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Shawn Michaels: Beyond His Prime?

Is Shawn Michaels Passed His Prime?

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Does he have a fulfilling purpose in WWE anymore? In recent months he's been beaten by both John Cena and Randy Orton in a WWE championship match. It seems that lately he's just become another guy for the champion to beat, to make them look stronger. As much as he is probably one of the best to make someone look stronger because of his wrestling talent, it's also having an effect on him.

John Cena isn't a very good wrestler, he's a good advertiser of the show, and has great mic skills, but when it comes to wrestling, he's an average guy, and should no way have had the Championship for that long. Having him beat The showstopper, one of the most respected guys in the business seems unfair and I don't see how this is working with shawn at all.
The Randy Orton feud should have been a good one. Before Shawn returned Orton was the top heel, a good wrestler and tower of strength. When Shawn came back, he suddenly became cowardly. Was victim to the Sweet Chin Music about 4 times, and did everything he could to get it banned. The old Orton would have been a great competitor at Survivor Series, but the cowardly one seemed like a one-sided thing all the way up to it, until the actual match. Again making HBK seem weak.

At the moment, I don't see him having another championship reign, for a while at least. He's one of the best out there, and tears the house down every night. He might not deserve a title reign, everyone will feel differently about that, but he doesn't deserve to be beaten in key matches everytime.
 
It has annoyed me so much, HBK is well a legend, and you are right he is playing the guy to get younger guys over, by losing most big matches he is in. I think WWE are just plain stupid when it comes to this, this is just my opinion, but HBK should have won the belt, Orton and Y2J can feud without a belt, and have HBK go against a younger guys then, like Kennedy, which in my opinion would be a bloody good match.
 
Michaels is not winning titles because of the schedule that comes with that. he does not want to be the top man any more. It why Michaels beat Cena on Raw in a non title match. It why Michaels beat Orton by Dq or on Raw in non title matches. And it looks like Trips and HBK are moving out the title picture and building new stars. That Survivor Series match made Orton look great. The story told was Michaels would have won if the SCM was banned from the match. that led to the opening for orton when HBK hesitated and Michael still nailed it after the match. It does not make HBK look week but, Orton look stronger. This is what vets are supposed to do. Put folks over i.e sting, flair, hogan (He did put Yoko over), and others so that we can now believe they are main event material. Hey they beat the legend HBK, they beat, HHH htey could win the tile is the goal of that.
 
Personally, I agree with you, the wrestlers we grew up with are the ones we want to see win the title and not job to the younger wrestlers. But, obviously that is not the way things work in the wrestling business, wrestlers get older and they have achieved enough goals in their career, so they are needed to help the younger stars become as successful as them.

Kennedy
MVP
Matt Hardy
Jeff Hardy
CM Punk
Orton
Cena
Morrison
Umaga
Lance Cade

Like them or not, these guys will be the top stars for WWE in the next five years, we Attitude Era fans are just going to have to get use to them. I am a fan of some of these guys, but not all of them. Edge and Batista will be jobbing to these stars as well because they both already had great runs in the company, so their time is ticking(especially Batista).

I would have liked to see HBK as champ one more time, but I highly doubt we will ever see Shawn Michaels with the WWE title again, he is passed his prime along with HHH, Taker, and Flair, just to name a few. I will always remain a Triple H fan, even though his best days are behind him, and I will give the younger stars a chance because that is our job as fans.
 
I would have like to seen Shawn take the title from Randy at the PPV also.

Shawn Michaels is by far one of if not THE greatest performer in the business today. He is a legend in his own right, and surely a future Hall of Famer. I think he loses to younger guys because, as BRandonkin said,the schedule. He doesn't work house shows or go on overseas tours. Frankly, the WWE knows that they can't put the strap on a champion who won't promote the title in those areas. Michaels will probably get another title run before it is all said and done, but don't count on it being soon. This whole saga with
Y2J has to blow over first. I hope it WILL eventually happen, though.
 
I have alot of respect for HBK at this point because he is willing to put over the younger guys that are the future of the business. He is a legend and has accomplished alot in his day, however, the time has come for him to pass the torch- and to his credit, he is. There have been many guys over the years that are unwilling to let go of their top spot, but Shawn respects the business enough to know that you're only a legend if there are people to leave your legacy to.
 
Well, let me just say this: When HBK beat HHH for the world title on the first Raw of the year in San Antonio, Texas... my friends and I were thrilled. FINALLY the guy who was (let's face it) the best wrestler on Raw was being acknowledged as such. Then, in bad guy fashion, the win was reversed because both guys' shoulders were to the mat. I was starting to get really tired of being treated like an idiot by WWE. Yeah, I know what a good guy is and what a bad guy is... I even know that the wins and losses are predetermined... but guess what? I watch anyway because I like to. And guess what else? After watching for long enough I feel like it's g-damn time to see the best wrestler win the title.

So, in his rematch for the belt (which he lost) I was pumped because finally, HBK would be champ again. Then, at Taboo Tuesday, I was thrilled because HBK was voted in to fight for the belt and (I know there was an injury) he lost again. Repeat this for like 3 and a half years. He always looks like the better man, always makes his opponents look like a million bucks, and he's one of the most popular guys on the roster. The fans WANT him to be the damn champ and if you don't believe me look at the poll results for the vote-in PPV's.

Finally, Wrestlemania came along. I can't stand Cena. I actually stopped watching wrestling because I was so sick of his routine. A good wrestler I can watch... a wrestler trying to become good I can't... especially when he's already holding the world title before he's even reached "good" status. When I heard about the HBK/Cena feud, I tuned in. I started watching Raw again and I was amazed at what I saw. Almost every arena was making it damn clear that they thought Cena sucked and that they wanted HBK to be champ. They wanted an awesome worker and in-ring talent to finally topple the marketing king. Sure, the girls cheered when Cena came out but if you'd turn down his loud music you'd realize the pop wasn't as big as one might think. I thought "My God, they're FINALLY going to do it". I watched Wrestlemania at a house with like 30 people and all of them went apeshit for HBK. It wasn't because he was HBK... it was because we'd seen him steal the show at every Wrestlemania, get match of the year every single year, and flat out lay the competition to waste time and time again. Finally, we were going to see the working man get his due and Vince McMahon was going to acknowledge the real wrestling fans.

HBK tapped out to the STFU. The (arguably) greatest wrestler ever tapped out at Wrestlemania to the most annoying and awkward looking submission ever, performed by a guy in jean shorts and sneakers. The jaws dropped. We've always known it was predetermined but it was terrible. It was a sign of the way things are not just in wrestling, but in pop culture in general. Talent is shoved aside for dollar signs... work is shoved aside for marketing. Go watch Wrestlemania's main event and watch Cena's victory. People in the crowd are silent. They are leaving the arena with cold, annoyed looks on their faces because they're stunned. WWE did it again... for the billionth time on the grandest stage. I don't care about "what's good for business" or "making stars for the future". That day, it was about more than that and WWE dropped the ball big time. That day, wrestling flat out sucked.

Now HBK pins Cena 1-2-3 in an hour long classic... then he's hurt, then he's back in another title match. I don't even watch because I know what will happen. Heroic effort, no title belt. A billion times over. Then he has another rematch. Heroic effort, no title belt. A billion times over. Guess what, WWE? You really, really suck. One of the greatest wrestlers of all time has stolen the show at more PPVs than anybody, has dubbed himself Mr. Wrestlemania and nobody could argue, and he hasn't held the title in 5 years. Wrestling sucks because it's not for the wrestling fans anymore.
 
HBK should put people over. That's what he's there for. He'll get his fair share of wins. It's not like he's going to become Ric Flair, when defeating him is worthless. He'll feud with Kennedy. And he'll win the feud. But Kennedy will get the experience of working with one of the top dogs. Which he needs, he's been terrible this year.

HBK is one of the highest paid wrestlers on the roster, he also does very little wrestling. In my opinion HBK should be putting over whoever he is asked two. I also think he should be a heel if requested or move brand.
 
I know it hurts us when HBK loses to worthless piece of shits especially like Orton and Cena. We are the fans of pure wrestling. We have been from the Attitude Era where the guys like HBK, AUSTIN, ROCK, MANKIND, UNDERTAKER, HHH and many others were at their best and i truly believe that's the only period when WWF really shined. Many great superstars debuted in Attitude Era like EDGE, JERICHO, LATE (BENOIT), ANGLE and many others. I mean what exactly made that era? Were the writers around WWF were brilliant? Were the superstars motivated? Why does a top guy like ROCK gets fed up of wrestling at such an early stage of his career that he has to opt for movies? Wasn't he a one of the biggest superstars around? And why isn't AUSTIN motivated to come back to wrestling even though he had that surgery performed on him?
what if we have to ask for answers to all of these questions?
It's something WWE has totally lost today. Tell me what will happen when the guys like HBK, UNDERTAKER, HHH, EDGE, FLAIR, KANE, JERICHO, MYSTERIO, HARDYS leave? Who will carry the company? I am sure a guy like ORTON cannot carry WWE in any possible way. CENA can carry WWE to an limited extent. He can sell merchandises, make girls scream, make little kids go wild but will he ever get a wrestling fan's respect? No. Will he a best wrestler? No. Just an average wrestler but a little better than ORTON in all WWE's departments. ORTON seems to have forced to talk before camera without any passion. He's ugly looking and terrible in ring and has no charisma either. It can be seen that WWE is shoving ORTON as a forced champion up our rear cavity.
The belt represents this company so it better be put on some senior and respected who can actually carry the title with dignity. HBK deserves some title runs and Vince should fire ORTON, he definitely is not the future. They are holding up MR. KENNEDY. He really has to top it in WWE and also he takes direct advice from AUSTIN but he is looking less motivated and less passionate for some weeks. WWE doesn't have to lose this guy. He is going to be the future for sure.
With HBK and KENNEDY starting a feud, i think it will do wonders for KENNEDY as a performer. We may have some very good matches in the making.
 
unfortunatley for us all, i cant see the heart break kid ending up with the title any time soon, hes had his schedule reduced and hes said he doesnt want to be the top star, both him and trips are actually taking the hint and putting the younger guys over so they can build towards the future of the wwe, its jsut a shame the wwe is having themback the wrong horses, hbk putting orton over i dont care either way, at the moment i only like orton because hes a change from cena to be honest i wouldve been happy with hornswaggle having the belt so long as i didnt need to hear the same shit week in and week out from cena

if there going to utilise hbk for the next few years (because thats all the time he has left unfortunatley, if you watch raw live you can already tell hes going bald) then they need to think fast and have him bringing up the younger more talented athletes, guys like burke, morrison, punk, kennedy hell even carlito if he stays with the wwe, these younger guys all deserve to be in the main event picture at some point and hbk and trips will be the ones to put them there

so long story short, micheals may get one last title run, but i wouldnt hold your breath
 
unfortunatley for us all, i cant see the heart break kid ending up with the title any time soon, hes had his schedule reduced and hes said he doesnt want to be the top star, both him and trips are actually taking the hint and putting the younger guys over so they can build towards the future of the wwe, its jsut a shame the wwe is having themback the wrong horses, hbk putting orton over i dont care either way, at the moment i only like orton because hes a change from cena to be honest i wouldve been happy with hornswaggle having the belt so long as i didnt need to hear the same shit week in and week out from cena

if there going to utilise hbk for the next few years (because thats all the time he has left unfortunatley, if you watch raw live you can already tell hes going bald) then they need to think fast and have him bringing up the younger more talented athletes, guys like burke, morrison, punk, kennedy hell even carlito if he stays with the wwe, these younger guys all deserve to be in the main event picture at some point and hbk and trips will be the ones to put them there

so long story short, micheals may get one last title run, but i wouldnt hold your breath

The thing about Cena is probably the funniest thing I've read in ages!
Hmm, I know Shawn doesn't have loads of time left in WWE, but I still can't imagine it without him. I'd probably end up crying when he does go.

I think 'the Shawn Mr Kennedy feud is going to be a really good one, they're both amazing wrestlers, and if Mr Kennedy comes out winning this, you could see he'd have easrned it. Neither Cena nor Orton deserved beating Shawn.
 
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Theyll probably never give Michaels the strap again, but Shawn isnt maddened by it either. Yeah he's there to make stars, but I think theres alot of gas still left in his tank too. Even though his backs f***ed I do believe he's still better than 80% of the roster in the ring. Flair had a bad back, but it wasnt his wrestling that kept him on top w/the strap - it was backstage politics WHOOoooooo!!!!!! Shawns done with backstage drama since finding religion anyway.
 
HBK is just used too get younger talent over, he has lots of creditability, and he can make some bad entertainers look pretty good. HBK is a large part of the WWE because i believe if he wasn't they wouldn't have rushed him back from injury so fast. HBK is willing to let go of his top spot too help the younger guys getting over, he will still get his fair share of wins and will still gets his fair share of losses, but he just isn't gonna go out their and job, he is just gonna go out their and wrestle, entertain and in the process make his opponent look very good. I wish he would have the title one more time, but i don't believe it is going to happen because he is not on a full time schedule, and i believe he doesn't work house shows.
 
i think that michaels might just get 1 last title run to end his career with,. although his main purpose in wwe is to put over younger talent like mr.kennedy and randy orton. another hhh fued might be on the cards if hhh is planning to do a heel turn. i hope to god that doesn't happen though because we've seen it 1,000,000 times before, partner vs partner. boooooooooooooooooooooring!
 
You're saying making the WWE Champion look like a complete and utter pussy by kicking him in the face for the past month doesn't make look Shawn good?
I thought he was going to win because of all the momentum.. Thank god he didn't!
I HATE Shawn Michaels because he has made Randy look weak!
Why did he even come back!
Also, he doesn't want to be a top guy anymore, he has a family etc.
 
HBK isnt doing overseas tours or anything anymore so there is no point giving him a top title and he said in his book at this point in his career he doesnt care about winning or losing
 
Just to repeat what everyone else is saying, WWE and wrestling in general is moving on just like everything else in life. Whilst it would be great to see HBK as champ and him feuding with Austin and The Rock, but the fact is it isn't going to happen.

I don't believe HBK will be continually in the title picture and personally i'm quite glad. I would much rather see HBK in feuds which are just as meaningful (e.g HBK v HHH when HBK returned) I understand that all the circumstance's were availible for that story as it was his return, but it was great to see a meaningful feud which drew great reactions from the crowd. I for one would love to see HBK in a feud with Kennedy and it last until Wrestlemania. It may not happen as Kennedy is likely to be in the title picture approaching 'Mania.
This kinnd of meaningful feud would do more for his legacy than him being beaten again and again in title matches such by the likes of Cena and Orton.

So i believe that HBK does have a future in WWE and he will never lose the ability to pull off a great match, he is capable of putting younger superstars over whilst always drawing a reaction from the crowd unlike the current crop such as Umaga and Khali
 
i think that michaels might just get 1 last title run to end his career with,. although his main purpose in wwe is to put over younger talent like mr.kennedy and randy orton. another hhh fued might be on the cards if hhh is planning to do a heel turn. i hope to god that doesn't happen though because we've seen it 1,000,000 times before, partner vs partner. boooooooooooooooooooooring!

I agree, We've seen that 1 (2,3,4,) too many times. And I think we've got everything out of it we possibly can.
HHH shouldn't be doing a heel turn, if anyone it should be Michaels. He's better as heel.
He should be putting people over, after all people did it for him, it just makes him look weak. I was all for the Orton one, until he got the Sweet chin Music banned. Then I was just thinking it shows Orton as a coward, which then isn't good to have him beat Shawn.
 
For all intents and purposes, HBK doesn't even want to wrestle anymore. It's people like Triple H and McMahon that push him into coming back because the WWE fails to make new talent. They need guys like HBK to help make younger guys better.

HBK is fine with what he's doing now this point in his career. He doesn't want the title because he doesn't want the schedule to go along with it. Probably the same reason why the Undertaker didn't win the title at Survivor Series. Why would he want the title and carry the load till Wrestlemania? These guys are older, and established, and for what it's worth, they are bigger then the titles they would represent.
 
For all intents and purposes, HBK doesn't even want to wrestle anymore. It's people like Triple H and McMahon that push him into coming back because the WWE fails to make new talent. They need guys like HBK to help make younger guys better.

HBK is fine with what he's doing now this point in his career. He doesn't want the title because he doesn't want the schedule to go along with it. Probably the same reason why the Undertaker didn't win the title at Survivor Series. Why would he want the title and carry the load till Wrestlemania? These guys are older, and established, and for what it's worth, they are bigger then the titles they would represent.

I really don't agree with the bit in bold. Shawn loves the business, I think that's apparent to everyone. In his autobiography (Yes I know that was a few years ago now but still) he talks about it with so much passion, and I think everyone will remember the losing my smile speech. Hell, I even have it memorized.
So I doubt very much Shawn would EVER not want to wrestle and still do it. There will be a time when he calls quits on things, to be honest I don't think that time is too far away, but if he wanted to, he would. HHH and Vince McMahon wouldn't be able to change his mind.
Basically, Shawn's heart is still in it, you can tell from the passion he puts in his matches, regardless of the result.
 
No one will argue(or i hope not) that HBK is one of the best wrestlers/entertainers ever in wrestling. Now a days no he's not like he used to be but theres something to say about how he still is better than half of the guys half his age. HBK still gets mad pops and can still put on great feuds and is very useful for the wwe.
 
Man, I hope Micheals gets the title one more time. He is still on top of his game, and these days he always seems to be at odds with Vince, so I don't see it happening.
 
Well, let me just say this: When HBK beat HHH for the world title on the first Raw of the year in San Antonio, Texas... my friends and I were thrilled. FINALLY the guy who was (let's face it) the best wrestler on Raw was being acknowledged as such. Then, in bad guy fashion, the win was reversed because both guys' shoulders were to the mat. I was starting to get really tired of being treated like an idiot by WWE. Yeah, I know what a good guy is and what a bad guy is... I even know that the wins and losses are predetermined... but guess what? I watch anyway because I like to. And guess what else? After watching for long enough I feel like it's g-damn time to see the best wrestler win the title.

So, in his rematch for the belt (which he lost) I was pumped because finally, HBK would be champ again. Then, at Taboo Tuesday, I was thrilled because HBK was voted in to fight for the belt and (I know there was an injury) he lost again. Repeat this for like 3 and a half years. He always looks like the better man, always makes his opponents look like a million bucks, and he's one of the most popular guys on the roster. The fans WANT him to be the damn champ and if you don't believe me look at the poll results for the vote-in PPV's.

Finally, Wrestlemania came along. I can't stand Cena. I actually stopped watching wrestling because I was so sick of his routine. A good wrestler I can watch... a wrestler trying to become good I can't... especially when he's already holding the world title before he's even reached "good" status. When I heard about the HBK/Cena feud, I tuned in. I started watching Raw again and I was amazed at what I saw. Almost every arena was making it damn clear that they thought Cena sucked and that they wanted HBK to be champ. They wanted an awesome worker and in-ring talent to finally topple the marketing king. Sure, the girls cheered when Cena came out but if you'd turn down his loud music you'd realize the pop wasn't as big as one might think. I thought "My God, they're FINALLY going to do it". I watched Wrestlemania at a house with like 30 people and all of them went apeshit for HBK. It wasn't because he was HBK... it was because we'd seen him steal the show at every Wrestlemania, get match of the year every single year, and flat out lay the competition to waste time and time again. Finally, we were going to see the working man get his due and Vince McMahon was going to acknowledge the real wrestling fans.

HBK tapped out to the STFU. The (arguably) greatest wrestler ever tapped out at Wrestlemania to the most annoying and awkward looking submission ever, performed by a guy in jean shorts and sneakers. The jaws dropped. We've always known it was predetermined but it was terrible. It was a sign of the way things are not just in wrestling, but in pop culture in general. Talent is shoved aside for dollar signs... work is shoved aside for marketing. Go watch Wrestlemania's main event and watch Cena's victory. People in the crowd are silent. They are leaving the arena with cold, annoyed looks on their faces because they're stunned. WWE did it again... for the billionth time on the grandest stage. I don't care about "what's good for business" or "making stars for the future". That day, it was about more than that and WWE dropped the ball big time. That day, wrestling flat out sucked.

Now HBK pins Cena 1-2-3 in an hour long classic... then he's hurt, then he's back in another title match. I don't even watch because I know what will happen. Heroic effort, no title belt. A billion times over. Then he has another rematch. Heroic effort, no title belt. A billion times over. Guess what, WWE? You really, really suck. One of the greatest wrestlers of all time has stolen the show at more PPVs than anybody, has dubbed himself Mr. Wrestlemania and nobody could argue, and he hasn't held the title in 5 years. Wrestling sucks because it's not for the wrestling fans anymore.

This is so true. Well all of it, but especially the bit in bold. WWE have turned Sports Entertainment into nothing more than a money-making scheme. There are few of us proper wrestling fans out there anymore, because all the people just starting to watch are being brainwashed by John Cena, Randy Orton and most of the others in a top spot. When I look at a brand of wrestling, I look at their champions to see who is the best in the business, as that is what the champion is supposed to symbolise. However, with the WWE you can no longer do this.

How Shawn hasn't had a title run this long is beyond me. He's been the best in the business for the majprity of this time. And yet all he gets in recognition is to be beaten by the champions after a feud where he's been the strongest of the two throughout.
 
This is so true. Well all of it, but especially the bit in bold. WWE have turned Sports Entertainment into nothing more than a money-making scheme. There are few of us proper wrestling fans out there anymore, because all the people just starting to watch are being brainwashed by John Cena, Randy Orton and most of the others in a top spot. When I look at a brand of wrestling, I look at their champions to see who is the best in the business, as that is what the champion is supposed to symbolise. However, with the WWE you can no longer do this.

How Shawn hasn't had a title run this long is beyond me. He's been the best in the business for the majprity of this time. And yet all he gets in recognition is to be beaten by the champions after a feud where he's been the strongest of the two throughout.

Well it is fairly simple why Shawn Michaels hasn't held heavy weight gold in quite sometime,1. he is so over with the crowd, he doesn't need it.2. He works a lighter schedule, I read he doesn't do house shows, so therefore he will not hold heavy weight gold. Michaels is doing his job, he is wrestling younger talent and trying to make them look good, even though it is quite hard to make Kennedy look good. But anyways, Michaels will get his fair share of wins, but he won't hold heavyweight gold. Why you might ask? Because he doesn't need it, he has nothing else to prove, he is a shoe in hall of famer, and is possibly the greatest entertainer to step in the squared circle ( besides Hogan that is). People still pay to see Michaels, therefore he is doing his job, he is going home with a hefty paycheck (or atleast i could imagine), and Vince Mcmahon is very happy, because Michaels still has drawing power, so there is no need for Michaels to hold heavyweight gold.
 
Does he have a fulfilling purpose in WWE anymore? In recent months he's been beaten by both John Cena and Randy Orton in a WWE championship match. It seems that lately he's just become another guy for the champion to beat, to make them look stronger. As much as he is probably one of the best to make someone look stronger because of his wrestling talent, it's also having an effect on him.

John Cena isn't a very good wrestler, he's a good advertiser of the show, and has great mic skills, but when it comes to wrestling, he's an average guy, and should no way have had the Championship for that long. Having him beat The showstopper, one of the most respected guys in the business seems unfair and I don't see how this is working with shawn at all.
The Randy Orton feud should have been a good one. Before Shawn returned Orton was the top heel, a good wrestler and tower of strength. When Shawn came back, he suddenly became cowardly. Was victim to the Sweet Chin Music about 4 times, and did everything he could to get it banned. The old Orton would have been a great competitor at Survivor Series, but the cowardly one seemed like a one-sided thing all the way up to it, until the actual match. Again making HBK seem weak.

At the moment, I don't see him having another championship reign, for a while at least. He's one of the best out there, and tears the house down every night. He might not deserve a title reign, everyone will feel differently about that, but he doesn't deserve to be beaten in key matches everytime.

He has been asked to be champion several times and he has said no each time. When Batista hurt himself a few years back they asked Shawn befor Kurt Angle and I think when the Undertaker hurt himself after Wrestlemania he was asked to go to Smackdown and win the World Title and he said no and they gave the opportunity to Edge. Unlike other people in the company like Triple H, Hulk Hogan and Undertaker he doesnt mind putting over the younger talent and wrestling in the midcard or losing to people like Orton if it is the best for the company.

I for one was so pissed he tapped to Cena at WrestleMania and I think after all that has happened he deserves one last run with the title whether it is on Smackdown or Raw. Everyone is talking about Batista vs. Triple H at Wrestlemania. I don't know why they don't have Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels for the title they wanted to do this years ago and they don't even need to turn one of them heel. I think out of any match they can put together on Raw this one would draw the most attention.
 

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