Start of Cena Heel Turn?

[FightOwensFight]

I know, I know. It is brought up all the time and people always say it won't happen. WWE wouldn't make their largest cash-cow a heel and crush all the hearts of the children. But, Cena is now the only person that can put Steph and HHH back in charge. I can't see them being out of power forever, so they will likely come back at some point. Cena will have to allow that to happen. What happens if, over the course of the next 6 months or so, Cena starts to take a back-seat to some of the younger talent that seem to be getting pushes (Ziggler, Ryback, Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Wyatt, etc.). He doesn't want to lose his spot, so he plays his ace in the hole. He brings back The Authority to improve his position.

I know it isn't likely, and would require a pretty long build (which WWE has actually shown the ability to do recently, especially with the Daniel Bryan angle last year), but it is really the most believable reason for him to potentially go heel he has ever had.

Thoughts?

 

[laodaron]

Honestly, this is the closest and most likely situation that would be able to turn Cena heel. When Vince gave that condition last night at Survivor Series, I honestly thought, oh shit, they just turned Cena heel.

 

[Navi]

I know, I know. It is brought up all the time and people always say it won't happen. WWE wouldn't make their largest cash-cow a heel and crush all the hearts of the children. But, Cena is now the only person that can put Steph and HHH back in charge. I can't see them being out of power forever, so they will likely come back at some point. Cena will have to allow that to happen. What happens if, over the course of the next 6 months or so, Cena starts to take a back-seat to some of the younger talent that seem to be getting pushes (Ziggler, Ryback, Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Wyatt, etc.). He doesn't want to lose his spot, so he plays his ace in the hole. He brings back The Authority to improve his position.

I know it isn't likely, and would require a pretty long build (which WWE has actually shown the ability to do recently, especially with the Daniel Bryan angle last year), but it is really the most believable reason for him to potentially go heel he has ever had.

Thoughts?

First of all Cena isn't getting any younger. He's also been known to work through injuries that would sideline other people. So why in the name of God, would he want to halt anyone's progress?

We saw what happens this year when the WWE doesn't start to build new main eventers. When Reigns and Bryan went down with injuries who were we left with, Cena, Ziggler and Sheamus, the rest were heels. Do we really want another 12 years of Cena at the top with no one else to fall back on.

Cena doesn't have to be in the main event of every PPV, that's what everyone bitches about. He doesn't have to be the focus of every major feud going and he doesn't have to carry this company on his back. There are plenty more people ready, willing and able to take over, if McMahon would let them.

There is an old saying "Many hands make lighter work". in the case of the WWE, they have put it in Cena's hands for a long time now. It's time to take it from him, and start passing the workload around. No one is ever going to get anywhere as long as you have the bottleneck at the top.

 

[FightOwensFight]

First of all Cena isn't getting any younger. He's also been known to work through injuries that would sideline other people. So why in the name of God, would he want to halt anyone's progress?

We saw what happens this year when the WWE doesn't start to build new main eventers. When Reigns and Bryan went down with injuries who were we left with, Cena, Ziggler and Sheamus, the rest were heels. Do we really want another 12 years of Cena at the top with no one else to fall back on.

Cena doesn't have to be in the main event of every PPV, that's what everyone bitches about. He doesn't have to be the focus of every major feud going and he doesn't have to carry this company on his back. There are plenty more people ready, willing and able to take over, if McMahon would let them.

There is an old saying "Many hands make lighter work". in the case of the WWE, they have put it in Cena's hands for a long time now. It's time to take it from him, and start passing the workload around. No one is ever going to get anywhere as long as you have the bottleneck at the top.

Why would he want to halt someones's progress? Because the desire to stay in the limelight and stay relevant is human nature? He wrestles hurt? That is a behind the scenes thing. Same with WWE not wanting to be left without top stars. I agree that they should go in that direction. I just think that going in that direction, when Cena has been THE MAN for more than a decade, would be ample reason for Cena to do something drastic to stay on top.

 

[Mudlup50]

I don't see it as a Cena heel turn, I could see it like that so I get where the post is coming from, but it won't be. I picture it this way:

On Raw tonight Larry the Cable Guy is the GM. I could believe him following wrestling enough to make a few matches and do the GM thing. Meanwhile vignettes are played announcing the return of Vince next week.

Next week Vince shows up and announces that at TLC he'll announce who the new GM is(I wanna say TLC isn't that far off). When we finally get to TLC he hasn't made his announcement and Cena/Lesnar starts. And similar to what we saw at NoC, Triple H comes out and attacks Cena. Vince comes out and says he was going to make John Laurenitis GM but due to HHH's actions, Vince will be the GM.

At first he's a face manager but gradually he turns heel during the Road To Wrestlemania eventually forcing Cena to want to bring Triple H back in power. It could lead to Vince's guy versus Triple H or His Guy. And Triple H gets back in power as a face after Stephanie gives birth or whatever if she's actually pregnant

 

[OYDK]

Yeah, I don't see a heel turn for Cena happening here. I think whoever the next authority figure is in the WWE is originally going to be a face, but will gradually start heading in the heel direction to the point where they become 10 times worse than The Authority. This will force Cena to use his right to bring The Authority back to power.

Whether this Authority figure is Vince, Sting, Foley, or whoever, I can see HHH facing somebody for control of the company at Mania.

 

[Mustang Sally]

....Cena starts to take a back-seat to some of the younger talent that seem to be getting pushes (Ziggler, Ryback, Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Wyatt, etc.). He doesn't want to lose his spot, so he plays his ace in the hole. He brings back The Authority to improve his position.

It's an interesting thought and might be adopted in some form. I like the idea of Cena turning bad, using the comeback of the Authority as a catalyst. Associate him with Triple H & Stephanie....and Cena is 3/4 there.

As for the part about stepping back to let younger guys take the spotlight ....well, that sure was in evidence last night, no? The captain gets eliminated, leaving the spotlight to the (presumably) weakest member of the team, Dolph Ziggler. I would imagine that folks predicting what would happen would have said it'd be Cena against multiple Authority guys.....maybe he wins, maybe not, but he winds up smelling like roses.....but it wasn't that way, was it?

I'll say this: for all the "Cena never puts anyone over" garbage we constantly read on this forum, his actions last night surprised the hell out of me and showed, once again, that he's helped to put people over more than any WWE champ I've ever seen......and cementing it by his coming out to embrace Dolph after the match.

But turning Cena bad in connection with the Authority might be an excellent way to finally get it done. It would absolutely huge.

 

[Jonyboyuk2]

It would be a perfect way to turn Cena heel; he does a deal with HHH and turns heel on a face. It is actually one of the better clauses WWE has put in place for Cena and I think this is awesome and planted a seed for the future. WWE rarely does that these days so it is masterful story telling for a change.

However, what I see as the likely situation is he reinstates HHH if HHH grants him a shot at Brock Lesnar at the Rumble. And like another contributer above said; likely that it will lead to a Vince V HHH power struggle for WM31.

 

[peepshow]

It would be a perfect way to turn Cena heel; he does a deal with HHH and turns heel on a face. It is actually one of the better clauses WWE has put in place for Cena and I think this is awesome and planted a seed for the future. WWE rarely does that these days so it is masterful story telling for a change.

However, what I see as the likely situation is he reinstates HHH if HHH grants him a shot at Brock Lesnar at the Rumble. And like another contributer above said; likely that it will lead to a Vince V HHH power struggle for WM31.

Sound logic, but remember - Cena already earned his title shot at Rumble by beating Randy Orton at Hell in a Cell. I agree that Cena might become the focal point of the Vince vs. HHH thing, but I'm not ready to say that a Cena heel turn will be the end result of the storyline. When it comes down to it, I just don't think that WWE has the stones to move forward with a heel John Cena. I'd be happy for them to prove me wrong, though.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

I had this idea and on paper, sure it can happen. The thing is, they won't turn Cena as you said, only if he is alost out of the door and they need to give the next big face the torch.

On paper, it can be done, because yea, HHH can't stay out forever. If he is to come back, then Cena is the only one who can do it. How does that work? Maybe Cena gets tormented every week by Superstars, so his final way to solve the problem is bringing back HHH to help clear the chaos. It can work. It can also be Cena turning heel bringing them back.

The most likely thing is that in 2-3 years, they will have just forgotten this stipulation and HHH will come back nonetheless, without anyone's approval. Basically, this stipulation is there right now because they want the "you won't be GM anymore" make sense. As soon as time goes by, people will forget about it and the Authority will eventually come back. I mean, how many times did they jump over plot holes? Big Show's iron clan contract, HHH firing Vince himself, Cena losing his job, yet being backstage attacking people, which should be a crime and he should be in jail etc etc...

 

[Navi]

Why would he want to halt someones's progress? Because the desire to stay in the limelight and stay relevant is human nature? He wrestles hurt? That is a behind the scenes thing. Same with WWE not wanting to be left without top stars. I agree that they should go in that direction. I just think that going in that direction, when Cena has been THE MAN for more than a decade, would be ample reason for Cena to do something drastic to stay on top.

I think you're confusing Cena with HHH. Cena has been Vince's boy since day one, and the reason he wrestles hurt is because quite often he's the only guy they can go too.

It doesn't matter which guy the fans rally behind, Cena as long as he's in the ring will always be pertinent. I just don't think he's that kind of person, selfish. He's put a lot of people over, and let's face it, now is the time, while he is on top to start giving some of these guys a leg up. You saw it last night with Ziggler. How many of us thought, Ziggler would win the match the way he did? And the fact that Cena came out to meet him and embrace him, shows the kind of person he is.

He's going to be around for a good few years to come, and whether Reigns, or Ambrose or Ziggler begins to outshine him, outperform him, that's okay. There will come a time when John Cena is no longer wrestling and if they don't have others in place, and they have to start now, wrestling will be in major trouble.

 

[Dave]

I don't know how many times people in the IWC are going to have this conversation. But let me get this straight, John Cena is not going heel. There have been plenty of better opportunities in the past for him to turn him heel and the WWE has passed up on every single one of them.

As it is, John Cena will play this angle into the ground before finally giving Stephanie and Triple H their jobs back. But I am struggling to see how turning John Cena heel will help the situation. He will be the comedy guy that everyone knows him to be, holding his position of power over The Authority for as long as it reasonable. Making him the bad guy against Triple H is ridiculous.

No way, no how is Cena going to turn heel.

 

[kadroan]

I doubt Cena turns heel. I think they learned from turning Austin in 2001 that you shouldn't turn your top face to a heel.

I'd love to see Cena turn heel but they don't seem to trust anybody to take #1 spot. I'd even take Reigns as number one if that's what it takes to turn Cena heel.

 

[L@RISANO]

I don't think Cena is going Heel very soon, that said..... That Stipulation yesterday about Cena having the power to reinstate the Authority....

Me thinks they might bring that back up sometime down the line, as I believe that the Authority will return in due time, and Cena might well be the one to make it happen when the time is most opportune.

 

[RenegadeDX]

Ziggler is 34. Really wouldn't call him a "young talent"

 

[The Warlord]

If Ive said it once Ive said it a million times... The WWE doesnt have the grapefruits to turn Cena heel unless a WCW version 2.0 comes up and breathes down their neck.

 

[The Warlord]

Ziggler is 34. Really wouldn't call him a "young talent"

Yep, hes the same age Michaels was when he retired after dropping the belt to Austin at WM 14

 

[ColeMc]

The angle I saw on this was that the heel dominated situation would be worse than the authority and the last choice of a desperate man being "the better the devil you know".

 

[rge2010]

CENA
WONT
TURN
HEEL!!!

I am not sure why people obsess over Cena turning heel?! On what basis is this 'good for business'? Cena is worth $100m a year to WWE in his present form. The kids love him, they buy tickets to see him and they make their parents spend a shit load of money on his merchandise. Cena also grants wishes to dieing kids which is great for the kid and really positive PR for the company.

CENA GETS BOOED!!!! So why turn him heel? To get cheered? To get booed even more? You will see a spike in TV ratings for a short while and then when the novelty wears off you are worse off than when you started.

WWE is often criticised for it's poor logic but a massive proportion of the IWC wouldn't know logic if it bit them on the backside.

 

[MartialHorror]

I doubt it will happen. But was it just me or did his promo with Ziggler on RAW have a jealous undertone to it? Ziggler was talking and it almost looked like Cena got impatient and hogged the mic. I suspect that the timing was merely off, maybe the interviewer missing her cue or something. Or maybe they just were running out of time and Ziggler was taking too long. But it looked odd to me.

 

[Josh16]

It's a 50-50 situation! He was once asked about turning heel in an interview,
He responded:
"[It will] never happen, Oh I've got it in me for sure... I do what the boss tells me."

For me, making him turn heel at any point is not a good idea!
It is just that people that like to chant “Cena sucks..” Cena is not being booed everywhere he goes! His fans like to boo him on TV. It's really cool to boo him! If he did turn heel, all of the people who said he sucked would be cheering him anyways!!

"Let's go Cena!"
"CENA SUCKS!"

 

[laodaron]

The thing is that with Reigns, Bryan, Sheamus, Ambrose, Ziggler, Orton and also with Sting/Rock/Stone Cold/Mick Foley possibly returning during WM31 season for promos and one off stuff, there's a giant vacancy in the heel department. Cena could get away with a year or 2 of a heel run, and a surprise run back at the face department before dropping into part time status.

I don't care one way or the other, since I love Cena, and I think he's in the top 10 wrestlers in the last 25 or 30 years, I'm just saying the option is there now. An unholy alliance with HHH to bring him back into power could be fucking intense. But I'm not holding my breath.