Should Humans Have Tracking Chips Placed Under Their Skin?

[Mrs Sexy]

In a ways I think they should, especially children. I know it sounds cruel. It's done to animals these days. Should a child get lost or kidnapped it would be a good idea, because it would be easy to find out where they are. Plus it might reduce the rate of murders and the rate of kidnaps.

I honestly don't think a procedure like that would be too harmful

 

[X]

...WHAT?!?!??!!?!?!

I get what you're saying from a practical/safety point of view, but you also have to take into account human rights. I don't think a parent should have the right to permanently install a freakin' metal device into a child's skin. Sure it might not be too painful or anything, but it's incredibly invasive and quite frankly disturbing. This is the kind of thing that turns our world into that of George Orwell's 1984.

I don't have any children so I won't pretend to understand your concern for the safety of one's children, but you have to put yourself into your child's position. When they are growing up do you think they want a tracking device inside of them? I'm sure you would not have.

Not to mention what unimaginably bad things could happen if someone else were to learn of that tracking signal, tracking technology is far from impossible to hack into.

I get the concern for the safety of the children, but kidnappings are just not common enough for the pros of something like this to outweigh the negatives. Plus the whole privacy issue, I mean what would stop the government from obtaining these signals and tracking all of their citizens? Do we really want 24/7 surveillance by the government? That's practically 1984 in and of itself.

 

[Mrs Sexy]

...WHAT?!?!??!!?!?!

I get what you're saying from a practical/safety point of view, but you also have to take into account human rights. I don't think a parent should have the right to permanently install a freakin' metal device into a child's skin. Sure it might not be too painful or anything, but it's incredibly invasive and quite frankly disturbing. This is the kind of thing that turns our world into that of George Orwell's 1984.

I don't have any children so I won't pretend to understand your concern for the safety of one's children, but you have to put yourself into your child's position. When they are growing up do you think they want a tracking device inside of them? I'm sure you would not have.

Not to mention what unimaginably bad things could happen if someone else were to learn of that tracking signal, tracking technology is far from impossible to hack into.

I get the concern for the safety of the children, but kidnappings are just not common enough for the pros of something like this to outweigh the negatives. Plus the whole privacy issue, I mean what would stop the government from obtaining these signals and tracking all of their citizens? Do we really want 24/7 surveillance by the government? That's practically 1984 in and of itself.

It wasn't my intention to have come out like it sounded. Meaning a law to have it. I wouldn't want that. Because you are right with human rights. Everyone should have the right to say yes or no to a situation like that. I also agree that a con could be someone else learning about the tracking device. I'm sorry if I'm completely misunderstanding you too.

A part of me thinks it's a good idea and a part of me thinks it's a bad idea. Anything could go wrong. There's a risk in everything.

Since I am a parent, here's what I do when I'm out in public or on a walk with my oldest child. I bought her a backpack that looks like a puppy and it has a tail long enough to let her walk with you and not get away because I hold onto the tail part. It honestly looks like a leash with a backpack. I get dirty looks and I get people telling me that it looks like a good idea. Since Gabrielle likes to run from Will and I just by walking through Wal*Mart, it seems like a good idea for her to wear that. I know where my child is at all times and I can limit how far she can get from me.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Its a silly idea even from a safety aspect.

You think criminals wont know? Pretty sure a big idea like this will make the news. So now, when someone kidnaps a child, they will be sure to take out a razor blade and cut out the chip installed in them. Simple as.

Thatll be pleasant, im sure.

 

[Tastycles]

Its a silly idea even from a safety aspect.

You think criminals wont know? Pretty sure a big idea like this will make the news. So now, when someone kidnaps a child, they will be sure to take out a razor blade and cut out the chip installed in them. Simple as.

Thatll be pleasant, im sure.

Sadly, this is true.

What I would say is this, even if we ignore the fact that people who abduct children are generally unstable,you have to think pragmatics. There would be people who misused this from both sides of the fence. It isn't practical to have some sort of national database, so you look at it from a parent keeping track. Well, then think that people will use their children to spy on relative, or more likely, estranged partners, which is something unfair.

Then, the worst thing of all, in my eyes at least. What happens if a paedophile finds out how to track these signals, by hacking or whatever? He is then able to watch the movements of a child and know when to strike, on their way home from school or whatever. It could end up opening a real can of worms.

This is without taking into account the obvious civil liberties issue.

 

[1C3-M4N]

This is a total invasion of privacy. Let the kids live there lives tracking them is so wrong. In the one bizzare case a kid gets kidnapped? How many aren't kidnapped and don't have to worry? This seems like a very bad suggestion to do how f*cked the world is economically. To make all these tracking devices for every single kid would bankrupt the world and would every single nation fail. People just don't have the money for this right now It would just be cheaper to kill all the pedos(joking). But seriously due to the economic reasons and how many would be needed this would be a failed idea for this current time. Maybe a future invention.

 

[Mrs Sexy]

The government NEVER brought this idea up. It was just something that came across in a conversation one day when I had an appointment. There is NO talk of this happening government wise. It was just merely a thought. And of course there are cons, a lot of cons out of something like that. I would personally NOT have this done to my children. If you all read post above, I prefer the backpack idea to keep track of my child. If criminals DIDN'T know about it, it could possibly be a slight good idea. But yes, just as NorCal said, something like this would make the news and the criminals would know about it. So yes, it's also a bad idea. You would have to look at the pros and cons and there's definitely more cons than pros.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

The reason i say what i said was, this was discussed in regards to my line of work, and our people, and POWs. and my exact point was brought up. Itll be nice when one of us is captured, and the bad guy uses a spork to dig the chip out of your skin. Yea, no. Bad idea, outside of the civil liberties violations, just in a practical way. itd be just as easy (yet, far more painfull) to circumvent as an OnStar device on a vehicle.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Its a silly idea even from a safety aspect.

You think criminals wont know? Pretty sure a big idea like this will make the news. So now, when someone kidnaps a child, they will be sure to take out a razor blade and cut out the chip installed in them. Simple as.

Thatll be pleasant, im sure.

You know, on that note.. and this note..

Itll be nice when one of us is captured, and the bad guy uses a spork to dig the chip out of your skin.

Do you not instantly think that whomever captures you, isn't thinking of killing you to begin with? I mean, lets be realistic here.. NorCal, you aren't Chuck Norris, and this isn't Missing in Action, or Delta Force. If you get captured, I'm pretty sure if they had something as sadistic as ripping open your flesh to dig out a tracking device.. they had thoughts on making you squeal to begin with. If not just killing you, out-right, once they finished getting information out of you if they could.

The same standard is with Kidnappers and Child Rapists.

I'm gonna be honest, is it an Invasion of Privacy? Fuck yes it is. But what isn't these days? You can't honestly sit there and tell me our Government isn't watching us with secret eyes. Dude, they're fucking watching you now. So yeah, its not like our privacy hasn't already been invaded.

Would this be broadcast all over the news and world? Yes. But what happened when they introduced the Sex Offender's list to a public nation? It has actually decreased that of child rapists. Not a lot, but some.

If the world were to introduce a chip like this, ignoring the invasion of privacy, it'd actually send a solid message to anyone thinking of kidnapping a child. They'd have to learn where this chip would be. And on that note, not every chip has to be in the same place. Get it out quickly, and do whatever it was they were going to do originally. Thats a lot of work, just to attempt raping a child.. and I honestly believe most rapists would just give up - instead of trying harder.

On the flip side of this, if you don't think about this type of device.. then we're no better off than we are now. So in retrospect, what harm would it do?

I seriously think if a killer is going to cut open a person to get a chip out.. well, yes its cruel and yes its going to be painful - but once again, you're just magically forgetting that if you get kidnapped or taken by someone like that, you're practically as good as dead to begin with. At least a chip like this, could help lead to finding the guy/girl who tried/did kill their victim, a lot quicker.

 

[Uncle Sam]

So you'd want people cutting lots of holes in children instead of one, Will? There's saying stuff like CCTV is like Big Brother, and then there's inserting tracking devices into people. It's mental.

At least in the old days, the kids would just be mentally scarred.

 

[HBK-aholic]

In theory I don't like it. Not for the privacy thing as such, but just that it seems a little invasive and not something I'd like inside of me and I'm sure many would agree. That being said, when I think about it from the view that my daughter could be missing, and I could even possibly save her, or help her faster by knowing exactly where she is all rational thought goes out of the window.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Also, decoys. Its ok Will, you dont need to come in here and defend this absurd idea just becuase your wife posted it. I know you need to keep the peace in the home though

So then, the criminals use it to their advantage. AFTER they cut the chip out of the child with a razor, they place it on a decoy, a moving decoy at that (boat, car, peice of garbage)

So now, the cops are chasing around your trusty little chip, instead of doing regular tried and true police work, while the bad guy is having his way with your child. After they just got done cutting the chip out of them. Once again, im sure that will be pleasant.

 

[Mrs Sexy]

Also, decoys. Its ok Will, you dont need to come in here and defend this absurd idea just becuase your wife posted it. I know you need to keep the peace in the home though

So then, the criminals use it to their advantage. AFTER they cut the chip out of the child with a razor, they place it on a decoy, a moving decoy at that (boat, car, peice of garbage)

So now, the cops are chasing around your trusty little chip, instead of doing regular tried and true police work, while the bad guy is having his way with your child. After they just got done cutting the chip out of them. Once again, im sure that will be pleasant.

I seriously doubt the government is even thinking about something like this. Possibly, just possibly someday in the future, they may think of something that's more futuristic. There's also a great chance they won't do anything of the such.

The sarcasm towards Will doesn't impress me much either. I made this thread to start discussion, not who's defending who and what. I'm sorry if you are getting annoyed with this, but I'm just trying to start discussion and up my posts because I don't get on here much and when I get on here I want to discuss stuff, not just post in the silly bar room.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I seriously doubt the government is even thinking about something like this. Possibly, just possibly someday in the future, they may think of something that's more futuristic. There's also a great chance they won't do anything of the such.

The sarcasm towards Will doesn't impress me much either. I made this thread to start discussion, not who's defending who and what. I'm sorry if you are getting annoyed with this, but I'm just trying to start discussion and up my posts because I don't get on here much and when I get on here I want to discuss stuff, not just post in the silly bar room.

I was just kidding, and poking fun, Mrs.Will.

and they HAVE discussed such a think. in my line of work, remember when I was talking about that earlier? and the reasons im putting forth are the EXACT arguments that were brought up. Thats why i was so quick to jump in here, becuase I have experince with discussing the almost EXACT same thing as you are suggesting here.

 

[Mrs Sexy]

I was just kidding, and poking fun, Mrs.Will.

and they HAVE discussed such a think. in my line of work, remember when I was talking about that earlier? and the reasons im putting forth are the EXACT arguments that were brought up. Thats why i was so quick to jump in here, becuase I have experince with discussing the almost EXACT same thing as you are suggesting here.

Why is it ok for animals to have them? Granted an animal can't tell you what's right or wrong for themselves, but it still could be animal cruelty right? Like I said before, I would NOT have this done to my children. I think there should be something done to help reduce the rate of murders and kidnappings. I'm sure someday something will come up to help. It just rattles my mind when I hear on the news about so many children being kidnapped and murdered.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Thinking about this a bit more rash, and logically, to satisfy both the side that NorCal is defending, and the side Erin is presenting.. collars. Or not. But items of clothing, jewelry, wrist bands, etc. The tracking device IS a great idea. And something NorCal mentioned (OnStar) is what made me think of the alternative of instead of being in the body, what about on the body?

There are several types of ways to hide a tracking device, almost just as easy as it is to disguise a microphone. Earrings, necklaces, rings, belts, buckles, shit even shoes, shirts and pants could have them embedded into them. What about that?

The only issue here is, it'd have to become sorta forced upon, to make your children constantly wear whatever it is, that's trying to keep track of them. The item won't work too great, if its sitting in a lock box in the bed room, when your kid is getting snatched out of a Dairy Queen parking lot.

The happy medium to which I believe would satisfy both sides, would be to start making clothing and all types of items you wear, with tracking devices embedded into them.

 

[X]

Thinking about this a bit more rash, and logically, to satisfy both the side that NorCal is defending, and the side Erin is presenting.. collars. Or not. But items of clothing, jewelry, wrist bands, etc. The tracking device IS a great idea.

...But it really isn't. Tracking devices are a huge invasion of privacy, and are morally reprehensible.

The only issue here is, it'd have to become sorta forced upon, to make your children constantly wear whatever it is, that's trying to keep track of them. The item won't work too great, if its sitting in a lock box in the bed room, when your kid is getting snatched out of a Dairy Queen parking lot.

The happy medium to which I believe would satisfy both sides, would be to start making clothing and all types of items you wear, with tracking devices embedded into them.

This is absurd man. Kidnappings are just NOT that common, you guys are acting like 10,000 children are kidnapped every ten minutes or something, the odds of your child being kidnapped are incredibly miniscule. But if you want to start planting tracking devices on human beings, be my guest. I'm not going to say that you can't do it, I just think that you shouldn't. It's pretty over-board if you ask me, what's next, Child Tracker 3000? (South Park anyone?)

 

[Azamuth]

I think that the tracking chips ARE a great idea, the only thing is I believe people should be able to choose if they would like the chip implanted into them or not. This way, the argument of whether it should be done or not would not exist. If parents choose to place it in their kids, when they turn 18 they can choose to take it out. Or if a child must be 18 before the chip can be implanted then the only argument that could exist is should it be done before they turn 18 or not.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

...But it really isn't. Tracking devices are a huge invasion of privacy, and are morally reprehensible.

Come on, X, I'm sure you're smarter than that. I'm not saying the Government is watching our every waking minute and simple move.. but to say its an invasion of privacy, when our privacy has been invaded for years upon years.. is kinda an understatement these days.

This is absurd man. Kidnappings are just NOT that common, you guys are acting like 10,000 children are kidnapped every ten minutes or something, the odds of your child being kidnapped are incredibly miniscule.

But its not really that uncommon, is it?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports..

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.

115 children were the victims of "stereotypical" kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

You were right, X, 10,000 children weren't kidnapped within a couple minutes time frame.. but a shit ton more than that, were all reported missing within the span of 1 year. Numbers almost closing in on the millions, to be exact.

So to say we're over reacting is a bit naive, and downright blindsided to say. I get you don't have children. And I'm not exactly saying I would have anything inserted into my own. However, if a tracking device could be put on their clothing.. it may very well help rest my mind, at least in the slightest on the.. as you more or less described "Off-chance" that they could be abducted.

But if you want to start planting tracking devices on human beings, be my guest. I'm not going to say that you can't do it, I just think that you shouldn't. It's pretty over-board if you ask me, what's next, Child Tracker 3000? (South Park anyone?)

I'm not saying fricken turn every kid in the world into 10% machine by implanting a chip in their head, thats going to make them turn against us like Terminator's or some stupid shit.

I'm merely backing up an idea, in an attempt to lessen that number of kidnappings and reported children missing statistic. Be it for my own children's safety or someone else's.

 

[X]

Come on, X, I'm sure you're smarter than that. I'm not saying the Government is watching our every waking minute and simple move.. but to say its an invasion of privacy, when our privacy has been invaded for years upon years.. is kinda an understatement these days.

Our privacy may be much less important in this day and age of the Patriot ACT, but do you REALLY want a device on you which tells where you are at all time, 24/7? Do you know how incredibly easy it would be for the government to get their hands on that? Privacy would be DEAD. You thought the Patriot ACT invaded our privacy and constitutional rights? This will make that look like child's play. I mean, look, if you want to stick one on your kid when he's a youngin', that's fine. But once he/she hits puberty, you really should get rid of it. You should NEVER give up a basic right (like privacy) in return for safety and security. As Benjamin Franklin said, those who would give up (their rights) in exchange for security, deserve neither.

But its not really that uncommon, is it?

It really is. The odds of your child being kidnapped are astronomically low.

You were right, X, 10,000 children weren't kidnapped within a couple minutes time frame.. but a shit ton more than that, were all reported missing within the span of 1 year. Numbers almost closing in on the millions, to be exact.

Children reported missing are only that: missing. A large portion of those children are found safe and sound every year. I'm not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE that your child will go missing or be kidnapped, but it's just not likely going to happen.

So to say we're over reacting is a bit naive, and downright blindsided to say. I get you don't have children. And I'm not exactly saying I would have anything inserted into my own. However, if a tracking device could be put on their clothing.. it may very well help rest my mind, at least in the slightest on the.. as you more or less described "Off-chance" that they could be abducted.

I'm being naive? How? Kidnappings are not that common. That's a fact.

I'm not saying fricken turn every kid in the world into 10% machine by implanting a chip in their head, thats going to make them turn against us like Terminator's or some stupid shit.

I'm merely backing up an idea, in an attempt to lessen that number of kidnappings and reported children missing statistic. Be it for my own children's safety or someone else's.

I get what you're saying, but I again refer you to Mr. Benjamin Franklin. Those who would give up their rights in exchange for safety deserve neither. Privacy is a basic human right. Without it, we turn into an Orwellian society.

 

[Deadman Disciple]

I think it could be a goods idea for criminals released from prison but implanting them in children is just cruel.

As a parent, my kids privacy is very important and as long as they keep out of trouble (which 99% of the time they do) im not really bothered what they get up to.

But with the nanny state we live (especially here in the UK) I wouldnt be surpised if the government aint working on this.

Remember the film Demolition Man, they had these on Adults aswell as kids.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Hmmmm, i think i'll have to side with the nay-sayers on this one.

Fuck privacy and human rights. If people could be trusted NOT to break the law and cause chaos, then we wouldn't have to keep coming up with ideas to protect the innocent. And don't spout human rights at me, because the scumbags don't consider your human rights when they're stabbing you in the face do they? So then why make it more difficult for law enforcement to act by whining at them about it? Anyone who immediately says 'Human rights! Human rights!' obviously has something to hide imo.

Anyway, these are the reasons why i think this wouldn't help.

Within a month or so of this being decided upon, some media jackoff is going to find out about it and reveal the entire concept to the public and encourage them to resist it through protest etc. This whole human rights argument will flag up again and again and again, and eventually, the government will give up, and the public will then go back to whining about how inneffective the authorities are. If the public did agree to it, all the scumbags and perverts would then have plenty of time to think up a way to avoid being detected, or jamming the signal somehow.

Putting bugs in clothing is even easier than removing them from the epidermal layer. There's no point bringing rape into it, unless the tracking device sends out a specific message that says: "Sophie is in St James Park on North Avenue and is currently having her vagina forceably penetrated against her will.", you still won't know something happened until she comes home in tears and covered blood, or she doesn't come back and you home in on her corspe full of cum.

A lot of TV shows usually depict kidnapped individuals as having been stripped to their bare essentials as well, so clothing isn't going to cut it.... then again, that's TV, so....

There is no way you could hide a device of that kind successfully, without emersing it amongst the vital areas of your body.

By the time someone knows your missing, and the police get their asses together to help you out, the victim is likely to be dead anyway.

Having a piece of technology input into the body could easily be hacked into and manipulated by some outside organisation. You don't think that if America or the UK started using these things that the terrorists won't suddenly give up on suicide bombing and move straight to remote electrocution, or brain washing as their tactic? They'd probably never achieve it, by why take such a risk?

You may laugh, but there's a ******ed Englishman that the US want to extradite because he hacked into NASA and the Pentagon 97 times in 2002 using his gf's aunt's laptop. Woudn't take a determined terrorist long to hack into the tracking network and reprogramme it.

I guess it would help as a deterrent, until people work out how to counter-act it. When police started using dogs to find drugs, what did the pushers do? Swallowed water balloons full of drugs or hid it in their asses.

Remember in Total Recall (yeah, i know it's a movie)? He puts a wet towel round his head and suddenly they can't find him. That's probably just the sort of thing it would take to block one of these tracking signals we're talking about now.

There is only one true deterrent that would work, and that is physical mutilation or punishment by death. No one is scared of being given a bed and board AND a job for 25 years are they? But say, 'get convicted of rape and we'll fornicate your ass with a spkied iron pole, and then you can pay to have your own ass stitched together.' THEN they might think twice.

Saying 'It's much easier for us to catch you now' isn't going to do much when the punishment is still a fuckin' joke.

That's my 2 cents anyway. Not opposed to such an idea, just don't think it'd make much difference.