The 1993 Screwjob??

[The Brain]

Anyone who doesnt think vince was forced to go through with it look at it this way...

Vince pushed Yokozuma as almost unbeatable...

Bret Hart...one of the greatest technical wrestlers in the world could not defeat him...(forget the powder...there was no way)...

and all of a sudden at the end of the worst wrestlemania(Bar none)...we decide that a 58 year old champion is the best thing going???...

Hell No...

But Hogan Convinced Vince...and we now have a format for money and the bank...
Attack beat up champion...Win...and lose your title at the next PPV...

Obviously you're exaggerating the age but that's quite an exaggeration. Hogan was 39 at the time. Same age Rock is now and two years younger than Jericho is now.

Anyway, Vince wasn't forced to do anything. It is likely that there was a plan to have Hart go over Hogan in the future and Hogan backed out, but I highly doubt that Hogan forced Vince to give him the title at mania. I think you guys are using the wrong word. There may have been a negotiation or a compromise. The original plan may have changed after mania. All that is possible but I just find it hard to believe that Hogan held Vince hostage and threatened to no show mania if he didn't get the belt.

 

[Headman]

Obviously you're exaggerating the age but that's quite an exaggeration. Hogan was 39 at the time. Same age Rock is now and two years younger than Jericho is now.

Anyway, Vince wasn't forced to do anything. It is likely that there was a plan to have Hart go over Hogan in the future and Hogan backed out, but I highly doubt that Hogan forced Vince to give him the title at mania. I think you guys are using the wrong word. There may have been a negotiation or a compromise. The original plan may have changed after mania. All that is possible but I just find it hard to believe that Hogan held Vince hostage and threatened to no show mania if he didn't get the belt.

I agree with this. It's the word "Forced" that I take issue with. Who forces Vince to do anything? There were a lot of things going on with Vince at this time, and maybe his focus on the business wasn't the strongest it had ever been. Hogan had closed the show at every wrestlemania up to this point and there's a safety that goes a long with that. Despite the fact that Hogan was obviously on his way out, Vince may have either done this as a last ditch effort to put personal business asside or perhaps Hogan pitched it, Vince wasn't sold on Bret so he accepted the idea that sounded best at the time. Let's be honest, this was not the legendary (5?) time champion Bret Hart. This was Alberto Del Rio or Miz Bret Hart who was still testing the waters of his championship reign going into the biggest ppv of the year. It's not easy to main event the first wrestlemania after 8 years of Hogan. He had to feel like Brian Greasie following John Elway or Jay Fiedler following Dan Marino. And for one reason or another Vince went with the Hogan idea, and to be honest I'm fine with that. Bret vs Yoko did nothing for anybody at the time, so no harm done. Yokozuna continued to be a monster and Bret went on to become a legend.

 

[keith hall]

But look at Hogans ego...and think back to WM VI...
Hogan willingly put over the warrior beacuse everyone thought of him as the new hogan...and it blew up in vince's face...

Hogan...(ever the ego-maniac)...thinks that something might go wrong like it did last time and tells vince to call an audible...AKA...put hogan Over Yokozuna instead of hogan over Hart...beacuse and angry Japanese Guy is obviously better than excellent ring technician like Hart...

 

[Kingleviathan]

Well here's the thing, Bret Hart was never going to leave Wrestlemania IX with the World Title, Yokozuna was always going to win. It was all part of McMahon's plan to create a new Hogan.

So they build up Yokozuna as a foreign monster heel and have Hogan beat him after he's already been through a match. Then they have Yokozuna beat Hogan at King of the Ring, this allows Luger to step up into Hogan's role and for a time it worked, then Summerslam happened.

Luger doesn't win the World Title at Summerslam because McMahon wants to hold that off until Wrestlemania X and in doing so people lose interest in Luger. By the time they got to the Royal Rumble Luger had lost enough interest that McMahon put into place a back up plan for Hart to win if Luger wasn't popular enough after the Royal Rumble.

Hart was clearly the more popular so he won the World Title and Luger ended up going back to WCW a year later.

Basically there was no reason for McMahon to screw Hogan, since he had no problem putting over Yokozuna, and as for Luger and Hart well Luger didn't win the World Title because McMahon waited too long and Hart won the World Title because they needed someone to win the World Title from Yokozuna and Hart was the best choice at the time.

 

[HBKperfect23]

I agree with this. It's the word "Forced" that I take issue with. Who forces Vince to do anything?

Summerslam 91: Warrior forces Vince to pay him -X- amount of dollars or he wont go to the ring. Hogan, Slaughter, and McMahon have claimed this.

Wrestlemania 8: Jake Roberts forces Vince to give him his release or he wont go to the ring. Jake admited this.

Not saying it happened for sure at WMIX but I dont think the question in my orginal post is so insane like the first few posters claimed.

 

[The Brain]

Summerslam 91: Warrior forces Vince to pay him -X- amount of dollars or he wont go to the ring. Hogan, Slaughter, and McMahon have claimed this.

Wrestlemania 8: Jake Roberts forces Vince to give him his release or he wont go to the ring. Jake admited this.

Not saying it happened for sure at WMIX but I dont think the question in my orginal post is so insane like the first few posters claimed.

Good points but I don't think Hogan at WMIX was the same. As I said, there were probably negotiations and compromises. Maybe promises were broken. I just have a hard time believing Hogan said "Give me the belt or I'm not showing up" or anything along those lines. Call him an egomaniac all you want but I don't think Hogan does business that way. He wouldn't want to burn that bridge that leads to Titan Tower.

 

[HBKperfect23]

Good points but I don't think Hogan at WMIX was the same. As I said, there were probably negotiations and compromises. Maybe promises were broken. I just have a hard time believing Hogan said "Give me the belt or I'm not showing up" or anything along those lines. Call him an egomaniac all you want but I don't think Hogan does business that way. He wouldn't want to burn that bridge that leads to Titan Tower.

That is the thing about Hogan, hes smarter then everyone else business wise. Maybe it was the compromise and the story just got exaggerated to forced.

 

[TheExceLLenceOfExecution]

I really believe that the whole Yokozuna title reign was to help build Bret. Yoko was a successful heel and at that time any face who beat him would have been over. But giving the honors to Bret was a great chance to build him up as the face of the company after Hogans departure, which worked IMO.

I do gotta say though, I wish Hulk would have passed the torch to Bret. It was a real shame that he refused to drop the title to Hart. That would have been the most EPIC match of all time if they wrestled each other in their primes with their original gimmicks (not like that stupid match they had in WCW!)

Your thread actually gave me an idea for my first thread when I become eligible to make them! Gonna be about passing the torch!!!

 

[Kingleviathan]

I really believe that the whole Yokozuna title reign was to help build Bret. Yoko was a successful heel and at that time any face who beat him would have been over. But giving the honors to Bret was a great chance to build him up as the face of the company after Hogans departure, which worked IMO.

I do gotta say though, I wish Hulk would have passed the torch to Bret. It was a real shame that he refused to drop the title to Hart. That would have been the most EPIC match of all time if they wrestled each other in their primes with their original gimmicks (not like that stupid match they had in WCW!)

Your thread actually gave me an idea for my first thread when I become eligible to make them! Gonna be about passing the torch!!!

It wasn't to build Bret, the Yokozuna reign was designed to make Luger the big face and the second Hulk Hogan. It's just that they botched Summerslam and by the time it came for Luger's push to Wrestlemania he wasn't over enough and Bret was the next best choice.

In fact even after that Bret wasn't the first choice for the face of the company, it's just that Shawn Michaels never really became a draw in the 90's so they had no choice but to keep putting the belt on Bret.

 

[lowandmighty]

I've heard that rumour about Hogan saying he wouldn't wrestle at the event unless he was made champion and I think its true. It was a time period where wrestling or namely the wwf wasn't doing quite as well since Hogan had faded a bit from the scene and McMahon thought it might help if Hogan was at the show so if it was going to get Hogan on the show in Vinces mind then champion he may be.

however to answer the question I think Bret Hart would've put yokozuna over and a new challenger would rise to face Yokozuna until Bret Hart could come back.
It would have to be one of the other guys who won at that wrestlemania like, Ramon, Luger, Undertaker, Shawn micheals. One of those.