The Leaked RAW Storyline ***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***

[Vee Dub Represent]

So I read on the wrestlezone site a complete leaked segment involving 2 superstars from RAW. I know that rumors and actual storylines get thrown out there beforehand quite abit. Most of them are speculation or guesses and every once in a while they are right. But in this case, it seems to be a bit worse... not that the storyline is a major one that will change the company in any shape or form. But if this type of information is making its way onto internet sites then either:
a) Someone has a great imagination and is totally yanking our chains.
b) Someone has managed to find a way to steal creative plans, or
c) Someone in creative is playing dirty bugger... Big Time.
There is always the possibility that Vince has a sense of humor and
d) He wants us to think that there are security problems in creative so that we can speculate anything that is put online beforehand until the cows come home.

But... if it is either B or C this sucks because quite frankly even though I like to think I know whats on the horizon and do read the Smackdown spoilers from time to time... I certainly dont want the in depth scripts being posted online beforehand like this because it does ruin the moment. Although methinks Vince will put a stop to it if that is the case very quickly and someone will be well wished very soon.

Your thoughts people...

IF THIS THREAD IS IN THE WRONG SPOT MY APOLOGIES, I AM NEW TO THIS AND COULD NOT FIND A PLACE FOR SPOILER THREADS, SO I PUT IT IN THE THREAD TITLE

 

[jbwphoto1]

I was thinking about this last week. I think the correct answer is "d." If the answer was really "c," I don't think it would last very long. The person would be found out and out the door. If the answer is "b," I would be very impressed. And as far as the answer being "a," a lot of people have an awful lot of free time and watch a lot more wrestling than I would ever have to the chance to watch, so that could be a possiblity.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I don't actually understand if you're asking my opinion on the "spoiler", or if you're asking my opinion on the site itself for posting what they did.

If it's regarding the site itself, then this doesn't warrant being in the Wrestling section at all. It deserves to be in the live spam section, because it's pointless to discuss complaining on the Main site just because something doesn't seem real.

If this is in regard to the spoiler..

Spoiler: duh, the spoiler off the leaked storyline

I just laughed when I read it. Of all the people, why the fuck is J.B.L. apparently the only big man that somehow is pushed to get C.M. Punk over as remotely anything believeable?

J.B.L. can't wrestle, so I fail to see how this makes Punk look like anything more than pure shit. He's a good enough heel on the mic, but sooner or later this will need to lead to a match for the title.

J.B.L. stated he was going to make history, and it's possibly likely he will. He wants to take the Intercontinental title into Mania. The only real question from this, spawns into "If J.B.L. wins the Intercontinental title, does that mean Punk will definately win MITB?" I seriously hope not, for both.

J.B.L. does NOT need a title, especially a mid-card title. Even if he's wanting to bring legacy and honor back to something, HE is not the person to bring it back to the mid-card Championship. And having Punk lose to him, is way more damaging than having the title merely NOT being defended at Mania.

 

[Vee Dub Represent]

No, I was looking more for people's opinion on the full script being leaked to any media outlet period. I posted it here because it was a RAW based storyline. I am not so much commenting on whether its real or not. But I am dissapointed if it is a real leak.

 

[Phoenix]

I first heard about this on another site, but they also had a scan of the script uploaded and I read it. The leaked script was a first draft copy of Raw that passed (2nd March), which gets edited before at least 2/3 more times before the show starts. When checking the WZ site, it says the script for this coming Monday (9th), I think there is confusion because it leaks a spoiler in link to a certain blog, but it was for last week, not this week! As much as I trust WZ's reliability, having seen the scan of the same segment, the date on it clearly states it was intended for last week.

 

[hotwater10]

Damn, about the Intercontinental Champ should be included in the MITB and winner gets both...Any one remember that Kane Vs Triple H for The WWE Championship and Intercontinental? I would not mind see another one of them....But I think some one is just yanking are chains like this summer with what was in Kanes bag.

 

[Age of Orton]

JBL doing something historic I'm down with that since his return he's been in the lime light and deserves to be in a match at Mania, however my objection is JBL believing he can pull of a classic match like Steamboat/Savage, I've never seen a JBL match that I could even rank as great let alone classic.. personally I'd of had someone like CM Punk/Regal/Mr Kennedy for the belt, 3 different styles and Regal/Kennedy have history for last year, and CM Punk/Kennedy could be a fun match and add Regal the match I stated would be much better then any JBL match WWE can offer at this point.

 

[Blade]

I don't think it's gonna happen.

WWE did this feud before, except for a different title. We don't wanna see it again.
Last time we saw it, there was 2 shit matches from it, and 1 good promo.

Think about it this way; Back then Punk was able to beat JBL and he was the WHC... Fast forward to now, Punk has the IC title, a step down from the WHC title, obviously. What's a bigger step down than that? Losing to the guy he was able to beat a few months ago.
It would basically be going WWE going "Haha, we built you up for a few months only to have you crash down hard and become a joke. April fools"
WWE aren't that stupid... I hope.

JBL could just say he'll make history by being the first former world champion to win Money in the Bank. Don't make him actually win, just make him say he's going to win and that's how he'll make history. Don't destroy CM Punk's already shaky credibility.

 

[Christian Battlez]

I've been saying for a while now that JBL is the man who will bring prestige back to the Intercontinental Championship.I thought it would be William Regal when he started talking about how Raw needs a great IC champion and they should have a tournament to decide who is worthy of competing for the strap. Then Regal got sick and he never defended it and lost it to punk. Then CM Punk said he wantewd to bring its cred back. But his IC title reign has been about pushing Punk and not the belt. Hince why Punk is in MITB. Now I think its JBL but I've always thought this. We haven't had a champion who will legitamately care as much about the IC title as Santino did since the Itallion Stallion lost the belt. JBL was obsessed with the WWE Championship. It became a part of him. The United States title meant alot to him as well. He had a championship celebration and a whole big ordeal. I think a nice long title run with the IC title similar to his WWE title run would be great for him and the belt. It would have length a WM title defense and JBL would get MEGA heat as champion. People would care about the title and they would ahte the man and thats what the IC title needs.

 

[taker1234]

This could be a decoy by vince. For over one year since i've visited this site there have never been a script leek
Just a thought

 

[enigmaticdude]

I actually don't like that storylines are leaked. I want to be surprised no matter how obvious storylines are. That is why I still watch Smackdown and Raw. (Not ecw much).
I mean, It is Okay that wrestlezone gives us the weekly spoilers but why future spoilers? There should be a limit as to how much of a storyline is made available to anyone even WWE superstars. Like us, they should be surprised too. The only storyline I am interested in is the Hardy storyline and The future WWE championship and WHC matches in wrestlemania.

 

[Age of Orton]

I actually don't like that storylines are leaked. I want to be surprised no matter how obvious storylines are. That is why I still watch Smackdown and Raw. (Not ecw much).
I mean, It is Okay that wrestlezone gives us the weekly spoilers but why future spoilers? There should be a limit as to how much of a storyline is made available to anyone even WWE superstars. Like us, they should be surprised too. The only storyline I am interested in is the Hardy storyline and The future WWE championship and WHC matches in wrestlemania.

I understand you're argument here but at the same time there is a lot of people who are intrigued to read up on what is/was going to happen.

Myself for one don't watch smackdown as I simply don't have the time, I do TVR the show but I rarely watch it, unless some story entices me to watch it.. if not getting the results is cool with me.

storyline leaks are cool by me, if you don't want to know what is going to happen then simply don't read them

 

[realblackhart]

I find it hard to believe that a full segment has leaked onto the internet. If this has happened than the answer would be c. Sombody within the company has leaked this information and now it will be probably not be used on RAW. Which sucks IMO, not because I think that JBL is a credible champion but becuase I think that the IC title should be defended at WM. I like the fact that Punk and Shelton are in the MIB match but the IC title and the US title for that matter should be defended at WM. The US title has got this whole storyline on Smackdown and now it looks like they will put it on the shelf untill after WM unless Benjamin loses it before than. I like reading about signings and things like that but a whole segment leak is a little bit much for me. I don't believe that JBL is a credible champion but I do believe that WM needs a great IC match to give the title more meaning. The Intercontinental (Heavyweight) Championship match at WM III was a great one, the one between Piper and Bret at WM VIII was another, hr ladder match for the IC title at WM X was a great one, and The Two-fall Triple Threat match for the Intercontinental and European Championships between Benoit, Angle, and Jericho at WM XVI was pretty damn good. Now this isn't a thread of the history of the IC title at WM but this is just to piggy back what JBL says to Punk in the leaked spoiler. The IC title has been defended in other matches throughout WM but the matches weren't that good. The IC title needs a good match at WM, the biggest stage of them all. I love the MIB but it focuses on the 2 main titles. Ignoring the IC and even the US titles shows that the WWE doesn't care about them. I know aomw of you don't care about the US title but I'm for it now; I hated WCW but the lineage of the US title pre-WWF/E is a historic one. The IC title should not be ignored at WM, therefore JBL or somebody needs beat Punk for the IC title OR Punk needs to defend his title and wrestle in the MIB. Another possibility is since this has leaked that somebody will wrestle Punk for the title on RAW and defeat him and then JBL can come to chalenge that person that night for a match next week or for a match at WM. Obviously the chalenger has to be somebody not in the MIB. Frankly I believe that the whistle blower is probably somebody who isn't to fond of JBL or this idea and he or she knew if it was leaked the WWE would scratch their plans. The same goes for the US title, Smackdown should pick someone from all the contenders surrounding the US title to defeat Benjamin for the US title and then have that peroson defend it at WM. Remember WM is 4 hours long, there is time and room for a MIB, IC tilte defense, US title defense, Hardy vs Hardy, 3 world titles HHH and Orton, ena Big Show and Edge, and, Christian and Swagger, UT Michaels, Jericho Legend, Womans Title unificaion and Tag title unification.

 

[Harthan]

I really hope it goes through even though it's been leaked. This is the greatest problem with the internet - if something really good gets leaked, it might get canceled. I just hope they do go through with this and make JBL the Intercontinental champion, which is a fantastic place for him. JBL gets a lot of legit hate, mostly because he plays the heel character so damn well that you want to hate him outside of kayfabe.

I hear that he "can't wrestle"...but he can. He does just fine in the ring for a midcarder/upper midcarder. He did fine as a champion. He's not going to leave anyone awed with his ability, but he's a solid wrestler. Really, I fail to see how everyone worships Regal and hates JBL when they're so similar in the ring, and JBL is far superior on the mic. He has the mic skills to hang with any main eventer, and when he brings that skill down to the midcard, he'll be a beast.

Every week when JBL comes out, he delivers a top rate promo. He was fantastic throughout the entire Shawn Michaels storyline, and then delivered with fairly good matches (the Raw match being much better than NWO). I'm not going to hide from it - Shawn was a big part of the matches. JBL can't carry a match on his own, but he doesn't need to be carried either. He just needs a good opponent to work with, and he'll deliver.

So, all this said, JBL is the perfect man to hold the IC Championship. He's physically declining, but still good in the ring, and is at the point where the best thing for him is to step down and feud with young faces to put them over, and I'm glad he apparently accepts that. He can still deliver on good matches with the young guys, and he'll give the Intercontinental championship a chance to be defended at WrestleMania, which will be great. I could see Kofi or Rey being his opponent, and both would deliver on a solid undercard match.

So here's hoping they go through with it.

 

[kingofmyworld]

I'm thinkin the MITB is looking watered down this year with Henry and another certain someone who isnt officially added until next year. There are still 2 more spots and if the other 2 weren't wasting 2 spots already then I'd say give JBL the title against Punk but have it set up were he wants in the MITB as well and have the stipulation if he beats Punk for the IC title then hell get in MITB and have to defend the title as well in it, but since that won't happen. I could see JBL winning the title, I don't like JBL at all but WWE does so at least WWE would be showing they care about the title by putting it on him, but then who would be left to challenge for the title at Mania since Punk is in MITB?

 

[Blade]

I really hope it goes through even though it's been leaked. This is the greatest problem with the internet - if something really good gets leaked, it might get canceled. I just hope they do go through with this and make JBL the Intercontinental champion, which is a fantastic place for him. JBL gets a lot of legit hate, mostly because he plays the heel character so damn well that you want to hate him outside of kayfabe.

I hear that he "can't wrestle"...but he can. He does just fine in the ring for a midcarder/upper midcarder. He did fine as a champion. He's not going to leave anyone awed with his ability, but he's a solid wrestler. Really, I fail to see how everyone worships Regal and hates JBL when they're so similar in the ring, and JBL is far superior on the mic. He has the mic skills to hang with any main eventer, and when he brings that skill down to the midcard, he'll be a beast.

Of course he can wrestle. Every WWE wrestler can wrestle, otherwise they wouldn't be allowed into the ring. The thing about JBL is that he wrestles badly. Yeah he can cut a great promo. But for months now, JBL's matches have consisted of him doing the same 3 moves over and over; Punch, kick and clothesline. Maybe that should just count as 1 move since punches and kicks aren't really wrestling moves...
Anyway, even HBK couldn't carry the guy to a non-boring match. You can blame some of the boringness on the predictability of the match, but it might have somethin to with JBL dominating the match, doing his 3 (1?) moves over and over.

Every week when JBL comes out, he delivers a top rate promo. He was fantastic throughout the entire Shawn Michaels storyline, and then delivered with fairly good matches (the Raw match being much better than NWO). I'm not going to hide from it - Shawn was a big part of the matches. JBL can't carry a match on his own, but he doesn't need to be carried either. He just needs a good opponent to work with, and he'll deliver.

Shawn was a big part of the match? Shawn was the match. Nobody cared about JBL, it was all about HBK. You could've put any heel who can cut a good promo in JBL's place and it would've been the same. Actually, wait, no, there would've been one pretty big difference. The matches would've been much better as we would've seen the heel do more than 3 moves. And it would've been easier to look at since JBL's body is so out of shape it's disgusting.

So, all this said, JBL is the perfect man to hold the IC Championship. He's physically declining, but still good in the ring, and is at the point where the best thing for him is to step down and feud with young faces to put them over, and I'm glad he apparently accepts that. He can still deliver on good matches with the young guys, and he'll give the Intercontinental championship a chance to be defended at WrestleMania, which will be great. I could see Kofi or Rey being his opponent, and both would deliver on a solid undercard match.

So what you're saying is, the Intercontinental title should be used to help put younger guys over, yet it shoud go on JBL? Hmm...
The worst thing for the IC title would be to put it on JBL. The IC title got it's reputation as the title held by the best midcarders in the business, midcarders that would go onto become world champions. So why put it on JBL, an out-of shape, 42 year old who takes 10 second breaks between every move he does? The IC title deserves better. It should be on a rising star, not someone who, in your own words, is "declining".

 

[realblackhart]

I'm thinkin the MITB is looking watered down this year with Henry and another certain someone who isnt officially added until next year. There are still 2 more spots and if the other 2 weren't wasting 2 spots already then I'd say give JBL the title against Punk but have it set up were he wants in the MITB as well and have the stipulation if he beats Punk for the IC title then hell get in MITB and have to defend the title as well in it, but since that won't happen. I could see JBL winning the title, I don't like JBL at all but WWE does so at least WWE would be showing they care about the title by putting it on him, but then who would be left to challenge for the title at Mania since Punk is in MITB?

I'm thinking that now Cody and Dibase have enough heat on them and one of them can chalenge JBL for the IC title. Granted they are both heels but Legacy are super heels if there is a such a term and Cody could chalenge for the IC title. Mysterio or Kofi are still possibilities. It would do Mysterio and the IC title some good if he had it. Kofi has had a shot already, so if it were up to me I would chose Mysterio or Cody.

 

[The Todd]

I think the fact it was pulled from Raw in the first place means there is little chance of it happening. Say that segment does take place this week, and he wins the title the week after, that leaves two Raw's left until WrestleMania, that is two weeks to have someone challenge JBL to the title match (Mysterio probably), two weeks to build up the feud and two weeks to get people interested in it, all whilst promoting two title matches and a HBK Taker match on Raw anyway. They have either left it too late, or it will be too much of a rushed storyline that will fail dramatically.

With the draft two weeks after Mania, mid card titles should be forgotten about until then, and with new talent everywhere credibility can be brought back to the belts then.

As for JBL at Mania, personally I say fuck him, leave him off the show, there are more deserving people in line but him being a "high-up" in the locker room, he will be in there somewhere. Just him fighting Mysterio not for the belt would be better as it can be given more time to build up.

 

[Harthan]

Of course he can wrestle. Every WWE wrestler can wrestle, otherwise they wouldn't be allowed into the ring. The thing about JBL is that he wrestles badly.

Clearly, the phrase "JBL can wrestle" was implied to mean that "JBL can wrestle well". It's pretty hard to take out of context.

Yeah he can cut a great promo.

He certainly can.

But for months now, JBL's matches have consisted of him doing the same 3 moves over and over; Punch, kick and clothesline.

Since when exactly does the number of moves you do matter to how good of a wrestler you are? If you tell a good story in the ring, draw heat, and make it look good, how are you not a good wrestler? I see Bradshaw do all these things in every match he has. Besides, he uses far more moves that that - I've seen him drop the elbow, use a variety of pinning maneuvers, whip his opponent over the ropes, use a bear hug, hit a big boot, and more.

Maybe that should just count as 1 move since punches and kicks aren't really wrestling moves...

They inflict damage in the ring. Tell me how that's not a wresting move.

Anyway, even HBK couldn't carry the guy to a non-boring match. You can blame some of the boringness on the predictability of the match, but it might have somethin to with JBL dominating the match, doing his 3 (1?) moves over and over.

A good heel shouldn't use a lot of flashy flips and off the rope moves. Those are moves for faces to look cool and get cheered. The best heels use basic, simple, moves that dismantle their opponents.

Shawn was a big part of the match? Shawn was the match. Nobody cared about JBL, it was all about HBK.

Really, no one cared? If no one cared about JBL, then why should anyone care about HBK winning? JBL drew all the heat onto him, made himself look like a gigantic asshole, got the crowd to hate the shit out of him, and then made HBK look great by kicking his ass. That's kind of what heels do.

You could've put any heel who can cut a good promo in JBL's place and it would've been the same.

Not really, actually, because JBL's character is the only one who fit the story, which worked doubly well because it rang true with all the blue collar Americans who watched it and got behind HBK for it, and hated JBL for representing the corporate big wigs they've come to despise. JBL was the only one who could have pulled it off. The better way to say that, really, would be that you could have exchanged HBK for anyone and had the same result.

Actually, wait, no, there would've been one pretty big difference. The matches would've been much better as we would've seen the heel do more than 3 moves.

Refer to the above.

And it would've been easier to look at since JBL's body is so out of shape it's disgusting.

JBL's trimmed a lot of fat since returning, so I don't get this complaint. His body looks like that of an average tall man - he's not ripped, but he's not really fat.

So what you're saying is, the Intercontinental title should be used to help put younger guys over, yet it shoud go on JBL? Hmm...

Maybe because in order to get someone over, they have to beat someone established. It's a fact. So if an established heel gets the title, raising the prestige in the process, enters a feud with an up and coming face, and puts that face over, tell me how that wouldn't get the young face over?

The worst thing for the IC title would be to put it on JBL.

The worst thing would be to put it on Hornswoggle, actually, but carry on.

The IC title got it's reputation as the title held by the best midcarders in the business, midcarders that would go onto become world champions.

You and I both know the IC title doesn't mean shit near that anymore. It's a midcard title, and its holders may or may not go on to be world champion. Some do, some don't - it's not the title, it's the booking. JBL can be used to hold the title and get young faces over with feuds for it. I'd like to know how getting an established heel put over young faces is a bad idea at all.

So why put it on JBL, an out-of shape, 42 year old who takes 10 second breaks between every move he does?

Because he can put over young guys?

The IC title deserves better.

Not really, actually. It deserves to be a midcard title and be held by midcarders, and to get midcarders over.

It should be on a rising star, not someone who, in your own words, is "declining".

And how do you propose to keep the title only on "rising stars", but not let the "rising stars" feud with established guys, and yet somehow get over? No one gets over by destroying midcarders their whole career. Except Goldberg, but that's a different conversation. Young guys need to go over established guys, and if you get an established guy to step down to the midcard and put those guys over, it will get them over, and restore the prestige the IC title that you seem to be so concerned about.

 

[Vintage Nick]

Well, according to Wiki, JBL will become a Triple Crown champ if he wins the Intercontinental Title. I don't know if a Triple Crown champ has gotten their final belt at Wrestlemania, so maybe JBL will be the guy to win it that night, thus making history? If they make that happen, then I hate to say this, but they'd have to pull Punk out of MitB. Besides, we know he's not going to win it since he has done so before.

I don't know, WWE is taking the ******ed swerve these days.

 

[klunderbunker]

It won't be the first to win the third belt at Mania because Shawn did that.

I think this could be good as putting two former world champions in a feud over tehbelt could work. This feud bombed last time but maybe this would be a bit better. If nothing else this is good because it gets JBL out of the main event. Punk is a better fit right now with the IC belt so the feud would seem more natural. These two shouldn't be in the main event right now so a midcard feud would be great.

 

[realblackhart]

It won't be the first to win the third belt at Mania because Shawn did that.

I think this could be good as putting two former world champions in a feud over tehbelt could work. This feud bombed last time but maybe this would be a bit better. If nothing else this is good because it gets JBL out of the main event. Punk is a better fit right now with the IC belt so the feud would seem more natural. These two shouldn't be in the main event right now so a midcard feud would be great.

He means the first to win the IC belt as his 3rd belt at WM.

JBL doesn't seem to me as a guy who should be making history. This is the same guy who was Justin Hawk Bradshaw, Black Jack Bradsaw, Bradshaw from the APA, and the guy who hit Blue Meanie just because he could. Yes he can cut a great promo, and he has a devasting closeline for a finisher but it's still a closeline. Punk can give the IC title prestige if he defended it or feuded with it. Mysterio would do much better since a lot of guys see him as a target. They should make him defend it successfully for a long time and have him slowly reclimb the ladder. Bradshaw can fight Mysterio for the #1 contender, have Mysterio win and then defeat Punk the following week, and then if they wish JBL can fight Mysterio at WM. I trully believe the next IC champ should be Mysterio. Legacy should then make Mysterio a target after WM and the HHH feud is over and Cody should fued with Mysterio.

and Blade and Hathan JBL also has the Fall Away Slam, and Fall Away Slam from the middle rope, that's about it you guys named the rest, lol.

 

[Blade]

Clearly, the phrase "JBL can wrestle" was implied to mean that "JBL can wrestle well". It's pretty hard to take out of context.

Yeah, but I hate that whole 'he can or can't wrestle' thing to describe someone's ability. Kinda simplifies it too much. But that sentence was nothing against you.

He certainly can.

Glad we agree on something

Since when exactly does the number of moves you do matter to how good of a wrestler you are? If you tell a good story in the ring, draw heat, and make it look good, how are you not a good wrestler? I see Bradshaw do all these things in every match he has. Besides, he uses far more moves that that - I've seen him drop the elbow, use a variety of pinning maneuvers, whip his opponent over the ropes, use a bear hug, hit a big boot, and more.

So now we're counting pinning and irish whips as a move? And I'm pretty sure a big boot is just a kick.... but higher.

They inflict damage in the ring. Tell me how that's not a wresting move.

Wrestling moves are, in my opinion, defined as moves that were created for wrestling. Punches and kicks were around long before wrestling.

A good heel shouldn't use a lot of flashy flips and off the rope moves. Those are moves for faces to look cool and get cheered. The best heels use basic, simple, moves that dismantle their opponents.

I never said they should use "flashy flips". But he's a big guy, surely he should be able to use an array powerful moves, which I'm guessing are just as good if not better than the punch/kick/clothesline routine for dismantling opponents. And he doesn't use moves that would generally be considered "heel moves" such as back and eye rakes etc...

Really, no one cared? If no one cared about JBL, then why should anyone care about HBK winning? JBL drew all the heat onto him, made himself look like a gigantic asshole, got the crowd to hate the shit out of him, and then made HBK look great by kicking his ass. That's kind of what heels do.

People cared about HBK winning... cause it's HBK winning. JBL wasn't getting so much heat cause of him and his character and how extremely evil he was. He was getting heat cause he was doing it all to HBK, one of the most beloved guys in the company. I remember watching Raws a few months ago, before the feud with HBK. JBL was still the evil rich guy being mean to people, but he got considerably less heat. Which should show that people only cared about the angle cause HBK was in it.

Not really, actually, because JBL's character is the only one who fit the story, which worked doubly well because it rang true with all the blue collar Americans who watched it and got behind HBK for it, and hated JBL for representing the corporate big wigs they've come to despise. JBL was the only one who could have pulled it off. The better way to say that, really, would be that you could have exchanged HBK for anyone and had the same result.

See above

JBL's trimmed a lot of fat since returning, so I don't get this complaint. His body looks like that of an average tall man - he's not ripped, but he's not really fat.

No professional athlete's body should move around that much unintentionally while the athlete is doing his job. JBL seems to care more about the appearance of his hair than his upper body. Although maybe he just has naturally good looking hair, in which case ignore the last sentence.

Maybe because in order to get someone over, they have to beat someone established. It's a fact. So if an established heel gets the title, raising the prestige in the process, enters a feud with an up and coming face, and puts that face over, tell me how that wouldn't get the young face over?

Not true. The Rock vs HHH when they were feuding over the Intercontinental title got them both over. The Rock had recently broke free from his Rocky Maivia persona and Triple H was trying to step out of the shadow of HBK. Neither were established, both were very over after the feud.

The worst thing would be to put it on Hornswoggle, actually, but carry on.

Now who's taking things out of context?

You and I both know the IC title doesn't mean shit near that anymore. It's a midcard title, and its holders may or may not go on to be world champion. Some do, some don't - it's not the title, it's the booking. JBL can be used to hold the title and get young faces over with feuds for it. I'd like to know how getting an established heel put over young faces is a bad idea at all.

If JBL held onto the title after feuding with a few different young guys, we'd end up in a situation where JBL would start a feud with one young guy, people would get behind the young, making him over. JBL would win the feud with the young guy, the people would give up, and move on to the next young guy. And where would the first young guy be? Right back where he started. The only one to benefit would be JBL. And whichever young guy would be able to eventually take the title.

Because he can put over young guys?

See above.

And how do you propose to keep the title only on "rising stars", but not let the "rising stars" feud with established guys, and yet somehow get over? No one gets over by destroying midcarders their whole career. Except Goldberg, but that's a different conversation. Young guys need to go over established guys, and if you get an established guy to step down to the midcard and put those guys over, it will get them over, and restore the prestige the IC title that you seem to be so concerned about.

Look back to my Rock/HHH point. Young guys can put each other over if they work hard, in which case they very much deserve to be over.

 

[Phoenix]

I read it was pulled due to time restraints and was then reduced to the blog. I think that they put a Divas match instead of this purely shows how they really don't care about:
a. The IC Title
b. JBL

Well, according to Wiki, JBL will become a Triple Crown champ if he wins the Intercontinental Title. I don't know if a Triple Crown champ has gotten their final belt at Wrestlemania, so maybe JBL will be the guy to win it that night, thus making history? If they make that happen, then I hate to say this, but they'd have to pull Punk out of MitB. Besides, we know he's not going to win it since he has done so before.

I don't know, WWE is taking the ******ed swerve these days.

The only way JBL would make history as a Triple Crown Winner is if he had won the Tag Titles at Wrestlemania, currently only Yokozuna has come close with winning the WWE and Tag Titles, no-one has ever left Wrestlemania a Triple Crowner (with all the titles being won at WM). Also JBL has only walked in as a champion, he's never left it a winner with a title.

 

[AgeOfOrton]

As ive read on numerous sights Vince is heavily trying to crack down on spoilers on the net after the Matt Hardy swerve at the Royal Rumble so this could be a decoy but i wouldnt be suprised that the storyline will happen as J.B.L has no involvement at wrestlemania and C.M Punk is in the money in the back ladder match and is not defending the intercontinental championship.