Tripleb2k1
Pre-Show Stalwart
even if that load of crap was true, it's still a typo as you are oblivious that there wasn't enough zeros
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Screw You, Ric Flair!
- Thread starter Ferreira
- Start date
even if that load of crap was true, it's still a typo as you are oblivious that there wasn't enough zeros
I know people who love tna are going to be pissed at me but fuck tna. They can suck ric's dick. He is fucking ric flair. Hes the best thing to ever happen to wrestling. He is fucking ric flair, and you can say anything you want, but you cant forget that he is the fucking king of wrestling. He can do whatever the fuck he wants. And if aj styles, matt morgan, and bobby roode have anything bad to say about ric flair, they need to remember that he is ten times more charismatic than all of them combined and if there lucky and they keep their mouth shut, maybe he will ley them learn from him.
d_henderson1810
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I definitely understand what the OP is talking about in regards to brand loyalty and respecting the company you work for. On the other hand, this isn't Jeff Hardy or Ken Anderson you're talking about, it's Ric Flair. He can pretty well do what he wants to do within the wrestling business. If he says that in his mind his last real wrestling match was at WrestleMania 24, who is to argue otherwise? I think the bottom line is that Flair is only with TNA because he needs the money, not because he really gives a damn about the company, which is reflected in his sentiments regarding it. Either way, as someone else noted, TNA called Ric Flair, he didn't call them. My jury is still out on whether he has really done anything for the company worthy of a $200,000.00 price tag honestly. His presence hasn't seemed to boost ratings, or legitimize the people he worked with any more than their own efforts inside and outside of the ring.
Like many of the others I'd gladly take a Ric Flair promo over a match with any handful of the talent they have, but still that doesn't sell me on watching the show. Again, with those things in mind I don't know if he's actually been worth the price tag. He's really shown his ass with the establishment because "He's Ric Flair" and because he thinks he's above that company and above the business in general. I'd say if he were above that company or the business in general he wouldn't be there scrounging for every penny he can get out of them. Sure, the WWE may be finding a place for him in the future, but my money goes on the reason behind that being because they feel sorry for him and are willing to help him out in his financial issues. McMahon has already bent over backwards to help Flair in the past, and you see that Flair is mostly loyal to Vince as a result.
I think with TNA it's a "What have you done for me lately?" situation, with Flair not realizing that they've done quite a bit to help him out. Either way, at the end of the day he IS Ric Flair, and he calls his own shots. He can shoot from the hip if he wants, give credit where he sees fit to or not to, and there isn't anyone that can really hold it against him ultimately. So what, he didn't put over his work with TNA? Maybe he is just more proud of the things he's done prior to that and would rather shine the light on those things, rather than what he's done in TNA simply for a paycheck. I don't see anything inherently wrong with that, and I don't think anyone here should really take it to him for it either.
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Unlike a lot of people here, I don't act like Ric Flair put the sun in the sky and ordered it to shine.
You say that Ric Flair can say what he damn likes? Wrong! A fact is a fact. If Ric Flair said that the earth was flat, it doesn't make it so. Flair said that his last match was at WM24. Well, that is wrong. He wrestled on an Australian tour with Hulk Hogan, and then joined TNA. He has had two or three matches since.
WM24 wasn't stipulated as, if Flair lost, it would be his last PPV match. It was sold as a loss would mean that WM24 would be his LAST MATCH. EVER!
All the carry-on that went on the next night is a worthless wank job if Ric Flair can still wrestle a couple of years later.
Anyway, I knew that Flair would never stop wrestling. He needed the money, because he is bankrupt and has four ex-wives to support. Also, what would Flair do with his life? Spend time with his kids, who he neglected their whole life.
Someone said that they like hearing a Ric Flair promo. But sometimes he is incoherent, so it is hard to make out what his rambling point is.
You all fall at Ric Flair's feet, but it wasn't him that had people calling out "You still got it!" at Wrestlemania 25. If Steamboat wrestled full-time, he could go better than Ric Flair these days, and he is not much younger than him.
Earth to stupid guy, WWE didn't cast Mick Foley or Ric Flair to the curb, they walked away.
WWE was paying them to do nothing but appearances and be an ambassador
TNA pays what? and to do what? Help get them over which is virtually impossible.
Ric Flair onscreen has time and time again spouted good things about TNA and has did decent job makin AJ relevant as a heel, and Mick Foley just cause they can't get there head out of there asses and take offence to one "joke" is there problem
WWE was paying them to do nothing but appearances and be an ambassador
TNA pays what? and to do what? Help get them over which is virtually impossible.
Ric Flair onscreen has time and time again spouted good things about TNA and has did decent job makin AJ relevant as a heel, and Mick Foley just cause they can't get there head out of there asses and take offence to one "joke" is there problem
I aint a Flair fan, never understood all the hype surrounding him BUT the match against HBK was his last proper match. Nobody watches TNA or really cares for the product so whatever he has done there doesn't really count does it?
When you talk about Flair you talk about WCW and WWE. Simple really.
When you talk about Flair you talk about WCW and WWE. Simple really.
As a lifelong Ric Flair fan -- I just posted about him in the "Greatest Heel of All-Time Thread" -- it pains me to watch him in his current state. I really wish his last match was with Shawn Michaels.
Unfortunately, he hasn't allowed that to be our last memory of him. He's out there, week-in, week-out sometimes, working overtime to tarnish my memory of him. Not only is he a shell of his former self physically, his once utterly amazing promos have been reduced to frequently incoherent rants where it looks like his head might actually explode at any given moment. On occasion, it's downright frightening.
Were TNA to properly use Flair, I think it would be in a managerial capacity. At this point, he should be actively "passing on" what he has accumulated during his 40-year career rather than ever stepping into the ring again. Every time he does, I cringe -- because each occasion further erases a legacy he worked ridiculously hard to build.
Each time a 15-year-old kid watches the haggard, sagging Flair battered around, his legend dies just a little bit. It lessens the likelihood that same kid will take the initiative to find out who "The Nature Boy" was and what he once meant to the industry.
I wish he could see it like so many other people, those who he has wowed so many times over the years, do. It might make him think a little less about how he represents himself, talks about his career and handles himself professionally.
At this point, though, it might be too late. Too many new viewers will always remember him as that tired old man still acting like a 30-year-old Playboy. God, I'm embarrassed for him just thinking about it.
Unfortunately, he hasn't allowed that to be our last memory of him. He's out there, week-in, week-out sometimes, working overtime to tarnish my memory of him. Not only is he a shell of his former self physically, his once utterly amazing promos have been reduced to frequently incoherent rants where it looks like his head might actually explode at any given moment. On occasion, it's downright frightening.
Were TNA to properly use Flair, I think it would be in a managerial capacity. At this point, he should be actively "passing on" what he has accumulated during his 40-year career rather than ever stepping into the ring again. Every time he does, I cringe -- because each occasion further erases a legacy he worked ridiculously hard to build.
Each time a 15-year-old kid watches the haggard, sagging Flair battered around, his legend dies just a little bit. It lessens the likelihood that same kid will take the initiative to find out who "The Nature Boy" was and what he once meant to the industry.
I wish he could see it like so many other people, those who he has wowed so many times over the years, do. It might make him think a little less about how he represents himself, talks about his career and handles himself professionally.
At this point, though, it might be too late. Too many new viewers will always remember him as that tired old man still acting like a 30-year-old Playboy. God, I'm embarrassed for him just thinking about it.
OneTooManyPunts
Pre-Show Stalwart
I get what the OP is trying to say, but are you really that surprised that Flair isn't going out of his way to promote TNA?
If you're on these forums, then there is a decent chance you've read plenty of articles detailing Flair's financial woes, and his personal issues as well. There's a good chance you've seen that he's willing to do endorsements for smaller companies, and that, at this point in his career, it's about the money.
The Ric Flair that had a passion for the business, and that was looking to contribute as a big name in ring competitor, was retired by HBK at Wrestlemania. What is left now is just Ric Flair in name.
When you think of Flair, you think of his accolades, and his legacy in pro wrestling. His legacy is profound. Now, he's working for the default #2 promotion, and his talents are being used to promote the likes of Gunner and Garrett Bischoff, all the while being a part of stable that most fans wouldn't really be able to say is still a stable.
I'm not shocked in the least that Flair didn't name drop TNA, especially when you consider those statements were made around Wrestlemania and the HOF. He is if nothing else these days, a business man, and I find it hard to believe Flair wouldn't return to WWE if the price is right.
At this point, I'd just rather see Flair leave the business all together. He's done an immeasurable amount of good for the business over the years, but now his time in TNA is tainting that legacy. He's the first two time HOF'er, and his biggest achievement in the last six months has been helping Gunner get wins over Garrett Bischoff and RVD.
I don't think TNA knows what to do with Flair, because I think TNA knows Flair is only there for the paycheck. He's been less then cooperative on many occasions regarding publicity, and non Impact/PPV events for TNA, and a result he's not their most reliable big name.
If you are a TNA fan, it's easy to get angry at Flair for essentially disallowing their existence, but if you look at what he has become, as opposed to what you remember he used to be, I think you'll find it's not that hard to believe these days.
If you're on these forums, then there is a decent chance you've read plenty of articles detailing Flair's financial woes, and his personal issues as well. There's a good chance you've seen that he's willing to do endorsements for smaller companies, and that, at this point in his career, it's about the money.
The Ric Flair that had a passion for the business, and that was looking to contribute as a big name in ring competitor, was retired by HBK at Wrestlemania. What is left now is just Ric Flair in name.
When you think of Flair, you think of his accolades, and his legacy in pro wrestling. His legacy is profound. Now, he's working for the default #2 promotion, and his talents are being used to promote the likes of Gunner and Garrett Bischoff, all the while being a part of stable that most fans wouldn't really be able to say is still a stable.
I'm not shocked in the least that Flair didn't name drop TNA, especially when you consider those statements were made around Wrestlemania and the HOF. He is if nothing else these days, a business man, and I find it hard to believe Flair wouldn't return to WWE if the price is right.
At this point, I'd just rather see Flair leave the business all together. He's done an immeasurable amount of good for the business over the years, but now his time in TNA is tainting that legacy. He's the first two time HOF'er, and his biggest achievement in the last six months has been helping Gunner get wins over Garrett Bischoff and RVD.
I don't think TNA knows what to do with Flair, because I think TNA knows Flair is only there for the paycheck. He's been less then cooperative on many occasions regarding publicity, and non Impact/PPV events for TNA, and a result he's not their most reliable big name.
If you are a TNA fan, it's easy to get angry at Flair for essentially disallowing their existence, but if you look at what he has become, as opposed to what you remember he used to be, I think you'll find it's not that hard to believe these days.
reddevil69
Getting Noticed By Management
I'm not going to bash Flair, but I will say that I have an interview with the man from 2006 and he openly criticizes and slags TNA....I think it's pretty sad that two years later when he is shown the door by WWE, (let's not forget, Vince made the decision to have him retire, he did not do it on his own terms, he was told that Mania 24 would be his last match and we all know he was not crazy about the idea) he then goes to TNA with his hand out and takes their money to continue making a living.
You can't have it both ways. I understand his need to maintain an income but you can't work for McDonalds for 10 years and bash Burger King all the time and find negative things to say about them and all of a sudden go and work for them and be all smiles and pro-company because of money...that's called being a sell-out.
Flair may have not put over TNA in the particular interview that this thread started over, but he has put them over quite a bit the past three years. Does he believe what he's saying or is he saying it because he needs a paycheck?
You can't have it both ways. I understand his need to maintain an income but you can't work for McDonalds for 10 years and bash Burger King all the time and find negative things to say about them and all of a sudden go and work for them and be all smiles and pro-company because of money...that's called being a sell-out.
Flair may have not put over TNA in the particular interview that this thread started over, but he has put them over quite a bit the past three years. Does he believe what he's saying or is he saying it because he needs a paycheck?
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.....So?
It was his last major PPV match. All he's had after that is pointless filler and a rule-less brawl with Mick Foley. Is it a matter of him disrespecting TNA or him honoring what WWE tried to do? He can say whatever the hell he wants. If TNA doesn't care, neither should anyone else.
When you work for a company, you represent their brand, their image, and the people who work there. You can say whatever you want, but there are consequences for your words/actions as well. Flair's refusal to acknowledge TNA while at the same time publicly praising the competitor is a direct slap in the face to TNA. He is passively diminishing the TNA brand, its image, and the people who work there. The fact that he hasn't been reprimanded (that we know of) or fired shows a lack of courage on their part to do anything; probably because they are afraid to lose him back to WWE. The fact that TNA doesn't care what Ric Flair is saying doesn't make it any less disrespectful.
So there.
BIG Jimmy 2115
New Member
Dragon Saga just owned the shit out of Ferreira lmao......I don't like Ric Flair at all, I think he is over-rated to the max, I don't feel he drew as much as many others and gets a lot of credit that I feel is exaggerated.
I feel his overall skill is lackluster and that there are many many many many better than him including his Horsemen teammate Arn Anderson but I am not dumb and know I am in the minority with that opinion and will likely get little to no support from anyone on here.
HOWEVER, Ric Flair IS the biggest name in TNA other than Hogan so the company should be kissing his feet for joining the minor leagues, cause that is what TNA is in comparison to WWE, and not just sitting on a Legends contract in WWE which would allow him to live comfortably. He went to TNA to make money, YES, but he also jumped cause of the potential they had when Hogan showed up.
I really think you should just stop whining cause only hardcores watch TNA so all the casuals are completely unaware that he has wrestled since WM24 and probably don't care either way. But then again, if nobody saw the matches after WM24, did they really happen? Like the old tree falling in the woods, if no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?
LMAO oh man are the TNA fans gonna troll my ass after that one
Yes they are my friend, yes they are lol. But youre right tho
I tend to agree with the poster that said he is Ric Flair, he can say whatever he wants. It seems to me he has been unhappy in TNA for a while. Who knows maybe he is trying to get himself fired. I am sure Vince would sign him in a heartbeat. Didn't I hear he wanted him for the WWE network or something. I think we should give Ric a break, and besides he would probably rather be remembered for the match against HBK anyway.
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Only have NJ World now!
Hold on is there an actual link to the interview where Flair says this? Don Tony and Kevin Castle talk a lot of crap sometimes.
Maybe TNA don't care and are just waiting for his contract to run out so they can be done with him.
I don't know if this was a work or if AJ meant what he said but on the front page there's a story about an interview AJ gave and here's what he had to say about Flair.
“I soaked up so much information from Ric Flair that I realized he’s kind of a douche-bag. Neither Fortune nor myself wanted to be around him any more. Fortune kind of imploded because of it.”
I don't know if this was a work or if AJ meant what he said but on the front page there's a story about an interview AJ gave and here's what he had to say about Flair.
“I soaked up so much information from Ric Flair that I realized he’s kind of a douche-bag. Neither Fortune nor myself wanted to be around him any more. Fortune kind of imploded because of it.”
New Hot Fed
Championship Contender
But why are TNA paying Ric Flair? They only have him show up to be Bischoff's lackey, he's not involved in anything worthwhile. He's not making them any money. It's like they're blowing money just for the sake of it. If Flair was the center of the attention in Impact Wrestling and would blow off the company, sure I would be mad but it's like TNA is ashamed to have him being part of their organisation, why should he mention them?
whoopin' ass
Championship Contender
don't forget, Flair asked to leave the wwe, they didn't fire him. when you ask to leave a company and then sign on with another company, you should be loyal to the company who you work for. Flair has done a lot of little things over the last few years to put over wwe while tna pays the bills. remember the Championship Belt incident from a few years back where he said he contacted wwe to send a World Title belt to i think it was the World Series champion pitcher(could be wrong on the sport) and it turned out it wasn't even him who did it? why would you contact wwe when you don't work for them? even with the hall of fame this year, why would he go? say what you want, he doesn't work for wwe anymore. all he needed to say was "Vince, it is inappropriate for me to show". it is a pretty good chance that he will return to wwe within a few years, it could have waited until then.
as for matches, wasn't that one of the reasons why Flair wanted to leave wwe - he still wanted to wrestle? and he has done so quite a bit in TNA. if he feels that his match with Shawn was his last match, is he wrestling for free? if not, what does that say about him - a man who is not giving his full effort because in his mind, he has already wrestled his last match. Flair needs to grow up a little - Nature Boy is an old man now. but he has that wwe safety net and no matter what, he will always have a place to go so he can continue to act this way. I was never a huge fan of his but i do think he is treating TNA like they need him when really, they don't.
as for matches, wasn't that one of the reasons why Flair wanted to leave wwe - he still wanted to wrestle? and he has done so quite a bit in TNA. if he feels that his match with Shawn was his last match, is he wrestling for free? if not, what does that say about him - a man who is not giving his full effort because in his mind, he has already wrestled his last match. Flair needs to grow up a little - Nature Boy is an old man now. but he has that wwe safety net and no matter what, he will always have a place to go so he can continue to act this way. I was never a huge fan of his but i do think he is treating TNA like they need him when really, they don't.
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