Sean Morley/Val Venis Bashes the Hardy's

[Joe's Gonna Kill You]

To me it sounds like Val Venis is jealous of Matt and Jeff because they accomplished much more then Val ever did. What has Val done in his wrestling career that is more memorable then either of the of the Hardy's done, Has he out on memorable or great matches in his career. No. Who was more popular, Jeff and Matt and you know they were more popular it's because they have more talent then Val and actually made a connection and made Vince alot of Money. Even last Year Jeff was as popular as John Cena and selling as much merchandize as Cena. To me Val Venis needs to realize that in 5-10 years more people are going to remember what The Hardy's did then what Val Venis accomplished in his career.

 

[WolfNyte]

I gotta say I agree with alot of what Morley says...let me break it on down for ya.

Jeff Hardy - Spot Monkey has he ever wrestled a technical match? I dont think he could and make it intresting. I think thats why someone like Kurt Angle would never have a match with him Kurt would have to carry the whole thing to make it seem half way decent. Jeff would bitch cause he couldnt do a Spot. How many times did JH get busted for Drugs in the WWE...remember this is his second round in TNA and when WWE called him he screwed TNA for the Money WWE offered.

Matt Hardy - SNOOSE fest. I always found MH bland and boring again he could not do a real technical match. Imagine him or his brother trying to do a match with Melenko or Eddie of Chris Benoit. It would be a train wreck.

Helms and Moore...two words 3 count...nothing more be said about those morons. As Val said none of them could hold a candle to Paul London or half the wrestlers out there.

The four jack waggons think they are the best of the best hell they try and claim and blame people for their failings. Rememeber not long ago Kevin Nash ranting about Jeff hardy and RVD comments? There is an ultra long list of wrestlers out there who can out preform them n their sleep. Simply a bunch of stoner Spot Monkeys.

Could you see yourself paying money for a card that had only those four as the matches against nobodies? I would pay to see Angle, HBK, HHH, Nash, Punk, Barrett,Orton,AJ Styles,Chris Daniels..etc and yea even Cena in a match against Joe shomoe but not Jeff , Matt, Suggar Shane Helms or Mandy Shannon Moore against any joe shomoe.

Lets get real lets be honest...yer gonna pay 30 bucks to see those four main event? I dont think so

 

[vermilion]

IT IS IMPORTANT TO REALIZE that just because Val Venus is saying this, doesn't make it any less true. An average Joe that watches basketball but can't play it for his life can still acknowledge that Shaq, a hall of famer, cannot make a free throw to save his soul. Just because the average Joe can't either doesn't make it any less true.

I agree with this completely. I mean, none of us can wrestle as well as Sean Morley or even the Hardys most likely, but here we are criticizing them. That's b/c we are fans, we watch pro wrestling and we have a decent idea of what's good and what's bad. What I don't understand is the hypocrisy. Fans of these four idiots are all like, "OMG Val Venus sucks! Jeff sells wristbands to kids and fat girls, he's the best!", but when Shane Helms rips on HBK, arguably the greatest wrestler of all time, it's cool? Shane Helms, the hillbilly with a lisp that was only over as a goof? Take the mask off and he was nothing, nobody. Sadly he might be the best wrestler of the four anyway.

 

[Black Snow]

God. I just wish everyone would stop. The problem is that each and every single one of these wrestlers whose felt the need to bash each other has half of a point. But they also have half of an exaggerated vendetta. So it ends up being a bunch of half truths where no one appears completely sane.

The way Val described the Hardyz is very true of Jeff. Matt? Not so much. It's true of Shannon Moore. Helms? Not so much. Paul London is someone I would say fits Val's description pretty well but yet he put him over. Professional wrestlers are just like the rest of us in the sense that they'll let their opinion of a guy's in ring ability be clouded by their personal feelings. To paint a bunch of guys with the same broad stroke is never a good idea.

 

[thomas1027]

you people are are defending th hardys are ridiculous. jeff hardy is a complete drug addict and doesnt even know where he is at some points. that is so great for the young kids. he should just go to jail and maybe he then, can get his head straight. matt hardy is a insult to professional wrestling. wasnt it matt hardy who tried getting himself fired. he signed a contract,so live up to it but no, he had to go overboard to get released. he is a overweight non talented moron. neither of them belong in wrestling. they both need rehabs........ like it or not, its the truth

 

[AndarielHalo]

My only thought is, should he be doing that video while he's driving? Also, TNA is NOT big league.


Just because he was a bland, nondescript wrestler doesn't mean his thoughts and opinions and statements of fact should just be brushed aside and ignored. Truth and opinion requires no standards

 

[Prince Punk]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/art...ff-on-the-hardys-calls-them-talentless-121043


I think hes just mad, I undestand most the things he says in the video but I think hes just pissed because they're still in big leagues and hes not. I give Val, credit for all hes done in the past...but calling 4 wrestlers talentless is just idiotic. He bashes the hardy's saying they nobodys, I can agree after watching tna yesterday in away it did look that way. But They've accomplished alot because "They as a wrestler did there job, with what they were meant to do". Then claimed there cult, Shannon. and Greg were trash, Those 2 I beleive would run circles around him, especially shane. He claimed jumping off ladders was nothing...wasn't his finisher jumping off a turn buckle?

Whats your guys thoughts?

First please learn how to talk...

Second TNA is not the Big leagues... Don't even try and say the Hardy's are anywhere near the big leagues at this point. I count ROH,AAA, and NWA as "bigger leagues" than TNA.

Third calling people anything is an opinion and not idiotic when you call them something that is provable. That is Truth.

fourth and final point jumping off the top rope that is a part of the ring and jumping off a ladder in a gimmick match are two different things.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

First please learn how to talk...

Second TNA is not the Big leagues... Don't even try and say the Hardy's are anywhere near the big leagues at this point. I count ROH,AAA, and NWA as "bigger leagues" than TNA.

Third calling people anything is an opinion and not idiotic when you call them something that is provable. That is Truth.

fourth and final point jumping off the top rope that is a part of the ring and jumping off a ladder in a gimmick match are two different things.

TNA is the second biggest company in the U.S. right now and you stating that ROH and NWA are bigger as a joke. The NWA has been dead for years.

Val Venis can say anything he wants to say. I don't agree with more than half of what he said but I'm not going to criticize the guy for speaking his mind. It happens all the time and I'm not going to pick and choose which ones I think are right and wrong and go from there.

 

[Neiler187]

I agree with Val, I really don't see anything great about the Hardy's They're not good wrestlers at all and outside the ring they are immature and disrespectful. I also agree that Paul London could work rings around them and that Moore isn't all that great either though I do think that Helms is a good worker. Val was a great performer in the ring and on the mic and I feel he is one of the most under rated and under appreciated workers of all time.

 

[sTyLnK]

I agree with Val on everything. I never thought Jeff Hardy was all that good in the ring. The WWE made him popular and he turned his back on everyone and decided to be a complete dolt in TNA and go back to his old habits. Val nailed it right on the head. The only reason I wanted to watch Jeff was for him to jump off high spots. Matt Hardy included. It certainly wasn't for their wrestling abilities. As for Shane Helms I thought he was decent in the ring, but it's his gimmick as Hurricane Helms that people will remember about him. Shannon Moore I'm not even going to talk about. He shouldn't even be a wrestler. Terrible in everyway. Mic, in ring etc. Paul London is indeed a much better wrestler.

 

[CaptainZaltan]

So it's ok for Val Venis to go to TNA with zero fanfare, but not for the far more popular Hardy Boys to do the same? And this is all justified because 'real' wrestling fans prefer Val Venis?

Come on, really? Is everyone really defending Val Venis here? I'm certainly no fan of the Hardy's or their associates, and I would greatly prefer for Jeff to never go anywhere near a main event again. But this is ridiculous.

Stating an opinion backed up with juvenile insults and an assertion that 'real' fans would agree with him does not make a valid argument. Particularly when he's seemingly dumb enough to record it while driving. Really, all that Val has to go on here is a subjective, unprovable assertion that 'real' fans prefer him, and that his style is what pro-wrestling is "supposed' to be". Well, if "real" fans prefer Val Venis, there must not be a lot of them out there, given his failure to get over in the two largest wrestling companies in the US. And as for what pro wrestling is and is not supposed to be, the closest insight we get into Val's opinion comes when he stresses that Matt Hardy couldn't "fight his way out of a wet paper bag." If I didn't believe Morley was delusional before, I certainly do now. Being able to fight has nothing to do with being a pro wrestling. They are not real fighters. End of story.

Hell, you can watch his own logic break down when he claims that Michael Hayes wanted to live vicariously through the Hardy's. Val quickly realizes that such an assertion wouldn't make any sense if the Hardy's didn't actually have some talent, and there's a noticeable pause as he tries to get back on track with his rant. Which he can only do by throwing out more juvenile insults.

I can understand, to some degree, Val's arguments about the Hardy's not coming up in the industry in the same way that he did. However, that's true of the majority of the WWE's roster today. The old ways are dead. And regardless of how you got to the dance, once you've arrived it's up to you to get by on your own talent and abilities. The Hardy's didn't need trampolines to surpass Val.

I can summarize Val's entire argument in a sentence: "I don't like the Hardy's, they are more popular and have had much more success than myself, but that's alright because they are goofballs and I can beat them up."

 

[Prince Punk]

TNA is the second biggest company in the U.S. right now and you stating that ROH and NWA are bigger as a joke. The NWA has been dead for years.

Val Venis can say anything he wants to say. I don't agree with more than half of what he said but I'm not going to criticize the guy for speaking his mind. It happens all the time and I'm not going to pick and choose which ones I think are right and wrong and go from there.

The only joke I see around here is TNA comparing it to the standings of the NWA is about where I see it standing in the "big Leagues" note what I was talking about before you make stupid comments.

Congrats on beng the second biggest wrestling promotion in the U.S when I believe there is a total of 4 that carry any type of name? WWE, TNA, ROH, NWA? really you want to brag about that? are you sure? As really the only thing you proved there was how shitty wrestling options are in America for exposure.

 

[WarMachine1890]

The Hardys along with others need to disappear. Quite frankly these guys are past their primes. These guys want to be treated like they're on top of their world and are the best at what they do. Like everyone has said Jeff is a spot monkey and not even a good one, Matt might be the better wrestler of the two but he still sucks. If they were actually as great as they claimed to be then by all rights wine and cry and get what you want. But when you put on performances like the one they put on this week, they're messing the product that I love. It just turns me off seeing guys like beer money the guns, styles and even some of the "wwe rejects" being pushed over for guys like the hardys and rvd (as much as i used to like him) , guys that don't even have a passion for the business anymore. Granted you're not going to put a five star match every night. But when you botch as much of these guys you are disrespecting fans and the business when you put on an embarrassing match like the one this week. When I see things like that I cringe and it makes me embarrassed to call myself not just a TNA fan but a wrestling fan

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

The Hardys along with others need to disappear. Quite frankly these guys are past their primes. These guys want to be treated like they're on top of their world and are the best at what they do. Like everyone has said Jeff is a spot monkey and not even a good one, Matt might be the better wrestler of the two but he still sucks. If they were actually as great as they claimed to be then by all rights wine and cry and get what you want. But when you put on performances like the one they put on this week, they're messing the product that I love. It just turns me off seeing guys like beer money the guns, styles and even some of the "wwe rejects" being pushed over for guys like the hardys and rvd (as much as i used to like him) , guys that don't even have a passion for the business anymore. Granted you're not going to put a five star match every night. But when you botch as much of these guys you are disrespecting fans and the business when you put on an embarrassing match like the one this week. When I see things like that I cringe and it makes me embarrassed to call myself not just a TNA fan but a wrestling fan

So many wrong statements. Head about to explode.

1. Beer Money and MCMG have had the best matches in TNA over the tag team titles. They've fought like 20 times in the two or three months alone.

2. Immortal is the huge storyline right now and they have AJ Styles if I'm not mistaken? Anderson, a WWE reject, is the heavyweight champion and Morgan, another WWE reject, is one of the top faces in TNA.

3. Jeff Hardy has been over in his career moreso than arguably any superstar during his time in WWE and TNA. Nobody puts on a great performance each and every week. Every wrestler has a bad match. Fans are still going to cheer the Hardys.

 

[WarMachine1890]

So many wrong statements. Head about to explode.

1. Beer Money and MCMG have had the best matches in TNA over the tag team titles. They've fought like 20 times in the two or three months alone.

2. Immortal is the huge storyline right now and they have AJ Styles if I'm not mistaken? Anderson, a WWE reject, is the heavyweight champion and Morgan, another WWE reject, is one of the top faces in TNA.

3. Jeff Hardy has been over in his career moreso than arguably any superstar during his time in WWE and TNA. Nobody puts on a great performance each and every week. Every wrestler has a bad match. Fans are still going to cheer the Hardys.

1. I'm not saying I want the Guns and Beer Money to have more matches but they need to focus on guys like them more.
2. Yeah AJ styles is part of Immortal but he's taking a backseat to Jeff which I'm sure he along with fans don't like, because we know Jeff is not a tenth of a worker that he is. I'm glad Anderson is champ. I don't really like how Morgan is being booked though, I guess he's changed face between heel to many times in a short amount of time, that's for a different thread though.
3.We have yet to see if he is really over with TNA fans like he was with WWE fans because they never leave the impact zone and we know how the fans there can be. And yes every wrestler does have a bad match, but Hardy has them on a weekly basis.

 

[RH23]

Wow it seems like every day now wrestlers are bashing each other more and more. To me this seems like Val Venis is trying to start shit so people will start talking about him more and more in order to become relevant again. I'm not saying he's wrong for doing it but I think its stupid. Some things he was saying were true but a lot of it was just bullshit. "Real fans" don't like the Hardys? Whose to say who can like which wrestlers? He's just bitter because the Hardy's became successful and he hasn't been big in a decade.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

While I don't think Val Venis is more bitter than say Shane Helms is, I still don't understand why absolute nobodies of yesterday keep trying to shoot on bigger, (somewhat) successful wrestlers. It's like guys straight out the midcard feel they're not getting enough attention, so they have to rip on the biggest dogs they can find in order to gain some notoriety.

He's effectively burning his bridges with TNA. If he's looking for a career, he's got only the WWE, who doesn't see him as a draw, at all. And it's sad, really.

 

[MarkoMan]

This was hilarious.

Isn't part of "pro wrestling" being able to put on a show? The Hardys have easily put on more memorable shows than anything I could ever attempt to remember from Val Venis (have the liberty to show me an amazing Val Venis match, however).

Val Venis talks about the Hardys, as well as Helms and Moore, not being real pro wrestlers or whatever, because they jump on trampolines or something like that. I don't see why it would hard to embrace their high flying style as a style of wrestling. Maybe they weren't all that innovative with the jumping off the turnbuckle or the ladder or whatever it may be, but they had a style, and it was entertaining.

That said, they really aren't as good as they used to be, which is why I hope the Hardys don't really get too deep involved in TNA's overall tag team picture.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

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Need I say more?

No, but I will. Look, I won't discredit Val Venis just because he bashed the Hardy's and because he was a blip on the pro wrestling radar 10 years ago, let alone now. There were hints of truth in his statement, but most of them felt forced and over-exaggerated. If The Hardy's were talentless and you were such a big shot, they would be doing shoot interviews for 20 bucks, not you.

 

[itbewilly]

I think its funny..Val is bashing Matt for using Youtube to keep his name/character relevant and what does Val do? Release a shoot video on the Hardy's probably because no one has heard from him or talked about him in year's..All he ever did really was won a couple mid card titles..He never had a meaningful feud unless there was an attractive woman present for him and someone else to feud over.I think Val is just bitter because all he ever had really was a "porn star" gimmick that while had its entertaining parts really has no place today in wrestling.

Besides wasn't he just a jobber the last few years of his WWE contract? At least the people you seen Matt Hardy putting over on Smackdown went on to become mid/upper card title holders/chaser's... Most of the people Val jobbed for are long gone just like him.

I liked Val Venus as a character. It sucks that he isn't still used.But when we look back on who had a bigger impact on pro wrestling. Three words will end any argument of Val Venus and Matt or Jeff for that matter. Tables Ladders and Chairs..What the Hardy's did with the Dudleys and Edge and Christian along will make them more memorable then anything Val ever did.Not to mention all the singles and tag titles Matt and Jeff both won over the years.

 

[GetsHeat]

I pretty much agree with Sean but he's not really in any position to talk shit.

I mean let's face it, he made his career on a gimmick, it didn't matter how well he could work, he was a gimmick guy. No more, no less.. that's why he was too much of a bitch to even attempt another gimmick when he joined TNA earlier in 2010. I mean does he really think he got over because he was a good worker?

Jeff has exceeded everyones expectations as a heel, and he might be sloppy, he might not be technical, but Jeff is entertaining the ring, and he's shown he can be a face that's extremely over, or a heel that most love to hate.

Sean has proven he can pretend to be a porn actor.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Just watched what Sean Morley had to say:-

Morley talks about "what wrestling is really about". Oh, really, Sean. So, in your mind, is wrestling about posing as an adult film star, and making double-entendres which would make Benny Hill blush? Is that what wrestling is about? The fact that you couldn't get over as Sean Morley, so you had to be Val Venis instead?

Now, I'm not saying that Morley has ZERO talent. I thought he was quite talented. But it amuses me when a wrestler (usually a washed-up one) uses Youtube to settle scores, and bag a business which they made a ton of money off.

As for saying the Hardys didn't have talent. Well, maybe Mr Morley doesn't understand "what wrestling is really about". It is, first and foremost, about entertainment. The fact is, the Hardys entertained fans with their Ladder and TLC matches against Edge and Christian and the Dudleyz. The Hardys had many scorching battles, involving all types of gimmicks, with Edge and Christian. What was it that fans talked about after Summerslam 2000? It was the Three-Way TLC match involving the three forementioned teams. Does anyone remember who Val Venis fought at "Summerslam" that year? I had to look up my wrestling almanac to find out that Val Venis teamed with Trish to fight Eddie Guerrero and Chyna. Does anyone even remember that? But I didn't need to remind myself when the TLC match occurred.

That's the point, Val Venis! It's giving the fans what they want. They wanted to see the Hardys jump off a ladder through a table. They wanted to see the Hardys risk their lives to please the fans. There is a lot less danger in sprouting obscure penis references than in falling from a great height through a table.

Now, I am not defending the Hardys' wacky actions of late, nor Jeff's drug use. I am also aware that the Hardys made a Youtube video, running down C.M. Punk, so they may be getting some heat back. But, in the end, who will be more remembered, the Hardy Boys or Val Venis? Just sayin'!

 

[d_henderson1810]

He's not really wrong. None of the four are actual decent wrestlers, if you mean actual wrestling. They botch constantly, they are sloppy as hell, no idea how to sell, no use of psychology at all, the Hardys being the worst of the four. He didn't say jumping off of ladders was nothing, he said jumping off and landing on another ladder was nothing. Shannon Moore and Shane Helms are definitely not better wrestlers as a whole than Sean Morley. He wasn't anything special, but he is a very solid wrestler overall. Those two may have a couple of decent moves but that's about it. Like I said above, lack of actual wrestling ability though. I believe the term is 'spot monkey'.

Side note, your signature is messed up, you might want to fix it. Straight, not Striaght.

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You say that the Hardys are worthless because they are "spot monkeys" who botch moves. It is funny, though, how ROH is praised for their "spots". So, if you are in ROH, you can wrestle, but because they did their stunts in the "successful" WWE, they are "spot monkeys".

If the Hardys did the exact same matches in Japan or ROH, and never joined WWE or TNA, they would never be criticized by you smarks.

 

[d_henderson1810]

I have felt the need to reply in this topic after many months of lurking, purely because I feel it's about time somebody really put the 'Hardly Boys' under the scrutiny microscope!

Firstly, I am mostly going to echo the sentiments expressed by many here already! In saying that, I agree with Matt & Jeff being labeled as 'Spot Monkeys' and nowadays, not very good ones at that!
Years of reckless bumps and general wear and tear have ensured that the Hardy's are now mere shadows of their former selves in the ring.
I personally never saw the qualities in them that made them both multi-millionaires and awarded them the adulation of a certain sect of the masses in the 2000's.

When I was a fourteen year old in 2000, when Matt & Jeff were hitting their strides in their collective prime, watching the Hardy's perform even then for me was a chore.
Sure, Jeff boasted impressive aerials and Matt was always there for the "not-so-hot" tag, ready to drop his "white man can't jump" second-rope Leg Drop on his hapless victim, However, even then the Hardy's glaring weaknesses were blatantly obvious to me.

Trying to watch/listen to each stumble through a routine promo was about as fun as cancer...and if they weren't hurling themselves through triple-stacked balsa wood tables off the top of ladders, they were busy rushing and blowing spots, much to the chagrin of their unfortunate opponents on any given night.

The highlight of the early-2000's period for the Hardy's was Amy Dumas removing her top each week to perform her patented "Titty-canrana"! Which always delivered a healthy crowd pop which helped divert people's attention away from the already by then predictable Hardy routine.

For those questioning Sean Morley and debating whether or not he has any room to be so critical of Matt & Jeff I say this. Sean Morley is a seasoned pro, who over the years has demonstrated the in-ring skills and promo ability to at least warrant a sustained upper-mid card push in the majors'.
However, the usual backstage politics and pissing and moaning from the backstage "boo boys" quelled nearly every opportunity he had.

The biggest setback "Val" received was when Vince Russo left the WWF in October 1999 just as he and Vinnie Mac were starting to really get behind Morley and put him up against the then red-hot Rock. "Val" around this time also chemically enhanced his physique further and managed to whip himself into amazing shape! Then, after Russo left, the WWF lost is testicles and killed off nearly all edgy characters and those performers who were in Russo's good books. Sean Morley unfortunately was one of them. He then regressed back to the lower-mid card and steadily declined into uselessness.

One last thought, I still remember when Sean Morley really made me sit up and take notice of his skills, It was his superb curtain-jerking effort against D'Lo Brown at Summerslam 1998! It wasn't exactly Flair-Steamboat, but as far as opening matches on WWF cards at the time, it more than delivered!

My apologies if I went off on a tangent, I tend to get a little carried away on the odd occasion I post!

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Maybe Matt and Jeff look wretched because of the toll their bodies have taken on stunts performed for you fans. But they needn't have bothered, if this is how they are spoken about. I would say that they were foolish, to risk their bodies in the impossible hope of pleasing ungrateful shits like the IWC. But I forgot, most of you aren't fans of wrestling, or pay to see it anyway. No, most of you base your imformation on wrestlers from what other imbeciles write on the internet.

Oh, yeah. Morley is a seasoned pro. That stood him in good stead, didn't it? So he was such a pro, that he didn't need a gimmick like being a male porn star to get anyone to care about his act?

At least Matt and Jeff used their real names, and we knew a bit about their past. Unless you are one of the few who watch independent wrestling, and you knew that the masked guy called Steel was the same guy who played Val Venis, you wouldn't know anything about Sean Morley.

You talk about "boo boys" holding back Val Venis. Remind of which match it was that Triple H or the Undertaker buried Val Venis? Oh, that's right, he rarely had matches against them, since he wasn't even on their level. At least Triple H has put over Jeff Hardy.

Also, you are comparing any Val Venis match to Steamboat-Flair. Sir, that comparison reminds me what your post really is- a piece of bull****!

 

[d_henderson1810]

The Hardys along with others need to disappear. Quite frankly these guys are past their primes. These guys want to be treated like they're on top of their world and are the best at what they do. Like everyone has said Jeff is a spot monkey and not even a good one, Matt might be the better wrestler of the two but he still sucks. If they were actually as great as they claimed to be then by all rights wine and cry and get what you want. But when you put on performances like the one they put on this week, they're messing the product that I love. It just turns me off seeing guys like beer money the guns, styles and even some of the "wwe rejects" being pushed over for guys like the hardys and rvd (as much as i used to like him) , guys that don't even have a passion for the business anymore. Granted you're not going to put a five star match every night. But when you botch as much of these guys you are disrespecting fans and the business when you put on an embarrassing match like the one this week. When I see things like that I cringe and it makes me embarrassed to call myself not just a TNA fan but a wrestling fan

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I wonder if the IWC feels that Ric Flair needs to "disappear" as well. He was past his prime in 1998.

But, I forgot, you are not allowed to criticise Legends here, even if they now look, wrestle, and cut promos like silly old farts.

Flair, calling Foley and the Hardys "spot monkeys" is a joke, when he embarrasses himself like a drunken uncle each week.