Roster Comparison#1:The Pope vs The Miz

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

I could turn it into a series if it is well received

In this series I'm going to compare a two wrestlers;one of whom will be from WWE while the other is going to be from TNA.Basically each wrestler is going to get their pros and cons listed by me.These may or may not be my own opinions but those gathered from their fans and detractors in this forum.I'll give my views at the end of it in a column headlined as The bottomline by the rattlesnake.

The first one of this series came to me via an arguement I had with KB.

With my disclaimer out of the way lets get to it

In your opinion who is better The Pope or The Miz???

Yes two guys who are on the cusp of main event status in their respective companies but not there yet.

D'Angelo Dinero

Pros

1.Unique gimmick.I havent ever seen a city preacher in wrestling.Something most wrestling stars dont have these days

2.Athletic.Has an amateur boxing background which will hold him in good stead.So far he has put on good if not exceptional matches.Can improve immensely in a few years.

3.Hasnt been in wrestling for too many years and yet he has managed quite a fan following for himself.He was a bit popular in WWE as well.

4.Good promo cutter.Good catchphrases(The Pope is Pimpin',Pimp slappin Foot tappin').Good nickname.Has natural charisma.

Cons

1.His haters say he is a copycat.He just incorporates whatever has been cool in wrestling with his gimmick.(eg:His finisher is similar to the codebreaker,giving glasses to kid at ringside)

2.Some people dont like his delivery style when it comes to promos.He says stuff like"you know what i mean"and "you know what im saying".When you are talking about public speaking these types of phrases are known as stopgaps ie used for remembering something you might have forgotten.That is not acceptable when you say a guy is a good speaker.

3.Some find his accent phony and his gimmick as a character which he has just for the sake of having a character.

4.People call him a career midcarder.

The Miz

Pros

1.People thought he was shit but as it turned out he wasnt.Thats the big thing about Miz.Has improved by leaps and bounds in every aspect.

2.People say he might be one of the best promo cutters in the business right now.Cool catchphrase.

3.Gets insanic heat and holds his own against even established names.

4.Has good matches with everyone and is "ever improving" in the ring.

5.Touted as the future of the company.

Cons

1.Gets heat only against established names like Cena,Bret Hart and Danielson(a guy liked because cole hates him).No reaction when he is up against R-Truth

2.For a guy considered to be a good promo cutter he talks about only one thing.Earlier he was disrespected by all in the locker room and now he has earned their respect.Nothing else.

3.Some people find him boring in the ring.

4.Character is not unique.Just your everyday cocky heel

5.His name and haircut are awful

The bottomline by the rattlesnake.
Firstly I'd like to say that both guys have a long way to go.niether of them is a finished product.

With that said I like the Pope a lot more than Miz.I think he is one of the top 5 promo cutters in that company and has put on good matches as well with the likes of Wolfe,Angle,Anderson and Kazarian.In WWE I liked his matches with Punk.He hasnt been in the business for long and yet captured the fans' imagination.I can see a day where he is the face of TNA.Not to say he has not had his share of hiccups.He has had the odd weak promo but his promo when he returned from injury is just a reminder of how good he is.That plus the fact that fans like him so much despite not exactly having a single major feud in TNA is just a testament to his abilities

The Miz.....uh firstly that is an awful name.The catchphrase that people find cool??Try saying that and chances are that you'll get beaten up.He gets heat only when he is up against John Cena(the face of the company),Bret Hart(a legend).Little to no reaction against R-Truth.How can that be accounted for if he is so great?? It takes a guy like Daniel Bryan to have a good match with him.Yeah.Thats what an ever improving wrestler should be like.

His promos fall flat to me too.So people didn treat you nicely at your first day at your job.Well I have a piece of advice.GROW UP AND GET RID OF YOUR CHILDHOOD ISSUES.CONSULT A PSYCHIATRIST IF NEED BE.

Its Pope all the way for me but both guys have enough fans.So it should be an interesting debate

In your opinion who is better The Pope or The Miz??? And Why???

So get rolling guys

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Ok, I'll bite.

It's The Miz, by a long shot. There is nothing remotely interesting about The Pope. I just don't get the appeal of the guy. I hate the way he talks, the way he carries himself, and I absolutely loathe his in-ring work. The Miz however is pretty entertaining to me in every aspect. Plus I like that he came from being a guy nobody thought would amount to shit, to one of the biggest players in the WWE today.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

While I appreciate that The Miz has overcome the haters and grown from being an annoying guy on a reality show into a star in WWE, I just do not like the guy. That is not because of his heel work, it is simplay because I do not find him entertaining.

I dont like his in-ring work, his look is irritating and while he is excellent at promo's, I cannot buy into him being a legitimate threat in the ring. Also, the ring name sucks.

Pope on the other hand really does entertain me. I think he has a great gimmick, I think he looks cool, has a great physique and is a excellent athlete. For some reason, while both Miz and The Pope are very charismatic, Dinero just has "IT" for me. Everything about the man makes me want to watch him do his thing on Impact!

He has the cooler entrance, the cooler gimmick, the better entrance music and is just much better in ring in my opinion. I can see why people rate The Miz, as there are far worse wrestlers out there, but I just am not a fan myself

 

[harrythem]

I'm a huge Miz fan and so I'm leaning towards him...by a hair.

Unlike Wayne Rooney, I find myself agreeing with someone from Manchester in saying that the Pope has that IT factor. He can cut a top promo and is a better worker in the ring then Miz.
Music I'd give to The Miz, because it's different. I like Pope's entrance but the first part always remind me of the Rock and, sadly, that's not a comparison many, if any, wrestler can live with.

Both are poised to move up to the main event in the near future and I think both have a cracking chance of staying there permanently but, for me, Miz wins it for me due to the greater strides he's taken in the last few years on his all-round game.

 

[Wolf Pac]

The Pope. And it's pretty simple, Miz is good but the only thing he has going for him are his promos whereas Pope has the skills both on the mic & in the ring, he's easily more entertaining to watch. As far as the cons you put for Pope.

1) OK this is true but it works for his gimmick,

2) He's black, most black people say "You know what I mean", it's just nature for him to say and he's playing someone who's supposed to be a cool black guy not a college educated guy like Shelton Benjamin, have you ever seen a cool black guy go without eubonics?

3) This is not really a con, of course his accent is phony to make his gimmick work, what's wrong with that? And if you think about it, Pope's accent is similar to how he spoke in WWE anyway.

4) Well that's not his fault, he's not the one responsible for how he's pushed, that's TNA & WWE's doing.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

The Miz and it's not even close. I honestly don't see what so many people see in The Pope. He's not awful, he's actually pretty decent, but he's a perfect example of a nobody in TNA that's been blown way out of proportion. In TNA, as long as somebody uses a swear word or says something suggestive or involving sex, then they're a superstar for some reason. I'm not all that wild about his promo style at all but I do generally like watching the guy wrestle. I definitely see Pope as a mid-carder for life and I think that's probably where he should be. He's just not nearly that special, nor has he ever done anything that's even remotely made me think otherwise.

Even if I wasn't a fan of The Miz, I honestly have to say that I've been impressed by his work ethic. Even if I downright hated the guy, I'd have to admit that he's worked hard and overcome a lot of obstacles set in his way to get as far as he's gotten thus far. I certainly don't agree with the OP that said that The Miz's mistreatment is all he talks about. He hardly ever mentions that when he cuts promos. He talks about it a lot in interviews for radio or magazines because the topic is constantly brought up by radio talk hosts and reporters. When The Miz showed up, I honestly just wanted the guy to go away. Like many, I thought he was just some reality show reject that thought he'd breeze into the WWE thinking that it was just some big joke and that he'd use to score a lot of money.

The Miz is pretty good inside the ring in my opinion. He's had very good matches with guys like John Morrison, John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Kofi Kingston, R-Truth, Randy Orton, MVP among others. Not saying he's the best in the world, but he's better than he sometimes gets credit for. If being a "good wrestler" is a spot monkey flipping around all over the place, then you can have it.

The Miz has got it on the mic and that's just the way it is. He's extremely comfortable on the mic, he does have a natural charisma about him and he's able to keep people interested in what he's doing. A big reason why Daniel Bryan has gotten the success and general attention in the WWE right now has been because of his stuff with The Miz. Sure, The Miz might be just something along the lines of a cocky heel and that's ok. Some wrestlers need gimmicks to get over and some don't.

Also, from a success stand point in wrestling, there's simply no comparing the two. The Miz is a former 2 time United States Champion that spent the last several months of 2009 and most of 2010 carrying the title. He's a multi time tag champ, including a reign during his time as United States Champion and he's the Money in the Bank winner. The Miz is heading for the main event spot and he's shown me he deserves to be there. As for the Pope, what exactly has he done in TNA? Nothing, simply put. No title reigns, no particularly memorable or meaningful feuds.

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

The Miz and it's not even close. I honestly don't see what so many people see in The Pope. He's not awful, he's actually pretty decent, but he's a perfect example of a nobody in TNA that's been blown way out of proportion. In TNA, as long as somebody uses a swear word or says something suggestive or involving sex, then they're a superstar for some reason. I'm not all that wild about his promo style at all but I do generally like watching the guy wrestle. I definitely see Pope as a mid-carder for life and I think that's probably where he should be. He's just not nearly that special, nor has he ever done anything that's even remotely made me think otherwise.

Even if I wasn't a fan of The Miz, I honestly have to say that I've been impressed by his work ethic. Even if I downright hated the guy, I'd have to admit that he's worked hard and overcome a lot of obstacles set in his way to get as far as he's gotten thus far. I certainly don't agree with the OP that said that The Miz's mistreatment is all he talks about. He hardly ever mentions that when he cuts promos. He talks about it a lot in interviews for radio or magazines because the topic is constantly brought up by radio talk hosts and reporters. When The Miz showed up, I honestly just wanted the guy to go away. Like many, I thought he was just some reality show reject that thought he'd breeze into the WWE thinking that it was just some big joke and that he'd use to score a lot of money.

The Miz is pretty good inside the ring in my opinion. He's had very good matches with guys like John Morrison, John Cena, Daniel Bryan, Kofi Kingston, R-Truth, Randy Orton, MVP among others. Not saying he's the best in the world, but he's better than he sometimes gets credit for. If being a "good wrestler" is a spot monkey flipping around all over the place, then you can have it.

The Miz has got it on the mic and that's just the way it is. He's extremely comfortable on the mic, he does have a natural charisma about him and he's able to keep people interested in what he's doing. A big reason why Daniel Bryan has gotten the success and general attention in the WWE right now has been because of his stuff with The Miz. Sure, The Miz might be just something along the lines of a cocky heel and that's ok. Some wrestlers need gimmicks to get over and some don't.

Also, from a success stand point in wrestling, there's simply no comparing the two. The Miz is a former 2 time United States Champion that spent the last several months of 2009 and most of 2010 carrying the title. He's a multi time tag champ, including a reign during his time as United States Champion and he's the Money in the Bank winner. The Miz is heading for the main event spot and he's shown me he deserves to be there. As for the Pope, what exactly has he done in TNA? Nothing, simply put. No title reigns, no particularly memorable or meaningful feuds.

Good post man.Now I agree with you that The Pope is somewhat blown out of proportion by the TNA management but isnt it the same thing that they have done with Anderson? But I think this is happening because TNA is trying to make their own superstar who can put them on the map in the business.

As far as titles and matches are concerned its really just your opinion.Yeah Miz has won more titles at this point but I think Pope would have won one or two midcard ones had he not been injured.Also he is chasing the midcard title currently.As for matches I liked his matches against Wolfe,Angle,Kaz or Anderson or AJ.They are better matches than anything Miz has had except for his matches with Bryan.

I do respect Miz's work ethic but sorry I just dont think he's good enough to be the future of the company as he is being touted.Pope on the other hand has shown me enough promise that I at least think he wont be a career midcarder.

The Pope is underrated while Miz is overrated.But thats just my opinion