The Angle Invitational

[Christian Battlez]

The greatest of all time.Care to disagree with me take a look.

Amateur Wrestling

Canadian Cup Championship
-Winner (1990)

Collegiate / High School
-Pennsylvania State Wrestling Champion (1987)
-Clarion University Freshman of the Year (1988)

Espoir World Cup
-Runner-up (1989)

International Federation of Associated Wrestling Styles
-FILA Junior World Freestyle Champion (1988)
-FILA World Freestyle Champion (1995)

National Amateur Wrestling
-National Amateur Wrestling Hall of Fame (Class of 2001)
-National Collegiate Athletic Association
-NCAA Division I All-American (1990–1992)
-NCAA Division I Champion (1990, 1992)
-NCAA Division I runner-up (1991)

Olympic Games
-Summer Olympics gold medal in freestyle wrestling (heavyweight) (1996)

USA Wrestling
-USA Junior Freestyle Champion (1987, 1995, 1996)
-USA Wrestling Hall of Fame (Class of 2001)

World Championships
-Gold medal in freestyle wrestling (heavyweight) (1995)

Yasar Dogu Tournament
-Runner-up (1989)

Professional Wrestling

Cauliflower Alley Club
-Future Legend Award (2000)

Inoki Genome Federation
-IWGP Third Belt Championship (1 time)

Power Pro Wrestling
-PPW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

Pro Wrestling Illustrated
-PWI Comeback of the Year (2003)
-PWI Feud of the Year (2000) vs. Triple H
-PWI Feud of the Year (2003) vs. Brock Lesnar
-PWI Feud of the Year (2007) vs. Samoa Joe
-PWI Match of the Year (2003) vs. Brock Lesnar in a 60-minute Iron Man -match on SmackDown!, September 16
-PWI Match of the Year (2005) vs. Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania 21
-PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year (2000)
-PWI Most Inspirational Wrestler of the Year (2001)
-PWI Most Popular Wrestler of the Year (2003)
-PWI Rookie of the Year (2000)
-PWI Wrestler of the Year (2003)
-PWI ranked him #1 of the top 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2001

Total Nonstop Action Wrestling
-TNA World Heavyweight Championship (3 times, current)
-TNA World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Sting
-TNA X Division Championship (1 time)
-King of the Mountain (2007, 2009)
-Second Triple Crown Champion (1 time)

World Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Entertainment
-WCW United States Championship (1 time)
-WCW World Championship (1 time)
-World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
-WWF/E Championship (4 times)
-WWF European Championship (1 time)
-WWF Hardcore Championship (1 time)
-WWF Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
-WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Chris Benoit
-Tenth Triple Crown Champion
-Fifth Grand Slam Championship
-King of the Ring (2000)

Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
-Best Gimmick (2000)
-Best on Interviews (2002)
-Best Technical Wrestler (2002)
-Feud of the Year (2003) vs. Brock Lesnar
-Match of the Year with Chris Benoit vs. Edge and Rey Mysterio, No Mercy 2002
-Most Improved (2000)
-Most Outstanding Wrestler (2001–2003)
-Readers' Favorite Wrestler (2002–2003)
-Wrestler of the Year (2002)
-Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 2004)

So let me get this straight Angle is in two hall of fames, has 12 world championships to his name. Is the only man in history to hold the WCW,WWE,and TNA championships in his career. Has been a champion in Japan. Has an Olympic Gold Medal in Amateur Wrestling has gotten awards for everything from Interviews to technical ability, to rookie of the year, had multiple matches of the year and has been the best dam worker ever to lace up a pair of boots IMO. If you can think in any way why your favorite wrestler is better than Kurt bring it on. You'll be wrong.

Credit Wikipedia

 

[Sinclair101]

no one ever said Kurt Angle isn't Great... but tbh these day's he Bores me in and out of the ring... he is good on the stick... but he's not great... his in ring work has become stale and so has he...

but that's just my opinion.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Even in his current TNA shape and style, Kurt is still my favorite wrestler today. I love listening to him on the stick, always have, and he is one of the best collegient(sp?) wrestlers to properly make the transistion into Professional Wrestling. But let me ask you something, besides just listing all of his accolades, why don't you just give your actual opinion? Seems like you are open for debate, yet you just copied shit load of wikipedia.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Kurt Angle is the greatest comedy heel of all-time. Why? Because he's ever so slightly funny on occasion. That puts him way, way, way ahead of any other comedy heel ever. He also doesn't try too hard, so if he does fail at being funny, it's not a long way to fall and he doesn't look like a cunt.

The best thing about Kurt Angle is his wrestling style. Some people criticise it for being high impact whether he's a heel or face. I say it's great and it's entertaining. Heels hardly ever come across as dangerous and, despite his size, that's what Angle has always done.

I'm also pretty sure he knows what he's doing, as demonstrated by this superb promo.

[youtube]7ydZDLLtp8Y[/youtube]

 

[Miko]

So the guy has a shit load of amatuer credentials and PWI and internet wrestling geeks cream themselves over him, basically he's Shawn Michaels with amatuer ability.

Not to hate on Kurt Angle you understand but if I was to compile a list of people who I think are the top ten pro wrestlers ever Kurt wouldnt touch it, most of what I'd consider his best matches have come against far better workers like The Rock, or Austin. In fact, I dont think I've seen a Kurt Angle match that I'd call classic.

He's one of the best technical wrestlers of all time? Maybe, Bret Hart and Chris Benoit blow him out of the water in my opinion, call me crazy, but I cant see whats so great about Kurt, sure he'd beat most of todays guys in an amatuer match, but that means bollocks in the fake sport known as pro wrestling.

 

[lokotitus]

Doink The Clown

 

[wetland]

Id like to make a case for ric flair, even though hes 'retired'.

* All Star Pro Wrestling
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* All Japan Pro Wrestling
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Central States Wrestling
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)

* Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling / Jim Crockett Promotions / World Championship Wrestling
o NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Championship (4 times)
o NWA Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Championship (3 times)
o NWA Mid-Atlantic Television Championship (1 time)
o NWA Television Championship (1 time)
o NWA United States Heavyweight Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (5 times)
o NWA World Heavyweight Championship (7 times)
o NWA World Tag Team Championship (Mid-Atlantic version) (3 times)
o WCW International World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)3
o WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
o WCW World Heavyweight Championship (8 times)

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him #2 of the top 500 singles wrestlers of the PWI Years in 2003
o PWI ranked him #3 of the top 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 1991, 1992, and 1994
o Feud of the Year (1987) Four Horsemen vs. Super Powers and Road Warriors[96]
o Feud of the Year (1988, 1990) vs. Lex Luger
o Feud of the Year (1989) vs. Terry Funk
o Match of the Year (1983) vs. Harley Race (June 10)
o Match of the Year (1984) vs. Kerry Von Erich at Parade of Champions 1[97]
o Match of the Year (1986) vs. Dusty Rhodes at The Great American Bash in a steel cage match
o Match of the Year (1989) vs. Ricky Steamboat at WrestleWar
o Match of the Year (2008) vs. Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania XXIV
o Most Hated Wrestler of the Year (1978, 1987)
o Most Inspirational Wrestler of the Year (2008)
o Rookie of the Year (1975)
o Stanley Weston Award (2008)
o Wrestler of the Year (1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1989, 1992)

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o 5 Star Match (1987) vs. Barry Windham at the Jim Crockett Sr. Memorial Cup
o 5 Star Match (1989) vs. Ricky Steamboat at Chi-Town Rumble
o 5 Star Match (1989) vs. Ricky Steamboat in a two out of three falls match at Clash of the Champions VI
o 5 Star Match (1989) vs. Ricky Steamboat at WrestleWar
o 5 Star Match (1989) vs. Terry Funk in an "I Quit" match at Clash of the Champions IX
o 5 Star Match (1991) with Larry Zbyszko, Barry Windham and Sid Vicious vs. Sting, Brian Pillman, Rick Steiner and Scott Steiner in a WarGames match at WrestleWar
o Best Heel (1990)
o Best Interviews (1991, 1992, 1994)
o Feud of the Year (1989) vs. Terry Funk
o Match of the Year (1983) vs. Harley Race in a steel cage match at Starrcade
o Match of the Year (1986) vs. Barry Windham at Battle of the Belts II on February 14
o Match of the Year (1988) vs. Sting at Clash of the Champions I
o Match of the Year (1989) vs. Ricky Steamboat at WrestleWar
o Most Charismatic (1980, 1982–1984, 1993)
o Most Outstanding (1986, 1987, 1989)
o Readers' Favorite Wrestler (1984–1993, 1996)
o Worst Feud of the Year (1990) vs. The Junkyard Dog
o Worst Worked Match of the Year (1996) with Arn Anderson, Meng, The Barbarian, Lex Luger, Kevin Sullivan, Z-Gangsta and The Ultimate Solution vs. Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage in a Towers of Doom match at Uncensored
o Wrestler of the Year (1982–1986, 1989, 1990, 1992)
o Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1996)


Genuinly the best wrestler ever. No-one is even in his league. The best worker by far, brilliant on the mic and part of the best stable ever the four horseman.

 

[DownwardSpiral]

Minus the Amateur stuff...Naming a better Pro Wrestler than Angle is pretty easy. Here's one: Edge.

* Insane Championship Wrestling
o ICW/MWCW Mid-West Unified Tag Team Championship (1 time)[134] – with Joe E. Legend
o ICW Streetfight Tag Team Championship (2 times)[135] – with Christian Cage (2)

* New Tokyo Pro Wrestling
o NTPW Pro Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Christian Cage[136]

* Outlaw Championship Wrestling
o OCW Tag Team Championship (1 time)[citation needed] – with Psycho Joe Sampson

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Comeback of the Year (2004)[137]
o PWI Feud of the Year (2005)[138] vs. Matt Hardy
o PWI Feud of the Year (2006)[138] vs. John Cena
o PWI Match of the Year (2000)[139] with Christian vs. The Hardy Boyz and The Dudley Boyz in a Triangle Ladder match at WrestleMania 2000
o PWI Match of the Year (2001)[139] with Christian vs. The Hardy Boyz and The Dudley Boyz in a Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match at WrestleMania X-Seven
o PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year (2006)[140]
o PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year (2001)[141]
o PWI ranked him #2 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2007[142]

* Southern States Wrestling
o SSW Tag Team Championship (1 time)[3] – with Christian Cage

* World Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Entertainment
o WCW United States Championship (1 time)1[143]
o World Heavyweight Championship (5 times)[144][145][146][147][148]
o WWF/E World Tag Team Championship (12 times, current)[149][150] – with Christian (7), Chris Benoit (2), Randy Orton (1), Hulk Hogan (1), and Chris Jericho (1)
o WWF/E Intercontinental Championship (5 times)[151]
o WWE Championship (4 times)[152][153][154][155]
o WWE Tag Team Championship (2 times, current)[156] – with Rey Mysterio (1) and Chris Jericho (1)
o King of the Ring (2001)[12]
o Mr. Money in the Bank (2005,[13] 20072)[77]
o Slammy Award for Couple of the Year (2008) – with Vickie Guerrero[157]
o Fourteenth Triple Crown Champion

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Match of the Year (2002) with Rey Mysterio vs. Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle at No Mercy
o Tag Team of the Year (2000) with Christian

Here's another one for you: Chris Jericho

* Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre
o NWA World Middleweight Championship (1 time)1[98]

* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Television Championship (1 time)[1]

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Comeback of the Year (2008)
o PWI Feud of the Year with Shawn Michaels (2008)
o PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year (2002, 2008)[99]
o PWI ranked him #4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2002[100]

* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW Cruiserweight Championship (4 times)[1]
o WCW World Television Championship (1 time)[101]

Chris Jericho as the World Heavyweight Champion in November 2008.

* World Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Entertainment
o WCW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)2[102]
o World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)[103][104]
o WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) – with Edge
o WWF European Championship (1 time)[1]
o WWF Hardcore Championship (1 time)[1]
o WWF/E Intercontinental Championship (9 times)[1]
o WWF Undisputed Championship (1 time)3[105]
o WWF/E World Tag Team Championship (4 times, current)[1] – with Chris Benoit (1), The Rock (1), Christian (1), and Edge (1)
o Slammy Award for Superstar of the Year (2008)[74]
o Ninth Triple Crown Champion
o Fourth Grand Slam Championship

* Wrestle Association "R"
o WAR International Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[106]
o WAR International Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship (1 time)[107] – with Gedo

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Best on Interviews (2003, 2008)
o Feud of the Year (2008) vs. Shawn Michaels
o Match of the Year (2008) vs. Shawn Michaels in a Ladder match at No Mercy on October 5
o Most Underrated Wrestler (1999, 2000)
o Readers' Favorite Wrestler (1999)
o Wrestler of the Year (2008)

Oh, and lest we forget one CM Punk. Because hes straightedge. That makes him better than Angle. Good day, sir.

 

[ZeroEmber]

Minus the Amateur stuff...Naming a better Pro Wrestler than Angle is pretty easy. Here's one: Edge.

* Insane Championship Wrestling
o ICW/MWCW Mid-West Unified Tag Team Championship (1 time)[134] – with Joe E. Legend
o ICW Streetfight Tag Team Championship (2 times)[135] – with Christian Cage (2)

* New Tokyo Pro Wrestling
o NTPW Pro Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Christian Cage[136]

* Outlaw Championship Wrestling
o OCW Tag Team Championship (1 time)[citation needed] – with Psycho Joe Sampson

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Comeback of the Year (2004)[137]
o PWI Feud of the Year (2005)[138] vs. Matt Hardy
o PWI Feud of the Year (2006)[138] vs. John Cena
o PWI Match of the Year (2000)[139] with Christian vs. The Hardy Boyz and The Dudley Boyz in a Triangle Ladder match at WrestleMania 2000
o PWI Match of the Year (2001)[139] with Christian vs. The Hardy Boyz and The Dudley Boyz in a Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match at WrestleMania X-Seven
o PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year (2006)[140]
o PWI Most Improved Wrestler of the Year (2001)[141]
o PWI ranked him #2 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2007[142]

* Southern States Wrestling
o SSW Tag Team Championship (1 time)[3] – with Christian Cage

* World Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Entertainment
o WCW United States Championship (1 time)1[143]
o World Heavyweight Championship (5 times)[144][145][146][147][148]
o WWF/E World Tag Team Championship (12 times, current)[149][150] – with Christian (7), Chris Benoit (2), Randy Orton (1), Hulk Hogan (1), and Chris Jericho (1)
o WWF/E Intercontinental Championship (5 times)[151]
o WWE Championship (4 times)[152][153][154][155]
o WWE Tag Team Championship (2 times, current)[156] – with Rey Mysterio (1) and Chris Jericho (1)
o King of the Ring (2001)[12]
o Mr. Money in the Bank (2005,[13] 20072)[77]
o Slammy Award for Couple of the Year (2008) – with Vickie Guerrero[157]
o Fourteenth Triple Crown Champion

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Match of the Year (2002) with Rey Mysterio vs. Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle at No Mercy
o Tag Team of the Year (2000) with Christian

Here's another one for you: Chris Jericho

* Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre
o NWA World Middleweight Championship (1 time)1[98]

* Extreme Championship Wrestling
o ECW World Television Championship (1 time)[1]

* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI Comeback of the Year (2008)
o PWI Feud of the Year with Shawn Michaels (2008)
o PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year (2002, 2008)[99]
o PWI ranked him #4 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2002[100]

* World Championship Wrestling
o WCW Cruiserweight Championship (4 times)[1]
o WCW World Television Championship (1 time)[101]

Chris Jericho as the World Heavyweight Champion in November 2008.

* World Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Entertainment
o WCW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)2[102]
o World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)[103][104]
o WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time, current) – with Edge
o WWF European Championship (1 time)[1]
o WWF Hardcore Championship (1 time)[1]
o WWF/E Intercontinental Championship (9 times)[1]
o WWF Undisputed Championship (1 time)3[105]
o WWF/E World Tag Team Championship (4 times, current)[1] – with Chris Benoit (1), The Rock (1), Christian (1), and Edge (1)
o Slammy Award for Superstar of the Year (2008)[74]
o Ninth Triple Crown Champion
o Fourth Grand Slam Championship

* Wrestle Association "R"
o WAR International Junior Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[106]
o WAR International Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship (1 time)[107] – with Gedo

* Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
o Best on Interviews (2003, 2008)
o Feud of the Year (2008) vs. Shawn Michaels
o Match of the Year (2008) vs. Shawn Michaels in a Ladder match at No Mercy on October 5
o Most Underrated Wrestler (1999, 2000)
o Readers' Favorite Wrestler (1999)
o Wrestler of the Year (2008)

Oh, and lest we forget one CM Punk. Because hes straightedge. That makes him better than Angle. Good day, sir.

And really, he is, edge, jericho are better pro wrestlers, and the proof is in the pudding, as they say, but what i wanna address is the last line of the post

CM Punk is better than Angle in just about the only way that matters, hes the champ of a company that matters.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

And really, he is, edge, jericho are better pro wrestlers, and the proof is in the pudding, as they say, but what i wanna address is the last line of the post

CM Punk is better than Angle in just about the only way that matters, hes the champ of a company that matters.

Hang on just a sec, let's not go completely crazy here. Angle isn't my favorite or anything, but the proof of Edge or Jericho being better is not in the pudding. Not even in the Jell-O I'm afraid. Angle has more legitimate credentials of any pro wrestler in history, it just is what it is. An Olympic Gold Medal goes a helluva long way, no matter which way you slice it. It goes even further considering the guy had a fractured neck when he won it in the first place. Angle has great overall athletic capability and he's cut some pretty good promos in his time. He's arguably the best, overall well rounded pro wrestler I've ever seen.

While I'm not really a fan of TNA, calling CM Punk better than Kurt Angle based upon Punk being the WHC and Angle wrestles for TNA is abso-fucking-lutely ludicrous. You must be under the delusion that Angle going to TNA somehow magically wipes away everything he's done and accomplished. I think Punk has a lot of potential sure, I think he could go really far but he's not in Kurt Angle's league yet. Not by any stretch.

 

[Christian Battlez]

no one ever said Kurt Angle isn't Great... but tbh these day's he Bores me in and out of the ring...

How does he bore you out of the ring? Do you know him personally? He seems like a pretty funny guy to hang around? You must be the boring one.

he is good on the stick... but he's not great... his in ring work has become stale and so has he...

but that's just my opinion.

So how his ring work become stale he's been doing the same phenomenal things since he started in WWE. He has even done a few new moves since coming to TNA I cite the sommersault helo he did on Abyss last year in their falls count anywhere match. He is great on the mic look at the video Sam posted and you'll see why.

 

[Christian Battlez]

Even in his current TNA shape and style, Kurt is still my favorite wrestler today. I love listening to him on the stick, always have, and he is one of the best collegient(sp?) wrestlers to properly make the transistion into Professional Wrestling. But let me ask you something, besides just listing all of his accolades, why don't you just give your actual opinion? Seems like you are open for debate, yet you just copied shit load of wikipedia.

I changed the title of the thread from the greatest of all time to the angle invitational so I can see why your confused. My opinion is that Kurt Angle is the greatest wrestler of all time. He has done everything you can do in the buisiness. He has held four major companys world championships and been elected to two hall of fames. Angle is the best ever not even debateable although some of you will futily try.

 

[Christian Battlez]

So the guy has a shit load of amatuer credentials and PWI and internet wrestling geeks cream themselves over him, basically he's Shawn Michaels with amatuer ability.

Hes better than Michaels. I cite Wrestlemania 21.

Not to hate on Kurt Angle you understand but if I was to compile a list of people who I think are the top ten pro wrestlers ever Kurt wouldnt touch it, most of what I'd consider his best matches have come against far better workers like The Rock, or Austin. In fact, I dont think I've seen a Kurt Angle match that I'd call classic.

First of all you explain to me how two of the sloppiest wrestlers ever Rock and Austin can even touch an olympic gold medalist. Next i'd like to hear your top ten list and see how Angle doesn't make it. Finally I can name off quite a few matches that Angle has competed in that were classics.

Wrestlemania 21: vs Shawn Michaels
No Way Out 2006: vs Undertaker
Genesis 2006: vs Samoa Joe
No Mercy 2002: w/Benoit vs Edge & Mysterio
Global Impact: vs Yuji Nagata
Royal Rumble 2003: vs Brock Lesnar
King of the Ring 2002: vs Hulk Hogan

I could go on and on but you'll just continue to look silly.

He's one of the best technical wrestlers of all time? Maybe, Bret Hart and Chris Benoit blow him out of the water in my opinion, call me crazy, but I cant see whats so great about Kurt, sure he'd beat most of todays guys in an amatuer match, but that means bollocks in the fake sport known as pro wrestling.

Where are Hart and Benoits gold medals?

 

[wetland]

I changed the title of the thread from the greatest of all time to the angle invitational so I can see why your confused. My opinion is that Kurt Angle is the greatest wrestler of all time. He has done everything you can do in the buisiness. He has held four major companys world championships and been elected to two hall of fames. Angle is the best ever not even debateable although some of you will futily try.

So you believe that Kurt Angle is better than Ric Flair. A person who carried the old NWA title, formed the greatest stable of all time.

Or what about Stone Cold Steve Austin, a guy who literally sold more tickets, ppvs and merchandise than anyone.

And lastly Shawn Michaels a guy whos done everything and more, and has everything. Talent, Charisma and Legendary status.

I respect your opinion but believe that there are far better wrestlers out there that have had a far larger and more lasting effect on the industry.

 

[Christian Battlez]

So you believe that Kurt Angle is better than Ric Flair. A person who carried the old NWA title, formed the greatest stable of all time.

Or what about Stone Cold Steve Austin, a guy who literally sold more tickets, ppvs and merchandise than anyone.

And lastly Shawn Michaels a guy whos done everything and more, and has everything. Talent, Charisma and Legendary status.

I respect your opinion but believe that there are far better wrestlers out there that have had a far larger and more lasting effect on the industry.

Angle would have had the NWA title on his resume as well but the NWA ruled against it and vacated the title and erased him from having ever held the NWA title. As far as you saying the Horsemen are the greatest stable ever thats just an opinion. If I wanna say Evolution or the Angle Alliance are the greatest stable ever I can. Thats another thread.

As far as Austin I find it really hard to believe he sold more merchandise, ppvs,and tickets than Hulk Hogan. BUt this isn't a thread about who sold more tickets than anyone its an opinionated thread about the greatest wrestler ever. I don't care about draw power and what not. Don't get me confused with Sly.

Angle has accomplished just as much as HBK in half of time and has the deifinitive Wrestlemania submission victory over Michaels to prove why hes better.

 

[Miko]

Hes better than Michaels. I cite Wrestlemania 21.

Yeah. . . Michaels won that fued anyway, to be honest I think they're both way overrated, good wrestlers sure, not anything fantastic.

First of all you explain to me how two of the sloppiest wrestlers ever Rock and Austin can even touch an olympic gold medalist.

Sloppy? In what way? They're good brawlers, not technical wrestlers but sloppy is the last word I'd use for either of those men.

Next i'd like to hear your top ten list and see how Angle doesn't make it.

I dont actually have a top ten list, not really a list kinda guy, but for arguments sake I'll make one up. It wont have names pre Hogan or Japanese wrestlers or whatever, because I dont know enough about either.

1. Hulk Hogan - The most influential wrestler of all time, he made pro wrestling as we know it, he made the WWF a huge success, then he jumped ship and did the same for WCW.

2. Stone Cold - The man behind the attitude era, if it wasnt for him WWE would be no more. Arguably the greatest WWE superstar of all time.

3. The Rock - Would've been Austin's successor but went on to Hollywood, what Austin started Rock continued and was the driving force behind the most successfull year in WWF history. Could possibly have went on to surpass Austin.

4. Sting - I like to think of him as WCW's Austin, he gets criticised for spending most of his time in the rafters, but Sting in the rafters was more popular than what Angle has been in his entire career. Plus Sting vs Hogan is like the most bought fued of all time.

5. Ultimate Warrior - Had he not been so greedy he'd be higher up the list as well, like possibly number 1. At one point in his career he was the most popular wrestler in the world, he has put on 2 of the greatest matches of all time at back to back wrestlemania's.

6. Randy Savage - The greatest all rounder in wrestling history, he paved the way for the high flyers to come into wrestling. Had a good match with everybody.

7. John Cena - On a more objective list he'd probably be higher up, he is the greatest wrestler in the world today, has good matches with everybody. Has helped to take the WWE out of quite a slump created by the departure of Rock and Austin.

8. Bret Hart - The greatest technical wrestler of all time, carried the WWF through a rough period. His in ring work is what gets him in here, he could probably have a good match with my nan.

9. Ric Flair - This is me attempting to be objective, I dont like Ric Flair at all but I cant deny what he's done for the business.

10. Andre/Undertaker - I am not really a fan of either man, Andre should've retired years before he did, Undertaker used to be and still is really a boring, boring wrestler. But as far as an impact in wrestling goes, both men are legendary.

Finally I can name off quite a few matches that Angle has competed in that were classics.

Okay

Wrestlemania 21: vs Shawn Michaels

It's an enjoyable match, I did like it. Certainly an entertaining match, can think of so many better ones though. Shawns match with Jericho at WM 19 is better, now that one is a classic.

No Way Out 2006: vs Undertaker

Another good match, should've been at WrestleMania really, still, not Undertakers best work.

Genesis 2006: vs Samoa Joe

Not really, maybe it's because I hate Joe but I thought it was spotty, like all Angle and Joe matches.

No Mercy 2002: w/Benoit vs Edge & Mysterio

As tag matches go it was pretty good, it was a tag one right. Still all of Angle vs Edge matches were good, good midcard matches anyway. Edge has come a long way since then though.

Global Impact: vs Yuji Nagata

I may watch it sometime

Royal Rumble 2003: vs Brock Lesnar

Their wrestlemania match was better, neither are anything to scream about though, unless of course you count Brocks fucked up shooting star press.

King of the Ring 2002: vs Hulk Hogan

Hogan vs Rock was better than that anyday, but it wasnt bad, not an all time great though.

I could go on and on but you'll just continue to look silly.

Yeah

Where are Hart and Benoits gold medals?

I'll ask the Olympic commitie sometime.

Seriously though, Angle's amatuer skills arent being questioned, his pro wrestling skills are, and while I like the guy and find him entertaining I cant think of one good reason to call him the greatest pro wrestler of all time.

He may be a better real life wrestler than Bret Hart, but in the confines of a fake match, Hart is far more entertaining, therefore, a better wrestler.

 

[Christian Battlez]

Yeah. . . Michaels won that fued anyway, to be honest I think they're both way overrated, good wrestlers sure, not anything fantastic..

Both men have done so much for the industry its ridiculous.Ridiculous that you could diminish their impact and call them way overrated, alas thats your opinion even if I think your wrong.

Sloppy? In what way? They're good brawlers, not technical wrestlers but sloppy is the last word I'd use for either of those men..

Its a word I proudly use. Both were great characters though.

I dont actually have a top ten list, not really a list kinda guy, but for arguments sake I'll make one up. It wont have names pre Hogan or Japanese wrestlers or whatever, because I dont know enough about either.

1. Hulk Hogan - The most influential wrestler of all time, he made pro wrestling as we know it, he made the WWF a huge success, then he jumped ship and did the same for WCW.

Agreed. He is also partially responsible for the downfall of WCW due to his greed.

2. Stone Cold - The man behind the attitude era, if it wasnt for him WWE would be no more. Arguably the greatest WWE superstar of all time.

There were many aspects to the attitude era. WWE can thank ECW for everything that made the Attitude Era special.

3. The Rock - Would've been Austin's successor but went on to Hollywood, what Austin started Rock continued and was the driving force behind the most successfull year in WWF history. Could possibly have went on to surpass Austin.

Could have but did he?

4. Sting - I like to think of him as WCW's Austin, he gets criticised for spending most of his time in the rafters, but Sting in the rafters was more popular than what Angle has been in his entire career. Plus Sting vs Hogan is like the most bought fued of all time.

Who cares if its the most bought. I told you I give fuck all about buyrates.

5. Ultimate Warrior - Had he not been so greedy he'd be higher up the list as well, like possibly number 1. At one point in his career he was the most popular wrestler in the world, he has put on 2 of the greatest matches of all time at back to back wrestlemania's.

What matches?

6. Randy Savage - The greatest all rounder in wrestling history, he paved the way for the high flyers to come into wrestling. Had a good match with everybody.

Amazing wrestler,better character.

7. John Cena - On a more objective list he'd probably be higher up, he is the greatest wrestler in the world today, has good matches with everybody. Has helped to take the WWE out of quite a slump created by the departure of Rock and Austin.

Lol Cena is great but doesn't dare make this list yet. How is WWE out of a slump? If you wanna talk buyrates and ratings this is one of the wrost eras in history for Vince. Meanwhile Angle is causing TNA to rise through the roof. TNA gets better. WWE gets worse. Which company does Angle work for?

8. Bret Hart - The greatest technical wrestler of all time, carried the WWF through a rough period. His in ring work is what gets him in here, he could probably have a good match with my nan.

If its technical ability that gets Hart on the list then he gets bumped for Angle. Kurt is a far better technical wrestler than the Hitman.

9. Ric Flair - This is me attempting to be objective, I dont like Ric Flair at all but I cant deny what he's done for the business.

It seems to me that you don't like guys with talent.

10. Andre/Undertaker - I am not really a fan of either man, Andre should've retired years before he did, Undertaker used to be and still is really a boring, boring wrestler. But as far as an impact in wrestling goes, both men are legendary.

Andre is nothing without being slammed by Hogan. Undertaker is nothing without Wrestlemania. I don't think Undertaker has ever beaten Angle either.

It's an enjoyable match, I did like it. Certainly an entertaining match, can think of so many better ones though. Shawns match with Jericho at WM 19 is better, now that one is a classic.

They're both great. Too bad your a hater.

Another good match, should've been at WrestleMania really, still, not Undertakers best work.

Then whats his best?

Not really, maybe it's because I hate Joe but I thought it was spotty, like all Angle and Joe matches.

I hate Joe too. Angle made him look awesome.

As tag matches go it was pretty good, it was a tag one right. Still all of Angle vs Edge matches were good, good midcard matches anyway. Edge has come a long way since then though.

Edge is my second favorite wrestler so I agree with you.

I may watch it sometime

It has the Christian Battlez stamp of approval.

Their wrestlemania match was better, neither are anything to scream about though, unless of course you count Brocks fucked up shooting star press.

Brock was a dominant force who beat Hulk Fuckin Hogan with a bear hug and destroyed the Phenom in his own playground. Angle has a silent killer mentality that makes him one of the most dangerous men in the wrestling industry. Like Triple H with skill.

Hogan vs Rock was better than that anyday, but it wasnt bad, not an all time great though.

But Angle made Hogan tap out. How many people can say that?

Seriously though, Angle's amatuer skills arent being questioned, his pro wrestling skills are, and while I like the guy and find him entertaining I cant think of one good reason to call him the greatest pro wrestler of all time.

He may be a better real life wrestler than Bret Hart, but in the confines of a fake match, Hart is far more entertaining, therefore, a better wrestler.

Ok Hart is better at faking knowing how to wrestle because Angle really can.

 

[DownwardSpiral]

Hang on just a sec, let's not go completely crazy here. Angle isn't my favorite or anything, but the proof of Edge or Jericho being better is not in the pudding. Not even in the Jell-O I'm afraid. Angle has more legitimate credentials of any pro wrestler in history, it just is what it is. An Olympic Gold Medal goes a helluva long way, no matter which way you slice it. It goes even further considering the guy had a fractured neck when he won it in the first place. Angle has great overall athletic capability and he's cut some pretty good promos in his time. He's arguably the best, overall well rounded pro wrestler I've ever seen.

What does an Olympic medal have to do with PRO wrestling? If we were talking amateur wrestling, sure, I'd say Angle is pretty damn great.

As a pro? He's good. But Edge and Jericho, IMO, are more accomplished, as PROS. And Punk? Straightedge means hes better than everyone

 

[ZeroEmber]

What does an Olympic medal have to do with PRO wrestling? If we were talking amateur wrestling, sure, I'd say Angle is pretty damn great.

As a pro? He's good. But Edge and Jericho, IMO, are more accomplished, as PROS. And Punk? Straightedge means hes better than everyone

i like this guy.
+1 rep
i wasnt gonna address this issue, as i thought it was clear we were talking about Pro Wrestling. But now that i am, lets talk about what makes a great Pro Wrestler......

1.) Training: sure as hell makes a good Pro Wrestler, but we are looking for Great, right?
2.) Looks: argue it all you want, extremely good, or Ugly as sin, having a "look" will get you noticed.
3.) Talent: not the same as training, i hate how people confuse them, ability without training is talent.
4.) Personality: this is key, you must not be a rock, (not to be confused with The Rock) if indeed you find yourself in the Pro Wrestling and are a rock,Please Call Lance Storm for tips.

from a personal stand point that's all it takes, but does not equal a Great Pro Wrestler.
This Sport is entertainment: and there's some key elements in this that need to be addressed to be a Great Pro Wrestler.

1.) Story lines: this helps give you the ability to prove you as a Wrestler, are better than Good, and to be Great, often takes Great stories.
2.)Great opponents: this is arguably the most important part of the Entertainment part of the busines, because and bear with me as we wove to the next subject here.....
3.) Story Telling Ability: you gotta be able, within the confines of the ropes, tell the story that's happening From Bell To Bell. with your opponent you must be able to tell the audience just how it happened.
4) an Audience: 4 people or 40,000 if theres no one there, whats the point?


so, these are the things that make a Pro Wrestler as i see it.

A Good Pro Wrestler, does and has some of these things.

A Great Wrestler, has and does them all.

So You asked me to name a better Pro Wrestler than Kurt Angle, i did, one CM Punk, theres not one of these things he doesnt have, or do.

And I Believe, that he does it to a bigger audience, connects to way more fans, and love him or hate, isn't gonna go away anytime soon.

* Independent Wrestling Association Mid-South
o IWA Mid-South Heavyweight Championship (5 times)[110]
o IWA Mid-South Light Heavyweight Championship (2 times)[111]
* International Wrestling Cartel
o IWC Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[112]
* Mid-American Wrestling
o MAW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[113]
* NWA Cyberspace
o NWA Cyberspace Tag Team Championship (1 time)[114] – with Julio Dinero
* NWA Revolution
o NWA Revolution Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[14]
* Ohio Valley Wrestling
o OVW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[115]
o OVW Southern Tag Team Championship (1 time)[116] – with Seth Skyfire
o OVW Television Championship (1 time)[117]
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him #24 of the top 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2008[118]
* Ring of Honor
o ROH Tag Team Championship (2 times)[16] – with Colt Cabana
o ROH World Championship (1 time)[16]
* St. Paul Championship Wrestling
o SDW Northern States Television Championship (2 times)[90]
o SPCW Northern States Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[90]
* World Wrestling Entertainment
o ECW Championship (1 time)[119]
o World Heavyweight Championship (2 times, current) [120][121]
o World Tag Team Championship (1 time)[122] – with Kofi Kingston
o WWE Intercontinental Championship (1 time)[123]
o Mr. Money in the Bank (2008, 2009)[66][82]
o Slammy Award for "Oh My God!" Moment of the Year (2008)[69] Cashing in Money in the Bank to win the World Heavyweight Championship
o Nineteenth Triple Crown Champion[80]

Says as a Pro Wrestler this Young man who's Straight Edge life style all but assures us no wellness policy violations, IS in fact a better Pro Wrestler.

 

[Christian Battlez]

i like this guy.
+1 rep
i wasnt gonna address this issue, as i thought it was clear we were talking about Pro Wrestling. But now that i am, lets talk about what makes a great Pro Wrestler......

1.) Training: sure as hell makes a good Pro Wrestler, but we are looking for Great, right?
2.) Looks: argue it all you want, extremely good, or Ugly as sin, having a "look" will get you noticed.
3.) Talent: not the same as training, i hate how people confuse them, ability without training is talent.
4.) Personality: this is key, you must not be a rock, (not to be confused with The Rock) if indeed you find yourself in the Pro Wrestling and are a rock,Please Call Lance Storm for tips.

from a personal stand point that's all it takes, but does not equal a Great Pro Wrestler.
This Sport is entertainment: and there's some key elements in this that need to be addressed to be a Great Pro Wrestler.

1.) Story lines: this helps give you the ability to prove you as a Wrestler, are better than Good, and to be Great, often takes Great stories.
2.)Great opponents: this is arguably the most important part of the Entertainment part of the busines, because and bear with me as we wove to the next subject here.....
3.) Story Telling Ability: you gotta be able, within the confines of the ropes, tell the story that's happening From Bell To Bell. with your opponent you must be able to tell the audience just how it happened.
4) an Audience: 4 people or 40,000 if theres no one there, whats the point?


so, these are the things that make a Pro Wrestler as i see it.

A Good Pro Wrestler, does and has some of these things.

A Great Wrestler, has and does them all.

So You asked me to name a better Pro Wrestler than Kurt Angle, i did, one CM Punk, theres not one of these things he doesnt have, or do.

And I Believe, that he does it to a bigger audience, connects to way more fans, and love him or hate, isn't gonna go away anytime soon.

* Independent Wrestling Association Mid-South
o IWA Mid-South Heavyweight Championship (5 times)[110]
o IWA Mid-South Light Heavyweight Championship (2 times)[111]
* International Wrestling Cartel
o IWC Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[112]
* Mid-American Wrestling
o MAW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[113]
* NWA Cyberspace
o NWA Cyberspace Tag Team Championship (1 time)[114] – with Julio Dinero
* NWA Revolution
o NWA Revolution Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[14]
* Ohio Valley Wrestling
o OVW Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[115]
o OVW Southern Tag Team Championship (1 time)[116] – with Seth Skyfire
o OVW Television Championship (1 time)[117]
* Pro Wrestling Illustrated
o PWI ranked him #24 of the top 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2008[118]
* Ring of Honor
o ROH Tag Team Championship (2 times)[16] – with Colt Cabana
o ROH World Championship (1 time)[16]
* St. Paul Championship Wrestling
o SDW Northern States Television Championship (2 times)[90]
o SPCW Northern States Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)[90]
* World Wrestling Entertainment
o ECW Championship (1 time)[119]
o World Heavyweight Championship (2 times, current) [120][121]
o World Tag Team Championship (1 time)[122] – with Kofi Kingston
o WWE Intercontinental Championship (1 time)[123]
o Mr. Money in the Bank (2008, 2009)[66][82]
o Slammy Award for "Oh My God!" Moment of the Year (2008)[69] Cashing in Money in the Bank to win the World Heavyweight Championship
o Nineteenth Triple Crown Champion[80]

Says as a Pro Wrestler this Young man who's Straight Edge life style all but assures us no wellness policy violations, IS in fact a better Pro Wrestler.

Being straightedge has nothing to do with being a good pro wrestler. Its a choice. Punk could pick up a needle tomorrow and get a wellness violation and he would drop the title to Hardy and be suspended instantly probably never see a main event push again and we wouldnt even be having this conversation. People who think Punk is better than Angle because hes straight edge are idiots and are getting red rep.

 

[ZeroEmber]

Being straightedge has nothing to do with being a good pro wrestler. Its a choice. Punk could pick up a needle tomorrow and get a wellness violation and he would drop the title to Hardy and be suspended instantly probably never see a main event push again and we wouldnt even be having this conversation. People who think Punk is better than Angle because hes straight edge are idiots and are getting red rep.

you can have red rep too, where did i say that was the reason, sure i listed it as A reason, but you must have missed the rest of my post, huh? Plebeian

 

[DownwardSpiral]

Being straightedge has nothing to do with being a good pro wrestler. Its a choice. Punk could pick up a needle tomorrow and get a wellness violation and he would drop the title to Hardy and be suspended instantly probably never see a main event push again and we wouldnt even be having this conversation. People who think Punk is better than Angle because hes straight edge are idiots and are getting red rep.

But Punk isnt gonna pick up that needle, soooooo...No need to throw out the idiot card for peeps using a CATCHPHRASE. Angle is good, nobody is denying that. HOWEVER you challenged people to find better. That's what we're doing.

 

[Sasori]

Alright, not counting any of the Ameteur Wrestling what about, the best there is, the best there, and the best there ever will be himself Bret 'The Hitman' Hart!

Championships and accomplishments:
Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame and Museum
Class of 2008

Pro Wrestling Illustrated:
PWI Comeback of the Year (1997)
PWI Feud of the Year (1993)vs. Jerry Lawler
PWI Feud of the Year (1994) vs. Owen Hart
PWI Match of the Year (1992) vs. British Bulldog at SummerSlam
PWI Match of the Year (1996) vs. Shawn Michaels in an Iron Man match at WrestleMania XII
PWI Match of the Year (1997) vs. Steve Austin in a Submission match at WrestleMania 13
PWI Most Hated Wrestler of the Year (1997)
PWI Most Inspirational Wrestler of the Year (1994)
PWI Stanley Weston Award (2003)
PWI ranked him #1 of the 500 best singles wrestlers of the year in the PWI 500 in 1993 and 1994
PWI ranked him #4 of the top 500 singles wrestlers of the "PWI Years" in 2003
PWI ranked him #37 of the top 500 tag teams of the "PWI Years" with Jim Neidhart in 2003

Stampede Wrestling:
NWA International Tag Team Championship (Calgary version) (5 times) – with Keith Hart (4) and Leo Burke (1)
Stampede British Commonwealth Mid-Heavyweight Championship (3 times)
Stampede North American Heavyweight Championship (6 times)
Stampede Wrestling Hall of Fame

World Championship Wrestling:
WCW United States Heavyweight Championship (4 times)
WCW World Heavyweight Championship (2 times)
WCW World Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Goldberg

World Wrestling Council:
WWC Caribbean Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Smith Hart

World Wrestling Federation / World Wrestling Entertainment:
WWF Championship (5 times)
WWF Intercontinental Championship (2 times)
WWF Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Jim Neidhart
King of the Ring (1991, 1993)
Royal Rumble (1994)
Second Triple Crown Champion
Slammy Award for Put a Fork in Him, He's Done (1996) The Sharpshooter
Slammy Award for Best Music Video (1996)
Slammy Award for Which WWF champion, past or present, in attendance, is Hall of Fame bound? (1996)
WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2006)

Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards:
5 Star Match (1994) vs. Owen Hart in a cage match at SummerSlam
5 Star Match (1997) vs. Steve Austin in a Submission match at WrestleMania 13
Best Pro Wrestling Book (2007) Hitman
Best Pro Wrestling DVD (2006) Bret "Hit Man" Hart: The Best There Is, The Best There Was, The Best There Ever Will Be
Feud of the Year (1993) vs. Jerry Lawler
Feud of the Year (1997) with Owen Hart, Jim Neidhart, British Bulldog, and Brian Pillman vs. Steve Austin
Match of the Year (1997) vs. Steve Austin in a Submission match at WrestleMania 13
Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame (Class of 1996)

Yup
No one can hold a candle to Bret when it came to sheer wrestling! Don't believe me? Check out his matches with: Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, Owen Hart, Flair, Benoit, British Bulldog, etc. Bret is simply the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be!

 

[Miko]

Both men have done so much for the industry its ridiculous.Ridiculous that you could diminish their impact and call them way overrated, alas thats your opinion even if I think your wrong.

Coming from the person that called Rock and Austin sloppy, I am not diminishing their impact, they have done a lot and well done to them.

Its a word I proudly use. Both were great characters though.

It's a word you proudly use for no good reason it would seem, yes they were great characters, great at playing those characters too. Add in the fact that they could hold your attention in the ring and that's why they were truly great.

I dont actually have a top ten list, not really a list kinda guy, but for arguments sake I'll make one up. It wont have names pre Hogan or Japanese wrestlers or whatever, because I dont know enough about either.

Agreed. He is also partially responsible for the downfall of WCW due to his greed.

He didnt want to put over Jeff Jarrett? I dont blame him, Jarrett's good but not that good.

There were many aspects to the attitude era. WWE can thank ECW for everything that made the Attitude Era special.

Bit's and bob's certainly.

Could have but did he?

Did a better job than Angle

Who cares if its the most bought. I told you I give fuck all about buyrates.

Fair enough, I find the buyrates debate boring too, but it is the most objective way of finding the best wrestler.

What matches?

Warrior vs Hogan, Warrior vs Savage are the ones I am talking about, I'd add Warrior vs Savage (Summerslam), Warrior vs Rude (both matches). It's late, that's from the top of my head.

Amazing wrestler,better character.

Agreed

Lol Cena is great but doesn't dare make this list yet. How is WWE out of a slump? If you wanna talk buyrates and ratings this is one of the wrost eras in history for Vince. Meanwhile Angle is causing TNA to rise through the roof. TNA gets better. WWE gets worse. Which company does Angle work for?

Rise through the roof? Look I am as glad to see TNA rise as the next man, but it happened about 2 years after Angle's debut, the small growth could be attributed to any number of things.

John Cena not in spotlight = ratings drop. John Cena in spotlight = ratings rise. For a guy that dont care about buyrates you seem to use the argument a lot.

If its technical ability that gets Hart on the list then he gets bumped for Angle. Kurt is a far better technical wrestler than the Hitman.

We'll just go back and forth on this one.

It seems to me that you don't like guys with talent.

Define talent, I like wrestlers that entertain me, guy's like Rock and Hogan might not bust out a million moves (not like Angle and Flair do either for that matter) but they damn sure entertain me (and most other people by the looks of it) more than the wrestlers you say have talent.

Andre is nothing without being slammed by Hogan. Undertaker is nothing without Wrestlemania. I don't think Undertaker has ever beaten Angle either.

Yet both are bigger than Angle, I might actually put Mick Foley as my number 10 actually, he helped make just about every big star of the 90's.

They're both great. Too bad your a hater.

They are both great, and I am not a hater. I just cant understand the love that some of these guys get.

Then whats his best?

You know, I might actually concede on this one. Undertaker vs Angle is a great match and is one of Taker's best. Although I prefer the beatdown between Taker and Kane at WrestleMania 15?

I hate Joe too. Angle made him look awesome.

Not as good as Sting did.

Edge is my second favorite wrestler so I agree with you.

Edge is good

It has the Christian Battlez stamp of approval.

I'll probably avoid it then

Brock was a dominant force who beat Hulk Fuckin Hogan with a bear hug and destroyed the Phenom in his own playground. Angle has a silent killer mentality that makes him one of the most dangerous men in the wrestling industry. Like Triple H with skill.

Brock Lesnar should've worked better, he was pushed hard, beat all of these big names and yet, people tuned out. Maybe his great matches really werent that watchable. I like Kurt Angle, probably prefer him to HHH to be honest, he works his style well, the best ever? Not in my eyes.

But Angle made Hogan tap out. How many people can say that?

For a greedy old bastard Hogan sure has made a lot of people look good in his time. That being said, I fail to see how Angle being booked to make an old man tap out makes him look that great.

Ok Hart is better at faking knowing how to wrestle because Angle really can.

Looks like you should be watching real wrestling then, Angle could well be the greatest shoot wrestler to ever live, all that's going to get him is a small push in a major fake promotion, luckily for Kurt has managed to become a good fake wrestler. Not the greatest but good enough.

 

[stebbinsd]

Credit Wikipedia

That, that right there, proves you to be completely, absolutely 100% WRONG.

Simply by having that word anywhere in your post, you automatically get disqualified.