cena. I just think it's showing a disrespect to performers that work their asses off, and it bugs me because it's part of what's wrong with modern wrestling fans that negatively affects wrestling and makes it less enjoyable for some of us.

Wasn't it Jim Cornette or someone who said fans complain that they're not given any new stars, but when they are given new stars, they ruin it by chanting "Goldberg" at Ryback or "Husky Harris" at Bray Wyatt instead of giving the new stars a chance.

And then there was Raven who said that it bugs him when fans cheer heels because it makes them feel like they're not doing their job well enough. Roughly paraphrased: 'If you think I'm a good heel, boo me. Cheering me doesn't help me.'

So smarky attitudes clearly do bother some people in the industry.

With that said, you're not going to change your mind, so let's call it a draw, shall we?

Good debatin' ya.

a) WWE's too stupid to book a six-way feud properly.

b) There aren't six interesting challengers at this point.

c) Why?

Because bringing back ideas from the Attitude Era saves all newer angles that aren't going well. BECAUSE ATTITUDE ERA, COCO.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Seriously though, did anybody think this was going to be anything more than a cash grab?

 

[Alastor]

I think Bryan/Orton killed off alot of the fan's momentum with what they did. Bryan seem to only has one speed to get fans going and that is full throttle.

A few times during the match they had the fans chanting or cheering but DB ended it with a rush to the end of the moveset. I guess they need to find a sequence that don't include yes chants that end with a sudden pop. The Yes chants are starting to become like the what chant of wrestling move. Killing the momentum of a decent sequence.

 

[Big Sexy]

There's an excellent thread somewhere in the WWE section that Sam (I think?) posted, talking about how Punk's promo wasn't actually a shoot. You should check it out.

There's no such thing as a true shoot promo. Every "shoot" is either partly scripted or fully scripted but they all break kayfabe. Regardless of if Punk's was fully scripted or just partly scripted it certainly broke kayfabe. There's also plenty of other semi-shoots from other superstars that do the same. So if fans doing it is disrespectful to the performers then wouldn't performers doing it be disrespectful to the fans?

I'm sure the millions of fans, millions of dollars and hot girlfriend kind of softens the blow for John Cena. I just think it's showing a disrespect to performers that work their asses off, and it bugs me because it's part of what's wrong with modern wrestling fans that negatively affects wrestling and makes it less enjoyable for some of us.

Wasn't it Jim Cornette or someone who said fans complain that they're not given any new stars, but when they are given new stars, they ruin it by chanting "Goldberg" at Ryback or "Husky Harris" at Bray Wyatt instead of giving the new stars a chance.

And then there was Raven who said that it bugs him when fans cheer heels because it makes them feel like they're not doing their job well enough. Roughly paraphrased: 'If you think I'm a good heel, boo me. Cheering me doesn't help me.

Modern wrestling can never and will never be like it used to. Superstars twitter accounts break kayfabe, there's wrestling reality shows (Tough Enough, Total Divas), gone are the days that heels exclusively get booed and faces exclusively get cheered. Again, I'll take a smarky crowd over a dead crowd any day.

 

[Galvatron]

Just read the results and I'm glad I didn't order that. I'll watch the Hell in a Cell ppv and hopefully WWE decides to actually crown a champion at that show.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

Knew it was going to be a B-PPV, not annoyed by the ending at all, I like it even because it progresses the storyline. Overall the PPV exceeded my expectations from an entertainment standpoint so I'm happy. Must say The Rhodes winning was one of the best moments of the year in all of wrestling, anywhere, WWE get kudos for that.

 

[Big Sexy]

And yes the ppv was fucking awful. The Rhodes/Shield match was awesome and Bryan/Orton was good minus the finish. Other then that nothing you can't find on an episode of RAW.

 

[Stinger]

I figured this PPV would suck, but I figured there'd be a little more conclusive ending. I figured that, ya know, a referee would at least ring the bell to signal the end of the contest instead of just ending the show with the Big Show celebrating (or whatever he was doing).

David Atler from Fan 590 in Toronto was saying that the fans in attendance were chanting "Bullshit" and "Refund" afterwards.

 

[Slash-LN]

I figured this PPV would suck, but I figured there'd be a little more conclusive ending. I figured that, ya know, a referee would at least ring the bell to signal the end of the contest instead of just ending the show with the Big Show celebrating (or whatever he was doing).

The two referees that were on the ground knocked out? Or would you have liked them to have a third referee come down just to call for the end of the match?

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Havent been able to post this yet, since ive had a..uh....big...last ten or so days. Anyhow...


WWE PPV firsts for NorCal, brought to you by WWE Battleground

1. Woudnt have even considered purchasing it if I had the chance to

2. Matter of fact, had I been in America, I wouldnt have even watched it. Couldve found smething better to do. Like paint a fence, or dunk my head in boiling water.

3. Fast forwarded the majority of a PPV show. As in, 85%.

4. Fast forwarded to the last two minutes of a PPV main event title match....and did so, because I had supreme confidence there would be some type of chickenshit finish. And was proven right.

5. Ryback, what the fuck is a "bowlie" ? BULL - EE

What a fucking AWESOME six man tag match though. From the pre match promo, to the match itself, to the epic cross rhodes finish, that was everything pro wrestling should be.