Sting to the WW...F

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This is NOT and Undertaker vs Sting thread, nor should it be made into one. I recently watched the Ric Flair bio on Netflix, and he said something that really got me to thinking. He said of Sting, that he's had one of the greatest careers ever in the industry. But that the biggest mistake of his career was not signing on with Vince McMahon in the 80's, and opting to stay south.
He goes on to speak about thhe similarities between Sting and Warrior, and how much beter Sting is than Warrior. The thing that really struck a chord is when Ric said "Look at all they gave him, and how little he appreciated it. Now just imagine if that was you."

Is what Ric Flair said true? Is Sting's biggest mistake not signing with WWF in the 80's?
Do you think he could have replaced Hulk Hogan atop the pedistal? Do you think there was even any interest?

I personally think that Flair basically hit the nail on the head. Not to say that Warrior doesnt care about the business, because I believe that as time has gone by he appreciates everything that it gave him. But at the time, he was out for one person. We all know that. I think that Sting's superior ability in the ring would make up for the tiny bit less charisma. I think that he could have possibly ushered in a new generation so to speak, a little sooner than it happened.
Your thoughts. Your Welcome.
 
My opinion on this is going to have bias towards the WWF because I never got too into WCW. The little I do remember from early 90s WCW was Sting/Vader. That was a great feud that I really enjoyed. Thats about the only thing I could tell you sting did before his crow gimmick (which was good but I prefer all american sting).

Never thought about Stings possible career in WWF pre Vince purchasing WCW. Replace Sting with Warrior.

I cant help but wonder how great Sting taking the title from Hogan at WM6 could have been. Late 80s Sting vs Late 80s Savage would have been pure gold.

As much as I would prefer Stings in ring ability over Warriors and wonder what could have been if Sting was in those spots......Im still glad it went down like it did. Warrior just that presence to him, he had the IT factor.

What about Warrior gets the same push and Sting still signs? How is stings career booked from 1990-1993/4 in the WWF?

As for Sting, knocking off Hogan in the late 80s/early 90s....no way. His run post WM6 would be like Warriors. When it was time to get the belt back to Hogan, his run would habe been over.
 
I think Sting would have been perfect for the New Generation Era, he should have had Luger's spot. I think in 1991 WWE really wanted him, I think Bret Hart performing the Scorpion Deathlock was proof that WWE would have given Sting Bret Hart's run, if only he had signed.
 
I actually admire Sting for staying away from WWE, it's a brave move and even though he's not as big as the Rock (in terms of global super-stardom) he still carved a successful career in his own right.

As much as I like Ric Flair,most of his motivation to bounce between WCW/TNA and WWE was related to money and not for the love of wrestling,so I feel what he said was true but more from a financial stand point.
 
My question is this:

Would the WWF have signed both of them, or just one of them?

One was the Dingo Warrior, which turned into the Ultimate Warrior. The other was left hanging and moved on to stardom in a new place. Then again, if Sting had followed him, maybe asked for a tryout or Warrior had gone to bat for him, what role could he have played. Maybe Sting would have called "The Flash" or "The Sting" and been similar to Warrior's character. Remember that Warrior won the WWF title from Hogan on April 1, 1990; Sting won his first WCW title on July 7, 1990, so it stands to believe that if stardom equaled up, it could have been Hogan vs. Sting for Wrestlemania 6. Or, if the WWF wanted Sting to have Bret Hart's path, (assuming Bret stayed in the tag team ranks) he would beaten Mr. Perfect at Summerslam '91 for the Intercontinental title, and led up to Sting vs. Flair in 1992, and probably at Summerslam '92 instead of the obscure house show.

The big thing is how many careers it would have affected. First off, Sting was very over with the fans, so if the creative team played it right, Sting would have been the #2 face in the company. (his mic skills would make him more marketable than Warrior) Warrior would have taken a bit of a back seat, and probably have taken longer to win the WWF Title. Bret Hart's singles push would have been delayed. Flair leaving WCW in 1991 would probably have buried the company, unless they used someone new in the Sting role, like Brian Pillman or maybe even Shane Douglas, giving him no reason to sign with Eastern Championship Wrestling, and later helping to start Extreme Championship Wrestling.

Domino effect...
 
IMO Sting was right to stay away from WWE until WCW folded. It was part of his thing. And holding out for a while was good too. But going to TNA was a mistake. He deserves better than being on pro wrestling's D-Show. I understand he didn't want to get screwed by Vinnie Mac, which is fine, but he would have been better off making appearances overseas or working sparingly for other promotions than making himself a big fish in a tiny pond with TNA.
 
Stings biggest mistake wasn't not signing on with the E in the 80's, it was not signing with the E after WCW folded. Sting was a huge part of why WCW won the ratings war for as long as they did. Sting chose yo retire for a few years, fair enough. But as much as I've enjoyed his TNA career, WWE should of been where he went. He could have had classics with Taker, HBK, Rock, Triple H, Kane....the list could go on.
 
Sting was and is absolutely great, he is by far better than Ultimate Warrior, and I don't know if he isn't more popular than him. I remember watching Clash of The Champions where Ric Flair defended his World Heavyweight Championship against Sting in a really fantastic match. As much as I love his 90's persona and some of his TNA work, I have to give him a lot of credit for working his ass off to become a good in-ring presence and a good character in the 80's.

Now as far as dethroning Hulk Hogan, you can't really tell. He would work in the WWF that's for sure, he was interesting, energetic and an easy face to cheer for. He would make the best out of it, and one way or another we would probably see him headlining a WrestleMania against the likes of Hulk Hogan. But it's true, Sting has a great career but the fact that he never had a match, a singles match at WrestleMania is something that hurts is amazing career more than other things, however I can still dream for that day I guess.

But, despite the fact that he wasn't at WrestleMania, he had a great run over at WCW with a fantastic feud with Hollywood Hogan and the NWO. He was the hottest thing going that year, people really loved him and that is one of the reasons that years later fans can still remember how great he was. In the Golden Era he had good reasons to break away and be a relevant star in the WWF, in the Attitude Era he would probably have been one of the stars of the company and nowadays he would still be relevant enough to be part of a dream/pass the torch kind of match. Sting is the proof that if you are talented enough, you don't need the WWE's machine to be successful.
 
In short, I find Sting signing with WWF in the 80's one of the most intriguing "what if" scenario's in all of wrestling. If someone were to maybe, idk, play out his WWF arrival in a book this thread here in the forums *coughcough* I'd keep up with it.
 
Once the new Total Extreme Warfare is out I will be testing this little theory out myself (as it will let you also sim the NWA alliance) to see if a couple of little changes would drastically alter history.

In Sting's case, I don't think he would have gotten the Warrior push unless he had bulked up considerably, to the point that his mobility might have been affected. Savage didn't get the big push for long because Vince still loved his monsters... Sting was big, but never a monster.

Would he have gotten Bret's push, that is also debatable as Bret was getting bag loads of fan mail as far back as 86... and for all his ability it was the Hart pedigree that Vince was initially backing with him.

Thirdly, for Vince to have gotten behind Sting, he'd have had to grab him right out of The Blade Runners... Once he was in the UWF and NWA his path was set as Vince was not given to pushing talent from outside to the top. Guys like DiBiase and Rotundo were WW(W)F first, despite initial mainstream successes being in the UWF or WCW. Bam Bam was green enough in the biz that Vince could claim him for his own but guys like Duggan, Dr. Death, The Steiners, Road Warriors, Perfect and Kerry Von Erich all had moderate pushes because Vince didn't "create them".
 
Once the new Total Extreme Warfare is out I will be testing this little theory out myself (as it will let you also sim the NWA alliance) to see if a couple of little changes would drastically alter history.

In Sting's case, I don't think he would have gotten the Warrior push unless he had bulked up considerably, to the point that his mobility might have been affected. Savage didn't get the big push for long because Vince still loved his monsters... Sting was big, but never a monster.

Would he have gotten Bret's push, that is also debatable as Bret was getting bag loads of fan mail as far back as 86... and for all his ability it was the Hart pedigree that Vince was initially backing with him.

Thirdly, for Vince to have gotten behind Sting, he'd have had to grab him right out of The Blade Runners... Once he was in the UWF and NWA his path was set as Vince was not given to pushing talent from outside to the top. Guys like DiBiase and Rotundo were WW(W)F first, despite initial mainstream successes being in the UWF or WCW. Bam Bam was green enough in the biz that Vince could claim him for his own but guys like Duggan, Dr. Death, The Steiners, Road Warriors, Perfect and Kerry Von Erich all had moderate pushes because Vince didn't "create them".

I find some of this to be true. Vince typically did not give sustained pushes to guys who became big stars before WWE. Initially Vince stocked his roster with stars established elsewhere, some major (Steamboat, Piper, Valentine, Jake Roberts) some less so (Savage) but they had almost no change in character or presentation. Around 1986-87 Vince started creating distinctly unique gimmicks for recently signed top stars, much different from their prior success ala Million Dollar Man, Mr Perfect, The Red Rooster (there are stories that Terry Taylor turned down the Mr Perfect gimmick, great career choice). Still, there were individual circumstances where top stars joined WWE and were not subject to major changes to their name or presentation. Kerry Von Erich, Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson, and LOD were among those. Ravishing Rick Rude was a new nickname but essentially the same character and presentation he played in the NWA. Despite not being "homegrown" or playing a completely different character they all got significant pushes. Von Erich and Blanchard were derailed by drug issues, Anderson went back to WCW for a reduced schedule and to be with former partner Ric Flair, LOD remained in WWE for a decade, into the Monday Night Wars and The Attitude Era. Hawk's untimely death of a heart attack ended the team but Animal remained in WWE well into the last decade. Most famously Shawn Michaels was a major star in the AWA, played the same character for years in WWE, then when his tag team The Rockers was becoming stale Michaels recieved a major push as a singles star, embarking on a HOF career. Ric Flair was clearly established as the face of the NWA in the 80s and was a major player in The Monday Night Wars for WCW. In between he defeated the entire WWE Roster to win the World Title at Royal Rumble and dominated the programming for most of an 18 month run, then was an integral part along with Michaels of several major angles in the last decade, including the pushes of Randy Orton and Batista, WrestleMania bout vs Undertaker, and the biggest retirement angle in wrestling history. Both were treated quite well despite not initially being "WWE creations" or undergoing drastic changes to their name and presentation.

If Sting would have come in when Warrior did he may have gotten lost in the shuffle. Warrior had a "Goldberg esque" monster push and persona. It was organic with the audience in a way that many angles are not. No doubt as a complete character and performer Sting was way better. Warrior had a brief run, Sting is a legend. Sting needed work however to become that good, an opportunity he may not have gotten in WWE, especially coming in at the same time as Warrior and Von Erich.

If he had stayed in the NWA and became a star, his best chance to jump was 1993-94. WWE was struggling, constantly looking for a major star in the post Hogan era. Guys like Kevin Nash & HBK as well as former NWA guy Lex Luger all benefited. Sting would have had a good chance to become one of the top stars in the company.
 
I think someone else said this but as great as I think Sting is (and I think he's always underrated even as an Icon) I just don't see him taking Warriors spot at WM6 because of his size. Back then Vince was still on the bodybuilder kick. Yes Sting wasnt built bad in the late 80s/early 90s but (just throwing out some numbers) he's maybe 6'2 and was around 250/255 then. Warrior was pushing 6'4 and had another 20/25lbs of muscle on him and Vince ate that up.

I think a great time for Sting to have went was January 1991 when WCW decided to make Flair the original champion. Sting wasnt put back in the title picture for over a year, even when Flair left. This is all fantasy but had he went then I think he could have gotten a pretty big push. Former World Champion, as popular as they come and then I think whether he would have gotten a Bret Hart type push would have depended on how over he was. Sting is an all time great but so is Bret so I want to think they would have each gotten pushes and maybe even main evented against each other.

One thing that I always see as a reason Sting didnt join WWE was because of the content and I think even if he went to the WWE in 1988 or in 1991 (in my scenario) the content of the Attitude Era may have driven him away especially since WCW was throwing around tons of cash at the time. Imagine Scott Hall, Kevin Nash already having jumped ship and about a year later Sting going from WWE to WCW as well.

The possibilities are endless.
 
I am not sure if Sting would have been able to take Warrior's place. Warrior had something that had not been seen before and it was a huge draw. At a time when wrestling was becoming Cartoonish- Warrior looked like he ran straight out of a comic book and down the aisle. Warrior had a great look and a crazy intesity - he worked way less then any other wrestler on his level- ever and still remains one of the most finacially successful.
 
I'd like to see everything Flair said regarding Sting and definitely Warrior. I don't have a clue why Flair believes Warrior didn't appreciate anything, was he really close enough to Warrior to really know what Warrior did or didn't appreciate ? I'm not sure.

I wasn't a huge WCW fan growing up but I did watch it occasionally. I liked Sting and found him to be much better as a performer than Warrior. Tbh, though, Warrior in spite of his drawbacks (and he had plenty) Warrior was very popular then and he still is now.

AS far Sting is concerned. I think he was great in WCW, and he could have been big in WWE. But if you look at a lot of performers who went to WWF from WCW, the success they had was mixed. Luger didn't amount to much, the Steiners got the tag titles, Flair was champion but lasted about 2 years if even that. During Hogan's time there, Sting would have had a huge obstacle with Hogan (and others) fighting to keep his spot. Add to that, Vince even several years later, wouldn't give WCW/ECWguys much of a push (if any) for an extended period of time. I would think if Sting left and joined WWF/E, Vince would jump at the chance of making WCW's top star (or one of) look like crap vs. his WWF performers. He would absolutely make sure that his WWF guys looked superior to WCW.


As far as it being a mistake that Sting didn't go to WWF/E, I'm not sure I totally agree with that.
Look at what Sting had:
Top guy in WCW
good pay
decent working relationship with WCW,
say in his career direction

Why should he leave WCW when he's uncertain he'll get the same treatment ? It's a bigger stage but nothing is guaranteed. Vince has a history of falling out with his performers, not very good at keeping his promise to talent, misusing or not pushing WCW talent to make his WWF/E talent look better. I can't blame Sting for not going. Would have loved to see it, but can't blame him for staying true to WCW.
 
I find some of this to be true. Vince typically did not give sustained pushes to guys who became big stars before WWE. Initially Vince stocked his roster with stars established elsewhere, some major (Steamboat, Piper, Valentine, Jake Roberts) some less so (Savage) but they had almost no change in character or presentation. Around 1986-87 Vince started creating distinctly unique gimmicks for recently signed top stars, much different from their prior success ala Million Dollar Man, Mr Perfect, The Red Rooster (there are stories that Terry Taylor turned down the Mr Perfect gimmick, great career choice). Still, there were individual circumstances where top stars joined WWE and were not subject to major changes to their name or presentation. Kerry Von Erich, Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson, and LOD were among those. Ravishing Rick Rude was a new nickname but essentially the same character and presentation he played in the NWA. Despite not being "homegrown" or playing a completely different character they all got significant pushes. Von Erich and Blanchard were derailed by drug issues, Anderson went back to WCW for a reduced schedule and to be with former partner Ric Flair, LOD remained in WWE for a decade, into the Monday Night Wars and The Attitude Era. Hawk's untimely death of a heart attack ended the team but Animal remained in WWE well into the last decade. Most famously Shawn Michaels was a major star in the AWA, played the same character for years in WWE, then when his tag team The Rockers was becoming stale Michaels recieved a major push as a singles star, embarking on a HOF career. Ric Flair was clearly established as the face of the NWA in the 80s and was a major player in The Monday Night Wars for WCW. In between he defeated the entire WWE Roster to win the World Title at Royal Rumble and dominated the programming for most of an 18 month run, then was an integral part along with Michaels of several major angles in the last decade, including the pushes of Randy Orton and Batista, WrestleMania bout vs Undertaker, and the biggest retirement angle in wrestling history. Both were treated quite well despite not initially being "WWE creations" or undergoing drastic changes to their name and presentation.

If Sting would have come in when Warrior did he may have gotten lost in the shuffle. Warrior had a "Goldberg esque" monster push and persona. It was organic with the audience in a way that many angles are not. No doubt as a complete character and performer Sting was way better. Warrior had a brief run, Sting is a legend. Sting needed work however to become that good, an opportunity he may not have gotten in WWE, especially coming in at the same time as Warrior and Von Erich.

If he had stayed in the NWA and became a star, his best chance to jump was 1993-94. WWE was struggling, constantly looking for a major star in the post Hogan era. Guys like Kevin Nash & HBK as well as former NWA guy Lex Luger all benefited. Sting would have had a good chance to become one of the top stars in the company.

You're missing the point to an extent, most of the guys you mention did NOT get the big push, to the main event for a sustained period of time however they were presented.

Some got secondary titles, for a relatively short period of time (Rude got the IC for 3 months, Perfect for less than a year both reigns) but they did not move up the card afterwards in the Bret Hart style push that is now so commonplace from IC to World within 2-3 years.

Perfect, Rude, Steamboat, Von Erich, Bossman did not wrestle main events often, at maximum one PPV or feud. Part of it was down to their size or lack of long term marketability in Vince's eyes, but the other part was that they were not "Vince creations", they all had some kind of success elsewhere that meant they were known before the WWF. If Kerry had gotten the push, they would have had to bring in the whole clan, acknowledge or completely ignore the NWA World title etc, same for Perfect and the AWA the latter would have been jarring ("Perfect has his first World title at last"... erm no it's his 2nd... In Hennig's case when he made his big return in 92, when you thought push and a World title feud with Bret was on the cards... it wasn't and it was Luger and the IC title that he again pursued...

Most outsiders got some push but never for long and always hitting a ceiling, Flair was really the first one to break that ceiling and let Luger and Nash in although it's arguable whether Nash had any actual name value in WCW, Diesel was certainly a Vince creation as was "Stars and Stripes" Lex... the one who had been a Horseman had been all but wiped out by then.

The Shawn Michaels who got the World title and became a HOF er was not "Rocker" Shawn from the AWA. Vince created "HBK" as a gimmick for that early run (that Shane Douglas turned down no less) and that did for his early run but it was the DX Shawn, something far removed and 10 years on from his AWA persona that got him his first World title. The Rockers never got serious push and the LOD were not treated as the dominant team but often behind WWE own teams like the Natural Disasters and Money Inc.

DiBiase and Piper were slightly different, as they had been around the WWWF pre Wrestlemania era or were integral to the birth of it but even Piper never got many World title matches and DiBiase, past the Megabucks never got another main event push ... They were always presented as "one tier down" from Hogan, Warrior, Savage etc which was higher than any of the other guys. The DiBiase win or near loss became an important part of any singles push in that era. Bret's near miss against DiBiase at Survivor Series 90 was the moment VKM could see he would work as a singles star.

Sting's ideal window was 1991, when Flair came over, had Vince signed Sting instead of Flair then I think it would have worked. Had Sting come over to help Hogan and Savage challenge Jake Roberts, Taker and Sid as "someone who knows them all well" and winning that Rumble instead of Flair. Warrior's return would not have been needed and Flair's debut could have come at WM8, attacking Sting and challenging him for the title after beating Undertaker (MegaPowers v Sid and Jake would have been the other main event)
 
I find some of this to be true. Vince typically did not give sustained pushes to guys who became big stars before WWE. Initially Vince stocked his roster with stars established elsewhere, some major (Steamboat, Piper, Valentine, Jake Roberts) some less so (Savage) but they had almost no change in character or presentation. Around 1986-87 Vince started creating distinctly unique gimmicks for recently signed top stars, much different from their prior success ala Million Dollar Man, Mr Perfect, The Red Rooster (there are stories that Terry Taylor turned down the Mr Perfect gimmick, great career choice). Still, there were individual circumstances where top stars joined WWE and were not subject to major changes to their name or presentation. Kerry Von Erich, Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson, and LOD were among those. Ravishing Rick Rude was a new nickname but essentially the same character and presentation he played in the NWA. Despite not being "homegrown" or playing a completely different character they all got significant pushes. Von Erich and Blanchard were derailed by drug issues, Anderson went back to WCW for a reduced schedule and to be with former partner Ric Flair, LOD remained in WWE for a decade, into the Monday Night Wars and The Attitude Era. Hawk's untimely death of a heart attack ended the team but Animal remained in WWE well into the last decade. Most famously Shawn Michaels was a major star in the AWA, played the same character for years in WWE, then when his tag team The Rockers was becoming stale Michaels recieved a major push as a singles star, embarking on a HOF career. Ric Flair was clearly established as the face of the NWA in the 80s and was a major player in The Monday Night Wars for WCW. In between he defeated the entire WWE Roster to win the World Title at Royal Rumble and dominated the programming for most of an 18 month run, then was an integral part along with Michaels of several major angles in the last decade, including the pushes of Randy Orton and Batista, WrestleMania bout vs Undertaker, and the biggest retirement angle in wrestling history. Both were treated quite well despite not initially being "WWE creations" or undergoing drastic changes to their name and presentation.

If Sting would have come in when Warrior did he may have gotten lost in the shuffle. Warrior had a "Goldberg esque" monster push and persona. It was organic with the audience in a way that many angles are not. No doubt as a complete character and performer Sting was way better. Warrior had a brief run, Sting is a legend. Sting needed work however to become that good, an opportunity he may not have gotten in WWE, especially coming in at the same time as Warrior and Von Erich.

If he had stayed in the NWA and became a star, his best chance to jump was 1993-94. WWE was struggling, constantly looking for a major star in the post Hogan era. Guys like Kevin Nash & HBK as well as former NWA guy Lex Luger all benefited. Sting would have had a good chance to become one of the top stars in the company.

Small correction here, LOD did not stay with the WWF for a decade. They were there for two years. Hawk quit the company because Vince did in fact make them do some stupid kid gimmick thing. Animal got hurt and Hawk wrestled in Japan and WCW. The team reunited in WCW in 1995 and was gone by mid 96. The team didn't return to the WWF until early 1997 and stayed until 1999. So in all, prior to the demise of all other options, LOD spend about 4 years in the WWF over an 11 year period.

I'll also point out that Ricky Steamboat was set to get a pretty big push but he got punished for taking time off after beating Savage at WMIII.
 
Would he have gotten Bret's push, that is also debatable as Bret was getting bag loads of fan mail as far back as 86... and for all his ability it was the Hart pedigree that Vince was initially backing with him.

Its hard to believe Bret was getting bag loads of fan mail in 86, considering he remained in the tag team division until the 90s. The tag division was so strong then, he would have been given the push earlier if Vince thought he was going to be marketable. I think Sting may have got Brets push, but it would have just delayed Bret a little while longer. He would eventually have got a push either way.

Thirdly, for Vince to have gotten behind Sting, he'd have had to grab him right out of The Blade Runners... Once he was in the UWF and NWA his path was set as Vince was not given to pushing talent from outside to the top. Guys like DiBiase and Rotundo were WW(W)F first, despite initial mainstream successes being in the UWF or WCW. Bam Bam was green enough in the biz that Vince could claim him for his own but guys like Duggan, Dr. Death, The Steiners, Road Warriors, Perfect and Kerry Von Erich all had moderate pushes because Vince didn't "create them".

This is a really good point. My question is, how big was Sting pre late 80s WCW? Was he big enough for Vince to not consider him his guy and create him? To me it seems Vince would still push outside talent as long as they werent main eventers elsewhere.
 
Sting's ideal window was 1991, when Flair came over, had Vince signed Sting instead of Flair then I think it would have worked. Had Sting come over to help Hogan and Savage challenge Jake Roberts, Taker and Sid as "someone who knows them all well" and winning that Rumble instead of Flair. Warrior's return would not have been needed and Flair's debut could have come at WM8, attacking Sting and challenging him for the title after beating Undertaker (MegaPowers v Sid and Jake would have been the other main event)

This is where your lost me. Flair was such a better fit for the time in WWF. Sting would have had more trouble fitting in on that roster. First, it was the deepest the roster has ever gone. Second, it was very face heavy. The top faces were Hogan, Piper, Savage, Warrior, Sid (pre turn), Taker (post turn) and the top heels were Taker (pre turn), Roberts, and Sid (post turn). They needed a heel way more then a face. Also take into consideration, Roberts wasnt allowed to work with Hogan due to the crowd reaction (Jake DVD).

This considerably woud make 1992 a lot worse. Flair/Perfect were the focal point of the show the entire year. WM8 would have been a lot worse that way. This would take the Savage/Warrior/Team Flair angle away from 1992. Where would Sting fit into Summerslam 1992 with the double main event having four faces in there? I could see him fitting in better late 1992 working with Hall.
 
This is where your lost me. Flair was such a better fit for the time in WWF. Sting would have had more trouble fitting in on that roster. First, it was the deepest the roster has ever gone. Second, it was very face heavy. The top faces were Hogan, Piper, Savage, Warrior, Sid (pre turn), Taker (post turn) and the top heels were Taker (pre turn), Roberts, and Sid (post turn). They needed a heel way more then a face. Also take into consideration, Roberts wasnt allowed to work with Hogan due to the crowd reaction (Jake DVD).

This considerably woud make 1992 a lot worse. Flair/Perfect were the focal point of the show the entire year. WM8 would have been a lot worse that way. This would take the Savage/Warrior/Team Flair angle away from 1992. Where would Sting fit into Summerslam 1992 with the double main event having four faces in there? I could see him fitting in better late 1992 working with Hall.

Sting would have replaced Hogan after Mania 8 and Flair would have been there too, so in essence the Roster would have been stronger by 2 top workers with Hogan no longer in the fed and with Luger already signed for the WBF then within a year, we could have had all 3 of the top WCW guys in WWE. Hogan was ALWAYS leaving after WM8...
 
Its hard to believe Bret was getting bag loads of fan mail in 86, considering he remained in the tag team division until the 90s. The tag division was so strong then, he would have been given the push earlier if Vince thought he was going to be marketable. I think Sting may have got Brets push, but it would have just delayed Bret a little while longer. He would eventually have got a push either way.



This is a really good point. My question is, how big was Sting pre late 80s WCW? Was he big enough for Vince to not consider him his guy and create him? To me it seems Vince would still push outside talent as long as they werent main eventers elsewhere.

Sting was pretty big going back as far as the UWF - Vince cherry picked some of their roster before they merged with WCW, he took DiBiase, Duggan, Bam Bam and Hercules, so he did have his chance to take Sting if he wanted him. Duggan was their top heel at the time believe it or not, and before the Sheik bust he was in line for a massive push... but of those guys he took 1 was a former WWWF man who had title pedigree with them and the other 3 were "big men". Vince went back and raided WCW for some of the others a bit later like Bossman and The Bushwhackers, but he still never went for Sting. Perhaps Warrior by then was ************ his former partner from Vince?
 
I can see Dugan as a monster heel. Dibiase said he got his spot because he put Hogan over big in his early days and Hogan told him he would repay him (and did). I could see Warrior dicking over Sting like that. You would think McMahon would have took Sting just so WCW couldnt have him....even to put him in a tag team, the late 80s saw some pretty legit guys in tag teams.
 
Sting has always been better then Warrior and if Vince had signed him to a contract then i'm sure he would have taken Warriors place at Wrestlemania 6 and would have gone on to be a multiple time WWE champion. The reason for this is because Warrior was too one dimensional, where as Sting was able to change his character and roll with times. If you add this to his superior mic skills and in ring abilitie then it would have made the choice of which one faced hogan at Wrestlemania a no brainer.
 
Sting's biggest mistake was not going to the WWF when his contract with Turner Expired. He could have signed a two year deal. Had matches with the Undertaker, Austin, Rock, Etc.
 

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