So with DX on hold, Evolution can now sell products

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Stop and think about it for a minute.

Last night on Raw, that handicap match was one of the best I've ever seen, and that's saying something when you count in the fact that it has Sheamus in there... although I do like Sheamus, very unique.

However, there's a reason for why I loved that match last night so much and it's because for one night only, I got to see the two faces of Evolution reunite.

I mean sure, there's been the reincarnation of Evolution when they faced Rated RKO & Umaga or when they faced Legacy, but that wasn't enough.

Evolution was so amazing because they had focus on TWO guys at ONE time. Randy Orton was built as the man who would take Triple H's throne when the time was right, and Triple H was built as the man who didn't want to hand over said throne.

And last night, when Evolution returned, I just got chills because I knew that Vince could look at this and reform Evolution, but keep it a tag team between Orton and Triple H.

And why not? WWE is in desperate need of a solid tag team on Raw, and if you re-teamed those two together it would certainly bring back some more ratings. I mean let's face it, Triple H and Orton have gone through hell and back and have had terrific matches. Why not put them together and have a better tag division?
 
Why is everyone craving the return of factions so much? I mean, here we are, criticizing TNA for their recycling of their veteran talent and their rehashing of old storylines, plots, and angles, and yet we're constantly begging the WWE to do the same thing.

Evolution, as great of a stable as it was, has run its course. It's storyline and plot was a group that showcased the past, present, and future of the business. Years have gone by since its inception, and now the men who were labeled as the "future" of the business have now become the "present". Therefore, the stable is obsolete and it makes no sense to bring them back to television.

Besides, Triple H and Orton main evented Wrestlemania a year ago with a very personal and in-depth storyline that was also mentioned on Raw prior to their match. And Triple H was just in a tag team angle with HBK a month ago. It completely makes no sense to put HHH in another tag team, and makes even less sense to put him in a tag team with Randy fucking Orton, of all people.

This is just a bad idea from start to finish. It's fueled by your personal preference and makes no sense from a business and money-making point of view.
 
I know they were great but this is WWE pg era were alot of wrestlers cant do what they could which also limits what Evolution can do i mean remember Evolution was alway involved in violent, twisted angles and did whatever they needed to get what they wanted...they were my favourate team but bringing them back together just seems that WWE is just doing it to get money out of it and not another reason otherthen that, so basically it wouldnt work in WWE PG...besides WWE is at its worst so Vince is trying to get the most amount of money with very littler effort on having his shows good
 
I know they were great but this is WWE pg era were alot of wrestlers cant do what they could which also limits what Evolution can do i mean remember Evolution was alway involved in violent, twisted angles and did whatever they needed to get what they wanted...they were my favourate team but bringing them back together just seems that WWE is just doing it to get money out of it and not another reason otherthen that, so basically it wouldnt work in WWE PG...besides WWE is at its worst so Vince is trying to get the most amount of money with very littler effort on having his shows good

I can't agree with this response.

You're saying the WWE can't bring back Evolution due to the direction of its PG Era? If that's the case, then they wouldn't have brought back Degeneration X for the 90th time, and DX was the faction that SPEARHEADED the Attitude Era.

A faction isn't measured on the angled that its involved in. It's measured more on the skill of its members and their ability to adapt to any storyline and make it better. That's why the Four Horsemen are so legendary. They took every angle that the NWA and WCW gave them and made it important due to the skills of its individual members, as well as their skill as a collective unit.
 
Are you forgetting that Evolution was a four-man unit.

Unfortunately, there will never be a time again where Batista, HHH and Orton are all face, or in this case, all heel. They are the face's of the company and the rule at the moment is, if one is face, at least one of the others must be a heel. Not saying that that is how it must work, but the formula is there.

And well, we all know where the other one founding member of the group is. He is busting himself open weekly and going mental for the sake of it on TNA TV.

The idea behind getting HHH and Orton to team is simply to get two men who hated each other for a long time to team up against the common enemy. I would say it was nice for nostalgia, but I think that is where they should leave it.

Although the tag team division needs a team like them, they are too important to the main event scene to be hovering around there.
 
The only way I would bring back evolution would be if the group was reformed with different people. I would have triple h be the leader Mcintyre be the role that Orton had, I would add Sheamus as the muscle and have Vince as the manager who knows the group could even be know as the second-coming of the corporation, but if it was the corporation I would add more guys
 
Why is everyone craving the return of factions so much? I mean, here we are, criticizing TNA for their recycling of their veteran talent and their rehashing of old storylines, plots, and angles, and yet we're constantly begging the WWE to do the same thing.

Evolution, as great of a stable as it was, has run its course. It's storyline and plot was a group that showcased the past, present, and future of the business. Years have gone by since its inception, and now the men who were labeled as the "future" of the business have now become the "present". Therefore, the stable is obsolete and it makes no sense to bring them back to television.

Besides, Triple H and Orton main evented Wrestlemania a year ago with a very personal and in-depth storyline that was also mentioned on Raw prior to their match. And Triple H was just in a tag team angle with HBK a month ago. It completely makes no sense to put HHH in another tag team, and makes even less sense to put him in a tag team with Randy fucking Orton, of all people.

This is just a bad idea from start to finish. It's fueled by your personal preference and makes no sense from a business and money-making point of view.

I cant disagree with you more.

First, you cant seriously compare some of the stuff that TNA has rehashed to bringing Orton and HHH together. I mean, Nasty Boys? Team Flair led by 50-year old Sting? Team Hogan?

Why doesnt the team of Orton and HHH make sense? The tag team division is in need of a solid tag-team. You have two great teams in Morrison/Truth and Show-Miz. Putting Orton and HHH together doesnt have to be the second coming of Evolution. But, HHH is getting a little older and he, honestly, isnt the same as he was 10 years ago. Not too mention that they do not have to stay a team forever. Maybe putting those two together could open up other possiblities and open the eyes of WWE decison-makers to where they would put more time and effort in building the tag-team division again.

Then, if Orton and HHH split up, Orton is still young enough, he has years left on his career. And, it gives HHH a little break too recharge his batteries and give us a few more quality matches out of what's left of his career.

I like this idea of making them a full-time tag team for a little while.
 
Stupid stupid stupid idea. I can just Imagine Triple H saying to Orton, "You know where you beat up my father in law, brother in law, and kissed my wife? I'll just let that shit go if you can forgive me for breaking into your home."

I seriously think this might be the dumbest idea I've ever heard presented on this board.
 
i would like to see these too team up more they are 2 of the best in wwe and when in evolution (not counting ric because in his day was the best) HHH and Randy were the best both more talented the dave who i have never been a fan of he was the weak link in a strong team dave was only there as muscle witch they didn't need but back to my point they would work great together and trust each other look at the feud they had where randy was attacking HHH family you don't let anyone say or day that to your family for all the money in the world but they did i know it was all worked out and that and was just part the story but there must be love and trust and respect there for HHH to let the story happen and known HHH he prob asked for randy
 
Putting Orton and HHH together, as a tag team, could be one of the dumbest ideas I have ever read on here. It is a bad idea for so, so many reasons.

Yeah, another "tag team" made up of megastars. That's just what I want to see. I don't like MizShow. I didn't like JeriShow. And I didn't like DX (as a tag team). Putting two mega-superstars together is just ridiculous. All that does is bury your tag division even further. And, WHO would they feud with?? WWE would have to build another stupid, randon, mega-superstar tag team for them to feud with.

HHH just got out of one of these tag teams. So basically what you are telling me is that HHH should hang around in the tag division? He's one of their biggest freakin stars! He needs to be in singles competition, at least for a while, hopefully the rest of his career. HHH is far more entertaining in a one-on-one feud, as opposed to selling t-shirts DX-style. HHH is due for another World title reign, and putting him into another pointless, stupid tag team would kill that.

And for the love of God, Randy Orton really, REALLY doesn't need this. This guy is fast becoming a great tweener. He is getting great fan reaction. As a solid tweener, you do heelish things, but more in a badass kind of way, as opposed to being downright evil. So why would the guy that the WWE is pushing as a legit bad ass want or need a partner?? I thought he was going to RKO HHH last night, along with everyone else. That's the kind of character he is. His character doesn't want help, nor does he need it.

And why would ANYONE want to see Randy Orton in the tag division? He has more momentum than any other star in WWE right now. He is in line for another Worlds title reign himself. And even if he doesn't get a title soon, he should at least be chasing the WWE/WHC (tweeners are more entertaining to watch when chasing a title as opposed to constantly holding one). He doesn't need a tag partner, no matter how you break it down.

I just think this would be a terrible decision, and I highly, highly doubt WWE would even consider it an option. Why would HHH and Orton need to be a tag team? To get over? Hahah, that's laughable. Same thing goes for MizShow, JeriShow, and the "new" DX. I am pretty sure there is nothing worse to do with these two guys than what our thread starter has proposed.
 
In away I'd like to see Evolution return, just not yet, not for a good 3-4 years.

Once Triple H starts to take on a more voice role, wrestles the odd match here and there, and Orton if he's still on top of his game, awesome, and bring in two new guys, maybe NXT winner (if that is still around) and someone like Harry Smith, who does have good ring skills but needs that rub off the top guys to get over.

That being said Evolution wouldn't work they way it did back then for simple reason, when it debuted, Flair was more of a manager to HHH and Batista who had no connection together minus Flair, Orton returned and was in the mix with NO connection to either 3 apart from he was the chosen one, and they beat down Steiner and that was Evolution, it was done over a while, but brought together by a manager, HHH wouldn't take that role nowadays or any other time, wrestling has lost the managers roles, Legacy was as much to Evolution as we'll ever get.
 
To be fair to the original poster, I like the way he's thinking outside the box and I do like the idea of rehashing Evolution.....wait here me out!

Wrestling (not just TNA) is full of repetitiveness, so this wouldn't come as much as a surprise to anyone if we saw maybe a new Evolution. The point of Evolution was to represent wrestlings past present and future and in hindsight it's done damm fine job. Randy Orton and Batista are now two of the biggest stars in the company while the leader Triple H is still around too if need be. So here's my idea.....why not have a 'new' Evolution and have Batista as the leader in the Triple H role?

The fact that it's Batista would instantly give the group credibility in terms of playing homage to the past and then he could recruit his own faction and his version of Evolution. For me the first name in the 'Orton' role would be The Miz, who has the cocky persona down to a tee right now and we are used to being surrounded by others, thanks to his runs with Morrison and the Big Show. Then for the big guy/enforcer you could either take one the NXT rookies under his wing or use someone who isn't doing very much like Zeke or Mike Knox or even Chris Masters. It may not make sense right now, but I'm sure the original Evolution didn't either. The only stumbling block I'd have would be the mentor/Ric Flair role. Personally I think turning Triple H heel and him moving up to that role would be ace, but I don't think he's quite there yet and is still very much an active main eventer. So getting in someone who fits the role would be the only problem. You could always throw a spanner in the works and use Bret Hart and turn him heel again but depends how well the group would work together.

Don't get me wrong it's not perfect, but I'm just using the posters original idea and expanding on it. I personally think there should be more fractions in WWE so I'd like this idea to happen, especially as it pays homage to the past too but it would depend on finding the right mix of guys like Evolution did in the past.
 
Imo for new evolution in place of orton and batista i see miz and sheamus and in place of triple h I would like to see jericho after his feud with edge.I assumes a returning michals after a heel turn can lead it as a tribute to flair.
 
Why doesnt the team of Orton and HHH make sense? The tag team division is in need of a solid tag-team. You have two great teams in Morrison/Truth and Show-Miz. Putting Orton and HHH together doesnt have to be the second coming of Evolution. But, HHH is getting a little older and he, honestly, isnt the same as he was 10 years ago. Not too mention that they do not have to stay a team forever. Maybe putting those two together could open up other possiblities and open the eyes of WWE decison-makers to where they would put more time and effort in building the tag-team division again.

D-man actually said it himself, it doesn't make sense because 1 year ago they had a very intense feud that carried on for months, yesterday Triple H even said he still didn't like Randy Orton, and they clearly showed on-screen hatred in their backstage segment.
Putting Randy and Triple H together would be like putting John Cena and Edge together in a tag team, they have had a very storied rivalry too, which also went "personal"
Or putting Matt Hardy and Edge together, same as John Cena and Edge.

And as for the original post, I don't see the purpose in bringing back Evolution, not even as a tag team, no matter the mix of Triple H / Randy Orton, Triple H / Batista etc. it wouldn't work, because yes certainly Triple H and Batista could still get along, but Triple H and Batista is in two different feuds currently, and so is Triple H and Randy Orton, so mixing them now result in absolutely killing two feuds that could potentially elevate 2-3 (counting the fact that Ted is probably gonna be elevated where as Cody has less of a chance) superstars into the upper mid-card or main event scene pretty solidly.
 
I cant disagree with you more.

I respect that.

First, you cant seriously compare some of the stuff that TNA has rehashed to bringing Orton and HHH together. I mean, Nasty Boys? Team Flair led by 50-year old Sting? Team Hogan?

Of course, theres a fine line between the crap that TNA is shoving down our throats and the idea that the OP is proposing here. However, both ideas are absolutely ridiculous. Like Con Volt said, do you really think the WWE is going to stick these two men together, completely nulling and voiding the months of buildup that was put into their storylines going into Wrestlemania just one year ago? Seriously, your idea has good thought to it but you're implemented the wrong players for the job.

Why doesnt the team of Orton and HHH make sense? The tag team division is in need of a solid tag-team. You have two great teams in Morrison/Truth and Show-Miz.

You're calling Morrison/Truth a "great" tag team? They had ONE AND A HALF matches together. How does that make them great?

Putting Orton and HHH together doesnt have to be the second coming of Evolution. But, HHH is getting a little older and he, honestly, isnt the same as he was 10 years ago. Not too mention that they do not have to stay a team forever. Maybe putting those two together could open up other possiblities and open the eyes of WWE decison-makers to where they would put more time and effort in building the tag-team division again.

Triple H just got finished with a tag team role in DX. Why would the WWE throw him into a team with his sworn enemy of one year ago, Randy Orton? Think about it... it really makes no sense.

Then, if Orton and HHH split up, Orton is still young enough, he has years left on his career. And, it gives HHH a little break too recharge his batteries and give us a few more quality matches out of what's left of his career.

Does Orton really need a run at the tag titles right now? Is he THAT stale that he needs to be utilized to improve that division? Is the Big Show and the Miz SUCH a powerhouse threat to the rest of the roster that someone like Orton or HHH are needed to take them down? If you answered yes to any of these questions, you're watching the wrong television show.

Orton is in a very controvercial tweener role right now. Why would the WWE jeopardize the character they've made him become by shoving him into a tag team with HHH?

None of these pieces even remotely fit together.

I like this idea of making them a full-time tag team for a little while.

Sorry, bro... not me.
 
ok here what the WWE is doing there showcasing new and upcoming talent alot of there older talent is heading for retirment over the next few years aka undertaker HBK HHH that have been headlining there major cards over the past 10-15 years. So here it is I do think HHH and Orton will be faces in this faction and will add 2 more as the shamus legacy faction builds adding new heels like WCW did with the rich boys club theme with hulk flair sting luger and few other superstars.
i think it will pan out to being HHH Orton Christain and dpending on what happens at WM maybe HBK and undertaker as a last run!! I do think HBK will with this time take a break till summer slam then comback JR says he though HBK would stay for 2 years then goto back stage work with HHH. i REALLY THINK THEY WANT A BIG new guy to retire HBK like maybe drew macintire or shamus or maybe they do a duel retire HHH HBK killing DX for good. what i like to see from the new blood faction is legacy shamus drew macintire and jack swagger.

what ya think? am i right i guess we will see after WM
 
I can't agree with this response.

You're saying the WWE can't bring back Evolution due to the direction of its PG Era? If that's the case, then they wouldn't have brought back Degeneration X for the 90th time, and DX was the faction that SPEARHEADED the Attitude Era.

A faction isn't measured on the angled that its involved in. It's measured more on the skill of its members and their ability to adapt to any storyline and make it better. That's why the Four Horsemen are so legendary. They took every angle that the NWA and WCW gave them and made it important due to the skills of its individual members, as well as their skill as a collective unit.


You answered your own question...look what WWE have done to DX...DX have turned into a walking, talking advertising team, there more concerned about advertising then who there fueding with...they also limit what they can do i mean remember DX they were anti authority and did bad things which they now cant
 
You answered your own question...look what WWE have done to DX...DX have turned into a walking, talking advertising team, there more concerned about advertising then who there fueding with...they also limit what they can do i mean remember DX they were anti authority and did bad things which they now cant

You're confusing me...

First, you said the WWE cannot recreate Evolution because they wouldn't fit into the PG Era with their racy storylines. So I said they brought back DX (the most racy faction of the Attitude Era) and were able to make them work in a PG environment.

Now, you're telling me that Evolution WOULD work in a PG environment because DX has been turned into an "advertising team"? Or are you saying they wouldn't work because DX didn't work?

If you're saying Evolution WOULD work in today's PG Era, then like I said earlier, it makes no difference which era a faction is utilized in. What matters is the quality of its players and if it makes sense in current storylines. Given HHH and Orton's history last year, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

If you're saying DX did NOT work in the PG Era, you're wrong there, too. DX was arguably the most popular faction of the past 5 years. Granted, they're a watered-down version of the Attitude Era's DX, but its gimmick was undoubtedly the most popular and most merchandise-selling gimmick of the PG Era thus far.
 
Why is there a sudden outcry for Evolution to return? It's over and that Evolution will never return as it was. Btw, the past is missing lol

Anyway HHH & Orton are not friends and their past as HHH said doesnt go away. Remember what happened last year

But then ppl say well let's start a new Evolution, no... it just wouldnt be the same. So no, not even a tag team just for the hell of getting Evolution merchandise back. You can find it online anyway if you want that
 
I don't understand why the OP's idea is being shot down as such a terrible idea. It could work if done correctly. They could become a faction sure but it doesn't necessarily mean that they have to hover around the tag team division going for tag team gold. Someone in here was bringing up that it wouldn't make sense because of their storied past...ok yeah so what? This has been done numerous times with sworn enemies who teamed together. HHH and HBK put each other through hell towards the beginning of this past decade and they reformed DX. And it was for the same reason that Orton and Triple H teamed on Monday. Common enemies.


I don't know when you started watching wrestling but this type of thing has been done for many years. Look at Stone Cold and Triple back in 2001. They were bitter enemies in 99 and 2000. Triple H even had Austin ran down. And Austin dropped Triple H inside of a car from a forklift. Yet in 2001 they teamed together and made a hell of a heel tag team called the 2 Man Power Trip. Even The Rock and Sock Connection were enemies at one point but became good friends. You're thinking too narrow minded and seem to forget that enemies teaming together isn't a new hard to grasp concept in the WWE.

It can work if done properly. They just need to establish a proper motive and what their goal is. Triple H and Orton could make a badass unit together. Doesn't have to be long term either. It could also just be periodically.
 
I don't understand why the OP's idea is being shot down as such a terrible idea. It could work if done correctly. They could become a faction sure but it doesn't necessarily mean that they have to hover around the tag team division going for tag team gold. Someone in here was bringing up that it wouldn't make sense because of their storied past...ok yeah so what? This has been done numerous times with sworn enemies who teamed together. HHH and HBK put each other through hell towards the beginning of this past decade and they reformed DX. And it was for the same reason that Orton and Triple H teamed on Monday. Common enemies.


I don't know when you started watching wrestling but this type of thing has been done for many years. Look at Stone Cold and Triple back in 2001. They were bitter enemies in 99 and 2000. Triple H even had Austin ran down. And Austin dropped Triple H inside of a car from a forklift. Yet in 2001 they teamed together and made a hell of a heel tag team called the 2 Man Power Trip. Even The Rock and Sock Connection were enemies at one point but became good friends. You're thinking too narrow minded and seem to forget that enemies teaming together isn't a new hard to grasp concept in the WWE.

It can work if done properly. They just need to establish a proper motive and what their goal is. Triple H and Orton could make a badass unit together. Doesn't have to be long term either. It could also just be periodically.


Triple H is taking time off anyway besides the last thing we need is this duo to team together and it wont happen after Triple H just teamed with Shawn and though we wont get it soon ppl want tag teams that break into the business together, Caylen & Trent are the latest to do that.

Orton & Triple H may not even be on the same brand after The Draft April 26th so let's see what happens then
 
I respect that.



Of course, theres a fine line between the crap that TNA is shoving down our throats and the idea that the OP is proposing here. However, both ideas are absolutely ridiculous. Like Con Volt said, do you really think the WWE is going to stick these two men together, completely nulling and voiding the months of buildup that was put into their storylines going into Wrestlemania just one year ago? Seriously, your idea has good thought to it but you're implemented the wrong players for the job.



You're calling Morrison/Truth a "great" tag team? They had ONE AND A HALF matches together. How does that make them great?

I do see your point on Truth/Morrison. I guess what I meant to say was that they are a "decent" tag team. A good enough team that you could have as part of your tag-team division if you were trying to build something. One up to you, D-Man.

Here's what I would like to address to everyone saying that it doesnt make sense for those two to tag b/c of history. Does anyone remember the 2-Man Powertrip? HHH and Stone Cold. I do believe they were a team, they pretty much hated each other. One thing about the world of wrestling, certain deeds are easily forgotten about in the world of wrestling storylines.

I didnt think it was such a bad idea to team those two up for awhile. Not that I am crying out for an Evolution reunion, but, I wouldnt mind that tag team.
 
I do see your point on Truth/Morrison. I guess what I meant to say was that they are a "decent" tag team. A good enough team that you could have as part of your tag-team division if you were trying to build something. One up to you, D-Man.

Here's what I would like to address to everyone saying that it doesnt make sense for those two to tag b/c of history. Does anyone remember the 2-Man Powertrip? HHH and Stone Cold. I do believe they were a team, they pretty much hated each other. One thing about the world of wrestling, certain deeds are easily forgotten about in the world of wrestling storylines.

I didnt think it was such a bad idea to team those two up for awhile. Not that I am crying out for an Evolution reunion, but, I wouldnt mind that tag team.

I knew someone would mention this angle, eventually. While it's a valid point, you need to take its timeline into consideration. From what I recall, Triple H and Stone Cold's feud was over for a few years when the WWE decided to pair them up. There was enough time for the audience to forget about the personal issues that came between them. So when they were paired up, there was enough time for the storyline to subside and it happened recently enough where the audience remembered it enough to be shocked at the pairing.

My point is that Triple H and Randy Orton could be a major, powerhouse tag team DOWN THE ROAD. But there really hasn't been enough time for their previous storyline to be forgotten or pushed aside in the memories of the audience. Either way, even if they DID pair up down the road, utilizing the name "Evolution" would take away from everything they were supposed to accomplish. Like I said earlier, Evolution's shelf-life dissipated once Orton and Batista stepped out of the shadow of being the "future" of the WWE and moved into the "present" spot.
 
I knew someone would mention this angle, eventually. While it's a valid point, you need to take its timeline into consideration. From what I recall, Triple H and Stone Cold's feud was over for a few years when the WWE decided to pair them up. There was enough time for the audience to forget about the personal issues that came between them. So when they were paired up, there was enough time for the storyline to subside and it happened recently enough where the audience remembered it enough to be shocked at the pairing.

My point is that Triple H and Randy Orton could be a major, powerhouse tag team DOWN THE ROAD. But there really hasn't been enough time for their previous storyline to be forgotten or pushed aside in the memories of the audience. Either way, even if they DID pair up down the road, utilizing the name "Evolution" would take away from everything they were supposed to accomplish. Like I said earlier, Evolution's shelf-life dissipated once Orton and Batista stepped out of the shadow of being the "future" of the WWE and moved into the "present" spot.

Actually my good bro, it was given the final blowoff like 2 months before at No Way Out, with their 3 Stages of Hell match. If Steve Austin can get over Triple H getting Rikishi to try and kill him, Triple H should get over Orton kissing his wife and beating his father in law and brother in law. Just from that perspective.

Now, do I think there should be a half assed Evolution reunion? Not really. Like D-Man does say, eventually down the road, maybe put them together for a few weeks or so, see if they can "set their differences aside" and work as a team to get to attain their own higher goals. But for now, they don't need to be in a tag team together, or a tag team for that matter.
 
While I don't really see the point of an Evolution reunion, it would certainly give two main eventers something to do whilst keeping them out of the main event scene. Evolution would have some sort of nostalgia factor, and a reason for being together, but here all similarities with DX end.

DX were meant to be friends with each other, so it isn't that unfeasible that they'd dust off their glowsticks and wrestle together. However, of more importance is the fact that the actual DX was a merchandise juggernaught during a wrestling boom period, Evolution wasn't that during a wrestling trough. The benefits of bringing them back together from that point of view would be low, not to mention the fact that it would inevitably lead to a repeat of everyone's least favourite feud in history.
 

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