Something about Sting that has always puzzled me...

[nightmare]

im nt sure why you have to keep repeating yourself slyfox. if the kiddies dont get it, they never will.

if the validity of the above statements still pass you by feel free to visit your local bookstore & read bret harts autobiography, also see wikipedia.

2 moves, 2 different guys, neither originated the move. do your research.

by this recent string of logic, would you say HBK shouldnt use the superkick because he wasnt first to use it? benoit sux bc he used the flying headbutt? c'mon now guys.

 

[Tech N9ne]

I could be wrong, but I think Sting used the Scorpion Death Lock before Bret Hart used The Sharpshooter.

The similarity in the names of Sting's finishers can be simplified down to his gimmick. It is continuity in his character down to his moves.

The Stinger Splash is a great move. Especially when he delivered it in his early days. He would launch into the air and crush his opponent in the corner. It usually came off pretty great. It watered down over the years, like most moves do.

The Scorpion Death Drop was/is an awesome move. During his days when he was opposing the NWO, it was perfect move for him to use and apply quickly. It had plenty of impact and came off looking awesome. He would usually come from behind the guy, so he was always in the right angle to hit it. It didn't take much for him to apply it, so he could hit numerous members of The NWO with it, in a short amount of time.

Also, when a move is used for X amount of years, it could get watered down. After all the years go by, other people start to use it, as a move separate from being a finisher. Then when the guy that used it as his finisher uses it, it isn't something only HE does anymore. But, it also could be considered Sting is the MASTER of said moves is why he finishes his matches with them still.

I think it is fine in certain cases if more than one guy uses a particular move as their finisher. Especially when they are in different companies, they both do the move so well, and they are 2 top guys, such as Bret Hart and Sting. They both had used the move to win World Titles and many other matches. So, when they ended up in WCW together, there truly was no point in having either switch. Having them battle to see who uses it better is a better angle then most ways to go with it, and it adds another angle to a feud that wouldn't have been there if they didn't use a similar move.

 

[Heathen1990]

Riki Chōshū is the one given credit for creating the move, The Sasori-gatame (Sharpshooter, Scorpion Deathlock, and literal translation Scorpion Hold). But in Harts Autobiography he noted that Pat Patterson asked if he could do a "Scorpion Death Lock", which he did not know at the time. Hart revealed that the only person in the locker room who knew about the move was Konnan, who taught the move to Hart. Bret "The Hitman" Hart may be the wrestler that is most associated with the hold but, Ronnie Garvin and Sting were the first wrestlers to prolifically use the hold in North America, during which time it was called the Scorpion Deathlock.

 

[Strong Style X]

Riki Chōshū is the one given credit for creating the move, The Sasori-gatame (Sharpshooter, Scorpion Deathlock, and literal translation Scorpion Hold). But in Harts Autobiography he noted that Pat Patterson asked if he could do a "Scorpion Death Lock", which he did not know at the time. Hart revealed that the only person in the locker room who knew about the move was Konnan, who taught the move to Hart. Bret "The Hitman" Hart may be the wrestler that is most associated with the hold but, Ronnie Garvin and Sting were the first wrestlers to prolifically use the hold in North America, during which time it was called the Scorpion Deathlock.

Thank you for clicking on the wikipedia link and copying word for word what it said.

But seriously, there's no debate over who used the move first: Choshu did.

 

[DanielJames]

the stingersplash is the best!!!!!!!!!!!! it just is when i was little that se to look so impactful, more than anyone else's splashes, and its different cause other people just run into the opponent in the corner but sting leaps into.

the deathdrop i see what you're saying and you have a valid argument, but sting made it look deadly,especially back in the day, and there wasnt as many flashy moves back then and when you're a legend you don't need to evolve your finisher

the deathlock is slightly different though

 

[mral82]

Actuality Konnan taught Sting not Bret the Sharpshooter/Scorpion Death Lock.
The Death Drop was Sting's signature move which a set-up to the Scorpion Death Lock. Like Bret did his usual set-up moves for the Sharpshooter. So Ronnie Garvin was the 1st to use Sharpshooter as he used it against Greg Valentine @ the 1990 Royal Rumble to beat him. Then Bret was next then Sting was the 3rd one to make it well known in the USA. All Sting's moves never puzzled me it was Dusty Rhodes w/ his 1 hit ur dead "BIONIC ELBOW" which is always funny seein it happened.

 

[JuviJuiceIsLoose]

Actuality Konnan taught Sting not Bret the Sharpshooter/Scorpion Death Lock.
The Death Drop was Sting's signature move which a set-up to the Scorpion Death Lock. Like Bret did his usual set-up moves for the Sharpshooter. So Ronnie Garvin was the 1st to use Sharpshooter as he used it against Greg Valentine @ the 1990 Royal Rumble to beat him. Then Bret was next then Sting was the 3rd one to make it well known in the USA. All Sting's moves never puzzled me it was Dusty Rhodes w/ his 1 hit ur dead "BIONIC ELBOW" which is always funny seein it happened.

Bret said on his DVD that Konnan taught him the Scorpion Death Lock.

 

[mrbrownstone]

Yeah I agree for the most part Natural.

I have no problem with the Death Lock as a finisher, nor do I have any major problem with both him and Bret using the manoeuvre simultaneously. It looks like it would hurt like a bitch and I'm sure in reality it does. I've always thought he should use this primarily as his finisher though and keep the Death Drop as a signature or even regular move.

As for the Death Drop, I love the move but it really doesn't seem like a finisher quality move to me. Sure in real life being dropped on the back of your head would keep any average person down for at least three seconds, but wrestling isn't real life, if it was 3/4 of the move preformed in an average match would get a win on someone. As a finisher the Death Drop doesn't cut it for me.

Same goes for the Stinger Splash. Everyone, and I really mean everyone, uses this as a move, perhaps not with the added jump but everyone uses the move in some variation and usually it does shit all. Why is it that when Sting does it it is impactful and devastating? I guess is all has to do with suspension of belief and all that jazz.