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Yeah, good all around. A decent starter for the Marlins, and Ozzie's presence can hopefully keep him in check a bit. Meanwhile the Cubs shed even more weight as they prepare to rebuild. Good stuff, good stuff.

Honestly I wish Zambrano luck. I hope he does well. Even if he wins 20 games I'm happy he's gone. It was just time for him and the Cubs to go their separate ways.
 
The Steelers Running Backs coach apparently was seriously burned in a house fire. Hope he can recover really quick.

He's not making the trip this week, which is probably a bad idea, since the healing powers of Tim Tebow do not stretch from Denver to Pittsburgh.
 
The Steelers Running Backs coach apparently was seriously burned in a house fire. Hope he can recover really quick.

He's not making the trip this week, which is probably a bad idea, since the healing powers of Tim Tebow do not stretch from Denver to Pittsburgh.

Maybe he should hope that the Steelers end up playing the Patriots in the Divisional round then...I hear Tom Brady's healing powers are superior to Tebow's. Something to do with being God's nephew.
 
Megatron and Big Sexy... you motherfuckers ready?

Man, I am so pumped/nervous for tonight's game. Fuck, it cannot come soon enough. I really wish it was the afternoon game.
 
I know this isn't the 'fan' thing to say, but I am already more then pleased with how the Lions season has went and wouldn't be incredibly angry if they were bounced tonight. Does that mean I want them to lose? No. I'll still be pissed if they lose no matter what because you never know if you'll get back to the playoffs, but they have a strong nucleus and should be consistent threats for years (hopefully). Everything now is gravy. Of course I want a Super Bowl and they actually have a chance this year, but from where they were to where they are has been a great ride. If they play their game and don't fuck up with dumb penalties I think it'll be down to the wire.

I wish you good luck, JMT, as I won't be here for the game. Should the Saints win I hope they take it in the NFC.

And Barry Sanders' kid just ran for a TD in the Army All American game. Stanford's lucky they got him.
 
It's crazy that Barry Sanders kid is about to start playing college football. Especially when I still think Barry could rush for 1,000 yards in the NFL at age 43. Barry is by far the most exciting player I have ever seen play. Even if it was just for a few years when I was a little kid.
 
Saw an interview with Barry a couple of weeks ago, says that his son is actually faster than he was at that age. If this kid is even half as talented as #20, I would love to see the Lions draft him in 3-4 years...as it is, I will be paying attention to him. Barry Sanders is easily my favorite athlete of all time.
 
Thank you Jacksonville, thank you
Yeah, they hired Mike Mularkey. That was a stupid move. Guy was a meh OC and a bad Head Coach.


On another note, it looks like the New York Jets are hiring Tony Sparano to be the Offensive Coordinator. I don't care if it's him, Hue Jackson, Hugh Jackman, or anyone. It's not Schottenheimer.
 
I hated the Mularkey hire at first, but I don't hate it as much now. He really improved the Falcons' offense in his time there, so I hope he's going to do the same thing here. I'm not jumping up and down about the hire, but I'm also not pacing around my house cursing like I was earlier either.
 
The Jets have a lot more problems on offense then Brian Schottenheimer.

Mike Mularkey is a decent hire. He has always done a good job as an O Coordinator (discounting the year in Miami which wasn't really his fault) and while his first head coaching job didn't go that well, he was only there for two years and went 9-7 in his first season. In fact his 9-7 season is the only year Buffalo has gone over .500 since 1999. The Jags could have done better but they also could have done worse.
 
The Jets have a lot more problems on offense then Brian Schottenheimer.
Like a Right Tackle. Yeah, that's gonna be addressed in the Draft or Free Agency.

Whether you like the QB or not, you can't sell on him after one sub-par year, and 2 good ones. Give him a new coordinator and a chance.

Oh, and the whole Peyton Manning garbage is just that, garbage. Jets shouldn't, and likely couldn't go after him. There's no guarantee he is ever gonna play again, or be close to what he was in Indianapolis, especially with a new team.

Mike Mularkey is a decent hire. He has always done a good job as an O Coordinator (discounting the year in Miami which wasn't really his fault)
You mean the Falcons Offense that couldn't do shit last week, scoring 0 points on a team that couldn't beat the Seahawks?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/MulaMi0.htm

And Mike Mularkeys offensive ranks starting with Buffalo thanks to ProFootballReference.com:
2004: 25th in overall yards, 7th in points, 18th in giveaways (lower number = less givaways); 24th in Rush yards/Attempts; 23rd in Net pass Yards/Attempts
2005: 28th in overall yards, 24th in points, 13th in giveaways; 23rd in rush yards/Attempts; 29th in Net pass Yards/Attempts
2006: you want to ignore his Miami career, so we will. Lets just say it wasn't good.
2007: you want to ignore his Miami career, so we will. Lets just say it wasn't good.
2008: 6th in overall Yards, 10th in points, 8th in giveaways; 9th in rush yards/attempt, 3rd in new pass yards/attempts
2009: 16th in overall yards, 13th in points, 12th in giveaways; 18th in rush yards/attempt, 17th in Net pass yards/attempt
2010: 16th in overall yards, 5th in points, 3rd in giveaways; 26th rush yards/attempt, 26th pass yards/attempt
2011: 10th in overall yards, 7th in points, 7th in giveaways, 21st in rush yards/attempt, 13th in net pass yards/attempt

and while his first head coaching job didn't go that well, he was only there for two years and went 9-7 in his first season. In fact his 9-7 season is the only year Buffalo has gone over .500 since 1999.
Buffalo went 9-7 thanks to a defense that was 2nd in yards allowed, 8th in points, 1st in takeaways, 17th in Rush attempts to go with 7th in Rush Yards allowed, 2nd in Rush TDs allowed, 3rd in rush yards/attempts, 7th in pass attempts, 3rd in pass yards, 2nd in Interceptions.

That D was built by Greg Williams, who was fired in the offseason.

The Jags could have done better but they also could have done worse.
Better options that are immediately available:
-Jeff Fisher
-Jim Fassel
-Marty Schottenheimer
-John Gruden
-Brian Billick
-Jay Gruden (who ultimately stayed OC in Cincinnati)
-Todd Haley, who won his division last season

Better options that are currently in the playoffs:
-Denvers OC Mike McCoy

Guys on Mularkeys level that were immediately available:
-Brian Schottenheimer


So yeah, they could have done better. If they tried.
 
Umm, Sanchez has had 3 bad years. This season was actually his best statistically. Just because he made 2 AFC Title games it doesn't mean he isn't awful. There are at least 20 QBs in the league better than him.
 
Mularkey's offenses have been in the top half of the league in scoring in seven of his 10 seasons. His offenses ranked in the top half of the league half the time in yards, which isn't going to be an issue with the NFL's leading rusher on the Jaguars. His offenses have also been in the top half of rushing touchdowns in seven of his 10 seasons, including four top-10 seasons. Mularkey's passing offense has been in the top half of the league for seven of his 10 seasons in seven of his 10 seasons. His offenses ranked in the top-10 in passing touchdowns three times.

Mularkey isn't the sexiest hire, but he is a good solid one. I'm not saying he's a fantastic hire, in fact I was pretty angry about it when it was first announced since I wanted Rob Chudzinski. After looking at the numbers and seeing what he's been able to accomplish, I do feel a bit better about it. I'm still not jumping up and down over it, but I'm not as down on it as you are.
 
Like a Right Tackle. Yeah, that's gonna be addressed in the Draft or Free Agency.

Whether you like the QB or not, you can't sell on him after one sub-par year, and 2 good ones. Give him a new coordinator and a chance.

This was actually Sanchez's best year statistically. The guy has never impressed me. A few playoff wins because the team as a whole was good the last two years doesn't make him a good qb. I guess I'll give him another year because there isn't much available via free agency and it'd be stupid to use another early round pick on a qb this quickly but I don't see him improving much.



You mean the Falcons Offense that couldn't do shit last week, scoring 0 points on a team that couldn't beat the Seahawks?

Because one week defines a guys complete body of work.

And Mike Mularkeys offensive ranks starting with Buffalo thanks to ProFootballReference.com:

Last time I checked the only offensive stat that really mattered was points scored and in his career his offenses rank: 7, 8, 19, 7, 24, 29 (Miami), 10, 13, 5, 7. Those numbers look pretty good to me for the most part.

Also let's look at the qb's he had to work with: Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, 32 year old Drew Bledsoe, Kelly Holcomb and JP Losman (the 24 rank year), Joey Harrington/Daunte/Cleo Lemon (the 29 rank year), and finally Matt Ryan. His best years came, coincidentally, in Atlanta where he had his best talent.

Buffalo went 9-7 thanks to a defense that was 2nd in yards allowed, 8th in points, 1st in takeaways, 17th in Rush attempts to go with 7th in Rush Yards allowed, 2nd in Rush TDs allowed, 3rd in rush yards/attempts, 7th in pass attempts, 3rd in pass yards, 2nd in Interceptions.

That D was built by Greg Williams, who was fired in the offseason.

They also went 9-7 because the offense was 7th in points per game which is pretty good considering he had an old Drew Bledsoe at qb. And while Williams built the defense, Mularkey was the head coach when they had their only winning record of the decade. That counts for something. He wasn't a great head coach his first go around but he also wasn't in the best situation.

Better options that are immediately available:

Like I said there were better options but they obviously wanted a guy with experience grooming qbs.
 
This was actually Sanchez's best year statistically. The guy has never impressed me. A few playoff wins because the team as a whole was good the last two years doesn't make him a good qb. I guess I'll give him another year because there isn't much available via free agency and it'd be stupid to use another early round pick on a qb this quickly but I don't see him improving much.
You mean playoff wins where Sanchez outplayed Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Phil Rivers? Yeah, he actually did a ton to win those games. Like game winning drives in the 4th quarter and racking up stats and soundly defeating the "best team in the NFL" all while outplaying the best QB in the universe? Yeah, I'd say that he's actually done a bunch.

And yeah, his first 2 years weren't terrible. He had a good 2nd year, an OK first year, and the only reason people are hating on this year is because the Defense let him down and the Right Tackle was a turnstile. If he was winning this year, people wouldn't be hating him.


Because one week defines a guys complete body of work.
No, but his body of work defines a guys body of work.

Last time I checked the only offensive stat that really mattered was points scored and in his career his offenses rank: 7, 8, 19, 7, 24, 29 (Miami), 10, 13, 5, 7. Those numbers look pretty good to me for the most part.
Well then why do you hate Mark Sanchez, who does good in the only whole team stat that matters, which is wins? If there's only one stat that matters, then you should applaud virtually everyone that has anything to do with wins, which is really the only stat that you can say really matters.

Also let's look at the qb's he had to work with: Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, 32 year old Drew Bledsoe, Kelly Holcomb and JP Losman (the 24 rank year), Joey Harrington/Daunte/Cleo Lemon (the 29 rank year), and finally Matt Ryan. His best years came, coincidentally, in Atlanta where he had his best talent.

Wow, so what you're saying is that he is terrible at getting quarterbacks, or terrible at making them play adequately? So he's not as great as you make him out to be. OK good.

Although Kordell Stewart was pretty good, and Tommy Maddox was a 1 year wonder, then had an old but still solid Drew Bledsoe, then Matt Ryan? So then he rode the coattails of QBs that are good during the regular season. fine.

They also went 9-7 because the offense was 7th in points per game which is pretty good considering he had an old Drew Bledsoe at qb. And while Williams built the defense, Mularkey was the head coach when they had their only winning record of the decade. That counts for something. He wasn't a great head coach his first go around but he also wasn't in the best situation.
And when he was a head coach, he made the team suck, and lead them to a shit 5-11 year. Note how not only did the defense fall apart while he was there, but the offense too, and they ended up not reaching .500 since.

And you know why they were 7th in points? When you lead the league in takeaways and most defensive categories, you tend to play on short fields, resulting in more points.

Like I said there were better options but they obviously wanted a guy with experience grooming qbs.
And they chose a guy who couldn't groom a QB, based on the list you mentioned? Well then they failed at hiring a coach, thanks for proving my point. If they wanted a QB grooming guy, there's better options out there.

He couldn't groom JP Losman, he couldn't right the ship with any of the other guys, then got lucky with Matt Ryan (albeit not so lucky, since Matt Ryan is an embarrassment in the postseason).
 
I hate ESPN right now. Literally 14-15 minutes just talking about Tebow's popularity. There was quick talk about the Pats beating them, but all Tebow to open. I get that the guy is a huge role model right now, but come the fuck on! There was basketball last night. I want to see highlights of the Heat losing!
 
You mean playoff wins where Sanchez outplayed Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Phil Rivers? Yeah, he actually did a ton to win those games. Like game winning drives in the 4th quarter and racking up stats and soundly defeating the "best team in the NFL" all while outplaying the best QB in the universe? Yeah, I'd say that he's actually done a bunch.

And yeah, his first 2 years weren't terrible. He had a good 2nd year, an OK first year, and the only reason people are hating on this year is because the Defense let him down and the Right Tackle was a turnstile. If he was winning this year, people wouldn't be hating him.

I'll let you live in your fantasy world of Mark Sanchez being good.


Well then why do you hate Mark Sanchez, who does good in the only whole team stat that matters, which is wins? If there's only one stat that matters, then you should applaud virtually everyone that has anything to do with wins, which is really the only stat that you can say really matters.

Mark Sanchez has wins because the team around him is great. Mike Mularkey gets offenses to score because he has a good offensive mind.



Wow, so what you're saying is that he is terrible at getting quarterbacks, or terrible at making them play adequately? So he's not as great as you make him out to be. OK good.

I'm saying he was never given very good qbs to work with. Kordell Stewart's best year came under Mularkey. Maddox's big comeback year came under Mularkey. Matt Ryan has always been under Mularkey and he developed fairly quickly.

Although Kordell Stewart was pretty good, and Tommy Maddox was a 1 year wonder, then had an old but still solid Drew Bledsoe, then Matt Ryan? So then he rode the coattails of QBs that are good during the regular season. fine.

Kordell Stewart was awful and had his best years under Mularkey. Maddox had his only good year under Mularkey. Drew Bledsoe was never really that good.

And when he was a head coach, he made the team suck, and lead them to a shit 5-11 year. Note how not only did the defense fall apart while he was there, but the offense too, and they ended up not reaching .500 since.

After leading them to their only winning season of the decade. I also would say that the fact they are the Buffalo Bills is the reason they sucked, not Mularkey.


And they chose a guy who couldn't groom a QB, based on the list you mentioned? Well then they failed at hiring a coach, thanks for proving my point. If they wanted a QB grooming guy, there's better options out there.

Once again, Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox had their best years under the guy and Matt Ryan has been groomed pretty nicely.

He couldn't groom JP Losman, he couldn't right the ship with any of the other guys, then got lucky with Matt Ryan (albeit not so lucky, since Matt Ryan is an embarrassment in the postseason).

He only had two years with Losman and no one else has been able to make him good either mainly because he is terrible. Also since you are giving the Bills 2004 defense credit to Williams, I'll go ahead and give Mularkey the credit for JP Losman's one good season which came the season after Mularkey was fired.

And like I said from the beginning I'm not touting Mularkey as some genius who was an amazing hire. I'm just saying he was a decent hire and they could have done worse.
 
I hate ESPN right now. Literally 14-15 minutes just talking about Tebow's popularity. There was quick talk about the Pats beating them, but all Tebow to open. I get that the guy is a huge role model right now, but come the fuck on! There was basketball last night. I want to see highlights of the Heat losing!

ESPN is pretty terrible for this sort of thing. Ever watch their baseball coverage? They'll spend at least half of it talking about the Phillies, Yankees, and Red Sox, even if they didn't do anything at all important that day. If you can, look into getting the sports networks. They're so much better.
 
Kordell Stewart was decent when he was handing the ball off to Jerome Bettis. Outside of that he was pretty bad
 

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