I had this idea today, Benoit goes to raw reform The 4 horse men, members include Him as the leader, WGTT (Hass and Benjamin), and a fourth who I haven't decided yet. (Must be a TECHNICAL WRESTLER). Fued with HBK (DX when Trips get back). Their reason is to bring the honor back into wrestling. Similar to Bret Harts reason when he was heel. Flair turns down Benoit's offer to join The Horse because he doesn't agree with their motive or something along those lines. Making Flair an X factor in their fued to add a future twist in things done the line. What do you think?
The Chris Benoit Situation
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Kasey
Connoiseur of the MILF
Chris Benoit should've never left. They took one of the key players from Raw who they practically re-invented/re-invigorated with an awesome (but badly planned) title run in 2004 and shipped him off to the other show where he was relegated to a midcard talent. Whoever masterminded this whole thing should have their ass kicked up between their shoulder blades. It's obvious now by his piss-poor performances that just plain boring that Benoit doesn't give two pieces of damn about being on Smackdown. Maybe a return to Raw will lift him out of this performance coma. If that doesn't do the job, then he just needs to retire, because his matches have sucked ass for nigh on a year. I don't care how technically sound one of his umpteen matches against a guy like Finlay is if it just bores me to death. Send him to Raw and do something with him, or just let him out of his contract altogether so he can go somewhere (TNA or Japan) that he actually performs well in. The one thing I do know is that Benoit and Smackdown mix like oil and water at this point.
bigbossman316
Occasional Pre-Show
So its seems Benoit is coming back earlier than expected. Hes takin on cena in a match next week on raw. Its good to know that they keeping him up on wwe champion level. Benoit doesnt belong as a midcarder but i cant see the wwe doing anything with him on raw because lets face it the guy lacks charisma and thats what matters on raww and in the wwe
crossface91
Dark Match Jobber
chris benoit is the greatest wrestler in wwe today,but imo he is extremly stale and could be used better if he was heel. i wouldnt be suprised if he went to tna where he would be used properly.
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BatistaBomb123
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I think a move to RAW would be great for Benoit. Then he can face fresh opponents he hasn't faced in a long time and an IC title run.
Unrated Superstar
Thufferin' Thuccatash!
Do my eyes deceive me? Did this really happen? How the hell are you gonna have Chris Benoit tap out to John Cena? Oh wow, so Cena gets forced into a submission match against Kurt Angle and Chris Masters and slaps some random submission on Masters, making him tap out, and now apparently he's the greatest technical wrestler of all time. He made Edge tap out, Triple H, and now Chris Benoit because he's got a submission move with a catchy name. Now Benoit...for argument's sake, let's forget how long Benoit's been in the business, let's forget he's a former world champion and how respected he is. His claim to fame is being a technical wrestler, and you make him tap out to someone like John Cena? I can't remember the last time Benoit tapped out to anyone since The Rock at Fully Loaded in 2000, and the referee didn't even see it so it didn't count anyway. And may I add that that made no sense either, although I did enjoy The Rock.
Ugh...what happened to Benoit's career? He was the WHC, and now he's the US champ, loses to Ken Kennedy in under 6 minutes(don't get me wrong, I am a Kennedy fan but come on...)...now he has to tap to Cena. Not to mention he's probably gonna have to lose to MVP at Wrestlemania for the sake of dropping the US title. This is worse than Chris Masters losing his unbroken finisher streak, especially when you take into account that Benoit is way better than Masters and actually deserves to get somewhere (no, I'm not a Masters hater, but if you want my thoughts on him you can read my post under the claim to fame gone thread).
In closing, I'm asking this...am I the only one who is outraged at what has become of Benoit, particularly this most recent occurance?
If you think Chris Benoit deserves better than tapping out to a punk like Cena, gimme a hell yeah, please.
Ugh...what happened to Benoit's career? He was the WHC, and now he's the US champ, loses to Ken Kennedy in under 6 minutes(don't get me wrong, I am a Kennedy fan but come on...)...now he has to tap to Cena. Not to mention he's probably gonna have to lose to MVP at Wrestlemania for the sake of dropping the US title. This is worse than Chris Masters losing his unbroken finisher streak, especially when you take into account that Benoit is way better than Masters and actually deserves to get somewhere (no, I'm not a Masters hater, but if you want my thoughts on him you can read my post under the claim to fame gone thread).
In closing, I'm asking this...am I the only one who is outraged at what has become of Benoit, particularly this most recent occurance?
If you think Chris Benoit deserves better than tapping out to a punk like Cena, gimme a hell yeah, please.
HELL YEAH!!! I was utterly disgusted at the sight. I had figured Cena would win the damn match because there's no way he'll lose heading into Wrestlemania... but a win over Benoit via submission!?!?!? What an outrage. John Cena doesn't deserve to lace Chris Benoit's boots. Benoit is one of the greatest technicians in the ring that has ever stepped between the ropes and John Cena has his job because little kids and screaming teenage girls think he is cool (for some unknown reason). The outcome of that match was seriously wrong and it makes me ashamed that I even viewed it.
Unrated Superstar
Thufferin' Thuccatash!
Although I'm not a John Cena fan by any stretch of the imagination, you're wrong about one thing when it comes to Cena. It's not just little kids and screaming teenage girls who think he's cool...he's also got the whole wigger community on his side. But that's alright, he can have them.
But all kidding aside Ted, i agree with you 100%.
But all kidding aside Ted, i agree with you 100%.
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kevitudev1
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Man someone needs to shoot WWE Writers thats just disrespectful to Benoit. I wouldn't want a HBK heel turn but they should have had cena win by dq as hbk kicks his head off..
I'm not a Cena hater at all. But he has not earned his status either. They have allowed him to wipe out almost every legendary person on the roster x.x and thats not right at all.
With that said. Cena is entertaining. He's got the technical ability of a pile of horse shit but still he's the kinda wrestler that is a sports entertainer.
I will Riot if HBK loses to him aswell i swear i'll be heading to the survivor series tour and start a effin revelution!
I'm not a Cena hater at all. But he has not earned his status either. They have allowed him to wipe out almost every legendary person on the roster x.x and thats not right at all.
With that said. Cena is entertaining. He's got the technical ability of a pile of horse shit but still he's the kinda wrestler that is a sports entertainer.
I will Riot if HBK loses to him aswell i swear i'll be heading to the survivor series tour and start a effin revelution!
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Catlmutln187
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Hmm.........This is ridicolous, John Cena was in OVW six years ago, Chris Benoit still had the reputation he has now at that point. I know, I know, Push the new guys forget about the old guys but Benoit Can still go, his matches with Finley were really good but wow, They always talk about how Chris Benoit is one of the greatest Mat Technicians of all time but I 100% agree that he deserves way more then this, John Cena Has Mainevented the last 3 wrestlemanias but chances are will never be in Benoits League.
Vince thinks that in order to push people he needs to make others look real bad. He did it with Benoit and Masters on Raw this week. He gives the titles to people like Lashley and Batista who can't wrestle and cut a promo if their lives depended on it. Yes Chris Benoit has no mic skills at all but at least he can wrestle bette then 99% of the roster (I would say it is between HBK and Benoit).
I'm getting real sick of watching Vince push people like Batista, Umaga, Lashley, and The Not So Great Khali. People who didn't earn anything to get where they are now. He needs to have Undertaker and HBK take the belts off of Cena and Batista at Wrestlemania and restore some sort of order.
Its Weds and I'm still shocked the WWE writers had Benoit tap to JOHN CENA!!!!!!!!!!! Cena has 4 moves thats it. I pray that HBK kicks his teeth in on April 1st but knowing the writers these days he will probably tap like Triple H last year and Benoit this past Monday.
I'm getting real sick of watching Vince push people like Batista, Umaga, Lashley, and The Not So Great Khali. People who didn't earn anything to get where they are now. He needs to have Undertaker and HBK take the belts off of Cena and Batista at Wrestlemania and restore some sort of order.
Its Weds and I'm still shocked the WWE writers had Benoit tap to JOHN CENA!!!!!!!!!!! Cena has 4 moves thats it. I pray that HBK kicks his teeth in on April 1st but knowing the writers these days he will probably tap like Triple H last year and Benoit this past Monday.
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kevitudev1
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i'm tired tired tired of wwe making good wrestlers loose to people that don't deserve to beat them...first triple h is made into batista's bitch and drops the title only to have batista beat down weekly by jbl...is jbl better than hhh? hell fricken no! now cena makes benoit tap....no one makes benoit tap...i remember bret hart doin it in wcw and rock doin it in 2000 but it's hard to remember anyone else doing the deed....bottom line cena is not good enough to make someone like benoit tap...and that's why i'm just about done with wwe...they push guys that suck and leave the good wrestlers at the bottom of the rung...TNA all the way...look what they did to christian who is actually an amazing wrestler...but wwe never gave him the shot he needed
on a side note...if batista beats undertaker at wrestlemania i'm never watching wwe programing again....that would be the ultimate sign of disrespect
on a side note...if batista beats undertaker at wrestlemania i'm never watching wwe programing again....that would be the ultimate sign of disrespect
Capt. Charisma
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Its just getting beyond a joke now, I was never a Benoit fantatic but i know what hes done for the business. I dont understand why WWE leave guys a guy like benoit in the middle card when he clearly has more wrestling ability than all 3 combined. The match itself was awful, Benoit had to carry Cena and since Benoit has been looking not all that impressive (compared to how he used to) lately it was pointless. They may aswel just have made it a squash match for they have tarnished Benoits reputation, and i know that a lot of benoit fans will be pissed off about it. And how do WWE 'make it up' to Benoit fans? by having Helms get squashed by benoit on smackdown, a guy that has more in-ring ability than pretty much the entire smackdown roster (except benoit of course) that they have pushed for a year well and now thats all down the drain the writers dont have an fookin clue what they are doing... I like the idea of boycotting WWE programing, i think a lot of fans are thinking of doing it because of the Batista/Undertaker potential job.
WWE has made it blatantly clear that they are focused on sports entertainment not wrestling. The business is moving in a new direction. WWE wants to make money and that comes with popularity, not skill. They will make alot of money with guys like cena and batista along with the k-fed and trump angles. Benoit tapping to Cena was a sign that they are leaving the wrestling fans behind and are much more focused on having an "entertainment show". What happened to Chris Benoit was disgusting. I want michaels and taker to win at wrestlemania but if they will do that to chris benoit then they will do it to anybody.
The only time I remember benoit tapping was to TNA star kurt angle at the
"03" Rumble for the championship. Speaking of TNA, that is were benoit should go to give his career a wake-up call.
The only time I remember benoit tapping was to TNA star kurt angle at the
"03" Rumble for the championship. Speaking of TNA, that is were benoit should go to give his career a wake-up call.
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kevitudev1
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I dont usually agree with pro TNA but yep all WWE's stars who arent getting what they deserve should go.
Cena is NOT more popular than Benoit.. Lol hell everytime Cena comes out half the crowd are on his ass and half are beating it. If good popularity is having a crowd confusion then hell i'd rather be hated.
Benoit is respected while Cena.. lol just isn't i dont hate him as i said earlier. but this is like the brock lesnar story. too high up too quickly.
Cena is NOT more popular than Benoit.. Lol hell everytime Cena comes out half the crowd are on his ass and half are beating it. If good popularity is having a crowd confusion then hell i'd rather be hated.
Benoit is respected while Cena.. lol just isn't i dont hate him as i said earlier. but this is like the brock lesnar story. too high up too quickly.
Capt. Charisma
Getting Noticed By Management
The difference of course been Brock Lesnar could actualy wrestle... Its well known that Benoit does not like politics and the amount of politics going on with pushing Cena over everyone else in WWE atm then it would not be suprising if he leaves at the end of his contract, whenever that may be
OK, OK, OK........you guys forget that Kurt Angle made Benoit tap like 5 times? They had a Submission Iron Man and a WWE Title Match together, both of which were won by Kurt.
DO you know why Kurt made Benoit tap? Because he's an OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST in a sport where submission moves are essential to victory!!!!!
Cena is some punk........
Cena can't wrestle........
Cena is not interesting......
Cena is garbage........
He tries to make the STF look cool!!! It's not supposed to look cool, it's supposed to HURT!!!!!!!!!!!!
To make Benoit tap to Cena is stupid. Benoit has somehow found a way to reverse everything into the Crossface. He could of did that against Cena.
Also, Cena reverse out of the Crossface!!!!! A rope break would suffice. But no, Cena is apparently a Super Saiyan or something!!!!!
on a side note......if Batista beats Undertaker at Wrestlemania, not only will I stop watching WWE, but suffer through iMPACT! every week.
DO you know why Kurt made Benoit tap? Because he's an OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST in a sport where submission moves are essential to victory!!!!!
Cena is some punk........
Cena can't wrestle........
Cena is not interesting......
Cena is garbage........
He tries to make the STF look cool!!! It's not supposed to look cool, it's supposed to HURT!!!!!!!!!!!!
To make Benoit tap to Cena is stupid. Benoit has somehow found a way to reverse everything into the Crossface. He could of did that against Cena.
Also, Cena reverse out of the Crossface!!!!! A rope break would suffice. But no, Cena is apparently a Super Saiyan or something!!!!!
on a side note......if Batista beats Undertaker at Wrestlemania, not only will I stop watching WWE, but suffer through iMPACT! every week.
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Its just not the whole Benoit tapping out that is the problem. It is Bobby Lashley too. He squashed Masters last night on ECW and on Smackdown this week he put both Kennedy and Orton through tables. I never thought I would say this but I want Umaga to beat him at Wrestlemania.
WWE is getting way to predictable everyone knew Benoit was going to lose to Cena on Raw. Most of us were on this board bitching about it last week. Everyone knows that Lashley is never going to lose thats why no one watches ECW and its the reason I turned off Raw during the Masterlock Challenge. I'm just tired of watching Batista, Cena, and Lashley squash people week in and week out. Cena in the last month has made Orton, Edge, and Benoit look like chumps. Batista seems to always be fighting Booker T, and Finlay and and Lashley beats everyone. CHANGE THINGS UP AND SHOCK US at Wrestlemania. I'm hoping for wins by HBK, Undertaker and Umaga (yuck).
Its just not the whole Benoit tapping out that is the problem. It is Bobby Lashley too. He squashed Masters last night on ECW and on Smackdown this week he put both Kennedy and Orton through tables. I never thought I would say this but I want Umaga to beat him at Wrestlemania.
WWE is getting way to predictable everyone knew Benoit was going to lose to Cena on Raw. Most of us were on this board bitching about it last week. Everyone knows that Lashley is never going to lose thats why no one watches ECW and its the reason I turned off Raw during the Masterlock Challenge. I'm just tired of watching Batista, Cena, and Lashley squash people week in and week out. Cena in the last month has made Orton, Edge, and Benoit look like chumps. Batista seems to always be fighting Booker T, and Finlay and and Lashley beats everyone. CHANGE THINGS UP AND SHOCK US at Wrestlemania. I'm hoping for wins by HBK, Undertaker and Umaga (yuck).
Man, you guys are unbelievable... Of course WWE is going to focus more on Sports-Entertainment and less on wrestling, because that's what the majority of people want to see. And what people want to see gets WWE ratings, which gets them better advertisers and more money from advertisers, which gets them better contracts and allows them to build a better reputation in the entertainment industry. If they didn't do this, then they would be out of business or they would be passed by TNA by the end of the decade. They need to do whatever they can do stay on top, and that means focusing more on entertainment - hence the upstart of WWE Films... if you guys don't realize that, then you should stop watching WWE. But it's OK, considering you're a minority.
I don't think WWE's intent was to alienate a segment of their fans, but you have to understand it's necessary for a guy like Cena to be on top. The majority actually likes him, and he does have wrestling skills, contrary to popular belief on this forum, he just wrestles an 80s type brawler style. I think you guys are forgetting Hogan never showed any semblance of wrestling skills in his North American matches, and all Austin did was punch and kick for a period in the late ninetees but those guys were insanely popular.
Cena's actually shown some semblance of skills and improvement since he came to WWE... adding a move or two to his repertoire every once in a while, being able to tell a better story in the ring and bringing a lot of energy to his matches.
But just because he can't mat wrestle better than Benoit doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to beat him. Quite simply, Cena's a bigger star right now. Benoit doesn't have as much left in his tank and he can't draw nearly as well as Cena. It's that simple.
Everyone who thinks it's a travesty that Cena made Benoit tap is obviously a traditionalist who's afraid of change... but the truth is this is an evolving industry, and with the future threats that are knocking on WWE's door, they need to dispel some of those traditions and focus on the future.
Blunty put, do you honestly think a casual fan wants to watch Chris Benoit wrestle? Do you even think they know who he is (regardless of how he's being pushed)? Putting him on top is not the way to go, it's not even the best thing for benoit. Another world title run would probably be worse for his career... as no one would care.
Cena is the future of the WWE, it's clear as day. He's overcome so much adversity, and he's still doing it. It's uncanny that he's been able to stick around with all those malicious chants he used to have against him. But the truth is that a majority likes him... so he's on top and he's there to stay.
I don't think WWE's intent was to alienate a segment of their fans, but you have to understand it's necessary for a guy like Cena to be on top. The majority actually likes him, and he does have wrestling skills, contrary to popular belief on this forum, he just wrestles an 80s type brawler style. I think you guys are forgetting Hogan never showed any semblance of wrestling skills in his North American matches, and all Austin did was punch and kick for a period in the late ninetees but those guys were insanely popular.
Cena's actually shown some semblance of skills and improvement since he came to WWE... adding a move or two to his repertoire every once in a while, being able to tell a better story in the ring and bringing a lot of energy to his matches.
But just because he can't mat wrestle better than Benoit doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to beat him. Quite simply, Cena's a bigger star right now. Benoit doesn't have as much left in his tank and he can't draw nearly as well as Cena. It's that simple.
Everyone who thinks it's a travesty that Cena made Benoit tap is obviously a traditionalist who's afraid of change... but the truth is this is an evolving industry, and with the future threats that are knocking on WWE's door, they need to dispel some of those traditions and focus on the future.
Blunty put, do you honestly think a casual fan wants to watch Chris Benoit wrestle? Do you even think they know who he is (regardless of how he's being pushed)? Putting him on top is not the way to go, it's not even the best thing for benoit. Another world title run would probably be worse for his career... as no one would care.
Cena is the future of the WWE, it's clear as day. He's overcome so much adversity, and he's still doing it. It's uncanny that he's been able to stick around with all those malicious chants he used to have against him. But the truth is that a majority likes him... so he's on top and he's there to stay.
robwylde90
Celtic Warrior
Ok , Cena is quite entertaining but to have a legendary WRESTLER like chris benoit tap out to him, its crazy, hell why couldnt we have just seen the FU that we wer all expecting and yet another match that Cena is carried through yet is allowed to win. and as far as him having to stay on top is concerned, there are far more talented guys like Orton and Edge who could be 10x as popular as cena if given the right push , but wwe wont do that because cena is vince's pet , same with lashley, neither can wrestle in a wrestling industry but because vince likes them they are given huge pushes that even the rock and trips didnt get , like come on , even rock and trips occasionally lost a match huh? think bakc, when was the last time that either lashley or cena put some one over and it wasnt the result of outside factors(edge pinning him aftr the elimination chamber) or after being hit with a weapon (edge vs cena at summerslam 2006) ? Been a while hasnt it ? theres a difference between being on top and being on top always , cena has headlined the last 3 wm's which is just ridiculous, in the last 3 years there has been 1 ppv where he wasnt in either the main event or in a wwe title match and that was at vengenance '06 where he made SABU tap out which in many ways is even worse than benoit tapping to him
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