Sting vs Flair

Why? Why even have this match?

Their last match, on the last Nitro, should have been it. A legacy of stellar matches ended with such, while both were in their prime..or at least something very close to it.

So why kill that now, with two wrestlers who can no longer go like they used to, or even in a way that is truly entertaining. Sting may have a little bit left in the tank..but Flair's tank has been empty since his retirement match with HBK. Not exactly saying anything that hasn't been said before in this thread by saying any of those things.

But all of this does make you wonder if anyone at ALL learned a lesson from the dying days of WCW.
 
I will agree that Flair probably needs to hang it up before too long, BUT, he is still better today in his 60s than over half of the locker room in either TNA or WWE.
Congrats on winning the award for stupidest comment of the day. Flair is not better than half of either roster. He is a legend, no doubt, but so was Joe Montana... and Wayne Gretzky... and Shawn Michaels! HBK could wrestle circles around a lot of guys still, but he knew his time was up. Flair could learn a lot for Shawn. Flair has a job because of his name, not because of what he can still do in the ring.
 
Congrats on winning the award for stupidest comment of the day. Flair is not better than half of either roster. He is a legend, no doubt, but so was Joe Montana... and Wayne Gretzky... and Shawn Michaels! HBK could wrestle circles around a lot of guys still, but he knew his time was up. Flair could learn a lot for Shawn. Flair has a job because of his name, not because of what he can still do in the ring.

Ok, since you decided to call me stupid, time to prove you wrong. Let's make a list of the roster and answer the question, could Flair win?
Raw:
Alberto Del Rio- No
Alex Riley-Possibly
Big Show-No
CM Punk-No
Curt Hawkins-Yes
David Otunga-Possibly
Dolph Ziggler-Possibly, but probably not
Drew McIntyre-Given how he has disappeared into obcurity, possibly
Evan Bourne--Yes
Goldust-Yes
Jack Swagger-He lost to Jerry Lawler, so it's a possibility
John Cena-I wish, but no
John Morrison-No
JTG-Yes
Kevin Nash-Couldn't do it in his prime, so doubt he could now.
Kofi Kingston-Toss up.
Mason Ryan-New age Batista...no
Michael McGillicuty-Yes
The Miz-No
Primo-Yes
Rey Mysterio-Eh...toss up, but probably not
R-Truth-Again...toss up.
Skip Sheffield-Yes
Tyler Reks-Maybe
Zack Ryder-Yes

Totals: Yes-8/26 Possibly/maybe/toss ups-9/26 No-8/26

Smackdown
Brodus Clay-Maybe, but probably not
Christian-No
Cody Rhodes-Yes
Daniel Bryan-No
Ezekial Jackson-No
Great Khali-No
Heath Slater-Yes
Jey Uso-Yes
Jimmy Uso-yes
Johnny Curtis-Yes
Justin Gabriel-Yes
Kane-No
Mark Henry-No
Randy Orton-No
Sheamus-No
Sin Cara-Yes
Ted DiBiase-Yes
Trent Barreta-Yes
Tyson Kidd-Yes
Undertaker-No
Wade Barrett-No
Yoshi Tatsu-Yes

Totals: Yes-11/22 No-11/22

Grand WWE Totals: Yes-19/48 Maybes-9/48 No-19/48

Ok so out of WWE, that seems pretty even. Let's look at TNA now:
AJ Styles-No
Abyss-No
Alex Shelley-Yes
Anarquia-Yes
Austin Aries-No, but in a damn close match
Robert Roode-No
Brian Kendrick-Yes
Bully Ray-If you would've asked me this a year ago I'd go Flair, but now, Bully Ray gets the win
Chris Sabin-Yes
Christopher Daniels-No
Crimson-Even though I think Flair is better, Crimson would win
D'Angelo Dinero-Toss up
Douglas Williams-Yes
Eric Young-Yes
Gunner-No
Hernandez-No
James Storm-No
Jeff Hardy-Toss up...depends on if he's high as a kite or not
Jeff Jarrett-No
Jerry Lynn-I honestly think yes
Jesse Neal-Yes
Kazarian-No
Kid Kash-Yes
Kurt Angle-No
Magnus-Toss up
Matt Hardy-I think yes
Matt Morgan-no
Mr Anderson-No
Murphy-Yes
Robbie E-Yes
Rob Terry-Eh...I don't think Terry's that good, but he would probably win
RVD-No
Samoa Joe-No
Scott Steiner-Toss up
Shannon Moore-Yes
Sting-No

Totals: Yes-14/37 No-19/37 Toss Up-4/37

Grand totals of both: Yes-33/85 No-38/85 Maybe/Toss up-13/85

Ok, so you were right, not exactly half of the locker rooms...but still damn close and if all the toss ups went his way, then yes over half. Don't call people's posts stupid unless you feel you can back it up.
 
This would be the equivalent of a Ultimate Warrior vs Rick Rude match 25 years later in the wwe.... BAD IDEA. TNA is on it's last legs and will do anything it can to bring in viewers. Flair and Sting had classic matches against each other back in the day and it should be left at that. Don't even know why the hell half of TNA is still even wrestling. Don't get me wrong, wwe has its shares of guys that need to hang them up as well, but it's nowhere near as many as TNA. At least with WWE we're only subject to a gimmick battle royal once in a blue moon and they are actually entertaining!

Really? Because TNA only has Sting, Flair, Hogan. WWE has Kevin Nash, Kane, Undertaker, Lawler. But we all know, TNA has more right?

Please explain to me how TNA is on it's last legs? I don't give a fuck what classic matches they had. There is plenty of people who never witnessed both men in the ring LIVE. That's the fucking point.

You want to shit on TNA doing this but It's certainly okay for Bret Hart to pin The Miz, have a match with Vince MacMahon? Sounds bias bullshit to me.

Half of TNA? I didn't know Sting, Flair, Hogan, Steiner, were considered half of the companies roster when they have about 40 wrestlers.
 
I was going to leave this alone, because I don't really care too much one way or another if Sting and Flair have a match. Fact is it will probably not be a classic, but TNA seems dead set on Hogan vs. Sting, so if this is how they get there, more power to 'em. The whole TNA vs WWE mark out pissing contest is also played out in these forums, so whatever... But jtolliver23's post is what I had to question: are you saying Flair could win or lose those matches based on what exactly? Technically he could win or lose all of them, because, you know, its up to the booking. Fact is if Vince McMahon went to John Cena and said "Hey, I need you to put Ric over big time tonight", then Cena would have to job to Flair, am I right? The argument of "is Ric Flair better then most of the combined WWE and TNA (and here's the key part) right now?". Um no, he's not. He will always, always, always be a legend, one of the best ever. Still a great, maybe the greatest promo guy in the biz. But you can't seriously say Ric Flair, at his age can hang with most of the guys in their primes right now. I mean, how could he? I'm 31 and after all the injuries I had playing basketball growing up, I can't athletically do everything I could at 18, so when I play an 18 year old, I have to rely on being smarter then them. Ric clearly has the mind to craft a well thought out match, but can his body cooperate? Not like it could 15 years ago. If Ric is happy working matches right now, good for him, but realistically, I don't think anyone could expect a classic at this point.
 
All sarcasm aside, I pose this question seriously. How old and decrepit does Ric Flair have to get before people lose interest in seeing him actively compete in a professional wrestling ring? Ric Flair was a true legend in the professional wrestling business. He has achieved more than most guys can only dream of accomplishing. But he's old, and let's face it, he has not been aging gracefully. He's a shadow of his former self, in terms of in ring ability as well as on the mic. I have absolutely no interest whatsoever seeing him compete against anyone as we approach 2012, including Sting.

I respected Flair, and liked the angle whereby HBK put him out to pasture like Old Yeller. Years ago. With every passing year, he just gets a little sadder and sadder as an in ring competitor. Mentor, sure. Backstage guy, OK. But in the ring? God no, not anymore.

As you may have guessed, I'm a huge Bruins fan. Loved Bobby Orr, Rick Middleton, Ray Bourque, Cam Neely, and others. But I wouldn't want to see them featured on the program as active players for the defending Stanley Cup Champion Boston Bruins. Their time has come and gone, and as great as it was, it was the past. Granted it's somewhat of a flawed analogy, because there is no kayfabe in the NHL. But even still, even kayfabe can only allow a certain suspension of disbelief, and I think Flair passed it, years ago.
 
Yay. Everyone coming on here saying Sting vs Flair, old farts need to retire.. it's not the 90s anymore.. blah blah blah.. but I'm sure if Flair, Scott Steiner, Hogan, Kurt Angle all went back to WWE, you all would mark out big time.. but since they're in TNA.. it's a bad thing and if they all did retire and never wrestled ever again.. then everyone would come on and say how much the young guys suck and that they miss these old guys.. i say enjoy the old farts while they're still around because once they're gone.. i know I'll be missing them :)

it's kind of like Nash and Booker T.. everyone hated them in TNA, wanted them to retire.. but oh, once they came back to WWE.. everyone cheered and got huge boners over it.

anyway, Sting vs Flair may not end up being a classic but I'm sure it'll still be enjoyable

I do not want to see Hogan, Steiner, Angle, or Flair back in WWE. They really bring nothing to the product anymore. Also, Booker T isn't an active wrestler, and Nash will probably wrestle Punk, and I'm not at all happy about that.

TNA marks act like if any of the old guys went back to WWE, the WWE fans would all mark out. Angle, Steiner, Flair, and Hogan would bring nothing to the current WWE product. Flair would probably just be a manager, Hogan woul'nt wrestle in WWE, probably jut make appearances every few months, I don't think WWE want to touch Angle with a ten foot pole, and Steiner has no chance of going back to the WWE.
 
Really? Because TNA only has Sting, Flair, Hogan. WWE has Kevin Nash, Kane, Undertaker, Lawler. But we all know, TNA has more right?

Please explain to me how TNA is on it's last legs? I don't give a fuck what classic matches they had. There is plenty of people who never witnessed both men in the ring LIVE. That's the fucking point.

You want to shit on TNA doing this but It's certainly okay for Bret Hart to pin The Miz, have a match with Vince MacMahon? Sounds bias bullshit to me.

Half of TNA? I didn't know Sting, Flair, Hogan, Steiner, were considered half of the companies roster when they have about 40 wrestlers.

Kevin Nash can't wrestle anymore, and I'm not fan of seeing him wrestle in 2011. Undertaker only appear's once every few months, has a fued for "The Streak," than leaves again. Lawler put The Miz over earlier this year, and he can still go. Kane hs been putting young talent over for the last decade.

Can Hogan still go? He admitted he can't take a bump anymore, so no.

You mention the Bret Hart vs. Mr. McMahon match. Yes, the match was awful, but it had to be done. It was to end the 12 year rivalry those two had after Montreal, and to kill the Mr.McMahon character. Also, Bret Hart winning the US Championship was just for a feel good moment in Montreal, nothing more. It's not like he returned and won the WWE Championship for 2 months, he forfeited the Championship the next day.
 
Yay. Everyone coming on here saying Sting vs Flair, old farts need to retire.. it's not the 90s anymore.. blah blah blah.. but I'm sure if Flair, Scott Steiner, Hogan, Kurt Angle all went back to WWE, you all would mark out big time.. but since they're in TNA.. it's a bad thing and if they all did retire and never wrestled ever again.. then everyone would come on and say how much the young guys suck and that they miss these old guys.. i say enjoy the old farts while they're still around because once they're gone.. i know I'll be missing them :)

it's kind of like Nash and Booker T.. everyone hated them in TNA, wanted them to retire.. but oh, once they came back to WWE.. everyone cheered and got huge boners over it.

anyway, Sting vs Flair may not end up being a classic but I'm sure it'll still be enjoyable

Let me for one be crystal clear. I do not want Hulk Hogan, or Ric Flair, or Scott Steiner anywhere near the WWE in any capacity, and especially in a wrestling capacity. Admittedly I was a little intrigued about the talk of Taker/Sting leading up to WM, but really, that holds little appeal for me anymore, and less and less with each passing year. Even Angle does not interest me that much anymore, although more so than the other relics. At last he can still walk and can still go in the ring. None of these guys will make me doing anything remotely resembling a mark out.

Booker T is an announcer. I wouldn't mind an occasional match, but not on a regular basis, and not in the main event. And Kevin Nash will be nothing more than a tool (no pun intended) to continue the elevation of CM Punk. Anything more than this does not appeal to me at all.

My position is consistent. No old farts in TNA, none in WWE either.
 
both are a lot more entertaining outside the ring then in it that's for sure

the hype and the promos and the story lines would be just great though the actual match not so much I wonder how many times Flair is going to get in the ring again really this guy has to be in his 60s
 
first off if this posted somewhere else feel free to move it.

how is sting vs. flair not a pay per view mate hogan at bound for glorych they have always had classic matches. with that said we all know sting will win the match and face hogan at bound for glory.

my complaint is the have no in ring cemiistry hwhile flair and sting could have an amazing match no matter what because they can put on at least a 4* match if not a 5* match

in 1997/1998 i wanted hogan to put over sting because of the build of the sting character now i dont care.

sting can still go hogan hasnt been able to put on a good match since summerlsam 2005 and that was because of shawn michaels

sorry my laptop moved the cusrsor and i didnt notice when i was typing hope you get my point
 
first off if this posted somewhere else feel free to move it.

how is sting vs. flair not a pay per view mate hogan at bound for glorych they have always had classic matches. with that said we all know sting will win the match and face hogan at bound for glory.

my complaint is the have no in ring cemiistry hwhile flair and sting could have an amazing match no matter what because they can put on at least a 4* match if not a 5* match

in 1997/1998 i wanted hogan to put over sting because of the build of the sting character now i dont care.

sting can still go hogan hasnt been able to put on a good match since summerlsam 2005 and that was because of shawn michaels

I'm personally not a fan of any of these guys having a major angle amongst each other, I really can't tolerate a Sting vs Flair match and I tolerate a Hogan vs Sting matchup even LESS. However, at the same time, Hogan has not and probably will not ever hold the TNA World Title at this point, keep in mind it's been almost ten years since he held a World Championship in wrestling, and it's pretty safe to say that he's been a semi-retired wrestler ever since his WWF/E run in 2002-2003. Any other subsequent matches that we remember him happening were all special occasions.

However, one thing I am going to boldly disagree with you about is that the only reason Hogan's match at SummerSlam 2005 was only good because of Shawn Michaels, while I'll acknowledge that when you have a really great athlete like Michaels helping to steer the ship in a match it's not going to hurt. However, that's not giving Hogan any credit and that to be honest is an inaccurate if not unfounded thing to do.

By that rationale of what you're saying, all we have to do is take Hogan out of a match with Shawn Michaels and you or I can go right in there in Hogan's place against HBK and therefore have a great match.

Anyway, I can't change your opinion on such a thing, but I have to take a bold stance and just say that I have to disagree about your sentiment there.

But back to the main topic, Sting Vs Flair is a PPV match no matter how old both are, and I am wondering why it's not either. Anyway, nothing changes the fact that this to me is a less than desirable contest.
 
THIS MATCH FIRST HAPPENED OVER 20 YEARS AGO.

JESUS.

Tradition has meant that departing wrestlers put over up and comers, not just wrestle their buddys. They can do that in their spare time, not main eventing ppvs. Why the hell would potential STARS like AJ, Joe, Beer Money, Kaz etc. want to stay at a company that is just rehashing the same old same old that we've seen over TWENTY YEARS AGO? The likes of Jericho, Eddie and co fled WCW to become the top guys of a generation because it was just old coggers not having matches as good as they used to and not putting them over and even though they didn't know it, keeping the company down in the long term. These lessons should have been learnt by now but instead we get this? There is only ONE main event guy at TNA who didn't wrestle at least as far back as the 90s in Mr Anderson and it will come back to haunt them in a big way. Sting, Angle and Hogan have all made gestures towards toning down their schedules.

But mostly, how can this be any good? Flair's body is messed up and his mind is all over the place. Sting wants to retire and hasn't looked in great shape recently. Even if there wasn't 5 star previous between these guys hanging over the event, it would most likely suck.
 
It'll be nice for nostalgia and honestly, I'll tune in to watch it. The last time they faced each other was 10 years ago on the final Nitro. I'm all for it.

TNA is trying to make "money" feuds work and using the biggest stars they have. With all due respect to the TNA originals (and trust me I LOVE AJ Styles, have since the first show, Beer Money is terrific, MCMG were awesome, Daniels is one of my favorites), these guys were given the ball years ago and the ratings were subpar. It only had a cult following like ECW. Now, Bischoff, Russo, and Hogan are kind of using a modified WCW formula. Have big stars in the main event slots and quality undercard matches. And you know what? It works to some extent!

And honestly you can see a difference from WCW because they are grooming stars to take over. First it was Abyss (which failed MISERABLY), then it was AJ with Fortune (as a heel so it flopped), then Hardy (who screwed himself over), Matt Morgan, and now Anderson, Crimson, Bully Ray is getting pushed, Beer Money is getting pushed, Joe is getting a character change (you can see it coming). I truly think TNA is still trying to find their identity. Remember, Hogan and Bischoff have just been there for a year. I think things have been tons better lately, but it won't change overnight. Creating stars takes time...people have to buy in. That's why the WWE undercard sucks because we're force-fed guys and expected to care.

Well, when these stars like Roode or Storm or AJ or Joe get pushed and put over by the older guys, TNA will be in a great place. Until then, they're trying to get viewers to tune in and a lot of old school fans will tune in to see Sting vs Flair and buy a PPV to see Hogan vs Sting. They are still big draws and old school fans don't pay attention to these internet wrestling message boards. They just want to see guys "fight."
 
TBH It's just tna getting desperate for there top show to get ratings so they want to win over the old school wcw fans or wrestling fans in general thinking hogan v sting will sell. But to be fair it's aload of wank if this so called genius plane from russo hogan n bishoff does not pull through for ratings and money tna are doomed to fail... hell they already have the pathetic company just exists with no future direction.
 
TBH It's just tna getting desperate for there top show to get ratings so they want to win over the old school wcw fans or wrestling fans in general thinking hogan v sting will sell. But to be fair it's aload of wank if this so called genius plane from russo hogan n bishoff does not pull through for ratings and money tna are doomed to fail... hell they already have the pathetic company just exists with no future direction.

Umm Hogan/Sting/Flair from last week drew a 1.4 alone. Tell me, that isn't selling? They are doomed because they are having ONE match at a big PPV to conclude a storyline that lasted 1 year? Now, If they didn't...Wouldn't that be considered "tna always not finishing storylines"? Oh look, a another way to complain.

Pathetic company, which you took time to post about. How funny is that. No future direction? Crimson, Gunner, Aries, Roode, Sorenesen, Morgan all ring a bell as the future.

Why bother posting if you have nothing to say but calling them pathetic when WWE has done the exact samething?

-Flair vs. HBK
-HBK vs. Undertaker (twice)
-Triple H vs. Undertaker
-Brett Hart vs. Vince

Tell me who is WWE's future direction? Nexus? Their dead. McInyture? He's buried. Sheamus? He's a joke. Does anyone remember Swagger and Miz were World Champs? I sure don't. John Cena and Orton hog the belts every year. Del Rio is 36 and he is World Champ. Some Youth Movement there.

Yet, TNA is labeled the only company with no direction. Riiiiight.
 
Whilst I don't mind Sting v Hogan/Flair TNA need to realise this is 2011 and this is not helping the image that TNA is where wrestlers go to retire.

The main eventers have an average age pushing 50. That might have been acceptable in the days of Vern Gange and Nick Bokwinkle but when you have the next level containing Beer Money, MCMG, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and the rest yo need to push the older guys down the card.

Unfortunately Dixie can't or won't change anything, or at least not anytime soon. And that is a shame I just hope its not a memorial for the death of TNA
 
Sting vs Angle great. Sting vs Anderson great. But Sting vs Flair? Sting vs Hogan to follow that?? Sting still has some gas in the tank. Why these geriatric matches? Flair is WAY over the hill and quite frankly has been an embarrasment the last 6 or so years. Hogan can barely walk and when he is in the ring looks awful. Geesh, why not just have Hogan vs Flair in a walking cane match!! If Sting is really looking for one final big run, either make a big unexpected move by reuniting him with The Ultimate Warrior and reforming the Blade Runners, OR have the Warrior return to turn on his former partner and friend. We've never seen Sting vs Warrior. What a match that would have been in their primes. What a match it could still be now. But seriously, Hogan or Flair in the ring is like TNA throwing up the white flag of surrender.
 
BFG will have Flair in a debt-on-a-pole gauntlet match with his accountant, lawyers, Irwin R Shyster, business partners and finally his ex-wives.;)

I think the strategy of having Flair/Sting on Impact is that they want to use it to pull in more fans and help further Sting's storyline of doing anything he can to get his hands on Hogan. If Flair/Sting is on PPV not as many people will see it and therefore hurt Sting's push toward Hogan.

As much as I hate to admit it Hogan/Sting is a bigger draw than Flair/Sting. Since it is the biggest event of the year Hogan & Bischoff will use whatever they can to get buyrates up for Hogan's big comeback match. Even if that means sacrificing an event that could be another PPV draw.

Writer's note: Wasn't sure if I would be able to get a dig in on Hogan and Bischoff there but I pulled it out at the end. Self high-five!
 
I think the strategy of having Flair/Sting on Impact is that they want to use it to pull in more fans and help further Sting's storyline of doing anything he can to get his hands on Hogan.


Not a bad thought. BUT, it's a straight up scheduled match. A wrestler preparing to end his career against a guy who should have hung up the boots a decade ago. If Sting wanted to "Do anything he can to get his hands on Hogan" then it would fit a storyline better if he were attacking Hogans friends / group in the parking lot, locker rooms, their hotel, etc. Why not have Sting kidnap Brooke Hogan in the same way that the Horseman used Baby Doll in the 80's. But a straight up match against Mr Senile?? I think TNA can be more creative than that.
 
Not a bad thought. BUT, it's a straight up scheduled match. A wrestler preparing to end his career against a guy who should have hung up the boots a decade ago. If Sting wanted to "Do anything he can to get his hands on Hogan" then it would fit a storyline better if he were attacking Hogans friends / group in the parking lot, locker rooms, their hotel, etc. Why not have Sting kidnap Brooke Hogan in the same way that the Horseman used Baby Doll in the 80's. But a straight up match against Mr Senile?? I think TNA can be more creative than that.

I thought the condition was that Sting had to beat Flair to get to Hogan. My bad.

I agree with your logic regarding what would make the most sense for Sting to get to Hogan. But logic isn't a strong point of TNA or wrestling in general. This is just a case of TNA being able to promote Flair/Sting to pull in viewers. You can't promote Sting beating up Hogan's friends or kidnapping his daughter like you can a match. Your ideas may make for better TV but TNA does not care about better TV, they care about getting viewers for one event in order to promote another event.
 
I thought the condition was that Sting had to beat Flair to get to Hogan. My bad.

I agree with your logic regarding what would make the most sense for Sting to get to Hogan. But logic isn't a strong point of TNA or wrestling in general. This is just a case of TNA being able to promote Flair/Sting to pull in viewers. You can't promote Sting beating up Hogan's friends or kidnapping his daughter like you can a match. Your ideas may make for better TV but TNA does not care about better TV, they care about getting viewers for one event in order to promote another event.


You are correct. It is. But remember it was Flair that made the challenge. So big deal for Sting. It's handed on a silver platter.

BTW, I rarely watch TNA. Not that they are promoting any better than WWE, but WWE is generally a stronger show. With that said, I rarely watch WWE. Why bother when, other than RAW, you can read the results for Smackdown / Impact 2-3 days in advance. LOL
 
Anyone who doubts how much fans are into this Hogan/Sting feud, please watch the last episode of iMPACT Wrestling. When Sting trapped Hogan in the ring the fans went nuts. Was easily the biggest reaction of the night. Just because some nit picking, age obsessed, generic youth wanting, pleb doesn't like Hogan/Sting/Flair - it's COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that's not how the masses feel. The masses want to see these guys and do you know why that is? Because they are invested in their characters. They love Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair and Sting and quite simply don't give a shit about Terry Bollea, Richard Fliehr or Steve Borden (or even know who they are).

I'm looking forward to the match between Sting and Ric Flair and even if the match doesn't produce much of a spike in the US ratings, that's not to say it won't have an effect internationally. In the UK, TNA have doubled their audience over the last 6 months and is the most watched wrestling show on TV for over a decade. A couple of weeks ago being the highest rated TNA show ever as well. And I'm pretty sure when Sting versus Flair airs, TNA will be setting more records. Fans in the US seem loyal to their wrestling show and TNA have struggled (for almost 10 years) to crack that market so perhaps that's why we're seeing these "old guys" in prominent stories, because it's working elsewhere.
 

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