It definitely ended up being a lot of fun. A lot of sloppy play, but that was due to fatigue more than anything I think. Regardless, still a very fun game to watch.
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It definitely ended up being a lot of fun. A lot of sloppy play, but that was due to fatigue more than anything I think. Regardless, still a very fun game to watch.
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I read it. I agreed with it almost completely. There should be a playoff. While play-in games are a bit unfair, especially since you're punishing 4 conference winners; I'd like the idea of giving top seeds a bye.
The main reason there isn't a playoff is because the bowl system generates so much money, they don't want to risk changing it. A new system could very well generate the same amount of money, but they don't want to risk it.
Plus, your system makes the postseason 20 teams. Currently about 60 teams get the post-season.
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Just have a four team playoff decided on by computer rankings. Three games total where each of the major bowls pass around the right to host the games each year. The semis on New Year's Day and the championship a week later. The rest of the teams can play in the other 30 meaningless bowl games that are out there and you only increase the numbers of games the players have to play by one (and only for the top two teams).
Every other idea I have heard is way too convoluted for a sport where guys practically kill themselves and don't get paid substantially (please don't turn this in to an argument on the value of a free education).
Every other idea I have heard is way too convoluted for a sport where guys practically kill themselves and don't get paid substantially (please don't turn this in to an argument on the value of a free education).
I figure people will complain that Arkansas State and Louisiana Tech get in so they'd have to prove it again since they play in conferences thought of below even C-USA and the MWC.
And you could continue with the other bowls if they wanted. I know it could be tough to keep track, but those 6-6 and 7-5 Bowl Eligible teams could get their one final game.
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I'm of a similar belief to that of the NCAA Basketball tournament. If you win your conference, you deserve to be in the tournament. Since they had a shit level of competition, they get the bottom of the seeding and having to play the top teams.
The problem is that those bowl games would have stiffer competition in games that determine National Champions. Now all the Bowl Games (except 1) have equal Championship value (as in no value at all).
The only real way for it to work would be to have the non-Tournament Bowl Games take place during the week, and the Tournament games be on Saturdays.
Yeah but they do always throw some low tier conference champions to Dayton, ever since they introduced the play-in game. That's essentially what this is.
Yeah, each of the playoff games would be on the same day, so no team gets an advantage of extra day of rest. The Bowl games could be thrown during monday-friday on Christmas Break.
Also with a playoff they'd be getting a ton of games anyways. 4 play in + 8 first round + 4 2nd round + 2 semi finals + 1 final = 19 games. Find 22 more teams to fill the other 11 bowl games and there you go.
I wish people would stop talking about how Andrew Luck is the definitive best player in the country. He's not even the best quarterback in the country. In fact he may not be in the top 3. RG3 and Keenum are clearly superior, and Kellen Moore may be as well. The only justifiable way to put him over RG3 is Baylor's record, but he doesn't have that on Keenum. So, I'm saying it - Case for Heisman. Sue me.
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If you're talking stats then those guys are better then Luck but as overall qb's no way. Especially with Case Keenum. He is the definition of a system qb. RG III I could possibly buy because he is so dynamic but if I had to start a team with any qb in college football it would be Luck.
If Keenum was a system QB then Houston wouldn't have been completely piss without him last year. Do I think he's a pro talent? no. He's not very big and has somewhat of an injury question now with what he had. But it's not like others have lit it up at Houston before him.
If you mean he can only operate in certain systems, then I'd be willing to adjust my system whichever way I need to for someone as good as Keenum. And I think you're vastly underrating him, system QB or not. He has a 43-3 TD-INT ratio on 467 attempts with a 73.3 completion percentage. I don't care who the hell you're playing, if you can throw over 40 TD's (which with his stats means he's throwing a TD roughly every 11 passes) while throwing only 3 interceptions (roughly one pick for every 156 passes) while throwing the ball 467 times, you are greatly skilled and doing something right. You can accuse me of going to stats again, and I am: but sometimes stats like that speak for themselves. He might not be extremely dynamic, but he can see the field very well, move the ball into the endzone, and be consistently productive. (as in, scoring and making offense without turning the ball over and stalling offensive production). Those are recipes for a great quarterback, and you can't argue otherwise.
Little "Sign Guy" Jimmy;3544399 said:
Please show me where I said system qb = shit qb. That's what I thought. Keenum is a good college quarterback whose numbers have been inflated due to the system he is in. That's what I mean by system quarterback. Timmy Chang, Colt Brennan, Andre Ware, Ty Detmer, etc.. All system quarterbacks. You have to be a good talent to have success in these systems but the systems make you look better then you are.
Honestly, I really don't believe in systems any more. I do believe coaching can make you better than you really are but you still need talent. Look at Todd Graham and Pitt. His high octane offense has been successful with just about everyone. He's had the top 5 offense in the country a few times and took Rice, an option offense and turned them into a successful spread team.
My point is Sunseri. He just sucks and a proven system did not pad his stats... He's just awful...
My point is Sunseri. He just sucks and a proven system did not pad his stats... He's just awful...
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Case Keenum is a good college QB. He will likely never amount to anything in the NFL. He plays well in the Houston system, but in a more complex NFL style of offense he will collapse.
See: Jason White, 2003 Heisman Trophy QB from the University of Oklahoma. He was a good College QB, who played excellently in the Oklahoma system. He went undrafted in the 2005 Draft, got an invite to Training Camp by the Chiefs (who didn't sign him), and never played a down of Regular Season NFL football.
I'm not saying Keenum is bad or should be undrafted and never play in the NFL. I'm saying that Keenum is a very good QB for U of Houston, but won't be good in the NFL.
Basically, what I'm saying here is Big Sexy is 100% right. Keenum is good, but not as good as you think.
See: Jason White, 2003 Heisman Trophy QB from the University of Oklahoma. He was a good College QB, who played excellently in the Oklahoma system. He went undrafted in the 2005 Draft, got an invite to Training Camp by the Chiefs (who didn't sign him), and never played a down of Regular Season NFL football.
I'm not saying Keenum is bad or should be undrafted and never play in the NFL. I'm saying that Keenum is a very good QB for U of Houston, but won't be good in the NFL.
Basically, what I'm saying here is Big Sexy is 100% right. Keenum is good, but not as good as you think.
Who gives a fuck what a college QB will do in the pros though? The Heisman and all NCAA player awards are for their college performances, not on NFL potential, and should be judged as such. If Case Keenum is the most outstanding player in college football, so be it, regardless of if he will be a good pro. Same with Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, or any other player you want to name. College =/= NFL junior.
A college QB is a very diverse position. You have straight up pro-style QBs, you have guys who run, guys who throw the ball 60 yards, guys who dink and dunk, accurate guys, and they all play the same position. A lot of people get stuck with a single definition of what makes a "QB". But the NCAA is way more diverse than that limited definition. Just because not every team doesn't use their QB in the exact same way as someone else doesn't make them worthless. This isn't a particular defense of Case Keenum, it's more just me expressing my disdain for awards only being deserved by college players who some people think will be good in the NFL, rather than on what they are doing in college. Put Denard Robinson on Houston, he is absolutely dreadful. That style of play is just not his game. Yet, he is the cog that runs Michigan. Without DRob, Michigan isn't 10-2. Conversely, Case Keenum might not do as well running Michigan's offense either. Is a "QB" who combines rushing/passing for 350 yards/5 TDs not playing the same position as the "QB" who throws for 350/5 TDs without rushing at all? Both QBs are the most vital player on their team's offense. Both account for the same yards overall, the same amount of points. Who gives a fuck how each got those yards and TDs, as long as they got them? Both most likely will be playing in a BCS bowl game, possibly against each other. Is Case Keenum more valuable to Houston than Denard Robinson is to Michigan? Is Andrew Luck more valuable to Stanford than RGIII is to Baylor?
Essentially, judge college players by how successful they are in college, how well they ran their team's offense, how effective they were. Don't worry about whether someone anticipates them having a lengthy NFL career or not...the NFL is irrelevant to their college career.
A college QB is a very diverse position. You have straight up pro-style QBs, you have guys who run, guys who throw the ball 60 yards, guys who dink and dunk, accurate guys, and they all play the same position. A lot of people get stuck with a single definition of what makes a "QB". But the NCAA is way more diverse than that limited definition. Just because not every team doesn't use their QB in the exact same way as someone else doesn't make them worthless. This isn't a particular defense of Case Keenum, it's more just me expressing my disdain for awards only being deserved by college players who some people think will be good in the NFL, rather than on what they are doing in college. Put Denard Robinson on Houston, he is absolutely dreadful. That style of play is just not his game. Yet, he is the cog that runs Michigan. Without DRob, Michigan isn't 10-2. Conversely, Case Keenum might not do as well running Michigan's offense either. Is a "QB" who combines rushing/passing for 350 yards/5 TDs not playing the same position as the "QB" who throws for 350/5 TDs without rushing at all? Both QBs are the most vital player on their team's offense. Both account for the same yards overall, the same amount of points. Who gives a fuck how each got those yards and TDs, as long as they got them? Both most likely will be playing in a BCS bowl game, possibly against each other. Is Case Keenum more valuable to Houston than Denard Robinson is to Michigan? Is Andrew Luck more valuable to Stanford than RGIII is to Baylor?
Essentially, judge college players by how successful they are in college, how well they ran their team's offense, how effective they were. Don't worry about whether someone anticipates them having a lengthy NFL career or not...the NFL is irrelevant to their college career.
Everyone's a system QB. Andrew Luck is a system QB. RGIII and Denard are system QBs. Kellen Moore is a system QB. They're all fit to their teams system.
Every qb is technically a system qb just like every running back is technically a system running back but there are certain systems that cater to different positions more then others. Teams like Houston and Texas Tech use the "Air Raid" version of the spread which caters to qb's and their stats more then almost any other offense. Another style that does that is the Run n Shoot that June Jones ran at Hawaii and guys like Andre Ware and David Klingler ran back in the late 80's, early 90's.
My point is that while Keenum's stats are better then Luck's that doesn't mean he is a better qb overall or even a better college qb which is what Sign Guy was originally trying to get at.
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I hate Jack Del Rio. There isn't one head coach in the NFL who is worse than him.
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You have to give the Jaguars credit, when they make the news they really make sure to get their money's worth. What a crazy day and it's not even noon yet.
Stormtrooper
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that's insane.
Fire Del Rio, supposedly extend the GM, then announce the sale of the team. Wow.
Congrats on the ousting of a bad coach, man. It was about time.
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I'm happy Del Rio got fired. Weaver said he was going to fire him after last week's game but held off due to the announcements of today. I like what the new owner, Shahid Khan, has said thus far through some of his PR people. He is saying he intends on keeping the Jags in Jacksonville, which I believe since he has no reason to lie about it.
