The Rock ruined Wrestlemania 27

[Xemmy]

Rock didn't ruin Wrestlemania. I do however, think he killed the ending. There as no reason for him to be standing tall when the title match as between Miz and Cena. Involvment is fine, and interfering in the match is one thing, but just completely ************ the two guys in the main event just wasn't the way it should have been done.

 

[AnvilForever]

No, I don't blame the Rock for WM27's flaws. He did his job, and he did it well, and just seeing Austin and Rock staredown for a few seconds made me mark out in a way that only HHH and the Undertaker could match.

No, the Rock should not be blamed. Vince McMahon should be blamed for rewriting the damn schedule and screwing a lot of the undercard talent in the process.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Came out for whatever reason for 20 minutes to talk how HE will make this the best ever, how HE will lay the smackdown. NOT putting over any of the matches on the card. NOT talking about the two Major Titles being defended.

Your point is well taken, but he was just playing the character he's always played. Rock has always been about "ME," from his referring to himself in the third person...... to spitting on his hand when getting ready to deliver the punch that sends his opponent flying over the ropes. All his self-centered rants have been about himself only.....and it's what the fans like about him (or hate, which amounts to the same thing).

Yet, I can see what you're saying; one would figure that a guy who's supposed the be the host of the event would spend some time promoting the other people on the card. But it's just not what the Rock does. Dwayne Johnson might be the type who does it; but not the Rock.

On the other hand, Rock doesn't simply wipe out everyone in his path; he gets his attitude adjusted by John Cena and even spends some time on the mat, courtesy of the Corre. Yes, he's eventually going to come out on top, but that's the way his character is written.

What Rock added to WM was exactly what we expected of him.

It should be an interesting year until WM28.

 

[The Champ]

I love The Rock, but let's take a look at what the OP is saying before we jump all over him for being sacreligious towards The Great One.

If The Rock hadn't come back, Cena and Miz could have had a great storyline about how Miz was finally trying to prove himself against the guy who he had been calling out two years prior. It could have been Miz's moment to shine, with Cena playing the role of the veteran who seems unimpressed at first, but gradually begins to respect the younger guy for how far he's come. Their match likely would have been much better if it hadn't had Rock's shadow on it from its very beginning, with everyone knowing that nothing really mattered until he came out. And regardless of the outcome, Miz would have been made as a star, established at the biggest show of the year as perhaps WWE's next major marquee name.

Instead, the main event of WrestleMania disappointed many people, and ended with some ridiculous crap of a double countout and then Miz winning due to Rock's interference. No one looked good except The Rock. There's going to be a payoff with Cena next year, but it doesn't appear that there will be one with Miz. And his entire title reign was basically undercut for the sake of a Rock/Cena feud that wasn't actually going to culminate in a match for another entire year.

Now, it's up to the individual to decide whether or not stealing Miz's moment was worth the Rock/Cena match next year. But I can definitely see the point of view that it wasn't, taking all possible factors into consideration.

 

[Kaneanite]

All the Rock ass kissers and Cena haters (pretty much the same people) are going to say it's Cena's fault for the bad main event because he "oversold" and didn't handle the promos leading up well or some stupid shit like that.

All the people that are just trying to find a reason as to why 'Mania was bad and not accept the fact that it was the booking and lack of decent wrestling are going to blame it on The Rock.

The Rock didn't ruin Mania but he didn't help it. As someone else said: he just didn't deliver. The 20 minute opening segment or whatever is fine as long as it's entertaining but it really wasn't all that entertaining for me. Too many backstage segments, poor wrestling for the most part aside from 1 or 2 matches, DBD/Sheamus got cut, the main event ended because of interference (something I personally never like), Corre got burried, Ziggler/Morrison - 2 of the company's brightest stars - didn't get any in-ring time.. the list goes on and on. It wasn't Rock's fault, and it was a tough situation given the booking. Personally I think he could have done better but whatever lets just hope he delivers at WM 28.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

The Rock ruined WrestleMania, says the guy with the John Cena sig. What a shocker.

Why should The Rock do anything we wouldn't expect him to do? Is it like The Rock, the character, to come out and praise Cena? No, it's not. And why would he prop Cena up for the fans? They are going to boo Cena no matter what, so I don't see the point.

Also, a year from now, Rock is going to put Cena over, big time, more so than he already has (and trust me, he already has). It's not Rock's fault Cena isn't completely over with wrestling fans.

A year from now, Rock will job out to Cena at WrestleMania 28. Will the fans care? Nope. Cena will probably get booed harder than ever before. And I'm sure, when that happens, we'll have to listen to hundreds of crying Cena fans bitch about how terrible a job Rock did in putting over Cena. It never ends.

Here's the truth -- If the guys were drawing money the way Rock did, in his prime, Rock wouldn't be needed. But seeing as how Rock is STILL a huge draw, he didn't ruin anything.

 

[The Champ]

Cena isn't completely over with wrestling fans? Um, what? Cena is probably the most over guy on the roster. Just because he gets some boos doesn't mean that he's not over; being over doesn't just mean being cheered.

And yes, the fans will care when Rock beats Cena. If they boo, they care. If they cheer, they care. The only way you can say they won't care is if they have no reaction at all, which is obviously not going to happen. If Rock puts over Cena cleanly, nobody will be bitching. Will that happen? Hopefully.

People aren't drawing money the way Rock did because the wrestling business isn't as popular as it was back then. Blaming it on one person has never made sense to me. The Attitude Era's mainstream popularity was a fad, and when the fans who jumped on at that time saw their favorites leave, they jumped right back off. Those aren't the type of fans who stick around to see new stars get made. Many of those fans started watching just to see what the buzz was about. When the buzz went away, they did too.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Cena isn't completely over with wrestling fans? Um, what? Cena is probably the most over guy on the roster. Just because he gets some boos doesn't mean that he's not over; being over doesn't just mean being cheered.

Austin was completely over. Rock was completely over. Hogan was completely over. Cena being booed at every major event shows he isn't completely over. That doesn't mean he isn't the face of the company, nor does it mean he doesn't draw money.

And yes, the fans will care when Rock beats Cena. If they boo, they care. If they cheer, they care. The only way you can say they won't care is if they have no reaction at all, which is obviously not going to happen.

By not caring, I mean it won't make a difference in how these people feel. The WWE has seemingly given up on getting Cena over with these people, and I think that's fine. But don't start thinking Cena going over Rock will up and change how these people feel, because it more than likely won't.

If Rock puts over Cena cleanly, nobody will be bitching. Will that happen? Hopefully.

I won't bitch, and obviously you won't bitch either. It's totally expected, and it's what should happen. Rock is no longer active, and if he's jumping back into the ring, he has to put Cena over. But trust me, people will bitch, the live crowd included.

People aren't drawing money the way Rock did because the wrestling business isn't as popular as it was back then. Blaming it on one person has never made sense to me.

I would love for you to show me where I blamed it on one person, and I'm guessing you mean Cena. I didn't place anywhere near the full amount of blame on Cena.

The Attitude Era's mainstream popularity was a fad, and when the fans who jumped on at that time saw their favorites leave, they jumped right back off.

Wrestling fans are wrestling fans, they're still around, waiting to watch something that entertains them. If you don't believe me, look at the numbers Raw picked up when Rock came back. If they are watching something they like, they will stick around. Who knows, maybe they will throughout the summer and fall. Seeing I watch the product each week, I'm not saying it isn't worth watching, but that's obviously how a lot of former fans feel.

 

[The Champ]

Austin was completely over. Rock was completely over. Hogan was completely over. Cena being booed at every major event shows he isn't completely over. That doesn't mean he isn't the face of the company, nor does it mean he doesn't draw money.

Being over means getting a reaction. Now, if you said he doesn't get full face pops, then you would be correct. But there's a very simple explanation for that: Cena is the only one of those four guys who had to follow the Attitude Era. As a result, the people who grew accustomed to that type of programming didn't like seeing something that wasn't directed towards them as much, and thus became Cena haters. It would have happened to whoever the top face was in the "PG era."

By not caring, I mean it won't make a difference in how these people feel. The WWE has seemingly given up on getting Cena over with these people, and I think that's fine. But don't start thinking Cena going over Rock will up and change how these people feel, because it more than likely won't

I won't bitch, and obviously you won't bitch either. It's totally expected, and it's what should happen. Rock is no longer active, and if he's jumping back into the ring, he has to put Cena over. But trust me, people will bitch, the live crowd included.

Okay, fair enough.

I would love for you to show me where I blamed it on one person, and I'm guessing you mean Cena. I didn't place anywhere near the full amount of blame on Cena.

It's just not a matter of the actual talent, it's a matter of the business having declined significantly in popularity since then.

Wrestling fans are wrestling fans, they're still around, waiting to watch something that entertains them. If you don't believe me, look at the numbers Raw picked up when Rock came back. If they are watching something they like, they will stick around. Who knows, maybe they will throughout the summer and fall. Seeing I watch the product each week, I'm not saying it isn't worth watching, but that's obviously how a lot of former fans feel.

Well, my main point here is that from a creative standpoint, it may have hurt The Miz more than it helped him, which could have harmful long term effects. I think that's also what the OP means, although I can't speak for him. If they were going to have Rock be involved, I wish they would have at least utilized him better, instead of booking a bullshit finish, then having him come out and restart the match, only to have another bullshit finish right away. Miz looked pretty weak and will likely not get a payoff from this like Cena will.

They also could have tried harder to build a real story between Cena and Miz, even with the Rock stuff mixed in. It wrote itself with the whole "Miz 1, Cena 0" stuff back in 2009. That was never mentioned. The entire storyline was about The Rock, and it didn't need to be to get people interested in what The Rock was going to do. He should not have been sucked off so much at the other two guys' expense throughout this entire thing. But it's alright for Cena because he'll get the payoff with the match next year. Miz won't.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Being over means getting a reaction. Now, if you said he doesn't get full face pops, then you would be correct.

He is pushed as the top babyface in the company, yet he's booed by a good portion of the audience. He isn't getting the reaction the WWE wants him to get, and that's been happening for years. That's what I mean by him not being completely over. If he were a heel, it obviously wouldn't be an issue. I'm not bagging on the guy, I don't boo him. But it's the reality of the situation.

But there's a very simple explanation for that: Cena is the only one of those four guys who had to follow the Attitude Era. As a result, the people who grew accustomed to that type of programming didn't like seeing something that wasn't directed towards them as much, and thus became Cena haters. It would have happened to whoever the top face was in the "PG era."

If it is simply a matter of programming content, why the "You Can't Wrestle" chants and things of that sort? They just don't like Cena, and they probably don't like this era of wrestling. I'm not blaming Cena, but he is definitely hated for more reasons than just being apart of the PG era.

Well, my main point here is that from a creative standpoint, it may have hurt The Miz more than it helped him, which could have harmful long term effects. I think that's also what the OP means, although I can't speak for him. If they were going to have Rock be involved, I wish they would have at least utilized him better, instead of booking a bullshit finish, then having him come out and restart the match, only to have another bullshit finish right away. Miz looked pretty weak and will likely not get a payoff from this like Cena will.

The payoff for Miz is still being the WWE champion. That's a payoff. Miz isn't some dominant heel that wins because he's better than his opponent. He wins by cheating, and taking advantage of opportunities. I don't think this hurts the Miz in terms of credibility, because he didn't have much to start with.

They also could have tried harder to build a real story between Cena and Miz, even with the Rock stuff mixed in. It wrote itself with the whole "Miz 1, Cena 0" stuff back in 2009. That was never mentioned. The entire storyline was about The Rock, and it didn't need to be to get people interested in what The Rock was going to do. He should not have been sucked off so much at the other two guys' expense throughout this entire thing. But it's alright for Cena because he'll get the payoff with the match next year. Miz won't.

Maybe, just maybe, the WWE doesn't care as much about Miz as some people would like to believe. This entire angle was booked to set up next years WrestleMania, and as a paying customer, that bothers me a bit. This main event really meant nothing, but I don't think it hurt Miz. His character isn't booked to be a winner. He's booked as a cheater, someone who enjoyed having The Rock win that match for him. I see no evidence of this hurting The Miz, none at all.

 

[LoudClearVoice]

I do somewhat agree with the sentiment by some that The Rock overshadowed the Miz and the Miz was kind of the "odd man out" in the whole thing leading up to wrestlemania and now. It's almost like they threw the Miz into the Rock-Cena feud just so people wouldn't forget about him.

However, as I said above, The Rock added to the interest level. Miz and Cena have fought before. If it was just Miz vs. Cena for the belt at WM, it would be "here we go again" and Cena would have walked out with the strap.

Adding the Rock, while the ending was kinda lame, at least added some level of intrigue to the match to the point where it became the main event. Without The Rock's involvement, is Miz vs. Cena the main event? No, Triple H and Undertaker would have been.

 

[Smartie]

I just thanked god there is people out there who have come to the conclusion that is the title of this thread.It's a good feeling to know that you are not all alone in this world.

I'm really pissed and am not in the mood to discuss the matter , but I can only say that how could anyone who has watched WM 17,WM 20-24 say Rock didn't ruin it.

They just throw away a whole WM (except HHH/Taker) so the Great one can celebrate at the end and set up the dream match up for the next year.I feel like a fool when i spend 50 bucks and Rock tells me he's gonna give me the most memorable WM of all time ,then going on to do what A-Ri could do on his own.

And he'd better show up next year 100% ready and give us the match we deserve and put Cena over cleanly , like what Hogan did for him.

I'm just eating my own hand out of anger ,this dude has had the UNFORGETTABL experience of WM 18 with hogan and is now shitting all over me with the hot garbage that came out of him sunday.

 

[Richard]

The Rock far from ruined WrestleMania.

In terms of kayfabe, the Rock saved WrestleMania from turning to shit after the double count out. What a shit way to end WrestleMania, the WWE title ending in a double count out. The Rock came out, restarted the match and a final decision was made.

The Rock also created a WrestleMania moment. He done what fans have been begging him to do for a hell of a long time, years even, give Cena the rock bottom at WrestleMania. It will be one of those moments which will be played over and over again whenever anything about WrestleMania is mentioned in WWE from now on.

Ruined Wrestlemania? Far from it.

 

[morbid]

Tell any fan who was there last night that he ruined the show and they will laugh at you. He had them in the palm of his hand and they loved him for it. He rocked the arena and he is the reason why this PPV will end up doing massive numbers.

Um... I was there last night and the Rock ruined WrestleMania.

I just stumbled across this thread and I had to sign up and comment. I don't like Cena, but the finish to the Main Event was just stupid. The double count out was only a platform for the Rock to come out and make himself look good. What the fuck was the point? "Thanks for burying us Rock, looking forward to being buried again next year."

Since returning home I've watched it on TV and you can't tell, but I was there and I saw it, people started leaving as soon as the Rock's music hit. We all knew it was garbage.

I've read through all the posts and anyone who doesn't think so is just a mark for the Rock. If you looked at it objectively you would see that he made WM very anticlimactic.

Now I wouldn't have a problem with it if it wasn't the last thing we saw at WM. If the Edge vs. Del Toro match would have been the mainevent it would have made the show more balanced.