Rushing wrestlers to the top

[realblackhart]

Does The WWE rush guys to the top too fast or just rush the development of the wrestlers?

I remember watching wrestling when I was a kid and wrestlers from the Hart Foundation, The Bulldogs, The Rockers were tag teams and held Tag gold for years before anybody ever thought of pushing them on their own. Then Brett, Shawn, and Davey Boy Smith were pushed for years in Midcard gold (IC/European) and held Midcard titles multiple times before they "chased" World Title gold. Stone Cold and the Rock were so huge that they didn't stay at the Midcard level for too long (i'm talking WWF Ausin not ECW or WCW). The KOR tournament helped Austin, and HHH. HHH stayed below the midcard status for a while, went to the midcard level winning IC and European Gold and the KOR. While I am far from a HHH fan, he payed his dues and worked his way to where he is. Austin payed his dues elsewhere but it took him a little bit of time to get to Legend status. His KOR win was what really did it for him/ However Goldberg, Brock Lesner, Kurt Angle, and Randy Orton flew to the top. No stints as a legit tag team (not everyone could be a tag-team I know) but not enough stints as mid-card champions for any of them. Goldberg was handed an undefeated streak ignoring his inability to work a match. Lesner was pushed way to fast because of his wrestling backround; Angle's Olympic gold gave him a pass and he surpassed mid card titles and a KOR tournament won them all and a RR.

On the other hand Edge won tag gold with Christian for the frst time of many in 2000, then IC gold in late 2001 and winning US gold in 2001 later that year. He did move fast from his multiple tag-team gold to midcard gold but he didn't win a World Title until 2006. But Cena who isn't as good a wrestler as Edge surpassed US Title Gold and straight to WWE and WHC Title Gold. But Jericho, Benoit, Guererro and Mysterio asside from their pre-WWE success still had to win tag-titles and mid-card titles before winning World Titles.

Undertaker was giving a World Title in 1991 shortly after his debut because of his stature but he didn't win his 2nd gold until 97. With the exception of Ric Flair's legendary multiple World Titles, in those days if you had 3 World Title reings in your resume that was plenty. Cena, Edge, HHH all have numerous world title reigns and are all still pretty young. Does that devalue deligitimize the title?

CM Punk is the example now of a guy moving too fast. Yes CM Punk was in the independent circuits for a while and paid some dues there but he was pushed too fast for ECW gold and then the MIB. Jack Swagger's development is one that needs to slow down.

I think the WWE is pushing guys way too fast and they should develop them either as tag team wrestlers and/or mid-card wrestlers for quite some time before giving them World Titles. The MIB is being used now the way the KOR tournament was used to build guys in the 90's (sorry Billy Gunn, Shamrock, and Mabel). If you push a guy too fast you run out of ideas for them while they are still young. If Bulldog, Owen, or Hening wrestled in this era they would have been champions multiple times. Fans now are very impatient compared to fans then. Development needs to slow down or they wont be able to continue bringing GOOD new talent to keep up with them.

 

[slayerofpanda]

well if you take the ECW title as an equivalent to a like Sunday night heat midcard title then people like Swagger and Punk aren't getting pushed as fast as some might think.

Although Punk did get pushed to the moon last year with MITB and the world title I think the rest of the year he spent on the midcard w/ tag titles and IC gold.

really if you take out his world title reign I don't think his push has been amazingly fast.


Swagger on the other hand is working the midcard right now on ECW much like Punk did for 2 years plus before going to raw


In summary, it seems like WWE's new strategy is to start talent out on ECW and from there when they get things going move them up to the real shows to fight for IC and US, then from there move to World title(Punk, Morrison, Matt Hardy).

 

[realblackhart]

I'm lookig at the ECW title (regardless of how meaningless it is now) as the World Title the WWE is technically considering it. In that case Swagger and Punk were both pushed fast. Even if you do call the ECW title a midcard title, at the time he won it, the title was in between the original WWEECW Title (RVD) and crap (Chavo Guerrero).

Don't get me wrong I like Chavo, his in ring work and ability but WCW or the WWE has never respected him or taken him seriously. He won it because of Eddie which is a shame but he should be better than what he is. A feud for the IC or US title should help him. But anyways considering the previous statement to me 2-3 years in the company is not enough to get World Title Gold. What does that say to the Brett Hart's and Randy Savages, Michael's, Sting's, Jarret's, Vader's, Jericho's, Funk's who were World Champions in the WWF/E, NWA, or WCW but were loyal to their comanies for some time before being crowned champions.

 

[klunderbunker]

I think the main thing is that there is too much televised wrestling today. With the addition of Superstars, on weeks with PPVs, you're getting 9 hours of tv per week. Considering the short attentioin span of fans today, the wrestlers have to be cycled quickly to avoid becoming stale for the fans. before when you would see a guy maybe once every 3-4 weeks, he didn't have the chance to become dull in the eyes of the fans. Now that he can be seen up to four times a week, it's hard not to get a bit bored with him. Due to this, people will be pushed forward to provide a fresh face in the main event that people won't get sick of. Eventually, and to an extent it already has, this is going to catch up to WWE and they'll be in real trouble because of it. Eventually everyone will be rushed and the midcard will suffer even more because of it. ANymore, you spend little time being seasoned in the mid card, but instead are there to get you on tv and readied to be fed to a main eventer. That won't work in the long run and you can see it beginning to fail now.

 

[nthomas504]

The WWE is pushing wrestlers really fast, but I wouldnt say its bad in every situation. Randy Orton won tha title in two years, Cena won it in 3, Batista won it in 3. Cena and Orton were well in the mid-card and experienced some major success while doing it(Cena became a 3x US Champ, while Randy became one of the longest reigning IC Champs of the last decade) When Cena won tha title, I didnt think he was ready for it, but it showed he was, while Randy won it when i believe he wasnt ready and thats why he didnt get it back til 2007. Randy is a 3x World Champ, and Cena is a 5x World Champ. Now if u compare Jack Swagger and CM Punk, Jack Swagger was a rookie and just got into the WWE for month from winning the championship, while CM Punk won it a a year and a month from his debut. Jack is slowly making his name known around all household (i.e. John Cena), and so is Punk. Punk has had more accomplishments than Swagger, but they've all back fired on him. Sure Cena has more accomplishments to his name, but its Randy Orton who is clearly better. I really dont think that its tha rushing, but who u rush.

 

[realblackhart]

I think the main thing is that there is too much televised wrestling today. With the addition of Superstars, on weeks with PPVs, you're getting 9 hours of tv per week. Considering the short attentioin span of fans today, the wrestlers have to be cycled quickly to avoid becoming stale for the fans. before when you would see a guy maybe once every 3-4 weeks, he didn't have the chance to become dull in the eyes of the fans. Now that he can be seen up to four times a week, it's hard not to get a bit bored with him. Due to this, people will be pushed forward to provide a fresh face in the main event that people won't get sick of. Eventually, and to an extent it already has, this is going to catch up to WWE and they'll be in real trouble because of it. Eventually everyone will be rushed and the midcard will suffer even more because of it. ANymore, you spend little time being seasoned in the mid card, but instead are there to get you on tv and readied to be fed to a main eventer. That won't work in the long run and you can see it beginning to fail now.

He shouldn't be seen 4 times a week. What the heck do we have branded shows for. Unless you are a champion, you should be seen nomore than twice a week. One on your respective show and maybe on Superstars, or on your respective show and then at the PPV. If you are going to have brands then theres no need to see a guy 3 times a week. There were guys who were on RAW, Superstars, and Wrestling Chalenge every week (sometimes rotated) and yet guys weren't rushed like they are now.

 

[bulldog76]

I know Vince takes a lot of heat for the booking but he is working with what he has. Right now, Vince has 3 HOFers (HHH, HBK, Taker), 5 main-eventers (Edge, Cena, Jericho, Batista, Orton and only Orton has yet to turn 30), and is packed full of mid-carders. There are a couple of guys you might want to argue is main-event status (Jeff Hardy and Kane) but they are not guys the WWE is going to consistently call their number. Now take your top 8 guys and spread them out over 2 shows. Suddenly, the company is not looking thick at the top.

They may feel the need to rush some guys to try and replinish their card. In 98, 99, 2000, and 2001 they were very top heavy. Made for a great product. When you have guys like Benoit and Jericho holding down your mid-card, you should be doing great. Jeff Hardy is very dependable in the mid-card and can be counted on for an occasional main-event or two, but the talent after that is dropping off.

I am not saying the talent isn't there, there is just a lot more development that needs to take place. Miz and Morrison could be huge fixtures for the next decade and a half but both have a lot of work to do. Christian is very durable and a good worker, but at 35 (will turn 36 later this year) is not someone to put the future of the company on. MVP is in the same boat as far as age. Punk is a little younger and incredibly popular, but his work seems to not be the most consistent.

If it seems like they are rushing they probably are. Miz, Morrison, Orton, and Hardy are still young (relative to pro-wrestling) and more than likely strong fixtures of the future of the WWE, but there could be a huge drop-off after that. I imagine Vince might be looking for someone to put his company on for more than 5 or 6 years (Austin or Rock) and looking for more stability (Hogan, Taker, Hart, Triple H). He might get it from Cena and Edge getting him to Miz, Morrison, Orton and Hardy, but the talent needs to start coming after that.

 

[Total Impact]

I like the idea of fast pushes as it something new and different to watch. I mean sometimes you can strike gold in guys like Goldberg, Kevin Nash, Undertaker, Kane, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, but can lose out with guys like Lashley and Warrior. I think that the WWE should do it more often as it gives us fresh talent. I think that if TNA had given Samoa Joe the belt when he was pushed so hard in the beginning before he jobbed to Angle then TNA would be the product to watch. Think bout how over Jericho would have been if he had won the world title in the first months of being in the WWE with his debut, instant mega star. Sometimes you have to role the dice to be a success and the WWE needs to role the dice and see what happens. Plus the best thing about wrestling, is that in wrestling fans accept faults and forget things like the fact that a b-list actor held the WCW title. Sure people talk about, but no one just rags on it chanting “David Sucks.”

So I’m all for the quick push, hell in the old days wrestlers won the title in promotions within months as it was not about paying dues or who was the best, it was about who was the hottest and can make everybody the most money. Hell Hogan won the WWWF Championship in his first months back in the company under his new gimmick and look at the world of wrestling now. This slow pushing stuff is the crap Vince created so he can keep his talent from leaving and going on to other companies with a name value.

 

[Scott Free]

In the old days, when the territories still existed, it wasn't unusual to see new people come in and get pushed to the top immediately. Becoming stale was a problem even then, so if the champ was a face, new heels would be brought in and pushed to the top immediately to feud with him, if he was a heel, new faces would come in, feuds lasted until they became stale, then the new people would leave for greener pastures. Now, there are no territories, so the WWE has a talent pool that's stagnant, they refuse to work with any other smaller organization to trade talent and would rather develop new talent or hire talent from other smaller promotions and make it their own, this kills the option of having short runs to refresh their roster. When you develop new talent, it's kind of hard to push the unproven wrestlers to the top, when you hire proven wrestlers from another promotion, the WWE has a practice to bury them initially to prove their "dominance" in the business, so we have the same people on the top all the time, stagnant and predictable. CM Punk was pushed up rather quickly true enough, but just as quickly, he was dropped back to mid-card, now after that trial run, they might consider giving him another shot, and I think this might be the way to go, a trial run to the top, see if it works, and move accordingly. Matt Hardy should get a try at main eventing next IMHO.

 

[realblackhart]

I just think guys need to stay at the mid card level longer to make it stronger and make their world title reigns more legit. For example the WWF/E had guys like Bret hart, Shawn Michaels, Savage, Steamboat, Warrior, Mr. Perfect, Texas Tornado, Ric Rude, Jake the Snake, Piper, Bulldog, Razor Ramon, Jeff Jarrett, Stone Cold, Owen Hart, HHH, The Rock, Jericho, Benoit, and Eddie in their midcard level. Not all of these became world champions in WWE, WCW, ECW, or elsewhere but they all brought life to the midcard staus. Jake the Snake, although he never won a world title, and neither did Ric Rude or Mr. Perfect but all 3 feuded very well with IC Champions or contenders. Some other ones went on to win world tiltles in the WWE or elsewhere. But they stayed in the midcard level for a while before they did.

WCW had it's own great midcarders: Steamboat, Flair, Snuka, Hening, Slaughter, Jarrett, Piper, Rhodes, Sting, Vader, Funks, Luger, DDP, and others. Some of them went on to become world champions but they were well known at the midcard status as well before they were pushed in cards for the world titles in WCW or somewhere else.

Some of these guys who become world champions remained at mid card for a while and their world title reigns are more legit to me. Guys like Hening, and some others didn't get their chance but they had legthy stints at mid card which is something we probably won' see again.

The MIB, KOR, and Royal Rumble are ideas that "can" help midcarders work their way up into the main event picture if used correctly but I think they need to deserve those spots and earn them like some of the wrestlers in the past did.

The midcard staus is what made the WWF special in those days (besides Hulk Hogan). They put the best matches on the card, and most of them were in the IC picture for years before put in the World Title picture.

 

[Total Impact]

I just think guys need to stay at the mid card level longer to make it stronger and make their world title reigns more legit. For example the WWF/E had guys like Bret hart, Shawn Michaels, Savage, Steamboat, Warrior, Mr. Perfect, Texas Tornado, Ric Rude, Jake the Snake, Piper, Bulldog, Razor Ramon, Jeff Jarrett, Stone Cold, Owen Hart, HHH, The Rock, Jericho, Benoit, and Eddie in their midcard level. Not all of these became world champions in WWE, WCW, ECW, or elsewhere but they all brought life to the midcard staus. Jake the Snake, although he never won a world title, and neither did Ric Rude or Mr. Perfect but all 3 feuded very well with IC Champions or contenders. Some other ones went on to win world tiltles in the WWE or elsewhere. But they stayed in the midcard level for a while before they did.

WCW had it's own great midcarders: Steamboat, Flair, Snuka, Hening, Slaughter, Jarrett, Piper, Rhodes, Sting, Vader, Funks, Luger, DDP, and others. Some of them went on to become world champions but they were well known at the midcard status as well before they were pushed in cards for the world titles in WCW or somewhere else.

Some of these guys who become world champions remained at mid card for a while and their world title reigns are more legit to me. Guys like Hening, and some others didn't get their chance but they had legthy stints at mid card which is something we probably won' see again.

The MIB, KOR, and Royal Rumble are ideas that "can" help midcarders work their way up into the main event picture if used correctly but I think they need to deserve those spots and earn them like some of the wrestlers in the past did.

The midcard staus is what made the WWF special in those days (besides Hulk Hogan). They put the best matches on the card, and most of them were in the IC picture for years before put in the World Title picture.

You have to remember something that back those days holding Tag Team Gold or Mid-Card gold in the WWE meant more than it did now and getting pushes to those titles happen quick and guys were considered big stars and wrestled world champions really early in their stints. Just because they didn’t win the world title doesn’t mean they weren’t pushed quick. The WWE title just wasn’t traded as often as it is now and so if you was on the card with the champion you was a star. So I just think the WWE left the practice as they don’t want wrestlers leaving the company once they are a star.

 

[realblackhart]

I like the idea of fast pushes as it something new and different to watch. I mean sometimes you can strike gold in guys like Goldberg, Kevin Nash, Undertaker, Kane, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, but can lose out with guys like Lashley and Warrior. I think that the WWE should do it more often as it gives us fresh talent. I think that if TNA had given Samoa Joe the belt when he was pushed so hard in the beginning before he jobbed to Angle then TNA would be the product to watch. Think bout how over Jericho would have been if he had won the world title in the first months of being in the WWE with his debut, instant mega star. Sometimes you have to role the dice to be a success and the WWE needs to role the dice and see what happens. Plus the best thing about wrestling, is that in wrestling fans accept faults and forget things like the fact that a b-list actor held the WCW title. Sure people talk about, but no one just rags on it chanting “David Sucks.”

So I’m all for the quick push, hell in the old days wrestlers won the title in promotions within months as it was not about paying dues or who was the best, it was about who was the hottest and can make everybody the most money. Hell Hogan won the WWWF Championship in his first months back in the company under his new gimmick and look at the world of wrestling now. This slow pushing stuff is the crap Vince created so he can keep his talent from leaving and going on to other companies with a name value.

I see where you are coming from and respectfully disagree. You move guys to fast and they could leave ala Lashley, Lesner, and Goldberg. Not only are the fans bored of them being on top out of nowhwere but they are bored of the business themselves. Goldberg to me was joke, nomore on him. I wouldn't mind seeing a guy build the IC and US titles and years later win the World Title. The IC Title has been devalued because of this particular issue; guys are moving to fast and the belt is hoping from one guy to the next.

In regards to the Jericho comment you made I would not have had a problem with Jericho getting that title the night he defeated or "didn't defeat" HHH for the title. Jericho was already an established star in WCW and wouldn't have been a surprise if he was pushed quickly in the WWF. He had paid his dues, and wrestled around the world Canada, Japan, Mexico, WCW, and ECW before he came over. Like someone else said WWF had a practice of burrying established talent from somewhere else to show their dominance. Jericho aint doing to bad for himself now tho. Even though we all know the truth about the "entertainment" aspect of wrestling, it's gotta be pretty cool to remind people at naseum that you were the first undisputed heavyweight champion.

 

[realblackhart]

You have to remember something that back those days holding Tag Team Gold or Mid-Card gold in the WWE meant more than it did now and getting pushes to those titles happen quick and guys were considered big stars and wrestled world champions really early in their stints. Just because they didn’t win the world title doesn’t mean they weren’t pushed quick. The WWE title just wasn’t traded as often as it is now and so if you was on the card with the champion you was a star. So I just think the WWE left the practice as they don’t want wrestlers leaving the company once they are a star.

I guess Im mainly focusing on the quick push between midcard-main event. I'm not to worried about the push from rookie to midcard champion, or rookie to tag-team champions even though that should be moderately paced. If a wrestler hung around for a while (with a decent gimick, not something like DJ Gabriel or The Boogeyman), maybe a year and then got midcard gold it would be ok. Then again I'm not in the WWE creative and Vince would have probably tossed me for my ancient thinking.

 

[MrT302]

I do think they push certain wrestlers such as CM Punk but others you mentioned Orton had pretty lengthy runs as both tag and IC camp before he made it too the top and even after the top.. He had a year long run as IC champ won the title as a member of Evolution that led too his axing in that group then went on too win the tag gold as Rated-RKO so im 50/50 on the whole pushing too the top because certain guys are just ment too be Main Event weather they've been in the company for a year or 10

 

[realblackhart]

I do think they push certain wrestlers such as CM Punk but others you mentioned Orton had pretty lengthy runs as both tag and IC camp before he made it too the top and even after the top.. He had a year long run as IC champ won the title as a member of Evolution that led too his axing in that group then went on too win the tag gold as Rated-RKO so im 50/50 on the whole pushing too the top because certain guys are just ment too be Main Event weather they've been in the company for a year or 10

This is true some guys you can't hold down at the IC level but the Rock and Austin really developed in their mid-card stints and then became superstars. I think what happens when you have a guy as young as orton and you push them too early, you risk them having the title 20 times before they are 40. You can't put a guy like orton bak in the midcard staus after what he is doing now. Either that or give him a lengthy title reign, and we fans get tired of that too, ala JBL. Hogan is a guy who jumped to the top but he paid his dues and worked his way up in the AWA and other places. I'm a bit attached to what some of you guys may call the boring 80s. I like watching the development of guys in the 80's early 90's, pre-attitude era and post. You don't see that with some guys now. Look at what they tried with Koslov.

 

[bulldog76]

I mean sometimes you can strike gold in guys like Goldberg, Kevin Nash, Undertaker, Kane, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, but can lose out with guys like Lashley and Warrior. Think bout how over Jericho would have been if he had won the world title in the first months of being in the WWE with his debut, instant mega star. Sometimes you have to role the dice to be a success and the WWE needs to role the dice and see what happens. Plus the best thing about wrestling, is that in wrestling fans accept faults and forget things like the fact that a b-list actor held the WCW title. Sure people talk about, but no one just rags on it chanting “David Sucks.”

So I’m all for the quick push, hell in the old days wrestlers won the title in promotions within months as it was not about paying dues or who was the best, it was about who was the hottest and can make everybody the most money. Hell Hogan won the WWWF Championship in his first months back in the company under his new gimmick and look at the world of wrestling now. This slow pushing stuff is the crap Vince created so he can keep his talent from leaving and going on to other companies with a name value.

Kevin Nash was not pushed fast. He suffered through many horrific gimmicks before he got to be Diesel. Then he went to WCW where he was a tag wrestler and understudy to Hogan before he thought about defeating Goldberg.

Speaking of Goldberg, yeah he was great for about a year. Once he lost, what happened to him. He was no longer the fixture he once was. People always ask about the monster who is pushed, loses for the first time, and then loses all momentum. Goldberg was a huge example of that in WCW. Yeah he got a lot of momentum back when he hit WWE, but he had new opponents and I don't believe he ever lost.

Much like Goldberg, Kane was only effective for a while and in short spurts.

Lesnar backfired and Punk's push was never taken seriously because he was never really pushed. They slapped the title on him when the only real accomplishment he had was winning a ladder match. Didn't beat Batista, Orton, Cena or anyone major to make him look like a real threat.

Taker is the only one you listed that turned long-term success. And he had been in the business for a while. He went through territories and suffered through WCW.

Jericho wasn't ready to main-event when he got to WWE. The WWE was top heavy and didn't need him to. The fans were into him, but weren't necessarily going to buy a ticket or a PPV to see him. There is a difference in who can make you tune in on TV for free and who can actually make you buy a ticket, sell merchandinse or PPVs. Jericho could make you tune in and maybe sell some merch but wasn't necessarily selling tickets or PPVs.

Im not addressing TNA comments because I never watch so not much I could say could hold any validity.

I don't know what "old days" you are talking about but you spent years in the business before something was given to you when I was growing up. There was a reason that when Rock won the title at 26 it was a huge deal.

As far as Hogan coming back and winning, it is a lot different to take someone from a competitive rival and letting him win; especially when he has already more than established himself for you in his first run. After what Hogan did for the better part of the first 9 WrestleManias, no one doubted his credibility for any promotion.

Keeping good talent is smart. Get mad at Vince all you want but it's smart. The Colts wont trade Manning just for a fresh face. They are going to get every bit of effectiveness out of him. Make a guy appreciate the business. Make a guy earn his stripes. Make a guy learn how to work, develop his character, and let the fans grow to truly appreciate the work someone puts in. That is why when people like Jeff Hardy, Mick Foley, Chris Benoit win, it works. People grow to have a certain level of appreciation despite whatever flaws they may have. Because if you push a guy to the moon, his flaws are much bigger than his positives and people aren't as accepting. Or if he bails shortly after, you're left with a much bigger gap in talent than what would be beneficial.

Plus the people who did get pushed early, most were ready. Rock and Lesnar (and yeah he paid some dues as a development wrestler as I remember him getting booed out of the building during a dark match before he was ever on TV) were ready. They found something about them that grabbed fans. The others were short-term bursts or backfired. WWE may have one or two people that MIGHT be ready for a serious push.

As for wrestling fans forgetting, I don't think WCW nor its title ever recovered from Arquette (sp) winning the title. People don't talk as much about it because WCW is dead. No need to complain about something that doesn't exist.

I guess Vince or whoever is running the show has to ask themselves, "Do I want to be the Florida Marlins and win big every now and then while struggling in between, or do you want to be the Atlanta Braves and be consistently good for long stretches while only coming up big once." The appeal of hitting big is great, but the appeal of being around tomorrow is in many cases much greater in the world of business.

 

[jamesland77]

One quick thought...one of the reasons Vince uses the quick push, is that it provides arguably the WWE's best moments. Wasn't Punk winning gold last year the biggest surprise of the year? or when kofi won the IC title at night of champions? it provides a great moment...

 

[Thefinkster]

the problem is that they push these talented wrestlers to the main event but there's no room for them to shine. Some of the top dogs have to know when to step down and make sure there is a future. When they do retire we are going to be stuck with a large gap in the main event scene

 

[golden miz]

I think that a wrestler either has it or needs to build it. In the case of CM Punk he established his skills for years on the indie circut. As for others who are green they need the experience, the tag and mid card golds and major fueds like orton and cena did. Riht now in the wwe the Miz has come to the point that itshis time to build up to mid card titles then sub main event. I think he is in the christan model but is more liked backstage. Another ready for bigpush is morison but hes paid his due in wwe.As for the build up its generly mid card then titles. Theirs some exception but thats usualy to build a monster, CM Punk had ecw before the WHC so he had a semi mid ard push.

 

[bulldog76]

One quick thought...one of the reasons Vince uses the quick push, is that it provides arguably the WWE's best moments. Wasn't Punk winning gold last year the biggest surprise of the year? or when kofi won the IC title at night of champions? it provides a great moment...

I agree but it shouldn't happen too often. Keep the suddeen push special by keeping it a novelty. They shock is there. Do it too often and the shock isn't there simply because we expect it.

 

[bxbigshow]

Brock caught on quick with the fans after he destryoed the Hardys. And RVD sold for him crazy at KOTR. Yeah he got a major push but once he got there he put on great matches with UT, Angle, Big Show (who gets classics out of him?). He showed he deserved to be there. I think fans nowadays are just still jaded/mad because he left.

Randy got pushed to the World Title so Vince can erase Brock as the youngest World Champ. Because he was jaded and pissed that he wanted out.

Only one now who I think got pushed too fast is Swagger, I was just learning his name when he became ECW Champ. But who there can really be the champ without pissing off someone. The ECW Title is almost as divisive as Cena...either you consider it a world/major belt, or it's a mid-card stepping stone. I think it's the latter as it advanced Matt Hardy's story a bit because he lost it.

Ranting again...my bad.

 

[Total Impact]

I hate long drawn out pushes as they make the wrestler and the company look weak. Look at the pushes of JBL, Eddie Guerrero, Some Canadian Piece of Shit I refuse to Name, Jeff Hardy, RVD, and Chris Jericho, how did that work out for the WWE? No major stars were made, no lasting names as greatest of all time with Hogan, Rock, Austin, who in some way or form was push quick to the title in WWE. My thing is the quicker the better as it brings something fresh to the product than some guy we have seen for years doing the same moves, but now doing the same moves in the last match I.E.: Jeff Hardy!