Samoa Joe has been KIDNAPPED? Who is responsible?

[Ambiguous Turd]

We had another thread on what appeared to be this topic from the title, however it was actually on Samoa Joe's losing streak. A lot of posters were therefore confused.

So we'll start on on the Kidnapping angle that he partook in.

Let's take a look at the footage, for the benefit of those who haven't seen it yet, or would like a refresher:


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With that in mind, I have two parts to this.

1) Who on Earth do you think kidnapped Samoa Joe and for what reason do you speculate he was kidnapped? Someone from Joe's past or someone else who has a need for him?

2) With TNA becoming more storyline-oriented to get people more excited for its talent and to encourage more PPV buys, what is your opinion on this particular storyline angle?

Do angles like this have any place on a wrestling program, or not, in your opinion?

 

[Kliq4Life]

Well this is my opinion but if you noticed EZ-E was yellin at him before his match sayin what i think was arent SAMOANS supposed to tough (hope im right on what he said). That made me think about Samoan free agents out there, Rikishi? Matt Anoa'i? Afa Anoa'i, Jr? Im thinkin there might be a new Samoan stable gettin ready to form just some food for thought

 

[GenMe]

1) Who on Earth do you think kidnapped Samoa Joe and for what reason do you speculate he was kidnapped? Someone from Joe's past or someone else who has a need for him?

Well to tell you the truth the people who kidnapped Joe they all look fat.(Im not trying to offend not one)But honestly I havent see nobody like them on TNA's roster,The only people that are like that are the 2 security guards that kurt had hired Rocko and Sally boy.But yet againg they were like 7 of them and they all look alike.And i also think that Eric will be behind this kidnapped.

2) With TNA becoming more storyline-oriented to get people more excited for its talent and to encourage more PPV buys, what is your opinion on this particular storyline angle?

Damn i honestly dont know,I have no clue what storyline will they bring out from this kidnapped.Honestly Joe had done it all,He had kidnapped other wrestlers when he had his nations of violence Gimmick.Probably he will come back again with his Nation of Violence.Saying that Eric was his Savior

Do angles like this have any place on a wrestling program, or not, in your opinion?

I do think that this angle has a place on a wrestling program.Because this is actually what makes wrestling all the wierd ass storylines that all the wrestling companies had created.Without a storyline we really wont have a clue of wath the hell is happening.Specially this storyline that TNA is now creating with Joe.Now i really cant Wait until thrusday to see wath really happend to joe.

 

[Spicytunahandroll]

This storyline of Joe being "kidnapped" could be done well and it could be done badly. If Joe comes out of it as a bigger star with more character, then the storyline was done well no matter who the "kidnappers" are. But if Joe comes out looking weak or goofy then it was a complete waste of time.

In my opinion, I agree with a poster above that stated it could be a stable of Samoans who are going to help Joe get back to his "family roots" and be more of an "angry" Samoan. Like a modified version of the Nation Of Violence, with more of story arc to it than the Nation had. I don't think Joe will be a part of a stable, he will be on his own,but these "kidnappers" will help guide him in a direction "more true to his heritage".

Like I said if Joe comes out as a big better version of himself then it really does not matter how they get there.

 

[Alex]

Is it possible they're hired guns working for higher ups???

Someone mentioned Eric Bischoff, that's a good one as he was displeased with Joe losing. Another possibility is Ric Flair, he wants to keep the title on AJ and Joe is competition if you get rid of the competion the champ is more likely to retain

 

[phlewfy]

I think that it is a group of Samoans. According to his first book, Hogan is tight with the Samoan wrestlers and Haku (Meng) was just backstage at Impact! With Bischoff reaming Joe for not being a "tough Samoan" I think it is pretty clear that Joe is getting a lesson in how to be "tougher" from some countrymen. I like the idea if they do it right. Hopefully Joe doesn't come out looking like a stiff.

 

[SonicReducer]

I've watched the video a number of times. Here's what I think:

- the first two guys who grab Joe are The Nasty Boys

- the third guy who runs in from the right of the screen is Abyss (look at how he moves)

- the fourth guy has me stumped, but either be Mr. Anderson, Sean Morley, or Bubba The Love Sponge.

. . . I have the feeling that this angle directly involves Hogan and Easy E, and so Hogan's henchmen are the ones portraying the ... uh ... henchmen.


BTW, this is my first post on this site . . . THANK ME ! ! !

SonicReducer

 

[Greenlight13]

Looking at who ACTUALLY grabbed him is pointless because it doesn't mean it's the same people as the storyline says it is. Like I'd imagine the WWF employed a stunt driver to run over Austin or whatever, rather than actually have Rikishi do it (they clearly didn't know it was him at the time for a start).

My vote goes to Bischoff's boys. I read on the recent spoilers that Desmond Wolfe, Rhino, Jesse Neal and others are attacking people on Bischoff's behalf. They're setting the company up so that Hogan is King Face and Bischoff is King Heel and they'll each have their friends and minions and Joe being a face puts him as an enemy of Bischoff. He has a group, a group abducted Joe, simple maths.... right?

 

[xEMBRACExTOMORROWx]

Agreeing with others, I like the idea of it being a group of samoans bring Joe back to his tough as nails self.

Even though I like that idea, I'm going to have to go with Bishoff on this one. He seemed upset with Joe before his match with OJ. Bishoff could simply be doing this to throw around his power and "teach Joe a lesson" as he has been doing with Jarret, Foley, and Abyss.

I like the direction this is going. Joe has become boring and stale, which is unfortunate, but I think this storyline could bring fresh life to Joe's character. Joe is a main event level wrestler, give his character some new life, and the sky is the limit for Joe.

And I do think that storylines like this belong in wrestling. If it wasn't for storylines like this, we wouldn't have compelling TV, and all there would be is wrestling matches. No storylines and no characters = boring tv.

 

[RVDgurl]

I guess there is a small chance that this could turn out ok, however, at this moment in time I think the "Joe being kidnapped" angle is beyond stupid. Kidnapped? Really? I'm all in favor of Joe being involved in an actually storyline that has the ability to lead to a long term fued. Joe has been a cornerstone of TNA for years and deserves to be included in a major angle. But a kidnapping?!? I'm sure they could've come up with something a little better than this.

 

[Poɘt]

1) Who on Earth do you think kidnapped Samoa Joe and for what reason do you speculate he was kidnapped? Someone from Joe's past or someone else who has a need for him?

I think his kidnapping was a positive thing, so I'm gonna say it's someone Joe knows already. Because the way it happen, he wasn't attacked, he was just rushed inside the van, meaning no one wanted to hurt him, just obtain him. When I explore that I think it will lead to a reborn Samoa Joe.

Whether people want to admit this or not, what makes TNA a bit more mature than WWE is the storylines, and this Samoa Joe one is the perfect example. Since his feud started with AJ about two weeks before AAO, hints came from either the commentating or Bischoff about Joe having a temper and being hot headed. Then comes to PPV, and his temper causes him to overreact to Bischoff being distracted. Fast forward to Impact, his temper leads to him being so distracted that Orlando Jordan is able to pin him. And then the abduction.

You see how the entire thing sorta marches towards you week after week in portions. They leave it up to the viewer to put it all together so that when Joe gets abducted, there should be no reason people think it's such an unlikely scenario because it's very possible that this short fused wild samoan provoked someone who came to collect at Impact.

If the abduction wasn't to harm Joe, then the storyline also is logical from a reborn angle. Whenever someone joins a frat or some new union they are usually obtain in order to go through some process of becoming reborn.

2) With TNA becoming more storyline-oriented to get people more excited for its talent and to encourage more PPV buys, what is your opinion on this particular storyline angle?

It caught me off guard, and as a wrestling fan who's seen plenty angles that made me wish I wasn't a fan, Joe being abducted actually made me curious what it was all about and want to watch the next Impact. And shouldn't that be the goal of every segment?

At the end of the day, this is pro wrestling, and it's always suppose to feel like a live action comic book. But for some reason it seems the imagination of most wrestling fans has cease to exist. Storylines are supposed to be a bit larger than life while in the realm of possibilities. If the whole show (WWE and TNA) was just everyday things mixed with matches, then that's not really pro wrestling, since pro wrestling is more than competitive matches. Something has to lead up to those matches, something really interesting. And what's more interesting than a man with a history of violence being kidnapped?

 

[Super Crazy]

I'm going to guess that the kidnappers were the same people that were helping Bischoff attack Abyss. I think those guys were Raven, Rhino, Homicide and a few other guys. But yeah, I think it's them because Joe and Bischoff seem to have this angle going where he wants Joe back to his old dominating self.

So I'm guessing Bischoff's boys kidnapped Joe for Bischoff. While Joe is gone, Bischoff is going to brainwash Joe into being his old self and be a very pissed off heel and help Bischoff.

If it isn't Bischoff, I haven't got a clue, as who else would want Joe for anything.

 

[MoneyMack]

Im not sure where TNA is gonna go with this. All of the guys in black hoods seemed to be no bigger then Joe himself. I guess I could see it being the raven/neely group that EB was controlling. I like the idea that he was taken away by Samoans even more. I dont think for one second that it was the Nasties, Abyss, Anderson or any of the others our newcomer mentioned. Welcome- by the way. But get off your high-horse bro. That shit wont cut it around here!

Im gonna go with the idea of Ric Flair being behind it. Not cuz hes scared Joe will beat AJ, but he wants Joe to join "the group". Yes- im suggesting The Horsemen again- sorry. I also wouldnt be suprised to see EB end up being the brains behind this operation. Just like it ended up with the NWO. EB joining Flairs side of things Vs Hogan & crew

*****Heres what I noticed that was odd from the video. 3 guys in all black come from inside the van, grab Joe and jump into the back of the van with him. A forth 'man in black' appears from the left side of the screen (obviously not from inside the van). Hes wearing shorts, not pants & hes wearing white socks. This guy then closes the back doors of the van and knocks on the back windows, signaling the driver to drive. This man then makes a 180 degree turn and runs the opposite way that the van goes. Why is this? why wouldnt he get in the van too? Why wasnt he in the van to begin with? Theres no way TNA wouldnt think we would notice this '4th man in'. So that should be something else interesting to find out about too.

Maybe this 4th person, technically means nothing- im just throwin it out there, cuz thats the really odd thing that I noticed in the video. Also the 3 guys from the van were in all black- no skin showing. Then this 4th man has on shorts, white socks and brown boots. Maybe its just a coincidence- I guess. But I think TNA wanted 'us' to notice him.

Its something to get people talking & makes everyone want to 'tune in next week' to see what happens. So of course this is good for TV ratings.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

When it comes to TNA, I never can tell. They are so out of control on their storylines, you never know who it could be. Usually, I am all for a "big surprise." But with TNA, the big "shockers" never turn out well. This could definitely be a group of Samoans. This could be the Band. Or it could be Bubba the Fat Ass Sponge, Duke the Dumpster, and Val Venis. You never know with TNA. They are unpredictable...and not always in a good way.

 

[Sting's Stinger]

I believe it has nothing to do with Samoans, because the person who i believe is behind it is.....RAVEN. and heres why, Joe has forgotten about his nation of violence, and who knows violence Best in TNA...Raven. Raven hasnt been used in a while so i believe he's gonna mentor Joe and bring a more violen Joe than ever before. (PS i believe that Raven is one of the Smartest minds in Pro Wrestling)

 

[Mitch Henessey]

I think the whole Samoa Joe kidnapping is leading to him returning to the Nation Of Violence(heel). Maybe someone wanted to kidnap Joe, turn him back into a bad guy, and use him as a weapon. Another possibility is, someone could've kidnapped Joe, and brainwashed him to the point where he's just a mindless zombie, only meant carry out orders. I think that persona would be more interesting because we've already seen the evil Nation Of Violence. Either way, I think the person who would be behind all of this would be Jeff Jarrett. With Bischoff hell bent on trying to break Jarrett, and stack the odds against him, Jarrett would need an ally or weapon, and who would be better than Joe?

I don't have a problem with the kidnapping storyline. I think it's just a part of the male soap opera that is pro wrestling. There have been far more controversial angles in wrestling than this. This type of angle always provides a great aspect of mystery to a storyline.

 

[ABMorales787]

The fact that Eric was telling Joe about his "Samoan rage" before his match with Whoopie Goldberg mixed with the attack on Abyss by a Bishoff assembled group makes me think that maybe Eric want's Samoa Joe for the same purposes that Hogan want's Abyss. Abyss being turned into a "mega-face", Joe going south on the card and in need of an attitude change, what better way than to abduct him and turn him into a rampant beast. Who better than the guy who want's to boycott TNA for himself. All eyes point to a Hogan/Bishoff feud. Neither can wrestling so we need representation. Hogan has Abyss. Bishoff gets Joe.

 

[mooseman]

Since he came to TNA Taz and Joe have been thought as close friends mentor/teacher like. So I ask if your close friend is getting kidnapped and not only are you watching it your about a 15 second run to the scene wouldn't you take off to help him? Why didn't Taz? I'm thinking Taz is involved somewhere I just don't know how.

 

[IkeTurner]

I'm going to guess that the kidnappers were the same people that were helping Bischoff attack Abyss. I think those guys were Raven, Rhino, Homicide and a few other guys. But yeah, I think it's them because Joe and Bischoff seem to have this angle going where he wants Joe back to his old dominating self.

So I'm guessing Bischoff's boys kidnapped Joe for Bischoff. While Joe is gone, Bischoff is going to brainwash Joe into being his old self and be a very pissed off heel and help Bischoff.

If it isn't Bischoff, I haven't got a clue, as who else would want Joe for anything.

Well im kind of ashamed of myself for not seeing it this way. Ever since i read that Meng was backstage, I assumed it was a group of Samoan's that are going to transform him into a Samoan beast again. Now that ive seen this idea, i like it much better. Joe could head up the stable of Bischoff's henchmen. Joe, Raven, Rhino and Cide. Thats a solid stable of outcasts there. Let Joe lead them to do Bischoffs bidding. I like it.

 

[sevastra82]

Everyone seems to be getting their own "partner" in TNA. Hall/Waltman, Hogan/Abyss, Flair/Styles, Nash/Young....now, possibly Bischoff/Joe. Makes sense, considering Bischoff doesnt really have anyone shadowing him yet.

And what has been posted in this thread pretty much is my thoughts as well. Bischoff had Joe "kidnapped", in order to beat him back into a viscious heel to protect Bischoffs backside (all while re-booting/refreshing Joes character).

This is an angle I so wish Umaga was still around to be a part of...I would of loved to have Umaga be responsible for it, as it would fit perfectly storyline wise R.I.P.

 

[gd]

Who the fuck knows who kidnapped him. Without looking at any of the suggestions in the thread, I guess it could be Sting. He hasn't been seen for awhile and is a big name. Maybe he's going to feud with Joe or something, even though that wouldn't be exciting at all.

After reading through the thread, it appears the consensus is either bringing back the nation of violence yet again or having Bischoff hire a bunch of pointless guys to kidnap him for some reason, neither of which are too appealing.

Overall, I think crazy angles like this are good things. The Attitude Era was pretty good, wasn't it? However, you can't go too overboard with these types of thing or else they will fail hard (AJ's masked attacker, for example). In this particular situation, I'm a little skeptical as to what hte plan is, but I like the general idea.