Tara's the Biker Bitch?? No way!!! (Lulz...)

[D-Man]

Do you know anything about TNA? The connection is the contract situation and subsequent agreement involving Tara. That is why they booked the retirement angle to begin with.

I swear that you argue for the sake of arguing. I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU.

So very on-topic, this must be the point in the discussion where D-man changes everything so he can appear to be less wrong in his blind biased comments. And right on cue...

Lulz. I think my point was clear as crystal. You're just so defensive, sensitive and argumentative that you pounce on anyone that disagrees with you. You said we need to use our imagination and I told you that more is required than a half-assed storyline and lots of imagination to actually make it work on TV.

You're like a child that doesn't get his way so he starts a temper tantrum. It's quite pathetic.

So because they did not copy and live up to one great storyline this is a failure?

OMG... We've hit the mother load of ignorance.

Where, in any part of my post, did I say that TNA should have copied that angle?? Where?? Please tell me because I must have missed it while I was giving an example of an ORIGINAL booking that has never been used again and worked like a charm the first time around. The point of that example was to let you know that all it takes is a good, ORIGINAL storyline to make an angle really work. The Savage/Roberts angle was exactly that. If only TNA can come up with something as intelligent and original as that feud... too bad their writers are dogshit.

And the train has finally left the tracks. This was never about originality or cutting edge. It was yet another D-man attempt to belittle TNA. Like most of those threads once it is pointed out how wrong he is (in this case about the story not making any sense) then he simple chooses a different criticism instead of defending his point.

First of all, when I started this thread I was unaware that things were explained on Reaction last night. But instead of just telling me this, you decided to write a book report because you were ********* about my negative comments about TNA's booking. All you had to do was explain the segment on Reaction instead of being a galactic ass hole.

Once I learned what really happened I changed my views from confused to just not entertained, since I've seen this storyline multiple times in the past. And that's bad? I'm not allowed to have an opinion? If you don't like it then I could give two squirts of piss about it.

If this storyline arc has been done so many times how were you so convinced it made zero sense?

I think I just explained this. The problem is that you're twisting my chronology in order to prove your points to be true. I concede that I missed Reaction last night. And I concede that now I see where TNA is heading with this. But I also stand by my opinions that it's just another repetitive, lazy booking IN MY OPINION.

It is also amusing how you criticize russo for using ideas from other promotions, like he did not write many of those stories originally.

Did I criticize the idea? No. I criticized its redundancy. It was a TREMENDOUS idea... the first 2 or 3 times. But here it is... AGAIN. I'm bored now. Is that so wrong? Oh, that's right. Either TNA has to be the greatest thing in creation otherwise I should bite my tongue, right? Fuck no. If I don't like something then you're all going to hear about it.

 

[Chadmw]

I can't believe this is the thread you make so you can have an excuse to bash TNA.

Do you want to know why Tara is alligned with Madison, because it's a overused wrestling storylines. How many times have we all seen in wrestling two people beating the crap out of each other for month only to become friends or team up down the line.

Here are many examples

1. Austin and HHH- These two spend years beating the crap out of each other and then they became the Two man ego trip

2. Hogan-Rock- Hogan with the NWO ran over the rock with an ambulance, a few month later Rock and Hogan are pals and teaming up

3. Styles-Daniels-Samoa Joe- These guys have gone from enemies to best friends so many times

4. The Hart foundation-British Bulldogs

5. Hogan-Savage

6.The whole NWO- How many times was the giant kicked in and out of the NWO. How much did the NWO and WOlfpac kick the crap out of each other just to realign with each other


And so on and so on..... So Enemies becoming friends or teaming up is a long tradition in wrestling

 

[Super Strudel]

I think this will eventually lead to a Tara face turn, with the logic being she wanted to destroy TBP from the inside, so she concocted a plan to be Madison Rayne's bodyguard.
It would not be too big a stretch to make Madison come across as naive and air-headed. This in turn could lead to Rayne reuniting with TBP again.
Just a suggestion. Swings and roundabouts. As you were.

 

[AndyUK]

OMG WATCH TNA REACTION, all your questions are answered there

Madison said that no one had ever taken her to the limit like Tara had, she said that Tara brought the best out of her, and when she had to deal with Angelina, she knew who she had to go to for help, a woman to hated Angelina as much as she did, TARA. The retirement match was not fixed my Madison and Tara, Madison beat her fair and square and retired her. Tara also said she couldn't stay away, she couldn't stand Angelina taking over the division, she wanted her revenge, and what better way than to align herself with Rayne as a mystery woman, messing with angelina's head

It's not complicated at all

I wish they actually explained it on Impact rather than Reaction, which isn't even their main show. Maybe their booking would make a lot more sense if we actually got Reaction here in the UK...

 

[johnbragg]

Lets see I get fired from work by my supervisor, a month later he is in hot water, so he calls me up to have his back as a character witness. I would tell him you kidding me, fuck off.

You might, if it meant you got your job back, no?

Madison Rayne is getting protection from a top-notch woman wrestler.
Tara is getting back into TNA on a loophole as Madison's bodyguard, which could transition into a regular contract.

Why are they working together? They need each other.

The plot isn't that bad by wrestling standards.

The bigger problem is that Rayne and Tara seem to have poor chemistry, from their promos on ReAction. It veered weirdly from being uncomfortable with each other to hinting at a lesbian angle at back, in seconds.

 

[Rayne]

I wish they actually explained it on Impact rather than Reaction, which isn't even their main show. Maybe their booking would make a lot more sense if we actually got Reaction here in the UK...

Something is very, very wrong with your booking if you're requiring people to watch your 'B' show in order to understand what's going on with your 'A' show.

For folks who immediately go "NEXUS!!!", I watched about fifteen minutes of NXT, thought it was awful (and was right), but the... er... 'intricacies' of the Nexus storyline weren't quite so difficult to follow having missed that.

 

[shattered dreams]

Something is very, very wrong with your booking if you're requiring people to watch your 'B' show in order to understand what's going on with your 'A' show.

For folks who immediately go "NEXUS!!!", I watched about fifteen minutes of NXT, thought it was awful (and was right), but the... er... 'intricacies' of the Nexus storyline weren't quite so difficult to follow having missed that.

Except that this is the equivalent of people saying the nexus story didn't make sense right after the first attack. There has not even been another impact since the revelation. Almost no swerve storyline is ever immediately explained. You wait a while and let people make their guesses. They will likely talk about it again on the online impact and maybe even some after that. It is not a swerve if everything immediately makes sense and is explained right away. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand?

 

[Rayne]

I do not think you understand what a swerve is, which is why you're wondering why people aren't understanding you. A swerve is an unexpected piece of plot material which is contrary to what your audience expects. You "swerve" the audience, as if you were "swerving" in a car- it's going right, then, *swerve*, it's going left. A good swerve makes the audience go "oh, I didn't expect that, but it surprises me and I want to know more." The expected end to the NXT storyline was that one of the wrestlers would join the WWE roster, and the others would drift into obscurity (immediately, as opposed to six months from now.) In that context the swerve was well executed and made sense to the viewer. Did they have to understand everything about it immediately? No, that's bad writing that doesn't set you up for the future.

However, not all swerves are caused because there's someone drunk at the wheel. Something tells me we're not about to see a couple months of why Madison and Tara are working together. Instead of being curious as to why Madison and Tara are working together, I'm more insulted that TNA would think their audience would forget that they were just bitter rivals a couple of months ago without any hint of an explanation that you don't have to hunt down. If it wasn't for ReAction, a place TNA can go to explain their plot holes, this would fall into the same plot hole as Samoa Joe's kidnappers; and as I've said before, making someone watch the B show to figure out what's going on the show that's supposed to be getting you into the product is bad booking. TNA doesn't tend to "wait a while and let people make guesses", they "wait a while and hope people forget about it" far more often. I'm sure you're about to spout off about 10.10.10 and all that; for each example of a well written plot piece you give, I can give two or three where they drop it and forget about it.

I know you're eager to defend TNA programming from any perceivable angle, but it's no big secret their storylines tend to disappear and get confused. I'm sure if I asked, you could give me this great convoluted explanation of why it made PERFECT sense for Nash to turn on Hall and Waltman so he could team with Eric Young, who he would turn on so he could team with Hall and Waltman. (I don't want one. There is a difference between "suspension of disbelief" and lying to yourself.) Pick your battles, and if you don't know the terms your using, don't berate other people when you don't understand what they're describing.

 

[jccool420]

I really don't see it as bad booking at all...

I mean, it really isn't that big of a storyline compared to the million other things going on on one crowded episode of Impact... So, why not run the quick reveal without a lengthy in-ring promo to tell us all about the mutual respect that really isn't too big of a deal in the first place...?

To me, it was smart on their part... It kept things moving on Impact and hey, if you're that bothered by the gaps in the storyline, watch ReAction, have it explained to you and gain the show some ratings in the process? It makes good sense to me, at least it wasn't just left unexplained like a lot of other things that have been in the recent past...

 

[shattered dreams]

However, not all swerves are caused because there's someone drunk at the wheel. Something tells me we're not about to see a couple months of why Madison and Tara are working together.

I am not sure what you think my point is but the most recent one I made is that this is all pure speculation because no one has given them a chance to even comment on it on impact because there has not been one since. They could easily continue the storyline for all you know. Meaning what the hell is this "something" and why is it credible? I assume that something is another bs argument that TNA always fails (a ******ed notion at best) so they will fail here. You can use such ****** thoughts to bash everything about TNA but it doesn't mean shit. You are basically just ascribing poor future actions to them and subsequently criticizing them like they actually already happened. How does that make any sense? I'd be much more receptive to if this happens then I will not like it. All I am saying is why not comment on the storyline after we know where it goes instead of bashing it without even giving it a chance?

If you think TNA is the only wrestling company to have a "plot hole" based on unforeseen aspects of the business side of the company then you are delusional. Just name me the last "swerve" that was immediately explained on RAW? That is abnormal and unlikely to happen , yet you are criticizing TNA before the next week even comes.

Instead of being curious as to why Madison and Tara are working together, I'm more insulted that TNA would think their audience would forget that they were just bitter rivals a couple of months ago without any hint of an explanation that you don't have to hunt down.

If it wasn't for ReAction, a place TNA can go to explain their plot holes, this would fall into the same plot hole as Samoa Joe's kidnappers; and as I've said before, making someone watch the B show to figure out what's going on the show that's supposed to be getting you into the product is bad booking.

So did they forget about it or explain it in the incorrect way? You are falling into your customary contradictions. ReAction is not a typical b-show. It comes on immediately following impact as part of a programming block and one of the first things it said was that it would touch on the subject. Thus, people that give a fuck would watch to see that. You do not book your product to the haters that watch on youtube and pretend they are smarter than the company.

TNA doesn't tend to "wait a while and let people make guesses", they "wait a while and hope people forget about it" far more often. I'm sure you're about to spout off about 10.10.10 and all that; for each example of a well written plot piece you give, I can give two or three where they drop it and forget about it.

Well, you named one case where they clearly are doing that and two where they did not (I'll give you the joe thing but I am not sure it is a lock to remain unexplained). So they explained the attack on EV2 by fourtune. Lets hear 2-3 more times TNA had a business issue and you wanted to be a dick about the way they dealt with it. Out of curiosity how many can you name from WWE?

 

[Rayne]

Ugh, fucking blind marks. OK. Again.

I am not sure what you think my point is but the most recent one I made is that this is all pure speculation because no one has given them a chance to even comment on it on impact because there has not been one since. They could easily continue the storyline for all you know. Meaning what the hell is this "something" and why is it credible? I assume that something is another bs argument that TNA always fails (a ******ed notion at best) so they will fail here. You can use such ****** thoughts to bash everything about TNA but it doesn't mean shit. You are basically just ascribing poor future actions to them and subsequently criticizing them like they actually already happened. How does that make any sense? I'd be much more receptive to if this happens then I will not like it. All I am saying is why not comment on the storyline after we know where it goes instead of bashing it without even giving it a chance?

Prior history and their recent burying of the KO's division to lesser parts of the card. I don't give someone with five burglary convictions the key to my house the day I meet him; I learn from the mistakes of others. TNA drops stuff into the well of plot disappearance so often that I have no reason to expect they won't this time. You can do the whole "blind allegiance" thing if you'd like.

So did they forget about it or explain it in the incorrect way? You are falling into your customary contradictions. ReAction is not a typical b-show. It comes on immediately following impact as part of a programming block and one of the first things it said was that it would touch on the subject.

So let me get this straight. TNA is in a phase where they are trying to attract new fans. (Read: WWE fans or fans not actively watching wrestling currently; they lack the mainstream exposure to create new fans.) The way they are planning to do this is by presenting incomprehensible plot swerves for two hours, then tell these people "if you want to understand what you watched, watch another hour of our programming!" TNA isn't Lost, sorry. My arguments aren't contradictory; you just don't understand them.

You don't book a company that you're trying to grow for the benefit of the fans you already have. Professional wrestling does not have a Loyalty Rewards program.

BTW, until ReAction, that's exactly where TNA's plot holes went; into the "let's hope our audience forgets about them." Of COURSE you hold out hope on Samoa Joe's kidnappers. You refuse to believe you've ever been rooked. And when someone drops a "oh, by the way, remember this thing? This guy did it", you're going to mark out all over the place and pretend it's brilliant writing instead of a quick retcon (look it up).