The True "Best In The World"

[radec]

We have 2 people that call them selfs the best in the world

chis jericho and cm punk.

Now jericho was a record breaking 9 time IC champ
6 time world champion and first ever undisputed champion.

While CM PUNK was a 4 time world champion and back to back MITB winner.

Both ring work are pretty good and versitile and there both golden on the mic. There both great heels but jericho was a more solid face.


If you had to pick only 1 true best in the world then who would it be out of these 2? chris jericho or CM punk? and why.

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[TheChristmasCreature]

CM Punk is on fire right now but, IMO, has really not yet cemented himself as a big timer like Jericho has.

So, between Jericho & Punk and at this point in their careers, I would have to go with Jericho.

 

[gers09]

Take nothing away from CM Punk he is great and right now the best in WWE and has a bright future in wrestling but as for the true best in the world it is Jericho. He has proved him self as a better heel face and top star and IMO he got better as he got older his last run in wwe he was at the top of his game and as for on the mike not many better (only the rock can beat him)

 

[sTyLnK]

Technically Jericho isn't wrestling so right now at this very present, CM Punk is the best. When Jericho gets back he will be the best so the WWE will have to stop selling his t-shirts that say 'Best in the World'. haha.

 

[DMac84]

Shawn Michaels is the best in the world.

But of the 2, Jericho or Punk... its gotta be Jericho.

While Punk is currently on fire, and technically Jericho does not wrestle anymore.

But Jericho is so good every match. He makes horrible wrestlers look good, every time. Even if he loses a Match, he still looks good. That, and he beat The Rock and Austin, in the same night, for the first ever Undisputed Championship.

Jericho is the best in the world and I hope he comes back sooner than later.

But I am super high on Punk right now, and cant wait to see how his story continues. Punk was the best think to happen to Cena and their match at MITB was the best since Taker/HBK 1 @ WM25.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Considering Bryan Danielson had the moniker of "best in the world" before either of them, and people actually chanted that when he wrestled, I'd say him.

I'd love to see a Jericho/Punk feud though.

Punk is like that angry kid at hot topic who bitches about "the man...man" and how much "mainstream music sucks" and wears indy rock shirts and claims any band on a major record label is a sellout (the character he is now is what I'm trying to say). Jericho can be the easy going smartass who makes fun of him.

I think it'd be awesome. Jericho as a smartass babyface, Punk as he is now. Epic promos, epic matches.

 

[TKO236]

In ring I'd have to give the edge the Chris Jericho he can consistently adapt to whatever opponents style and pull out a great match same can be said for punk but on a lesser extent. As far as mic skills go I'd have to say they're tied both have great delivery and tone during their promos so I'd would seem atleast to me Chris Jericho is the "Best in the World"

 

[nwogiant33]

Chris Jericho is the choice.

But, I have to say this as well.

I like CM Punk on the mic, his look, and he's an awesome heel, but am I the only one that thinks he's slightly overrated as a wrestler? I think that his finisher is the worst I've seen for a main eventer since Hulk Hogan's leg drop. It's just so anti-climactic. He's good at what he does, but I believe he's a decent wrestler at best.

 

[Twanfusco]

It's difficult because there's no right answer since its down to personal opinion and interpretation...but thats what forums are for, right? Personally i'd say neither as hbk could probably come back and out perform both in the ring and carry an excellent storyline to go with it. Since, however you're going on both of these two thinking they're the best and you want to know who is better, i'd have to say Jericho, but then again he's been on my TV a lot longer so has the advantage. Punk is on fire just now and IMO has similar hype to Orton just last year, except that Punk is on the mic more so his character has a better chance to evolve into something new and fresh, unlike orton, who kinda fizzled out once the entire crowd began cheering for him.

With punk, it will be okay if the kids start cheering him just because daddy is because he has the skills on the mic and talent in the ring that hopefully, if the aim is a face reaction, he'll get that due to the respect he deserves for his talent (we all know it's cool to boo faces these days for the sake of it...).

As for Jericho, nobody does the sore loser whingy-ness like Jericho, unfortunately for him there's 2 guys already on that path, The Miz and R-Truth. So if Jericho returned, Punk would get my vote. Never count the Ayatollah out though!

 

[Heathen1990]

Chris Jericho is the choice.

But, I have to say this as well.

I like CM Punk on the mic, his look, and he's an awesome heel, but am I the only one that thinks he's slightly overrated as a wrestler? I think that his finisher is the worst I've seen for a main eventer since Hulk Hogan's leg drop. It's just so anti-climactic. He's good at what he does, but I believe he's a decent wrestler at best.

Well then apparently you havent seen the inventor of the GTS use this move, KENTA. Hmm interesting question, I am going to go with Chris Jericho on this one. Constantly shows why he is the best, in every match he is in.

 

[PlayTheGameHHH]

Right now, it's CM Punk. Jericho isn't even wrestling at the moment and no one even knows if he'll step into a wrestling ring ever again so, for that reason alone, I'm going with Punk.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

There is no "Best In the World."

To state claim to the label is near impossible, as you have to take all the talent which performs on the independant scene, Japan and Mexico into consideration. Once you've done this you're left in a position where you could pick from a whole host of names. CM Punk and Chris Jericho are both up there, you'd have Prince Devitt from Japan, alongside Hiroshi Tanahashi, Ryusuke Taguchi, Kenta Kobashi and others.

Sin Cara/Mistico would have been highly rated for the label too, but after his WWE run and the way he failed to mesh with the style of wrestling he'd probably be left off most peoples lists. Then you've to look at the independant scene, examples would be Davey Richards, Eddie Edwards and Claudio Castagnoli - soon to be a WWE Superstar.

To say that there is one single, "Best in The World" would be degrading to some, but the name is something which not many agree to hold. CM Punk has shown "balls" to actually use it as a slogan or a nickname, whichever he's doing, probably both and right now he may be correct. CM Punk may currently be the "Best in The World."

And when compared to Chris Jericho he's obviously better - because Jericho hasn't wrestled now in over a year.

 

[vampireblade]

l... o... l...

I am speechless at the ridiculousness of this statement

hes not wrong Miz_Mark why do you think nobody has yet to correct him for many years people where chanting best in the world at bryan danielson

as for myself id chose DBD if i could but ill chose to stay on topic im going with right now CM Punk the guy is red hot right now and he has the world talking about wwe again in the mainstream media and thats what vince wanted all along yes jericho is good in ring and on the mic probably one of the best in the world but seeing as he hasnt done what hes supposed to be best at for over a year im giving it to Punk

 

[Pedigree1]

I say Y2J is the best!! Punk right now is on fire hes so hot hes white fire!! Jericho is what a 9 time IC champ 6 time wwe champ couple of tag team titles to his resume!! Punk 4 time Champ back to back MITB winner Jericho has had the bigger career of the two but if punk can keep going in the direction he is I say Punk in the future will have the bigger career!! Punk is indeed the best in the world right now but if Y2J comes back i say him

 

[navyveteran]

Everyone speaks about them in present day, most notably, pointing out the fact that Jericho is not currently wrestling. But it seems that the OP could have been easily referring to Jericho in his prime. The man who accomplished all of those titles. But your best bet is to list them side by side by their credentials.

Most championships: Jericho
Biggest Impact: toss up... Jericho won the first Undisputed Title but Punk has made wrestling relevant again.
Mic Skills: Jericho... he could talk trash with the best of them. Punk just says what's on his mind... though well spoken.

So in the world of wrestling and all things that matter. Jericho would win my vote... but it would be a "dream match".

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

l... o... l...

I am speechless at the ridiculousness of this statement

l... o... l...
You DO realize people actually started chanting "best in the world" for Bryan Danielson in 2004 BEFORE he even used it as a moniker. As in, the people he wrestled in front of gave him the nickname. Sure the commentators and everyone helped push it along. However, from about 2004-the end of his ROH career they chanted that for him. He made Nigel McGuinness and Roderick Strong stars. Had classic matches with KENTA (all caps coz that's how it's spelled, not that I expect you to know who it is) and pretty much everyone else he wrestled.

 

[Miz_Mark]

It is patently absurd to consider Bryan Danielson to be the best in the world. Certainly he is very, very good in the ring, but there are many people just as good as he is in the ring, and in every other facet of being a professional wrestler, he is abysmal. His look is atrocious, his mic skills are god awful, his charisma is nonexistent.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

It is patently absurd to consider Bryan Danielson to be the best in the world. Certainly he is very, very good in the ring, but there are many people just as good as he is in the ring, and in every other facet of being a professional wrestler, he is abysmal. His look is atrocious, his mic skills are god awful, his charisma is nonexistent.

I think you're trying to work us. You're a "Miz mark" and you basically sound like Cole.

Here's the deal dude. A pro wrestler works his audience. Thus, some guys are better in other promotions than others. Danielson has what I call "small arena charisma" in that his stuff is very detailed and when everyone is in close, he sucks you in and everyone is marking out.

This is why in ROH, from 2004-2009 he WAS at least in the discussion for Best in the World. When I look at "best in the world" I don't look at guys directly. That's absurd considering how different audiences throughout the world are. I instead look at how well they work their specific audience. No one in the world works their audience better than Danielson worked the ROH audience.

In the WWE, Miz is actually better than Danielson because in the WWE, Miz knows how to work the audience better. In ROH, Danielson destroys everyone.

It sounds crazy to people who can't think outside the box, but it's really the most objective way to look at it.

Right now, honest to god, the best at their job, that being "getting over" is John Cena. 100% of the audience cares greatly one way or another. His heat isn't "X-Pac heat" and for fuck's sake let's not get into this.

You can't say "well so and so is a 9/10 mic skills, so and so is 8/10 in ring, so and so is..." you have to just look at it simply as "who works their audience better than anyone else?"

 

[oneleggedman]

I have to say Danielson is very good in the ring, but yeah, he isnt 'the Best in the World'anymore. Id say Davey Richards is just as good in the ring, Eddy Edwards is close too. Susumu Yokosuka is brilliant, and his recent matches suggest he could indeed be, 'the Best in the World'.

It seems as if you are the one here working people. I mean, before people called Brian Danielson 'the best in the world' there was Ric Flair or Chris Benoit for example. Its completely subjective and to be honest, it does not matter.

CM Punk is doing more with the 'Best in the World' moniker than Danielson has done or will ever do. And its caught on because in some senses, it is true. He is in the process of making 'Wrestling Matter' again by being exceptional in the ring, electrifying on the microphone, connecting with the fans like no-one else in recent memory and working everyone in the process.

So, if your jaded because Danielson isn't setting the wrestling world alight like Punk and take offence to him using aforementioned title, why dont you stop harking back to 2004 and start thinking about what makes you the Best in the World in 2011.

And by the way, Cena DOES have X-Pac heat. Period. You cant make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I have to say Danielson is very good in the ring, but yeah, he isnt 'the Best in the World'anymore. Id say Davey Richards is just as good in the ring, Eddy Edwards is close too. Susumu Yokosuka is brilliant, and his recent matches suggest he could indeed be, 'the Best in the World'.

It seems as if you are the one here working people. I mean, before people called Brian Danielson 'the best in the world' there was Ric Flair or Chris Benoit for example. Its completely subjective and to be honest, it does not matter.

CM Punk is doing more with the 'Best in the World' moniker than Danielson has done or will ever do. And its caught on because in some senses, it is true. He is in the process of making 'Wrestling Matter' again by being exceptional in the ring, electrifying on the microphone, connecting with the fans like no-one else in recent memory and working everyone in the process.

So, if your jaded because Danielson isn't setting the wrestling world alight like Punk and take offence to him using aforementioned title, why dont you stop harking back to 2004 and start thinking about what makes you the Best in the World in 2011.

And by the way, Cena DOES have X-Pac heat. Period. You cant make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

how the hell is Punk doing more with it than danielson is or ever did do? Danielson rode it for 5 fucking years.

You think Richards is as good? lol he doesn't sell a fucking thing, EDWARDS?? Chris Hero has been the best guy on the ROH roster since Danielson left. Ever wonder why guys like Danielson, Punk, Hero, and Kendrick get signed by the WWE and guys like Shelley, Aries, and Richards won't? It's not some conspiracy or some bullshit answer like "TEH WWE DUZN'T LIKE TEH REAL WRESTLING" it's because Shelley, Aries, and Richards DON'T SELL and don't tell stories in the ring unless led by a guy like Hero, Danielson, Punk, or Kendrick.

no, he isn't fucking getting X Pac heat dipshit or else people wouldn't make any fucking noise, his quarter hour segment ratings wouldn't fucking be high and he wouldn't sell a shitload of merch.

Are you that much of a moves mark that after Samoa Joe, Terry Funk, Harley Race, Ric Flair, Bryan Alvarez, and Dave Meltzer say that Cena is really fuckin good that you can't admit it?

lol Punk is "setting the wrestling world on fire" huh? Yea, that's why cena still outpops him? You're a spot mark and an indy mark aren't you?

I'm not jaded, I don't think Danielson is the best in the world right now, I even said Miz is better in the WWE. Also, I'm not going back to 2004. It was FROM 2004 TO 2009.

My point wasn't even that Danielson was the best, but that he worked that gimmick well and that I don't think either Punk or Jericho is the best in the world because that's too subjective to say "well Punk is 8/10 in ring and 10/10 on the mic". that's stupid. Neither guy is as over as Cena.

No shit it's subjective. Before Flair, Harley Race called himself "the greatest wrestler on God's green earth". I was actually the most subjective. Cena gets 100% of the audience to care and you're a ****** if you think it's X-Pac heat.

If it's X-Pac heat, then explain all the things I said before. If the boos truly are X-Pac heat, but he still outdraws everyone else in the world, then that segment that boos him is much MUUUUUCH smaller than you think it is to the point that they don't matter.

Stop being a fan and look at it from the outside. I have no Punk merchandise (well, some shoot interviews and ROH DVDs), I have no Cena merchandise (not even DVDs), I DO have a signed Danielson picture from his last ROH show, but like I said, I don't think he's the best in the world.

 

[Miz_Mark]

I think you're trying to work us. You're a "Miz mark" and you basically sound like Cole.

Here's the deal dude. A pro wrestler works his audience. Thus, some guys are better in other promotions than others. Danielson has what I call "small arena charisma" in that his stuff is very detailed and when everyone is in close, he sucks you in and everyone is marking out.

This is why in ROH, from 2004-2009 he WAS at least in the discussion for Best in the World. When I look at "best in the world" I don't look at guys directly. That's absurd considering how different audiences throughout the world are. I instead look at how well they work their specific audience. No one in the world works their audience better than Danielson worked the ROH audience.

In the WWE, Miz is actually better than Danielson because in the WWE, Miz knows how to work the audience better. In ROH, Danielson destroys everyone.

It sounds crazy to people who can't think outside the box, but it's really the most objective way to look at it.

Right now, honest to god, the best at their job, that being "getting over" is John Cena. 100% of the audience cares greatly one way or another. His heat isn't "X-Pac heat" and for fuck's sake let's not get into this.

You can't say "well so and so is a 9/10 mic skills, so and so is 8/10 in ring, so and so is..." you have to just look at it simply as "who works their audience better than anyone else?"

So... your argument is that someone who appeals to a very small subset of the professional wrestling audience but appeals to that particular audience very strongly is in consideration for best in the world? In that case, I'd like to declare myself the best in the world, because when I put on matches for my nephew, he absolutely loves them more than anything else...

It's best in the WORLD, not best in ROH, or best in front of small crowds of indie fans who obsess over workrate above all else... Like it or not, WWE represents the pinnacle of the industry. They have the lion's share of the business owned, and if you can't be more than mediocre on that stage, you can't be in contention for the title of best in the world. Bryan Danielson does not have what it takes to make it in the big leagues, and he damn sure is not a contender for best in the world. Let him leave WWE, go back to ROH, and battle for the title of king of the indies and I'll support that quest. Best in the world, absolutely not.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Saying ROH is the third biggest company is like saying something is the third biggest political party in America... Maybe true, but basically meaningless. Hell, we're not even in the world of 2 viable promotions any longer. Face it, with the destruction of WCW, WWE became for all intents and purposes the only show in town. Which sucks, I wish TNA could become more viable, and it would be great to see more companies grow and get real exposure, but it's not the world we live in. Being a great indie worker just does not equate to being one of the best in the world, I'm sorry, but it doesn't.


And let me just say on a personal, totally subjective note, I cannot stand Bryan Danielson. Every time he appears on my TV, I reach for the fast forward button. LOATHE him.

ROH isn't tiny but it isn't huge. Im saying nobody worked their audience better than he did. Even if the audience isn't as big, ROH is still very visible. I said he has to be in the discussion. Danielson was totally different than another indy guy. He was a guy that all over the world, in every major wrestling publication, was considered one of the best in the world. That's not something Davey Richards gets, that's not something any Japanese wrestler not of the big 4 in the 90s has gotten. Jesus, get off the Danielson subject, I used it as an example.

right now John Cena is the best in the world at being a pro wrestler because a pro wrestler's job is to get a reaction. If you're a businessman and your company makes the most money, even if you didn't do it as extravagantly as Donald trump, you're STILL a better businessman.

 

[billtyrrell23]

I truly think that CM Punk really is the best in the world, I mean being avid follower of cm punk from his ROH days, and the epic matches that he was in there...Jericho is legend of this business, and nobody will ever take that away from him...But I think Punk is just a little better than Jericho...I think the only way to truly solve this...Is an epic 90 minute iron match between the two...And hey WWE, I think that now with HHH in charge, would be a perfect time to allow punk to do the pepsi plunge again...

 

[PagingMr.ass]

I would say that at the moment CM Punks career is hotter than anyone else's in the buisnes. I would also go as far as to say he is the most well rounded at the moment, and nobody else can currently be defined as a more complete package. However, when it comes referring strictly to in-riing work and being being the best "wrestler" in the world, I think that title can only be put on one of two people, Daniel Bryan or AJ Styles. When we're talking about being the most technically sound these two men surpass CM Punk, they can both do a lot of things that Punk cant. That being said when you factor everything else in to what it takes to be a sports entertainer CM Punk takes it. so in conclusion, Best Sports Entertainer-CM Punk. Best Wrestler-Styles/Bryan toss up.

 

[TheLoneCharles]

I vote for Punk. The only times Jericho was interesting IMO was around the time he debuted in WWF/E (2000-2001) and during his feud with HBK in 2008. There is just something about watching Jericho wrestle that bores me to tears.

As for Punk, he seems to be pretty entertaining no matter what he does.