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Sting, Hogan and Flair is Exactly What Bound For Glory Needs

Yeah you're right. Damn that stupid TNA for paying tribute to one of the best performers to ever grace a ring. A guy who stayed loyal to their company when he could have easily joined the E and probably have been payed better. Sting wanted to wrestle Flair and Hogan as his last couple of matches as an in ring performer. Those are his wishes. Who the hell are people to say how the Stinger should go out. TNA, being an appreciative company to what Sting has brought to them and the industry as a whole, is granting his wishes. Not because they have to but because they want to. Sting wasn't going to hold up the company if he couldn't wrestle Hogan and Flair for his last few matches. It's called showing respect to people for what they have done. Was the Flair vs Sting match great? No but I found it to be very entertaining. Is the Sting vs Hogan match going to be great? Hell no but can it be entertaining? Maybe I don't know. Even if it isn't, it is about saying goodbye to the Stinger and all that he has done for the wrestling industry. This is exactly what it is about. If people don't like that. That is fine too. Don't watch TNA then.


I'm not sure I can provide an answer to your comments, other than the following: I've already said that I have tremendous respect for Flair, Hogan, and Sting. Their collective contributions to the industry can't be given high enough praise and what they've given to others, to varying degrees of course, is immeasurable. But what I'm not quite sure about is whether or not this is the right kind of send-off for these men. I would much rather see something that has class and dignity as its focal point rather than a poorly put-together match that looks like a shell of what it once was for these men. I actually believe that does them each a great disservice as it clearly shows how much older they are now versus then. For example, when Ric retired with WWE (or his going away party if you will) it was very classy the way their staff and talent paid tribute to him and I thought it was done with great dignity.


But here we find ourselves in this mess where Sting has stolen the gimmick of an actor (ironic?), Hogan is hardly able to walk, much less wrestle, and Flair looks more fragile than ever before. I just think it's a sad way for them to go out and I just believe it could have been handled better.
 
But here we find ourselves in this mess where Sting has stolen the gimmick of an actor (ironic?), Hogan is hardly able to walk, much less wrestle, and Flair looks more fragile than ever before. I just think it's a sad way for them to go out and I just believe it could have been handled better.

Sting's most successful (in terms of popularity and legacy) portion of his career was when he stole his gimmick from an actor, so I'm not sure what that sentence really is supposed to convey.
 
Sting's most successful (in terms of popularity and legacy) portion of his career was when he stole his gimmick from an actor, so I'm not sure what that sentence really is supposed to convey.

It's supposed to convey that with the creation of this latest character, Sting has truly stolen a creation that is a complete copy of a movie character. Yes, I understand his 'Crow' character was also stolen but I would like to believe that some part of how he portrayed that character was his own and not a complete replication of the movie character.
 
It's supposed to convey that with the creation of this latest character, Sting has truly stolen a creation that is a complete copy of a movie character. Yes, I understand his 'Crow' character was also stolen but I would like to believe that some part of how he portrayed that character was his own and not a complete replication of the movie character.

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So you "would like to believe" it was different with the Crow gimmick so it fits your narrative and you can bash TNA.

Got it. Were you watching WCW in 1997? Sting's character was the movie character. Heck, he even did an event (Clash of the Champions I believe) where he debuted the young child speaking theme where he stood in the rafters with a...CROW! The crow then flew down and got on the ropes and made hissing noises at the nWo, scaring them. The child speaking theme he had (which was AWESOME!) was a Crow story rip off.

There's plenty of to bash TNA for, but Sting's gimmick being from a movie isn't one of them.
 
To every moron who says the old fucks have no business wrestling - look up TNA's most recent quarter hour ratings. Then note who drew the highest number. Then go fuck yourselves. Rant complete.
 
To every moron who says the old fucks have no business wrestling - look up TNA's most recent quarter hour ratings. Then note who drew the highest number. Then go fuck yourselves. Rant complete.

You're comparing their 1.3 rating to other parts of the show filled with guys who have no star power and who TNA haven't built into any sort of draws. Wow. Success! If Flair and Sting got a 2.0 or better then you might have an argument, but around a .1 rating better then other segments on the show really isn't anything to go ranting about. If Flair and Sting were still great DRAWS for TNA they should be doing far better numbers then that.

Let's build the entire company around them! Sounds like a great idea.

Go fuck yourself. :lmao:
 
You're comparing their 1.3 rating to other parts of the show filled with guys who have no star power and who TNA haven't built into any sort of draws. Wow. Success! If Flair and Sting got a 2.0 or better then you might have an argument, but around a .1 rating better then other segments on the show really isn't anything to go ranting about. If Flair and Sting were still great DRAWS for TNA they should be doing far better numbers then that.

Let's build the entire company around them! Sounds like a great idea.

Go fuck yourself. :lmao:
But if they drew the lowest QH of the night I'm sure you'd be telling a different story now. Take your excuses and shove them where the sun don't shine. Whether it's a 0.1 or a 1.0 doesn't really matter. The IWC and people like you made it very clear that Sting and Flair are irrelevant in 2011. The QH shows that people tuned in to see them. Not tune out. That disproves your theory which is precisely my point. You were proven wrong, and now you feel like an ass for it. Good. End of story. Look at my signature.
 
Every second that any combination of Sting, Flair, and Hogan are on TNA programming, there is a feeling of "epic" quality. It is History unfolding before your eyes. Hogan uses himself as a catalyst to promote lots of angles within the company, so of the three, he is the only one that MAY be over-saturated. But he is so good, it doesnt matter.

Flair's whole TNA run has been earth-shatteringly good. He wrestles just about as often as he should wrestle, and, no matter how old he is, he is still drenched with charisma. Every on-screen performance he has had, including programs with Abyss, Jay Lethal, managing AJ Styles & Fortune, as Hogan's consigliere in Immortal, etc., he is perfect in all of the roles, a master of his craft indeed. Also, at 63 years old, he is in GREAT shape. He is more jacked and imposing than most of the X-division, and he is in much better shape than his farewell run in WWE!

Sting, since Hogan's interjection into the company and storyline has been equally awesome to watch. I got shivers at his brief heel run when Hogan was mock face in the beginning. He has wrestled through a bad shoulder injury, and held the world title seemingly, when nobody else could. The Joker mystique that Sting has added to his character would be far more interesting to me if he took it further, and went darker. Sting is most interesting when he is misunderstood by the audience. This was the main catalyst for the success of his crow gimic back in 96-97. He is not what he was in the ring, but he is still moving well and putting on quality matches. If this is truly his last great run, I would like to see him tone his muscles more and remove the T-shirt, but at this point, I am thankful for every minute of TV time he has.

Hogan, is at the top of his game as a mouthpeice for TNA. He can flip the switch and become fan favorite at any minute he wants. Every wrestler lucky enough to be directly linked in an angle with him, gets a good rub because of it. He is the best in the company at playing the live audience, and Sting and Hogan are right behind him. Also, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Hogan has been prepping for at least 1 more markee match for SEVERAL years. He is twice as jacked as Hollywood Hogan was in 96-98. Hogan is also a master of Kayfabe and he has given you a lifetime worth of evidence for this. I do not think "his back is going to give out"...he wants you to think it will. It is all part of the show.

Anybody who was a die-hard fan of the nWo Hogan v. Sting fued has to be interested in the current TNA scenario. The backstage scene where facepaint-less sting questioned Hulk Hogan's legacy for his children, and then smeared the red paint on Hogans face was the best vignette I have seen in years. Two legends, hinting at settling old scores, that NEED to be settled, not just for them and their characters, not just for TNA and their fans, but for a legion of WCW fans who have been waiting for a very long time, checking in to the world of wrestling here and there, just to make sure they won't miss out on any possible closure to the nWo psyche, the virtue of Hulk Hogan, and anybody who ever fell under that umbrella of storyline. Since the moment Hulk Hogan first came to WCW his shadow has loomed large over one man in particular, the Stinger. It is also significant to note that Starrcade 97' essentially killed the great mystique that crow Sting built the entire year. No fast count, no pay-off of good over evil, and no great run for the Sting character post Starrcade.

Bound For Glory, Sting v. Hogan will work not only as a draw, but also as a catalyst for the future of the company. If Sting is able to strike a nerve in Hogan and re-draw the powers of Hulkamania, then there is no telling the momentum that this could give to the TNA program. It is a compelling story, the hero, disgraced, and redeemed by old rival. Anything in WWE storylines this good, authentic, and American? This conversion may happen at Bound For Glory, but I wouldn't mind if it happened slowly, over perhaps more than one match between Sting and Hogan built over several months if not upwards of a year.

I have joined this messageboard because I have scourged the internet looking for any sort of a positive buzz on TNA from the IWC, particularly the work of the Legends in TNA. How about some love for Scott Steiner? His body is awesome, his wrestling smooth and psychological. He's doing frankensteiners again for christ's sake!! No love?

It should be noted that I have never done anything like this before (posting on wrestling forums). I have had a casual love of wrestling for many years that has slipped into obsessive love at certain points, when programming was particularly strong. This is definitely one of those moments.

Flair, unable to restrain himself when Sting kissed Hogan a few weeks back on IMPACT, was PRICELESS!! It was so true to his character, and perfect for the angle they are building. I also loved the F-bomb from Flair, it brought realism and passion into the story. "Take it serious" he yelled when off mic...this is brilliant, brilliant, brilliant...young talent will not do little things like this, or "get it" until IWC starts to show and spread love for the work of the Legends, love that is much deserved. How about Sting letting Hogan beat him up in the back??? The build of this fued has been great, and it is owed to the community of fans that are still, in some sad way, waiting for the true showdown between Sting and Hogan that never happened in Starrcade 97, nor at SuperBrawl a few months later, nor during Sting's brief heel turn in WCW.

If I were writing TNA storylines, I would have Sting vs. Hogan at BFG be a brutal squash, so bad in fact, that it turns Sting heel, just out of sheer sympathy for Hogans "bad back". Sting needs to "kill" Hogan in order for him to be born again, and killing even an evil Hulk Hogan will be enough to cement the heel turn that Sting has never been able to realize at any point in his career. Let Immortal fall apart, and turn sting into the Joker-inspired anarchist terrorist he ought to be, and let him be an anti-anti-hero, constantly trying to show the fans the true darkside of their own nature. Let him be the most brutal he has been in his career. Let Sting's last run be memorable because it was ORIGINAL and different. A man true only to his own sense of justice and morality, running amuck in TNA while Hogan sits at home and re-charges the batteries of hulkamania. Let TNA become a place of chaos without Hogan, and Bischoff scared off, or useless in trying to deal with the mad Sting, who now after destroying hogan is drunk with bloodlust. Bring Hogan back to TNA a few months later as the hero, fullfilling Sting's ultimate wish, to get the real Hulk Hogan back, even if it means turning himself into a devil. Then you have the match of the century, Sting v. Hogan, once and for all, Hogan now a christ-like character literally risen from the ashes to redeem himself and save TNA. Bill it as the last match of both of their careers and let it be the last match of both their careers, let them both bleed. Let Hogan power out of the deathlock, after two arm drops, and let him hulk up and pin sting, bringing himself full circle. Let Sting retire knowing he is #2 to Hulks #1, and that he is at least responsible for the redemption of the only wrestler in the world that was better than him.
 
But if they drew the lowest QH of the night I'm sure you'd be telling a different story now. Take your excuses and shove them where the sun don't shine. Whether it's a 0.1 or a 1.0 doesn't really matter. The IWC and people like you made it very clear that Sting and Flair are irrelevant in 2011. The QH shows that people tuned in to see them. Not tune out. That disproves your theory which is precisely my point. You were proven wrong, and now you feel like an ass for it. Good. End of story. Look at my signature.


First, I don't recall my ever having said that Flair, Sting, and Hogan were now irrelevant. Second, if you're going to hang your hat on one quarter-hour rating, it shows just how difficult it is to find that silver lining in not only the ratings for TNA wrestling, but in anything positive that the presence of Hulk Hogan has actually brought to their company. Let me give you some free advice. Try to take a step back, and look at things objectively. Right now you don't. You see things only from the perspective of TNA can't do anything wrong and it has seriously clouded your judgement.
 
But if they drew the lowest QH of the night I'm sure you'd be telling a different story now. Take your excuses and shove them where the sun don't shine. Whether it's a 0.1 or a 1.0 doesn't really matter. The IWC and people like you made it very clear that Sting and Flair are irrelevant in 2011. The QH shows that people tuned in to see them. Not tune out. That disproves your theory which is precisely my point. You were proven wrong, and now you feel like an ass for it. Good. End of story. Look at my signature.

No, you blind mark, the only one whose mad is u.

Nothing about this disproves my theory. Nothing about this HUGE .1 proves I'm wrong or makes me feel like an ass. In fact, it does the opposite. You obviously need to go back and actually READ my post. Because the only post I made in this thread was stating that this angle, and certainly that holds true for this one match between Sting and Flair, does absolutely NOTHING for the long term success of the company. I certainly wasn't proven wrong in that.

You can wave your TNA flag and chant about Impact's success because two old guys got .1 better then every other segment and every other talent on the roster, but to me that's really sad to be praising something like that. So Impact got a 1.2, something they've done many many times before. So a match between two guys in their 50s and 60s, Sting and Flair, was the top rated part of the show. How does that help the company or the show moving forward? Neither of these guys SHOULD be the top draw of the company, because neither of them are going to be around LONG TERM to continue any success into the future. So, once those two guys are gone.. THEN WHAT? There's no one replacing them, and TNA hasn't been successful and isn't being successful in building up any stars who are equal draws as two old men are for nostalgic purposes..

:lmao:
 
On Hogan's back:- like it or not folks, Andre the Giant was in MUCH worse shape than Hogan is currently when he faced Hogan at WM3.

On the ages and abilities of the competitors: Vince vs Bret (who can't wrestle legally), Jerry Lawler vs Miz / Cole / Otunga & McGillicuty / getting squashed by Henry this week or how about the injection of Nash into the current Punk storyline... the biggest Wrestling promotion in the World seems to believe that age and ability don't remove 'draw'. Should their pretenders not take advantage of having three of the top names ever?

On Sting and Hogan not having history: :wtf: Asides from the whole nWo angle you mean? Or how about the way that this feud has been positioned - that HH and EB were the cancer that ultimately destroyed his old home WCW and now they've come into TNA / IW and he is trying to prevent lightning striking twice?

On nostalgia not selling: Again Vince vs Bret, Y2J vs Snuka, Piper & Steamboat or this year's whole WM being completely readjusted to bring back a squad of Attitude guys?


Face facts, there is nothing wrong with this angle, it isn't the be all or end all match at BFG in the same way that Vince / Bret alone wasn't at WM. Kurt vs Roode is heavily pushed; RVD vs Lynn & Anderson vs Bully have built for several weeks; unless I miss my guess, AJ and Daniels are going to get the opportunity to tear it up again - another slow build. Even the KOs are getting a good build into the event. Other matches have also been hinted at (JJ w. Karen vs Kaz w. Traci, Crimson vs Joe and Ink Inc. vs MA). On top of this, we still have guys like Aries, Kendrick, Shelley, Hardy, Morgan, Gunner, Steiner, Pope & Philly fave Devon plus a certain Cowboy.

Love Sting/ Hogan/ Flair; hate Sting/ Hogan/ Flair :shrug: that's your prerogative but don't pretend that this IS the PPV and don't act as if this nature of match hasn't been done before and done VERY successfully!
 
On Hogan's back:- like it or not folks, Andre the Giant was in MUCH worse shape than Hogan is currently when he faced Hogan at WM3.

On the ages and abilities of the competitors: Vince vs Bret (who can't wrestle legally), Jerry Lawler vs Miz / Cole / Otunga & McGillicuty / getting squashed by Henry this week or how about the injection of Nash into the current Punk storyline... the biggest Wrestling promotion in the World seems to believe that age and ability don't remove 'draw'. Should their pretenders not take advantage of having three of the top names ever?

On Sting and Hogan not having history: :wtf: Asides from the whole nWo angle you mean? Or how about the way that this feud has been positioned - that HH and EB were the cancer that ultimately destroyed his old home WCW and now they've come into TNA / IW and he is trying to prevent lightning striking twice?

On nostalgia not selling: Again Vince vs Bret, Y2J vs Snuka, Piper & Steamboat or this year's whole WM being completely readjusted to bring back a squad of Attitude guys?


Face facts, there is nothing wrong with this angle, it isn't the be all or end all match at BFG in the same way that Vince / Bret alone wasn't at WM. Kurt vs Roode is heavily pushed; RVD vs Lynn & Anderson vs Bully have built for several weeks; unless I miss my guess, AJ and Daniels are going to get the opportunity to tear it up again - another slow build. Even the KOs are getting a good build into the event. Other matches have also been hinted at (JJ w. Karen vs Kaz w. Traci, Crimson vs Joe and Ink Inc. vs MA). On top of this, we still have guys like Aries, Kendrick, Shelley, Hardy, Morgan, Gunner, Steiner, Pope & Philly fave Devon plus a certain Cowboy.

Love Sting/ Hogan/ Flair; hate Sting/ Hogan/ Flair :shrug: that's your prerogative but don't pretend that this IS the PPV and don't act as if this nature of match hasn't been done before and done VERY successfully!


With all due respect, I believe you're confusing the fact that the matches you mentioned took place, with whether or not those matches were actually successful or even wanted by a majority of the fans. The mere fact that Bret/Vince took place, does not mean it was successful. In fact, by all accounts, it was poorly executed. Now, do fans love the 'idea' of being able to beat the snot out of their boss and get away with it? Of course. But that idea alone doesn't make that match a successful one. It did provide some closure to the "Montreal Screwjob" but that was about it.

I use that as an example from your comments because the fact that this match is allegedly going to take place does not mean it will be succesful, or that a majority of fans even want to see it. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that a good portion of fans don't care to see this match at all and are concerned not only about how poorly this match will come off, but are concerned that Hogan, if he actually goes thru with it, could be injured. And to what point and what end? To 'get Dixie her company back?' To rid TNA of Hulk Hogan and EB forever? Why is there some stipulation that makes this a loser leaves town match? Cause short of that....

In the end, if TNA is good enough, their fans won't need to keep bringing up WWE to prop up what TNA is doing now. If the product is good enough, it will speak for itself and stand on its own. And maybe THAT is what bothers TNA fans so much!
 
With all due respect, I believe you're confusing the fact that the matches you mentioned took place, with whether or not those matches were actually successful or even wanted by a majority of the fans. The mere fact that Bret/Vince took place, does not mean it was successful. In fact, by all accounts, it was poorly executed. Now, do fans love the 'idea' of being able to beat the snot out of their boss and get away with it? Of course. But that idea alone doesn't make that match a successful one. It did provide some closure to the "Montreal Screwjob" but that was about it.

I use that as an example from your comments because the fact that this match is allegedly going to take place does not mean it will be succesful, or that a majority of fans even want to see it. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that a good portion of fans don't care to see this match at all and are concerned not only about how poorly this match will come off, but are concerned that Hogan, if he actually goes thru with it, could be injured. And to what point and what end? To 'get Dixie her company back?' To rid TNA of Hulk Hogan and EB forever? Why is there some stipulation that makes this a loser leaves town match? Cause short of that....

In the end, if TNA is good enough, their fans won't need to keep bringing up WWE to prop up what TNA is doing now. If the product is good enough, it will speak for itself and stand on its own. And maybe THAT is what bothers TNA fans so much!

I'm pretty damn sure Hogan vs Andre was successful and also Rock vs Hogan. I also know that Sheamus vs HHH and Undertaker vs Barrett / Kane was dropped from WM and that Rock, Austin, Lawler and Stratus were brought in over current superstars. McMahon might not be perfect but he would not keep booking these type of matches if he didn't have reason to believe that they are beneficial to his bank balance (you can be sure that Hart was not cheap).

How do you know Hogan isn't overplaying the injury for newsworthy purposes? If memory serves, keeping in the shape Hogan is requires significant back strength and it's not that Wrestling stars would EVER try to mislead fans though the internet medium.

The storyline? Yes, Sting is trying to rid TNA of Hogan rule - but not Hogan himself, he has stated repeatedly that he is trying to bring back the old Hulk who isn't just going to think of number 1 and he believes that he can bring out that guy under the spirit of competition (just as the Rock did at WM18).

I'm sure you noticed that I said it is only a small part of BFG. Sting vs Hogan is one match on the card and will draw attention because it's between two legends of the sport (three if Flair is involved). For the ECW fans, we have RVD vs Lynn and Bully Ray. For the wrestling purists, there is Kurt vs Roode, most likely AJ vs Daniels and whoever A Double faces for the X belt.

As far as using WWe examples are concerned, for the majority of people to take an example seriously, you have to mention the big dog in the pound otherwise the example is regarded as weak.
 
I'm pretty damn sure Hogan vs Andre was successful and also Rock vs Hogan. I also know that Sheamus vs HHH and Undertaker vs Barrett / Kane was dropped from WM and that Rock, Austin, Lawler and Stratus were brought in over current superstars. McMahon might not be perfect but he would not keep booking these type of matches if he didn't have reason to believe that they are beneficial to his bank balance (you can be sure that Hart was not cheap).

How do you know Hogan isn't overplaying the injury for newsworthy purposes? If memory serves, keeping in the shape Hogan is requires significant back strength and it's not that Wrestling stars would EVER try to mislead fans though the internet medium.

The storyline? Yes, Sting is trying to rid TNA of Hogan rule - but not Hogan himself, he has stated repeatedly that he is trying to bring back the old Hulk who isn't just going to think of number 1 and he believes that he can bring out that guy under the spirit of competition (just as the Rock did at WM18).

I'm sure you noticed that I said it is only a small part of BFG. Sting vs Hogan is one match on the card and will draw attention because it's between two legends of the sport (three if Flair is involved). For the ECW fans, we have RVD vs Lynn and Bully Ray. For the wrestling purists, there is Kurt vs Roode, most likely AJ vs Daniels and whoever A Double faces for the X belt.

As far as using WWe examples are concerned, for the majority of people to take an example seriously, you have to mention the big dog in the pound otherwise the example is regarded as weak.



Well to use your examples, both the Andre v. Hogan and Rock v. Hogan were matches that were viewed as passing of the torch matches from one generation to another. Certainly no one was under the impression that Andre the Giant was 'in shape' as he never was throughout his career. He was just a freak of nature in an 'as is' condition. As for Rock v. Hogan, here you had 2 of the most charismatic figures in the history of pro wrestling, so the upside was a no-brainer. It was executed perfectly. But this one with Hogan and Sting, at best, has been a mess. First we had Sting morph into 'Joker' Sting and he turned his attention to EB and Hogan once again. He loses the belt (allegedly the power in TNA) and then says he has the power with 'the network.' Incidentally this made no sense as why would high-powered television executives deal with a seemingly insane person? Then we have Flair running interference for Hogan. (and don't even get me started with THAT one since for years Flair openly despised Hogan as he thought Hogan was a disgrace to 'wrestling' as he grew up in.) Now suddenly they are pals. Then Flair drops a terribly executed match to Sting to give Sting his match with Hogan. Now Hogan, who let's remember, is barely able to walk, much less wrestle, is trying, trying mind you, (you know he's the guy in CHARGE OF TNA and can't get himself out of a match, if that makes any sense to you.), to back out of this match with Sting. Sting, apparently is now holding all the cards as we make our way toward a match with Sting (who is in his 50's) versus Hulk Hogan, a man who is physically a shell of his former self, in some nostalgia match 'because fans want to see it.'

I get that it's not being billed as 'the match' of BFG, but do you really believe that whatever the results of their match turns out to be that it won't be THE storyline coming out of BFG?
 
You're comparing their 1.3 rating to other parts of the show filled with guys who have no star power and who TNA haven't built into any sort of draws. Wow. Success! If Flair and Sting got a 2.0 or better then you might have an argument, but around a .1 rating better then other segments on the show really isn't anything to go ranting about. If Flair and Sting were still great DRAWS for TNA they should be doing far better numbers then that.

Let's build the entire company around them! Sounds like a great idea.

Go fuck yourself. :lmao:
And I'm quite sure the extra .1 that are watching those segments aren't buying merch. They certainly aren't buying tickets to see 'em live, CAUSE THE OLD GUYS AREN'T EVER ON THE CARD unless it's an iMPACT taping. Yup, self-copulation's in order for ya.
 
Well to use your examples, both the Andre v. Hogan and Rock v. Hogan were matches that were viewed as passing of the torch matches from one generation to another. Certainly no one was under the impression that Andre the Giant was 'in shape' as he never was throughout his career. He was just a freak of nature in an 'as is' condition. As for Rock v. Hogan, here you had 2 of the most charismatic figures in the history of pro wrestling, so the upside was a no-brainer. It was executed perfectly. But this one with Hogan and Sting, at best, has been a mess. First we had Sting morph into 'Joker' Sting and he turned his attention to EB and Hogan once again. He loses the belt (allegedly the power in TNA) and then says he has the power with 'the network.' Incidentally this made no sense as why would high-powered television executives deal with a seemingly insane person? Then we have Flair running interference for Hogan. (and don't even get me started with THAT one since for years Flair openly despised Hogan as he thought Hogan was a disgrace to 'wrestling' as he grew up in.) Now suddenly they are pals. Then Flair drops a terribly executed match to Sting to give Sting his match with Hogan. Now Hogan, who let's remember, is barely able to walk, much less wrestle, is trying, trying mind you, (you know he's the guy in CHARGE OF TNA and can't get himself out of a match, if that makes any sense to you.), to back out of this match with Sting. Sting, apparently is now holding all the cards as we make our way toward a match with Sting (who is in his 50's) versus Hulk Hogan, a man who is physically a shell of his former self, in some nostalgia match 'because fans want to see it.'

I get that it's not being billed as 'the match' of BFG, but do you really believe that whatever the results of their match turns out to be that it won't be THE storyline coming out of BFG?

The above is what's wrong with this whole scenario, although I take objection to some of this. Sting can still go, even in his 50's. Andre The Giant, while having chronic back pain, could still legitimately crush any man leading to WM3. It's well documented the 'E' (and Hogan) were concerned he wouldn't do the job. And not too long ago, when a world champion had the belt (especially the heels), they had the perceived 'power' or 'stroke' in the organization, and suspension of disbelief allowed us to ride with that until the 'real' power of the fed occasionally showed up. From Jack Tunny to Gorilla Monsoon to JJ Dillon to even Eric and Vince, this was time-tested and true.

But this storyline is so unbelievably convoluted, as BrianInAustin points, that it takes away from what it should have been. TNA had a chance to make this an epic final battle, mano-e-mano, between two of the biggest stars wrestling has ever seen, i.e. UT vs Shawn. TNA should have been focusing on the legacy these guys have left with the business. Heck, they could have turned Hogan face a lot earlier and this could have become a feel-good sendoff that even the most ardent 'E' supporters would have looked forward to being a witness to REAL history. Then us fans are more forgiving of the skills and abilities, kinda like how adults listen to a middle school band concert with soft ears. TNA might have actually cracked six digits in PPV buys.

Not only that, some (not all) media outlets might have been amenable to giving some mainstream coverage to it, thus putting eyeballs on....wait for it....THE REST OF THE PRODUCT, which is what a main event is designed to do. Then, wa-la, there's brand new fans of your fed. TNA, I believe, thought the Hogan name alone would bring eyes to BFG. Problem is, if you drop a tree in the middle of a forest, no one in downtown Orlando can hear, it if you know what I mean.
 
everything that needed to be said, from both sides of the issue, has already been said by other posters so ill TRY to keep this short.

lets say it is the right decision to have these veteran stars on the poster and main eventing the show. deep down we all have expectations that this match will be a mess and without a doubt full of interference. any way you look at it this will not be anything epic...im not trying to knock it, just being grounded in reality. so lets say these guys do sell the ppv and it is what makes people buy it. maybe new fans will buy into it and give tna a try.
what will they walk away with at the end of the night? personally speaking tna has a long history of enormous let downs and i expect no different from sting/hogan. actually "let down" is not accurate for me as i have absolutely no faith in this match being decent in the least.
i just dont think its worth it to have the oldest and least talented stars on the roster sell the show on name alone (face it: in ring and on the mic hogan, flair and sting have lost "it"...sting still does retain some decent mic skills though). i believe its going to actually cause tna to lose potential fans, not the fans they have now, but anyone new to tna who might buy it to see these guys. at the end of the night when every match ends in interference (cmon, we all have to admit that tna does that in more than 90% of their matches) and the high expectations of any new fans are grossly depleted by watching how bad the veteran stars they saw on the poster (and paid to see!) have become i think it will actually hurt tna.
hogan, flair and sting IMO should not be the faces of the ppv. rude/angle should be (with other stars sprinkled on it for exposure). why? because the belt should mean more and be bigger than any star and ultimately it will be there longer than any star. i believe that people who could have ordered the ppv because roode/angle was on the poster will be less disappointed when its over than those who bought it for hogan/sting.
 
90% of the matches on the card won't end in run ins because the matches being set up will not require it. Who is going to interfere in RVD vs Lynn? AJ vs Daniels? Crimson vs Joe? The X Division match?

Hogan, Flair and Sting don't appear at houseshows? Wow, that must be a first, for senior members of a roster to have reduced shedules:rolleyes:

As to the poster, of course it features Hogan, Sting, Flair, Kurt & RVD - they're the guys that the casual man and woman might know. What do you want? AJ, Daniels, Kaz, A Double & Joe? To us that might be great but to the average punter that would just look like an Indie.

Brian, how could you regard Hogan / Giant as a passing of the torch? Hogan had been WWF Champion for 3 years and was the biggest name EVER in the business when they faced and the Giant had never been champ. Hogan passed the torch to the Rock? For what purpose? Johnson was mere months from leaving wrestling and had achieved everything in the business. As for Andre's condition, he was in that great a degree of ill health at that time that he was transported down to the ring and it is just inane to say that he was never in shape throughout his career.

Flair doesn't like Hogan in real life? OMG! :disappointed: Hogan's portrayed as the boss, and a heel at that, of course it makes perfect sense for the Dirtiest Player In The Game to be aligned with him.

As for the story coming out of the event, of course it's going to have a bearing on subsequent episodes - every power struggle always has ramifications... come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that I've been watching some other programme that's dominated by boss issues.

Once again (for the cheap seats), if you have three true greats of the sport and you didn't run a programme involving them, most sane people would think you were out of your tree! Angle vs Roode will be the main event and you can bet that it will be mentioned several times that this will be a one time match for Hogan - anyone that is not familiar with TNA will get to see potential great matches from guys like Styles, Daniels, A Double and Roode. They'll get to see how Bubba Ray has developed as well as familiar faces like RVD, Angle, Anderson and Hardy. If this match should be as big a train wreck as Hart vs McMahon; well - so what? The important part will be the standard of the remaining card, that is what will bring new fans in.
 
90% of the matches on the card won't end in run ins because the matches being set up will not require it. Who is going to interfere in RVD vs Lynn? AJ vs Daniels? Crimson vs Joe? The X Division match?

Hogan, Flair and Sting don't appear at houseshows? Wow, that must be a first, for senior members of a roster to have reduced shedules:rolleyes:

As to the poster, of course it features Hogan, Sting, Flair, Kurt & RVD - they're the guys that the casual man and woman might know. What do you want? AJ, Daniels, Kaz, A Double & Joe? To us that might be great but to the average punter that would just look like an Indie.

Brian, how could you regard Hogan / Giant as a passing of the torch? Hogan had been WWF Champion for 3 years and was the biggest name EVER in the business when they faced and the Giant had never been champ. Hogan passed the torch to the Rock? For what purpose? Johnson was mere months from leaving wrestling and had achieved everything in the business. As for Andre's condition, he was in that great a degree of ill health at that time that he was transported down to the ring and it is just inane to say that he was never in shape throughout his career.

Flair doesn't like Hogan in real life? OMG! :disappointed: Hogan's portrayed as the boss, and a heel at that, of course it makes perfect sense for the Dirtiest Player In The Game to be aligned with him.

As for the story coming out of the event, of course it's going to have a bearing on subsequent episodes - every power struggle always has ramifications... come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that I've been watching some other programme that's dominated by boss issues.

Once again (for the cheap seats), if you have three true greats of the sport and you didn't run a programme involving them, most sane people would think you were out of your tree! Angle vs Roode will be the main event and you can bet that it will be mentioned several times that this will be a one time match for Hogan - anyone that is not familiar with TNA will get to see potential great matches from guys like Styles, Daniels, A Double and Roode. They'll get to see how Bubba Ray has developed as well as familiar faces like RVD, Angle, Anderson and Hardy. If this match should be as big a train wreck as Hart vs McMahon; well - so what? The important part will be the standard of the remaining card, that is what will bring new fans in.



Allow me to address your question about Hogan v. Andre first. How do I know it was a passing of the torch? Because HOGAN did an interview about that match in which HE SAID as much. That he and Andre had a short talk before the match that evening and that Andre told him (Hogan) that on that night that he would go over/up that night. Meaning that Hogan was getting the nod that night from Andre. There's no question that's what that match was.

As to what I'd like to see/want as a fan of TNA. Speaking only for myself, I'd like to see far less of Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan on screen as I believe when they get involved physically in any way, it actually hurts the show and the future of the brand. Here's why: As I've said in previous comments, both men are far beyond their prime now and just cannot put on a good match. Now, as a fan, do you really believe it advances their brand to have bad matches air on television? Really? As a businessman, my goal is create a great experience for my customers and to build repeat business. I can't do that if their experience is a poor one because my product or service is seen as substandard. And I'm sorry, but the Flair v. Sting match was not good, nor did it do anything to create future business. And as a longtime fan of wrestling, and specifically a fan dating back to the days even before WCW, back to the days of The NWA, The Four Horsemen, and 'The Stinger' with his multi-color facepaint and blonde hair, this match did nothing to bring back those memories. What it DID do was to remind me of the poor booking of TNA and of how old both men really look now. It made me wonder if this is the best that TNA can come up with for storyline/booking.

Moving on. You ask if I'd like to see more of guys like Roode, Storm, AJ, Daniels, Joe, etc. Yes, yes I would. If booked properly, and if the characters are written properly, they will get over with the fans and won't need aging former superstars in the business to keep them in the public eye and relevant. Example: When I first started viewing TNA, Joe was being booked as a nearly unstoppable monster. Enter Hogan and EB. Joe gets shunned, pushed aside, put in a ridiculous abduction plotline (which they never explained by the way), and the best they can do with him now is to book him as a heel who beats up on guys after matches and seemingly making him look weak when their best direction for him was as an unstoppable force with great in-ring skills. Guys like he and Abyss have a unique look, great camera and mic presence, and great characters, yet TNA buries them in favor of guys like Flair, Hogan, and EB. Not to mention the KO division, which is little more than a knockoff of what used to be a pretty decent diva division up north.

Lastly, if what you're going to say to me, and others, is that TNA needs guys like Flair, Hogan, EB, Sting, and Angle to be a viable product, then their product was never that good to begin with was it?
 
Brian, how could you regard Hogan / Giant as a passing of the torch? Hogan had been WWF Champion for 3 years and was the biggest name EVER in the business when they faced and the Giant had never been champ. Hogan passed the torch to the Rock? For what purpose? Johnson was mere months from leaving wrestling and had achieved everything in the business. As for Andre's condition, he was in that great a degree of ill health at that time that he was transported down to the ring and it is just inane to say that he was never in shape throughout his career.

Your 'torch' facts are flawed here. Hogan was the biggest name at that time, but not EVER. Passing the torch in wrestling means you're legitimizing the opponent as being one of the best ever and can trust them with carrying the fed. Andre had never been pinned to that point; any losses he had were by DQ-type situations. He was never given the strap before then because it wasn't believable that ANYBODY could beat him, so a believable way of getting the title off him would be impossible at that time. Hogan/Rock was at WM 18; Rock wrestled for two more years. No wrestler had taken off in films before, so a little shortsightedness from Vince stopped him from locking Rock up to a long-term deal. And BTW, if you were 7'-4" and north of 500 lbs, would you have wanted to walk that ramp that day, or have you not noticed how ridiculously long that thing was?
 
Allow me to address your question about Hogan v. Andre first. How do I know it was a passing of the torch? Because HOGAN did an interview about that match in which HE SAID as much. That he and Andre had a short talk before the match that evening and that Andre told him (Hogan) that on that night that he would go over/up that night. Meaning that Hogan was getting the nod that night from Andre. There's no question that's what that match was.

Hogan said so? Really? Must be true then:rolleyes: Hogan might have revolutionised wrestling but he's about as believable as Matt Hardy. If you want an indication "Andre told him (Hogan) that on that night that he would go over/up that night." Why would Andre tell him this? Vince said who would go over, not Andre. Sting beating Flair for his first World Title or Brock Lesnar beating Hogan, the Rock and the Undertaker are examples of getting put over, the World Champion of three years defeating a guy who's never held the championship is not. Would Hogan not be who he is if he'd never fought Andre? I defy anyone to argue that he wouldn't. Andre was portrayed as an unbeatable Giant, this was and has been used since Wrestling was in it's infancy and is being used at the moment by Mark Henry.

Your 'torch' facts are flawed here. Hogan was the biggest name at that time, but not EVER. Passing the torch in wrestling means you're legitimizing the opponent as being one of the best ever and can trust them with carrying the fed. Andre had never been pinned to that point; any losses he had were by DQ-type situations. He was never given the strap before then because it wasn't believable that ANYBODY could beat him, so a believable way of getting the title off him would be impossible at that time. Hogan/Rock was at WM 18; Rock wrestled for two more years. No wrestler had taken off in films before, so a little shortsightedness from Vince stopped him from locking Rock up to a long-term deal. And BTW, if you were 7'-4" and north of 500 lbs, would you have wanted to walk that ramp that day, or have you not noticed how ridiculously long that thing was?

Who was a bigger star than Hogan prior to Hulkamania? Vince and Hulk brought the WWF from North Eastern small venues to international Stadiums. Andre never carried the federation, so how does that argument hold any water? Andre lost clean in International matches and was portrayed as an equal but not superior to the top guys from the WWF's main competitors in inter promotional matches. 7'4" inches? Your joking, right? As I've already stated, Monsoon was doing his job in portraying Andre as unbeatable because we had to believe that Hulk was in legitimate peril - just the same as we had to believe that he was unlikely to beat King Kong Bundy in the cage at the previous WM.

Wikipedia: The Princess Bride
André the Giant had undergone major back surgery prior to filming, and despite his great size, could not support the weight of the much lighter Cary Elwes or Robin Wright for a scene at the end of the film. For the wrestling scene, when Elwes was pretending to hang on André's back, he was actually walking on a series of ramps below the camera during close-ups. For the wide shots, a stunt double took the place of André; on close examination, it is apparent that the double is much smaller than André.

This filming happened between WM2 and WM3.

The Rock wrestled from WrestleMania 18 to Summerslam (approx 5 months) and then vanished for the remainder of the year, reappearing to face Hogan in February, Austin in March and Goldberg in April. Cameos would be a good description of his remaining time in wrestling. This doesn't detract from the fact that he didn't require the rub from Hogan - he had already passed Hogan's WWF title count by the time the two had faced and helped his company defeat Hollywood's.

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Who's presented as the bigger star in that clip?

As to what I'd like to see/want as a fan of TNA. Speaking only for myself, I'd like to see far less of Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan on screen as I believe when they get involved physically in any way, it actually hurts the show and the future of the brand. Here's why: As I've said in previous comments, both men are far beyond their prime now and just cannot put on a good match. Now, as a fan, do you really believe it advances their brand to have bad matches air on television? Really? As a businessman, my goal is create a great experience for my customers and to build repeat business. I can't do that if their experience is a poor one because my product or service is seen as substandard. And I'm sorry, but the Flair v. Sting match was not good, nor did it do anything to create future business. And as a longtime fan of wrestling, and specifically a fan dating back to the days even before WCW, back to the days of The NWA, The Four Horsemen, and 'The Stinger' with his multi-color facepaint and blonde hair, this match did nothing to bring back those memories. What it DID do was to remind me of the poor booking of TNA and of how old both men really look now. It made me wonder if this is the best that TNA can come up with for storyline/booking.

And that is your prerogative, that doesn't make IDR's case any less relevant. As for me, it did bring back good memories of their rivalries in the NWA and WCW - if it wasn't up to the standard of the late 80s / early 90s :shrug:, I still enjoy Jerry Lawler too, does it make me a bad person? It was their first match since 2001 and what, Flair's tenth televised match since he joined TNA over two and a half years ago?

Moving on. You ask if I'd like to see more of guys like Roode, Storm, AJ, Daniels, Joe, etc. Yes, yes I would. If booked properly, and if the characters are written properly, they will get over with the fans and won't need aging former superstars in the business to keep them in the public eye and relevant. Example: When I first started viewing TNA, Joe was being booked as a nearly unstoppable monster. Enter Hogan and EB. Joe gets shunned, pushed aside, put in a ridiculous abduction plotline (which they never explained by the way), and the best they can do with him now is to book him as a heel who beats up on guys after matches and seemingly making him look weak when their best direction for him was as an unstoppable force with great in-ring skills. Guys like he and Abyss have a unique look, great camera and mic presence, and great characters, yet TNA buries them in favor of guys like Flair, Hogan, and EB. Not to mention the KO division, which is little more than a knockoff of what used to be a pretty decent diva division up north.

Actually, I asked who makes the most business sense to appear of the promotional poster. In a US population of 307 million, how many know AJ and the other originals? Now, how much does that recognition increase when you're talking about Hogan, Flair, Sting, Angle and RVD? Unless you truly believe that people would only tune in to see the Hogan / Sting match - go "That's crap!" and turn off without giving the other 6 or 7 matches a chance, this is still a good promotional idea. How many promotional matches have happened at PPVs before were the special guest hasn't any wrestling experience?

Lastly, if what you're going to say to me, and others, is that TNA needs guys like Flair, Hogan, EB, Sting, and Angle to be a viable product, then their product was never that good to begin with was it?

No, I said that you make the best of what you've got and to ignore the biggest names on your roster for your biggest PPV is idiocy.
 
Hogan said so? Really? Must be true then:rolleyes: Hogan might have revolutionised wrestling but he's about as believable as Matt Hardy. If you want an indication "Andre told him (Hogan) that on that night that he would go over/up that night." Why would Andre tell him this? Vince said who would go over, not Andre. Sting beating Flair for his first World Title or Brock Lesnar beating Hogan, the Rock and the Undertaker are examples of getting put over, the World Champion of three years defeating a guy who's never held the championship is not. Would Hogan not be who he is if he'd never fought Andre? I defy anyone to argue that he wouldn't. Andre was portrayed as an unbeatable Giant, this was and has been used since Wrestling was in it's infancy and is being used at the moment by Mark Henry.



Who was a bigger star than Hogan prior to Hulkamania? Vince and Hulk brought the WWF from North Eastern small venues to international Stadiums. Andre never carried the federation, so how does that argument hold any water? Andre lost clean in International matches and was portrayed as an equal but not superior to the top guys from the WWF's main competitors in inter promotional matches. 7'4" inches? Your joking, right? As I've already stated, Monsoon was doing his job in portraying Andre as unbeatable because we had to believe that Hulk was in legitimate peril - just the same as we had to believe that he was unlikely to beat King Kong Bundy in the cage at the previous WM.



This filming happened between WM2 and WM3.

The Rock wrestled from WrestleMania 18 to Summerslam (approx 5 months) and then vanished for the remainder of the year, reappearing to face Hogan in February, Austin in March and Goldberg in April. Cameos would be a good description of his remaining time in wrestling. This doesn't detract from the fact that he didn't require the rub from Hogan - he had already passed Hogan's WWF title count by the time the two had faced and helped his company defeat Hollywood's.

[YOUTUBE]uf6S1GL3rLY[/YOUTUBE]​

Who's presented as the bigger star in that clip?



And that is your prerogative, that doesn't make IDR's case any less relevant. As for me, it did bring back good memories of their rivalries in the NWA and WCW - if it wasn't up to the standard of the late 80s / early 90s :shrug:, I still enjoy Jerry Lawler too, does it make me a bad person? It was their first match since 2001 and what, Flair's tenth televised match since he joined TNA over two and a half years ago?



Actually, I asked who makes the most business sense to appear of the promotional poster. In a US population of 307 million, how many know AJ and the other originals? Now, how much does that recognition increase when you're talking about Hogan, Flair, Sting, Angle and RVD? Unless you truly believe that people would only tune in to see the Hogan / Sting match - go "That's crap!" and turn off without giving the other 6 or 7 matches a chance, this is still a good promotional idea. How many promotional matches have happened at PPVs before were the special guest hasn't any wrestling experience?



No, I said that you make the best of what you've got and to ignore the biggest names on your roster for your biggest PPV is idiocy.



So if I'm quoting you accurately here's what you believe.

1. Andre didn't put Hogan over, because Hogan was a legit Superstar in the business by then.

2. When Hogan/NWO came to WWE, Rock was a bigger star in the business than Hogan. (re: I take you back to point #1 and ask how did Hogan become less of a star than Rock AFTER he was a Superstar when he and Andre met at WM?)

3. TNA should use Hogan because he IS a Superstar and is big enough to help carry the company with his presence there. (still struggling with this because according to you Rock is a bigger star; or was it Hogan? Wait, Hogan was bigge when he wrestled Andre, but less of a star than Rock when they met in WWE and eventually wrestled. Now he's a bigger star again since he's in TNA. Got it now. I think.)

4. TNA, according to you, should use stars like Sting, Hogan, EB, and Angle to continue to build their brand. Now, I just want to ask. How long? How much longer should we give TNA and their 'stars', you know, Sting, Hogan, EB, and Angle, to build their brand? Is their brand growing? Judging by their flat ratings, the answer seems to be no. No for the last 2 years. So tell me again how Hogan, EB, Sting, and Angle are growing the TNA brand? Oh wait...I bet it's AJ's fault cause nobody knows who he is. But wait. He's had feuds with Sting AND Angle. He was a member of Fortune with Ric Flair. How is it no one knows who he is if he's been around those legendary superstars? Oh wait...I bet it's Dixie's fault right?

See this is the problem with your argument. No matter how you slice and dice it, the RESULTS don't lie! Sting, Hogan, Angle, EB, AND Flair haven't been able to grow the brand in 2 years. 2 YEARS!!!

So tell me. How should TNA proceed?
 
So if I'm quoting you accurately here's what you believe.

1. Andre didn't put Hogan over, because Hogan was a legit Superstar in the business by then.

Correct. With all the best will in the world, remove The Princess Bride, WM3 & the subsequent Million Dollar Man story and poor Andre would hardly be remembered today.

2. When Hogan/NWO came to WWE, Rock was a bigger star in the business than Hogan. (re: I take you back to point #1 and ask how did Hogan become less of a star than Rock AFTER he was a Superstar when he and Andre met at WM?)

When the nWo came to the WWF, it was not their concept so like the WCW / ECW invasion it was portrayed as inferior. Do you disagree? Have you ever heard of the term "But what have you done for me lately?"

3. TNA should use Hogan because he IS a Superstar and is big enough to help carry the company with his presence there. (still struggling with this because according to you Rock is a bigger star; or was it Hogan? Wait, Hogan was bigge when he wrestled Andre, but less of a star than Rock when they met in WWE and eventually wrestled. Now he's a bigger star again since he's in TNA. Got it now. I think.)

Petulance asides, if you are advertising a product outside of your normal region (the South East), of course you should use your most recognisable assets.

4. TNA, according to you, should use stars like Sting, Hogan, EB, and Angle to continue to build their brand. Now, I just want to ask. How long? How much longer should we give TNA and their 'stars', you know, Sting, Hogan, EB, and Angle, to build their brand? Is their brand growing? Judging by their flat ratings, the answer seems to be no. No for the last 2 years. So tell me again how Hogan, EB, Sting, and Angle are growing the TNA brand? Oh wait...I bet it's AJ's fault cause nobody knows who he is. But wait. He's had feuds with Sting AND Angle. He was a member of Fortune with Ric Flair. How is it no one knows who he is if he's been around those legendary superstars? Oh wait...I bet it's Dixie's fault right?

See this is the problem with your argument. No matter how you slice and dice it, the RESULTS don't lie! Sting, Hogan, Angle, EB, AND Flair haven't been able to grow the brand in 2 years. 2 YEARS!!!

So tell me. How should TNA proceed?

I have yet to mention Eric Bischoff - there seems to be a fascination there. This thread is about one PPV match and yet, as you are wont to do, you tie it back to their general business strategy. Tell me how it makes more sense to use posters featuring the lesser known members of the roster over their most well known guys in a new territory, because that is pertinent to the thread, and leave the 'throwing spaghetti' rhetoric to state of TNA / IW threads. But to address one point, yes I do think it makes sense to use Hogan, Flair and Sting IF they keep at their recent push to make TNA more of an on the road company because advertising featuring these guys has a proven record in new areas (just google Maximum Impact Tour).

One match in a PPV featuring two (possibly three) legends, it's not the first time this tactic has been used and it sure as hell will not be the last. Plus, on top of that, we get a guy who has paid his dues getting his shot at the brass ring against one of the best in ring generals ever. Or, a rejuvenated Bully Ray against Mr Anderson - a pairing that has had great chemistry thus far. Or, two Philly favourites going at it one more time in their old stomping ground. Or (unless I miss my guess), two TNA originals putting on a match that TNA addicts never tire off and new fans should love.
 
Correct. With all the best will in the world, remove The Princess Bride, WM3 & the subsequent Million Dollar Man story and poor Andre would hardly be remembered today.



When the nWo came to the WWF, it was not their concept so like the WCW / ECW invasion it was portrayed as inferior. Do you disagree? Have you ever heard of the term "But what have you done for me lately?"



Petulance asides, if you are advertising a product outside of your normal region (the South East), of course you should use your most recognisable assets.



I have yet to mention Eric Bischoff - there seems to be a fascination there. This thread is about one PPV match and yet, as you are wont to do, you tie it back to their general business strategy. Tell me how it makes more sense to use posters featuring the lesser known members of the roster over their most well known guys in a new territory, because that is pertinent to the thread, and leave the 'throwing spaghetti' rhetoric to state of TNA / IW threads. But to address one point, yes I do think it makes sense to use Hogan, Flair and Sting IF they keep at their recent push to make TNA more of an on the road company because advertising featuring these guys has a proven record in new areas (just google Maximum Impact Tour).

One match in a PPV featuring two (possibly three) legends, it's not the first time this tactic has been used and it sure as hell will not be the last. Plus, on top of that, we get a guy who has paid his dues getting his shot at the brass ring against one of the best in ring generals ever. Or, a rejuvenated Bully Ray against Mr Anderson - a pairing that has had great chemistry thus far. Or, two Philly favourites going at it one more time in their old stomping ground. Or (unless I miss my guess), two TNA originals putting on a match that TNA addicts never tire off and new fans should love.



Sooooo, Hogan was a bigger star than Andre, less of a star than Rock, but a big enough star build the TNA brand, even though after 2 years there is no evidence to support that theory. Got it!!!

Now as to my question about how long you use these legendary superstars. You haven't answered that one. How long should TNA use them given their shelf lives are dwindling rapidly.
 
Sooooo, Hogan was a bigger star than Andre, less of a star than Rock, but a big enough star build the TNA brand, even though after 2 years there is no evidence to support that theory. Got it!!!

When the world shakes down Hogan and Austin will be remembered as the biggest wrestling names, but that doesn't mean that Vince didn't treat the Rock as the bigger star during the whole nWo feud. Personally, I'd list them Hogan > Rock > Andre but without that much of a chasm between them.

There is no evidence in the States because they have only changed the business model of moving outside of the Impact Zone in the US very recently and they still don't tape IW outside of the SE - as I've already stated. In the UK however, IW has ratings about double that of RAW & SD.

Now as to my question about how long you use these legendary superstars. You haven't answered that one. How long should TNA use them given their shelf lives are dwindling rapidly.

Once again, this is about a single match at a single PPV so how long they should use Hogan, Flair and Sting isn't relevant to the post; but if it's causing you sleepless nights... my opinion is that their longevity would be contingent on TNA's aspirations. If they try to expand their geographical area for IW tapings, then yes they should use the banner names to get people into the tapings until they have enough brand awareness to let them go. If they are happy with their lot in the SE, then they should let them go at the earliest opportunity and plumb the money into other avenues, for example - bringing in recognisable performers like the World's Greatest Tag Team & MVP plus the best of the Indy scene (as they have recently shown a willingness to do with the X Division).
 

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