The missing piece??

[Heartbreak_Kid_707]

First off, I don't like insults and conversations without a point. I see allot on here that just throw an insult and not say anything..not cool dudes, not cool...

BUT, anyways I'm a big fan of the Ascension. I know they kicked butt in NXT, then pretty much kicked tale when they came up. But looking at the llandscape of the WWE's tag division, there looks to be a big need for heel tag teams. The ascensions specialty. They broke up the "Rhodes brothers", they broke up Miz/Mizdow (kind of)..yes Cesaro/Kidd are heelish. But who do you have after that? The main 4 for the belts are The Uso's (face), Los Matadores (face), The New Day (face)...J&J security isn't a real tag team anymore..umTitus O Neal/Darren Young hasn't technically been reunited, but even if they have their kinda face..Kane/Big Show are just threw togather on occasion, not as a real tag team...

I miss seeing the Ascension, but besides the fact...where's the tag heels? The New Day needs a turn.

 

[#1druid]

They need a real feud to really put them over, personally the Dudley's coming in for a few months to put them over could do wonders but really there's no real structure to the tag division so there's nothing for them after. The only real tag teams are Tyson and cesaro, the usos and the ascension. They need more teams to really get things going.

 

[Heartbreak_Kid_707]

They do, that's true..I think the Dudley's have a really really good run in them. After a month of Raw and house shows, throw the title belts on them. Bubba Ray was just hitting his stride in tna when it fell apart. I think a 5-6 month program between Dudley's and the Ascension would be awesome..

Wwe has a lot of middle to low card guys that a couple could be teamed togather to build up. Curtis Axel (minor push now) Bo Dallas, Adam Rose, Heath slater, Titus o Neal, Darren young, Damien SANDOW (his own gimmick), Fandango (no dancing), Mark Henry, Alex Riley, Christian, David Otunga, zack Ryder. Not just throw back and forth. Make a few real teams..
You could get tag team division to look like this...
The ascension- heel
Cesaro/Kidd- heel
The Uso's - face
Los Matadoras- face
Alex Riley & Christian maybe
Mark Henry/Titus O Neal (heel)
Curtis Axel/Damien Sandow (face)
Heath Slater/David Otungu. (Heel)
Adam Rose/Bo Dallas- (face)

Some of those could and should work. Stabilize the tag teams...

 

[Navi]

This is the one division in the WWE that has been let go completely. I had high hope for the Ascension when they were first brought up, but after getting the new gimmick, and the fact that JBL and Booker T basically trashed them, those hope spiraled downward.

They are a great tag team and flourished in NXT, but as soon as they got to the main roster Vince got his hands on them, and there you have it.

There are a lot of midcarders that could be put into tag teams, but they have to have chemistry otherwise it doesn't work. I really don't think this division as it stands now is going anywhere. Let's get Mania over with and maybe some of the roster that we don't see a lot of can be put into some sort of team and they can build up the division again. But to tell you the truth I don't have much confidence in them doing it.

 

[OldSchoolWrestlingFan]

I agree that the Tag Division could use a great heel tag team - Like maybe turning New Day or some seem to think they might turn the Matadors (notice how they used the trunks to get the win) - but that isn't even their biggest issue right now. The biggest issue for the entire division is that thier are very few teams that fans feel are interesting & worth investing time into.

It seem like as soon as we begin getting behind a team they are split up to never be heard from again. The Wyatts are a great example - they should've necer split them up, plus they never even gave them a title run. They were putting on amazing matches with the Usos, especially at house shows, and people were starting to see them as a threat to hold the Gold then next thing you know they are split.

What made tag team wrestling so good back in the day is because teams didn't worry about singles matches & they stayed together & built long term fueds the fans could get behind & felt were important. WWE needs to get back to that theory or the tag division will never flourish

 

[sabataged]

I just don't get Ascension. What exactly is their gimmick? I think when they were called up to the main roster the creative team tried to tweak their gimmick but they tweaked it in the wrong direction. They needed to go more in the way of the dark twisted Brood-esque style instead of the Road Warriors style. Road Warriors gimmick was great in the 80's when things were cartoonish.

In today's age where things are more realistic and when in ring work means more than it ever has these guys just can't go in the ring like some others so they are getting exposed. I never seen them wrestle a good match in NXT/FCW/Whatever. Everything was always a squash or non eventful.

 

[WhiplashUnited]

I always found it ironic that the then WWF had a go at WCW for pretty muchnabandoning or not caring about it's tag team titles but now as WWE have done practically the same thing.

 

[Heartbreak_Kid_707]

I do agree, Vince tried to tweak the Ascension and messed it up. They would have rocked it with a Brood-esque type deal. They still have a lot of potential. They have chemistry. A lot of the "teams" threw togather I listed I think could have chemistry, if gave a full program for some time. I mean who knew Cesaro/Kidd would gel so good and thrive? At this time last year Cesaro was dominating a Wrestlemania battle royal.

Otunga/Slater tagged togather with the Nexus and done good...um Axel/Sandow both are good and need a solid gimmick. New Day needs a heel turn bad. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but has Kofi Kingston ever played a heel character, ever??

I think with the emmence amount of talent in NXT right now that's ready to move up Kevin Owens, Finn Balor, Hideo Itami, Adrian Nevielle, Sami Xayne, maybe a Tyler Breeze even..but my point was that the main roster is gonna get top heavy real quick. I love the Miz but maybe they could stick Miz/Riley togather again for a heel tag...

 

[RKO920]

The Ascension were great down in NXT then they get brought up with all of this hype and have fallen flat. I don't fault them for it at all. They were brought into a division in WWE that gets barely any storylines, heck even the Divas get stories into their matches. I get it Total Divas has helped drive the TV storylines but still. There doesn't need to be a storyline with some crazy backstory.

What I would do is this. Have the Ascension win the titles, have them dominate the division. Have a new team from NXT work their way out of NXT and onto the main roster and have them earn their way to getting to the Ascension. Make the titles mean something and have this dominate team be the ones to help get over and establish new teams.

Also it does not help at all that when the Ascension came onto the main roster they were comparing themselves to the great tag teams of the past. Again, not their fault they are just saying what the writing staff gives to them. The writing staff is a whole post for another time, but simply they need more wrestling minds on that staff and less Hollywood people.

 

[JVel]

The Ascension were great down in NXT then they get brought up with all of this hype and have fallen flat. I don't fault them for it at all. They were brought into a division in WWE that gets barely any storylines, heck even the Divas get stories into their matches. I get it Total Divas has helped drive the TV storylines but still. There doesn't need to be a storyline with some crazy backstory.

What I would do is this. Have the Ascension win the titles, have them dominate the division. Have a new team from NXT work their way out of NXT and onto the main roster and have them earn their way to getting to the Ascension. Make the titles mean something and have this dominate team be the ones to help get over and establish new teams.

Also it does not help at all that when the Ascension came onto the main roster they were comparing themselves to the great tag teams of the past. Again, not their fault they are just saying what the writing staff gives to them. The writing staff is a whole post for another time, but simply they need more wrestling minds on that staff and less Hollywood people.

Also doesn't help that creative/Vince tweaked their gimmick in the wrong direction, moving them from more twisted brooding characters into a bunch of god damn cartoons. I loved The Ascension in NXT but their current gimmick fell flat really quick and souring more weekly.

 

[Rykerzane]

Yeah I hate the ascension lol. I said it in another post but they look flabby, like the road warriors mixed with ministry of darkness and they're boring. Never watched them in NXT so I can't fully weigh in but I can't stand them. They don't even get a reaction from the crowd. Like at least get booed or cheered for. Everyone's just like "oh....those guys..."

The the thing that made the tag teams so interesting in the attitude era was that there were these factions. DX, Nation of Domination, Ministry of Darkness, T&A, The Brood, and brothers like Team Extreme and the Dudley "Brothers" ha. Point being you could take two out of a bigger group and have them represent this bigger faction which brought interest and power to those groups to have the tag team champions in their circle.

Not saying you have to replicate it but bigger factions and familial stuff which we do still see, could help.

Lastly, the ladies did bring a lot of help to it bc their rivalries with their respective gents at the side caused natural rivalries to form off of the female's own feuds. You see that kind of now with Nattie and Naomi and it's going well. You don't have to BE the attitude era but you surely can learn from it.

 

[SoulTrain4]

Lol @ blaming Vince or the Ascension sucking. They fucking sucked in NXT and their gimmick is pretty much the exact same shit.

It's simple: they aren't good at working, they have no charisma, they failed. Period.

NXT always covers weakness that get exposed on the main roster. Yet, for some reason y'all believe there is some huge difference between the two.

I can tell you right now who won't make it on the main roster, it's obvious as fuck the Ascension would fail and I didn't start watching NXT until two months before they left.

 

[Nick Vibe]

Oh man, I remember when in 2012-2013 some Smackdown's main events were featuring the tag titles. First step for the division to grow is have 2 accomplished upper midcard-main event guys form a team and dominate, so they set the bar for the other teams to up their game. This was the case at the two most recent periods where the division was shining (Team Hell No and the Rhodes brothers).

As for the current tag teams: Los Matadores are turning heel which is the wrong choice. They will never be taken seriously. New Day is the supreme choice to turn, hell, have Mark Henry be their leader and form a dominant stable.
It really bothers me what they did to the Ascension. OMG on this week's Main Event the jobbed, yeah jobbed, to the Primetime Players. I like PTP but they did everything wrong with the Ascension. Their early vampire gimmick was top notch, they were looking scary. They should have maintained that gimmick but even with the gimmick they got when they debuted in the main roster, they should have given them more compelling promos and make them so dominant that they would be undefeated for months.
In my perfect world this would be the tag team division:
1)New Day heel stable
2)Usos and Cesaro/Kidd as they are
3)Ascension as I described them
4)Real Americans reunite (maybe with Alex Riley)
5)Primetime Players (face)
6)Another heel mid to low card team.
Although I would love for Harper and Rowan to reunite (mainly cause I liked them as a team, secondly because they seem to have no direction at all now), there is no space for them in my division.

 

[Hem]

I'm not really as big on the Ascension as maybe some others are but I still see potential. When the original Ascension was down in NXT with the two original members, it was a good act. The new Ascension doesn't click the same for me. The entrance they had was also kickass but hey..thats only for NXT I guess.

The best tag team to go heel and actually do something in a useless tag team division is is one that doesn't even exist. I think putting Jack Swagger and Zeb Colter back together and getting Curtis Axel on board would make a pretty damn good Real American tag team.

The son of Mr. Perfect, Curtis Axel teaming with the All American American Jack Swagger to form a different version of The Real Americans. They could be a fresh pair and I'm sure they could put on some good wrestling matches against the Usos and Brass Ring Club.

Another tag team which I think could be interesting is Erick Rowan and Stardust. I know it sounds horrible but both men are mental nut-jobs right? So why not band them together.

If not that then I suggest get Rowan and Harper back together, have them finally win the gold and in the future realign with Bray Wyatt.

 

[Dave]

The Ascension are never going to make it in the WWE if they continue in the same vein they are currently in. Personally, I find then very boring, slightly overweight, and a rip off of a much better and more successful team. And I know I'm not the only one who does.

I never seen them in NXT but after making it to the main roster they have did absolutely nothing. Their gimmick isn't catching with the fans and they don't see to have anything on the horizon that is exciting me. In fact I can't even remember the last time I seen them in action. Ah yes, they were being beat by the Prime Time Players of course. And whilst I was initially upset with that, I don't think it really matters anymore. The Ascension have failed since moving up and things need to change before they get better. Have them forge their own look and their own personality. Because what they have right now is a one way ticket to being Future Endeavoured...